asking each of you of the federal government was doing everything possible to be able to respond. he said, within the given abilities of our government, that we wear. the reason i wanted to address this, when we talk about a national testing strategy or greater coordination on personal protective equipment, what i've heard over and over again is that it's about where the responsibility is. if it's the responsibility of the federal government or of states or localities. when i talk to the people in my district, what they want to know is about capabilities. they really don't want to just see this kind of blame game between different parts of our government. the main thing they want to ask is, are we doing everything humanly possible to be able to address this crisis? is every level of government, including the federal government, doing everything they can to do this? if we are not, the american people deserve to know why. dr. fauci, i wanted to go back to you, here. just to be clear, when i ask you this, and you said that, within the capabilities, that we were,r

response at the federal level to this crisis -- with this be considered, in your mind, drawing on all your expertise, is this the gold standard of response that our federal government can do? is there nothing else you can think of, from your expertise and experience, that we could be doing or should be doing that we are not already doing? >> i think i just have to repeat what several of us said, that, within the context of what we have, what's available to us, we are doing everything we possibly can. i will just repeat what i said clearly, the thing that i am responsible for. we are doing everything that we possibly can. absolutely. >> within what you see, with your position on the task force, for instance, are you confident in the level in which we are using the defense production act to be able to bolster production? >> you know, that is something that's really out of my realm, congressman, about the extent and the implications of the

defense production act. >> what about when it comes to -- we had federally test sites that we stood up across the country, but they have been handed over to states. are you confident that was the right move? that we shouldn't be standing up more federally-backed test sites run by the federal government right now? >> i'm sorry? >> the federally-backtest sites we took dominic stood up, 41 across the country, we've been handing them over the states instead continuing in the federal government control. do you think that's the right decision? >> i don't think i can give a really good answer to that, because that's not something i can involved with. maybe you have some further information about federally funded testing sites? that's out of the purview of what i do. >> dr. redfield, do you have any thoughts on this? >> i think it's apartmen imports the chairman alluded to, to enhance and increase that capability. it is a partnership, so i think

that these were appropriate moves. i do think, when you ask if we are doing everything that we could do, there's two things i'd like to say. one, don't miss this opportunity to realize how important it is to make the investment in the core capabilities of public health for the future. because, clearly, we were handicapped when this outbreak started, and we don't need to have that happen again. secondly, i don't underestimate who ultimately is the most important in helping us beat this pandemic. that's the american public themselves. >> i get that, but i find that to be a frustrating narrative, too. certainly all individuals have to take on some responsibilities to be able to do this. but that feels like we are pushing it off to them. that the responsibilities now being being pushed the american people. for instance, as you know, we

passed legislation back in april that includes $25 billion in additional funding for testing and tracing. i am still hearing that a lot of that has been used. i'm wondering if you have knowledge of how much money hasn't been spent on this, and whether or not any part of the government is holding up access to be able to do that, so we have the capabilities and the resources to be able to increase our capabilities. >> that's important, congressman. of that $25 billion, which is a significant amount of money -- >> melissa: we have been listening to a house select subcommittee panel hearing, asking questions of the white house coronavirus task force, and they have tackled basically every subject related to the coronavirus that you can imagine. they talked about kids going back to school, they have questioned them on potential vaccine on hydroxychloroquine, all kinds of outcomes. in the meantime, this is "outnumbered," and i'm

melissa francis. here today is fox business network anchor, dagen mcdowell. host of "kennedy" on the fox business network, kennedy herself. the executive director of serve america pac and fox news contributor, marie harf. joining us today, senior editor for "the federalist," chris bedford. also with us right now is dr. marc siegel. i want to start with you, dr. siegel, because we heard a clarification here on a lot of different grounds that we have covered before, including a lot of questioning about the health benefits of sending kids back to school versus the health risks. we've talked about those peer-reviewed studies on hydroxychloroquine, and why dr. fauci doesn't necessarily think that is the equivalent of a real study into it. have you heard anything in this hearing that you haven't heard before, though? that you consider truly new and unique? >> dr. siegel: i found several things very useful and unique. first of all, dr. fauci

explained for the first time why he feels that he is so optimistic about operation warp speed and these vaccines. he compared it to the hiv attempts at making a vaccine, and he said this time we are seeing a very robust response. a very strong immune response. you can almost feel his excitement about this. he's a very cautious individual. several vaccine candidates are emerging, so i think he really put an exclamation point on that, melissa. the second thing that came across during the hearing, both from admiral giroir and also robert redfield and fauci is this issue that testing won't help us unless we get the results back much more quickly, which is not happening. that is still not happening, and it's a huge frustration across the board. schools, the default for schools is to reopen them because of all the collateral damage if they remain closed. everyone there seemed to be thinking, "let's still try to open the schools." finally, all agree that masking across the board, social

distancing, and decreasing crowds, all of this, closing bars, all of this should decrease dramatically in a decreasing the spread. jim jordan was really vocal on the idea that you cannot exclude protests from this. he was trying to get an answer f dr. fauci on this. dr. fauci said repeatedly, if you're in a crowd, indoor worse than outdoor, if you are in a crowd, you are risking spreading this virus. >> melissa: i also thought it was interesting when he took a question about what happens if a country that we are not necessarily so friendly with, like russia or china, comes up with a vaccine first. his answer to that, i thought, was so fascinating. he said, first of all, he doesn't think it's likely, given the tremendously fast track we are on here. but he also says he hopes that they would do the requisite testing on the vaccine before they gave it out. that is something we value here in america. he sort of implied, in my mind

-- and i'm looking to you for more guidance on this -- but he sort of implied that, if they announce early, "we've got the vaccine," that he casts a lot of doubt on whether or not it's been properly tested or if they are just using people as guinea pigs who volunteer to have the vaccine. did you hear that exchange? what were your thoughts on it? >> dr. siegel: i heard that, melissa. i'm really glad you brought that up. i thought it was shocking. i think he is talking specifically about russia, that they are claiming they are on the verge of releasing a vaccine without the specific amount of testing we are doing here in the united states. china has been testing several vaccines, but they have been testing them around the world. i think you got from dr. fauci that he thinks we are at least at the same rate of speed or ahead of russia and china in terms of our vaccine program, and the way we've incorporated other countries, including germany and the united kingdom, into the process, here. i don't think he's worried about them getting ahead of us. but that is a huge exclamation

point there. do not trust a vaccine that didn't go through the requisite science. we are not compromising our science to get to a vaccine. >> dagen: dr. siegel, it's dagen mcdowell. just a couple things, i will point out that, as part of operation warp speed, the government has allocated just this morning to $.1 billion to 1 million doses of that virus. that's on the heels of commitment like the nearly $2 billion to pfizer for 100 million doses. in terms of that, how quickly can this vaccine, one, get out into individuals once they pass regulatory approval, but also in terms of getting back to school? the democrats seem to be hung up on asking dr. fauci if children were "largely immune," trying to stick that on president trump. but what is the likelihood that children get this virus, and also, how easily they transfer it to adults?

that is something that he didn't really go down that road easily. >> dr. siegel: dagen, two points. first, in terms of the vaccine itself, you are right. the key message is we are making this vaccine even in advance of the science. when the sciences there, we are going to have 100 million doses in each case. the part that wasn't emphasized enough is that the department of defense is going to get the military out there to work with the cdc to get it widely distributed around the country. that was mentioned, but that's going to be a key factor. in terms of schools, i think that you are right about this. i think the issue with schools is that young children have been shown in studies around the world to be less likely to spread it in the school setting if the proper precautions are taken. and they may very well be spreading at home if they are not at school. though studies have not shown an increased risk of spreading it at schools. i think that is one of the reasons that everyone seemed to be on board with moving forward in getting the schools reopened.

>> kennedy: dr. siegel, it's kennedy. i have a quick question about major league baseball, because we are seeing on certain teams that iris is spreading so quickly with relatively healthy adults. is the virus changing somehow? are we seeing greater spread with less lethality? how do you explain how the conflagration within sports teams? >> dr. siegel: kennedy, that's a great question. we are looking at the virus right now to see if it's mutating. there's nothing definite on that. in florida, we are seeing a lot more mild cases then we saw in new york. one of the reasons as younger people are getting it. i think the problem with major league baseball as they haven't gone to a hub or a bubble type approach the way the nba and the nhl have done. what do i mean by that? the miami marlins are in a hot spot, and they are busy traveling to atlanta, they are traveling to philadelphia, they

have equipment bags, they are going on buses, on planes. the ability to spread it that way, and then, of course, what is happening when they are training? are they close together? are they wearing masks? i think they need to look at, with major league baseball, what's hot spot and what's not, and what precautions can be taken. maybe games should be played in miami, but maybe they can be played in certain areas where there isn't a lot of the virus. >> melissa: dr. marc siegel, thank you so much for clarifying all that information. we really got a lot out of that panel. thank you. now on to a fox news alert. president trump meeting with leaders of the national association of police organizations, where he is weighing in on the violence in portland, oregon. this comes a day after he, again, called on state and local officials there to root out those involved in violent protests. >> they are working today, and probably tomorrow, to clean out

this beehive of terrorists. if they do it, i'm going to be very happy. and then, slowly, we can start to leave the city. if they don't do it, we'll be sending in the national guard. >> melissa: oregon state troopers yesterday began guarding portland's federal courthouse, which protesters have attacked over the past two months of nightly demonstrations. this, after the governor and homeland security reached a deal for federal agents to leave town. though acting homeland security secretary, chad wolf, says they won't go until they are not needed. in the meantime, portland police uncovering a sledgehammer, pipe, and other weapons, as well as body armor, shields, and leaf blowers during clean up a new protest sites. let's bring in william la jeunesse, who is live in portland with the latest. william? >> melissa, things are radically different. the violence might be over, but

the protests, likely not. we saw four things last night we've not seen in the past. number one, the protesters kind of police themselves. number two, some black men and women positioned themselves between the courthouse fence and those who would otherwise climate or set fires. he saw no tear gas or pepper spray at all last night. federal agents, local police, and state troopers were nowhere to be seen. speakers made a deliberate effort to keep the crowd away from the building and urge people to remain nonviolent. >> what we saw overnight is almost little to no criminal activity, and that really is how it should be. it reinforces the principle, if you work with federal, state, and local law enforcement, work together, we can protect our communities. >> the mayor, of course, claims that basically the feds' presence provoked to the violence and the tactics elevated it. chad wolf says that's not true, that the portland protests were violent long before they were

here. it points out that wheeler gas and pepper sprayed own people. the ap did some analysis of the people who have been arrested. 95% are local, age 28 on average, exclusively, almost, white. they clean up the park yesterday, that made a big difference. basically, the july statistics were the deadliest on record for the month in the last 30 years. shootings doubled over last year, and assaults, burglaries, and vandalism is up. of course, president trump has been rather critical of portland and its problems here, melissa. as to the timetable of when the feds leave, they say they will only when they are sure that the court house is safe back to you. >> melissa: william la jeunesse, thank you so much for that. we will bring it out to the couch. chris bedford, let me ask you, there was a great opinion piece in "the wall street journal" today saying that local and state officials in these areas, and especially in oregon, have just now figured out that maybe

all of this violence isn't so popular with the larger part of the population in those areas. what are your thoughts? >> chris: i think they got the polling back at, and that pushed some of the politicians who were afraid of the mob and thought it would hurt the president more to actually come in there and try to defend those downtown blocks. because this is not broader portland, but it is an important part of portland that's under attack, here. mark hemingway had a great piece just now, published in real clear politics. he was a former portland resident, who said, "this is a year's worth old problem in that city." and he felt threatened and got the rose parade canceled three years ago the violence that said, if they didn't get their way -- they were in the mayor, they control the downtown. they wanted to send the police, like they should've done months ago, and we should have skipped this entire thing. this fort sumter logic that you can attack federal officers and call them occupiers when they are in your city. >> melissa: marie, princeton political scientist, omar

owosso, suggested these incidents could actually backfire on democrats. and maybe the political backlash of folks that don't want to see this kind of lawlessness could end up helping president trump. are democrats worried that that is possibly the case? >> marie: well, that is certainly what president trump hopes. that's why he is focusing on what is happening in a very small radius of a city that is overwhelmingly peaceful. we haven't seen that borne out yet and the response. we've seen independents, democrats, even many republicans really take issue with the way president trump has sent in federal officers in a very heavy-handed way, and we have seen reporters gassed, arrested, peaceful protesters with guns pointed in their face. what we saw last night, melissa, was a real case study in de-escalation. when the state troops, when the state officers took over guarding the courthouse and did not use those federal tactics that have been so violent and so

aggressive against protesters, the protests were peaceful. that is how you de-escalate. the federal troops that president trump sent in, i think actually he wanted to escalate so he could use it politically and make campaign ads out of it. last night we saw how you de-escalate the situation's, and that is what cities should look to for a model. >> melissa: kennedy, that is quite a charge, mary saying the president wanted to escalate and cause violence around this courthouse. that that was his goal, that's what he set out to do. that is quite a charge. what do you think? >> kennedy: i hope that's not true. i hope that the president, for political gain, wouldn't put businesses and individuals in jeopardy in a beautiful city in order to win reelection. he doesn't have to do that, because people have been protesting, which then turns into riots and looting and violence, for over 60 days now. if these de-escalation tactics were at the hands of local and state law enforcement, in

multnomah county and the oregon state troopers, why didn't they use them two months ago? if de-escalation were so readily available to them, then use that before the protesters started targeting the federal courthouse. i think that's great. i think it's wonderful to be able to separate protesters from violent antifa members, and a lot of them do live in portland. it's one of the magnet cities for the antifascists. >> melissa: dagen, was everything hunky-dory in portland last night? >> dagen: i know things weren't hunky-dory starting in late may, that this violence escalated under the watch and inaction and fecklessness of the democratic leader in the city, and in the state. "the new york post" wrote this, "the violence really started no later than right night, may 29th, when the mayor there, wheeler, spoke openly about

watching his city get destroyed. and then the nightly assaults picked up steam weekend of jul of july 4th, the anarchists added commercial grade fireworks, setting a light plywood, you name it. it wasn't until the week of juln sent additional forces to portland." so i don't know what the left is talking about, but the american people want protection. they expect that from their local leaders, and, quite frankly, that is what they are not getting in democratic citi cities. >> melissa: all right. any moment we will have remarks from president trump at the white house. he is weighing in on the recent violence in portland, and his decision to send federal officers. those remarks for you, just as soon as we get them. we'll be right back. ♪ ty mutual. they get that no two people are alike and customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. what do you think?

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>> i just feel -- i don't want to delay. i want to have the election. but i also don't want to have to wait for three months and then find out that the ballots are all missing and the election doesn't mean anything. >> melissa: president trump doubling down on his warnings that mail-in voting is ripe for fraud after top republicans joined democrats in pushing back on his tweet yesterday suggesting the election may need to be delayed. white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany last hour sailing dominic ss important to guard the integrity of the filling dominic voting process. >> this white house is focused on making sure that our election is not riddled with voting fraud, and that the timetable is not hung up here. we are -- there are several lawsuits the campaign is engaged

in. >> melissa: meanwhile, former president obama taking a not so veiled shot at president trump during his eulogy for congressman john lewis yesterday, warning that voting rights are now in danger. >> there are those in power who are doing their darndest to discourage people from voting, by closing polling locations and targeting minorities and students with restrictive i.d. laws, and attacking our voting rights with surgical precision. even undermined the postal service in the run-up to an election. it's going to be dependent on mail-in ballots so people don't get sick. >> melissa: chris, i don't know about undermining the postal service. they do enough of that on their own. case in point, in my district, 40,000 people voted in person. 65,000 people voted by mail.

because my governor didn't have the foresight to realize that, if you did prepaid postage, they weren't going to postmark those votes. we have no idea how many of those 65,000 made the deadline, and how many didn't. so, we will never know now, as to democrats -- there's not a republican site anywhere -- as two democrats now fight over who my representative is supposed to be. we will never know who actually won. that's democrats, that's the postal service, and that's the governor, all screwing this up. do you want to see this on a national level, chris? >> chris: is the plan right now to blame donald trump for the postal service groups? i don't think americans remember three years ago are going to buy that. this is the next impeachment craze donald trump was concerned about, election security. can you imagine something that would be more dangerous and destabilizing to our country? it was reproduced on a national

level. people didn't even know who -- they didn't know if the vote was counted. cities weren't able to tabulate it. states weren't able to tabulate it. that would be the kind of disaster and next level attack to our democracy. the president worried about an obvious problem with election security is not a danger to the republic. by the way, this isn't entirely up to congress, if the election is going to be delayed. they are keeping kids home from school, keeping people in their homes, shutting down businesses. people are losing their jobs. of course this is going to be a difficult, difficult obstacle for the country to get to. >> melissa: marie, what do you think about the fact we will never know who won my district? >> marie: this is really complicated, and this is why democrats in congress have said we need, right now, to dedicate money in the newest release bill to get this right in november. let's be clear, donald trump does not care about election security. if he did, he would support any number of the bills that deal with preventing foreign interference in this election,

or he would support efforts in congress to get money to actually do mail-in ballots better. he cares about being embarrassed and losing. he knows that he can't push this election back. he just wants to sow doubt. he wants to sow doubt among his supporters and people that, when he loses, which, right now in the polls, looks like what will happen, that it somehow wasn't legitimate. he yesterday lost the head of "the federalist" society, one of those conservative groups in washington, d.c., he wrote an op-ed yesterday saying that, because of president trump's tweet about delaying the election, he should be re-impeached and removed from office. when you lose the head of "the federalist society --" spew when you can't filibuster whole segment that's exactly how we got into so much trouble here in my district, because our governor decided to make it postage paid. he spent more money. that's exactly where the problem came from.

>> dagen: everybody can start by moving up the deadline for the mail-in ballots, so they can be counted before election day. so we will have results on election day. president trump put a marker in the sand of, yes, we are going to the polls the first tuesday after the first monday in november. in terms of the federalist society, or anybody who follows the tweet with the three question marks in it, that's a bowl of catnip he threw into the grass for all the cool cats and kittens to chase. the fact that we are still doing this over and over and over again is high comedy. >> melissa: my humble theory is he wanted all democrats on the record screaming, "no, we should not delay this election." he wanted them on the record saying that. we will see why later. that's my theory. president trump -- >> kennedy: stop throwing catnip! >> melissa: the national

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>> melissa: the clock is ticking and u.s. lawmakers remained deadlocked in the new stimulus package, with the $600 a week in enhanced unemployment benefits past in the carrier's act in march, expiring tonight. white house chief of staff mark meadows and treasury secretary steve mnuchin offering to extend that extra $600 per week for four months as a stand-alone bill. a massive concession by the trump administration, which has been looking to trim that numb number. >> the democrats are certainly willing today to allow some of the american citizens who are struggling the most under this

pandemic to go unprotected, and the president has been very clear for us to be aggressive and forward-leaning, to make sure they get protected. and yet, what we are seeing is politics as usual from democrats up on capitol hill. >> melissa: house speaker nancy pelosi and senate minority leader chuck schumer rejecting the offer, arguing the extra $600 should last through the first quarter of 2021. kennedy, what do you think about that? they offered to extend it as a stand-alone item. democrats saying no. >> kennedy: and a lot of people who shouldn't qualify for the money are going to qualify for the money. there's going to be a lot of corruption and people applying for the money you shouldn't get it. because the program is being taken advantage of by so many people, it will be impossible to weed out those who shouldn't have it.

though, my question for chuck and nancy is, that's fine, it's good to help people, it's good to want to keep businesses afloat, but if you are going to continue this program almost indefinitely, how are you going to pay for it? you're either going to have to raise taxes or cut spending. democrats would love to raise taxes, but unfortunately there's not enough tax revenue coming in right now to support multitrillion dollar programs, and we haven't even talked about medicare for all yet. >> melissa: chris, rejecting this might backfire on the democrats. not only because they look heartless letting it run out rather than doing the extension, but people may actually go back to work, and the economy make it better as a result. >> i sure hope people get back to work soon. i got off the phone with the front of my new has a restaurant in d.c., said it's more expensive for him to be open right now with all the restrictions than to just remain closed. he wants to give his employees on staff. restaurants and my parents town

in cape cod can't even hire waiters because it's typically paying better to stay home then it is to come home and put yourself at risk to come to wo work. if you're making less than $40,000 a year, in april or may you had almost a 50% chance, a 40% chance, of losing her job. everybody's watching because either they lost their job or their friends or neighbors or children or parents have lost their jobs. this is no time to submit your christmas wish list like nancy pelosi is doing and say, "i want all of these things in order to help this." at the end of the day, it'll go down to such an example of unbelievable hubris that we could print money and print our way out of this while the entire economy just shuts down. people need to get back to work, and need to not be run by fear. >> melissa: marie, was it a tactical mistake to turn down that extension from republicans and say it wasn't good enough and let those benefits run out?

>> democrats passed a bill in may that would have addressed this issue. in may. that was months ago. the republican led senate refused to negotiate on it until the very last minute. they gave your proposal today. mitch mcconnell sent his republican-led senate home for the weekend last night. there's not even anyone in the senate to vote on this "newest proposal" that republicans came up with at the very last minute. so, why haven't they been negotiating with democrats since may? what have they been doing? why hasn't the white house on the senate come up with a proposal that they could counter with in terms of the democratic proposal that they passed? sure, they gave us something today. the republicans aren't even in town to vote on it. we passed something in may. the idea that it's the democrats' fault that republicans come at the 23rd hour, decided people actually going to lose their benefits, decided to come to the table with a half-hearted response that no one is even in town to vote on, is really hypocritical

on the republicans' part. >> melissa: dagen, is that what people will remember or when their benefits run out, will they remember may or be thinking about that proposal that republicans made to keep them on this program that democrats just rejected? >> dagen: if somebody's $600 per week runs out and they needed to feed their family, they will hate them all, whether they are right, left, or center. marie is right, the republicans knew this benefit was going to expire at the end of july. where were they in june? where were they earlier this month? i think that the democrats on this have handed the backsides of republicans to them, quite frankly. they are going to need to extend the $600 per week because, if you reduce it at this point, it becomes very complicated and time-consuming for the states to implement a different benefits. in terms of getting people back to work, many economists find that it is not preventing people from going back to work. quite frankly, if the businesses

are out there and they are trying to call back in place, and employees are saying, "we are not coming back, because we are getting $600 per week," they can report them to the state unemployment offices. if you get called back by your boss, you have got to go. the people most angry about this are the front-line workers, the essential workers who have been putting their lives and their health on the line and getting paid less then the people sitting at home and unemployment. we have to talk to them more, and maybe they need to get raises from their bosses. >> melissa: i would just say that those bosses have said that, as they call into social security to support those employees report those employees, not a lot of people t social security picking up right now. it's a little bit harder to report those employees it won't come back. >> dagen: you have to try. i know a lot of people have not tried. >> melissa: okay. we await remarks from the president meeting with leadership of the national association of police organization. the president is talking about

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>> melissa: president trump's reelection team taking a brief pause and running tv ads for a strategy review with 95 days to go until the election. the campaign has vastly outspent democratic challenger joe biden to run tv and digital commercials. the trump team, referring to the recent replacement of brad brad parscale's campaign manager, telling fox news, "with the leadership change in the campaign, there's understandably a review and fine-tuning of the strategy." "we will be back on the air shortly exposing joe biden as a puppet of the radical left wing. "biden's running spots in key battleground states that president won in 2016, and saying spots are going up in

ohio which the president also won in 2016 and we recent polls show very close contest. kennedy, i will start with you. do you think it's a good idea to take a positive reset? >> kennedy: i guess better now than the second to last week in october. [laughter] so much happens between now and november, people who hate the president are still going to hate the president. people who are wary of joe biden are still going to be wary of joe biden. i don't even know if people get their opinions and information from campaign ads like they used to. if you remember really, with hillary clinton -- what happened? it she outspent then candidate trump two to one in 2016. last i checked, she is still not the occupant of the white house. >> melissa: chris, what do you think? we are still a lifetime away from this election, amazingly. >> chris: and there is a split going on here, where the democrats and joe biden

basically have television ads running all day on a lot of the news networks in this country, just in the form of their programming, but pretending the candidate is campaigning when everybody knows joe biden is not even campaigning right now. he's at home. donald trump, on the other hand, is severely handicapped. he's a campaign person, a rally person. he gets out and gets people excited. he can't do that anymore. he doesn't have the media on his side at all. what's he got? on the as is his television ads. it's important to get those tight, otherwise we end up with two completed revisions. one donald trump's and one joe biden's, deciding what's going on in our country. >> melissa: yeah. dagen, what do you think? was it time to pause and reset with the campaign? >> dagen: you've got a new blood coming in, you're going to have new ideas. i'm going to tee up something marie has talked about before, the trump campaign has yet to really figure out how to define and attack joe biden.

instead, what are they going to run ads about? bernie sanders, because he put out that manifesto and that is part of the left left wing of the party? the best ads will be cut after the debates. trust me on this. there are going to be so many foul ups, and so many foibles, and trips, and stumbles during those debates. it's going to be an ad extravaganza in september and october. >> melissa: i think you're right on that point. we also just want to reinforce from that last segment, when republicans offered that extension, it wasn't for four months. i think we said that in the introduction, those were early reports, but it wasn't four months. thanks for the whole panel here, we are still awaiting those remarks from the president at the white house. we will have that for you shortly. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪

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>> melissa: we are awaiting remarks from the president at the white house, where he is talking to the national association of police organizations. we understand answered questions about the crime that is going on right now, and also about election security. we are about a minute away from that. we'll bring it to you as soon as it begins.

while we are waiting, chris, let me quickly ask you, it's been interesting to watch the president try and pick off different constituency groups that were traditionally democrats to try and put together a coalition like he did last time. one of those groups has been police and police unions, law enforcement, who had endorsed president obama and former vice president joe biden. what do you think of that strategy, and are there enough groups like that to make a difference? >> it reminds me of bill buckley's run for mayor of new york back in the '60s, trying to pull together working class police officer, first responder coalitions of people who were sick and tired of complete insanity. i've been really surprised to see how many things democrats were willing to cede to donald trump and say, "that's your issue." "are parties against "the star-spangled banner," against law and order, against police and first responders." that seems like political malpractice. if the president come come out

and say they are attack, being abandoned by the mayors and city councils and the citizens' physl safety is threatened. in orchestrating new york is frightening. i think donald trump can turn that around and it's important that he does come if you care about those issues. >> melissa: we only have 30 seconds. marie, do you want to respond real quick? >> marie: in every election since trump has won the white house, democrats have expanded the places they compete in the voters they went over. in the suburbs, white working-class voters, they've all come back to democrats during the trump administration. i think the president has the bully pulpit. we are about to see that. to kris' early point about his ads, he has the white house on the part of the presidency. how he chooses to use that in these next few months, melissa, will be very interesting. >> melissa: absolutely. we are keeping an eye on the president for you. we will have more "outnumbered" in just a moment.

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>> melissa: thank you to everyone on our couch today, and everybody at home on their couch watching us. we appreciate it. have a great weekend. now, he was julie banderas in today for harris faulkner. ♪ >> we are awaiting remarks and president trump as he meets with leaders of the white house, the president unleashing on protesters and democratic leaders in portland, oregon. this is "outnumbered overtime." good afternoon to you. i'm julie banderas and for harris faulkner today. president trump's meeting coming just one day after he threatened to send the national guard to portland if local officials there don't and violent protests at the federal courthouse. the president also hitting joe biden, accusing him of cowering to the radical left and wanting to cut police funding. chief white house correspondent

john roberts joins us now. john, first o