thank you so much for waving and we will see you back here tomorrow. ♪ ♪ >> well america mark levin this is life, liberty and levenn a huge subject we're going to discuss tonight for the full hour, a huge subject. the democrat party is not really a national party. what the democrat party does is breaksss down the country by ra, by religion, by sex, by what kind of sex you like, by geography and old fdr method to cobble together various community ands physical distinction and economic distinction and the build a

majority that way and you can see democrats have never stopped and joe biden it doing this in a big way. they're targeting the suburbs of america. they're targeting the suburbs of america they talk about the white women in the suburbs with college degrees and they feel like they're going win that vote and if they win that vote they're going to win the presidency. how do i know that because i read it in the newspaper and everything in the newspaper must be true. but it is true. and so they feel that this is the week under belly of the trump campaign so i want to focus on m this for a moment. and i want to start this way. the suburbs today are not the half a century ago. the suburbs today whether you read analysis by cbs news in 2016 that look to 2010 and said suburbs are 35% minority. or whether you look at the atlantic which says that 52% of theha black community actually lives in the suburbs and not the inner city.

suburbs are far more diverse than the cities if they're very diverse. but they're being targeted. being targeted for what, federalized centralized, government control by the left. and it really started under obama and that's why this is a very, very important topic for people who live in suburbs people who want to live in suburbs and people who don't live in the suburbs but care about the nature of their country. and so i'm bringing best expert to talk about this stanley kurts senior fellowir at the ethics public policy center contradicting national editor he said wonderful articles about this. author of spreading the wealth, stanley how arere you, sir? >> i'm great mark thanks so much for having me. mark: it is a pleasure so let's start at the beginning. what is it that a federal government did to ensure that the civil rights, and equality would exist in housing. all across the country. >> well, mark, the federal government during the civil

rights era has been fair housing act of 1968. and rightly, the fair housing act prevents discrimination and housing, so if people come to home or to rent an apartment, they should be treated t in the same way regardless of race, regardless of ethnicity if grants regardless of national origin that is the law, and it should be the law. and under democrat and republican administrations and forces that law. mark: so this seems morally correct under every circumstance. it seems like something that has been in place a very long time. seems to be working pretty well. but then obama becomes president of the united states. and what does obama do with that 1968 w statute? >> well obama represents a segment of the democratic party

and increasingly influential segment that really doesn't think well of the suburbs, of course, as you mentioned they want suburban votes. what they're a little less eager to have understood is that they -- they consider suburbs themselves in some ways fundamentally unjust why? because people move out to suburbs they take their tax money with them and that is viewed by obama and many other democrats as a way of selfishly keeping your money from less well off people in the cities. so the obama administration riding on some language in the original fair housing act that did not have all of the meanings he gave to it, created a really massive rule called affirmatively furthering fair housing. now there was a brief mention of affirmatively furthering fair housing in the original fair

housing act. but all it really meant at the time was, that the secretary of housing and urban development should take positive steps to make sure that people didn't discriminate in housing between people of different races or ethnicities, et cetera as we said before. but obama took that brief mention and created out of it a transformative rule. a little bit like obama care in that it's the massive rule that does a great many things. and you have to keep delving and delving, and the bottom line is that affh, the affirmatively furthering fair housing would radically undercut the political and economic independence of america's suburb it would allow bureaucrats in washington in the department of housing and urban development to control zoning laws.

to control the placement of transportation, and business district, even to some degree that drawing of school districts. in other words, almost every important local governmental responsibility could under affh fall into the de facto control of the feds. mark:l so effectively in crucial rpghts in the people who live in the communities and people who want to live in these communities, the federal government would nationalize federalize decisions respecting the economy -- schooling, law enforcement, housing, zoning, commercial activity, transportation hubs, have i missed something? >> you probably have, mark. i probably missed something because there's so many things in the affh regulation. it's hard to keep track. for example, i'll give you just one example of something we both missed, quote, unquote -- the affh will allow the feds to

push local governments into regional governorring. now what does that bit of gobbledygook mean? it means it will try to create a layer of government in between the federal government and local government a layer of government in the correspondents to your greater metropolitan area. so if you are in say, montgomery, county outside of philadelphia it will try to remove your governing spent hand them over to greater metropolitan area philadelphia area to end up taking a chunk of your tax money. sore there's a lot in affh. >> i suspect they're going to need to keep a lot of data on what's going on with schools, where houses are built who lives in these houses what kind of houses are, built, what kind of density you have in a particular area. and on and on and on, and on and

these federal bureaucrats are going to be doing it out of the had you had building opposed to people in the communities going to their zoning boards, going to their commissioners going their city councils. is that correct? >> that's absolutely correct, mark, and here's how it really will work.ct the feds will provide some basic census data to the localities that apply for various grants from the federal government. but really then they will force your locality your county or your municipality to fill out a very detailed demographic form. and you're going to have to list where everyone in your jurisdiction lives according to their economic status, according to race, according to ethnicity if they're immigrants according to national origin according to english language proficiency, according to handicap sat status are, and i could go on

and i will go on and explain how that will then be used by the feds. but one crucial thing you need to know is, when you fill out that form, if you check the wrong boxes, you could be opening yourself up to a lawsuit as locality. and that would have tremendous negative effects and we've already seen a kind of run through of this in westchester county in new york state which the obama administration used as a kind of dry run for its affh rule. so if you are sued, that would give the feds an additional lever say to force you to go into a regional governmental con to remove the zoning to force you to spend tens even hundreds of millions of dollars on high density low income housing. there's almost nothing they can't do once they scare you into a lawsuit and if you fill

out that form the wrong way, you are really opening yourself up to a suit. mark: i want to talk about westchester county new york in next segment to audience understands thisma is a real wod not theoretical or abstract. this is not of the possible. this is of reality. and i want to talk about what joe biden intengdz to intends to about it now president trump comes into offings and secretary of hud, and you have this obama regulation out there. what have hay done with this regulation? >> well the good news there's a lot of good news actually from the beginning, secretary carson and president trump suspended the enforcement of affh. but theyy didn't actually end te rule. they didn't pull it away and there was a lot of hemming and hawing about what should actually be done.th but very recently, president trump with the help of secretary

of carson have in a very powerful andhe effective way put an end to affh as it was created under the obama/biden administration, and this is reallyte a tremendous accomplishment because we often have what we call in government the ratchet effect ratchet only goes one way. either stops or it moves in one direction. and people say that the federal government often is under a ratchet meaning only gets better or maybe if a republican gets in, it stays about the same. but it never actually shrinks and this is a case where president trump with the help of secretary carson have actually countered ratchet effect not only have they peeled back virtually the entirety of the obama biden affh rule this radical overreaching rule, but they've even peeled back some layers thatov have accumulated over the original law which

weren't really about what was in the law even before the obama biden affh. so this is brilliant stroke on the part of trump administration. it's a courageous act that sets up a radical dichotomy between what biden is going to offer the suburbs r which is affh turbo charge, so to speak, and we can explain turbo charging later on the one hand, and president trump on the other hand is saying to the suburbs, oh, no. i'm not geng to mess with your fundamental freedoms. joe biden is and there's going to be a choice like night and day. mark: when we come back that's exactly what i want to focus in on. i think people need thiewns this election really is so crucial. it is not about theory, it's not about policy that affects somebody else. but left iss very, very serious about fundamental changing america and that means pool system, police departments,

zoning, and the only way they can do it is to nationalize these local decisions. of course, when it comes to rioting in streets and mayors, supporting it or closing their eyes to it all of a sudden they're federalists but when it comes to everything else, let's not fool ourselves. they're iron fisted central government promoters and this is very important. they're targeting the suburbs for votes and suburbs need to understand that they're also opinion to target them for control. we'll beot right back. we made usaa insurance for veterans like liz and mike. an army family who is always at the ready. so when they got a little surprise... two!? ...they didn't panic. they got a bigger car for their soon-to-be-bigger family. after shopping around for insurance, they called usaa - who helped find the right coverage for them and even some much-needed savings. that was the easy part. usaa insurance is made the way liz and mike need it- easy.

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mark: welcome back stanley kurts, the suburbs, the target of the democrat answer by target, i mean, the target for destruction, and the democrats have kind of showed some ankle trying to cover it up as biden wants to get as many votes out of the suburbs particularly ring major cities in this country's possible because he views that is the way to victory. stanley kurts, give us the full foundation of what it is that obama/biden were trying to do. >> absolutely, mark. well you remember before i mentioned that any locality that applies for federal housing grant is going of to fell out an

elaborate demographic form you've got to explain where everyone o lives. and in your jurisdiction by income, by race ethnicity, et cetera, et cetera. that's just the beginning. once you have done that, you have to compare your suburbs demography to the demography of the greater metropolitan region so again, if you're in montgomery or chester county in suburban, philadelphia, you have to then compare your demography to the demography of the greater philadelphia region if there are any imbalance and different races, ethnicity or incomes in different parts of the region, you have to submit a plan to hud to remedy that imbalance and what that means in practice is, that if you're an upper middle class suburb you might be obligated to build tens, hundreds of millions of dollars in what is called high density,

low income housing, and change your zoning regulations if you're zoning had allowed only for single family residents. you know, house with a nice yard where your kids can play. and plenty of parking on the street. that would have to change. and even that is just the beginning because you then have to inventory everything in your district which is called a community asset what is a community asset? are the good schools in your district? where are the parks? where are the transportation hubs? where are the employment opportunities? the business district and if all of that is not equidistant from economic group in your jurisdiction, including the people that you would bring in from other parts of the metropolitan area then you have

to go a plan to fix that. so that's the gist. there's a lot more as i said, with regard to forcing you into a regional governing consortium and sued in a way that was not very smart. so those are some of the main traps that are laid for almost any jurisdiction especially suburban jurisdiction that applies for a hud graduate under affh by obama/biden administration. >> it almost reads like thomas moore's his book utopia in which they create these communities and at some point they tell you what uniforms you're supposed to be wearing, and who attends lunch and what w hour, and dinn, and what hour. this is such a mass assault on individuality on mobility on

private property rightings on obour local zoning, system, it destroys our history and every respect when it comes to our governing system and it all of a sudden turns everything over to bureaucrats at hud qhor let's be honest. they are motivated by a radical left wing agenda. m so you basically wipe out the suburbs. you wipe out ability for local governments to govern and let's say you have somebody or some group, a town counsel and a mayor who say we're not going to go along with this. what's the punishment if they don't go along with it. >> all right that is in a way the million dollar question. the first thing a suburb could do if it didn't want to go along with this is just not apply for the hud grant many local jurisdictions in the united states receive community block graduates from hud you can say i'm not going apply for it, and

that would be smart. okay would be giving up the money. but you also wouldn't be filling out the form which could get you sued. but here's where joe biden and turbo charging comes in. it'sng bad enough that biden has promised to enforce the obama/biden affh to the hill but now he's come up with a new idea from senator corybook and new idea is this. not only will your hud grant become conditional on doing all of the things that i just explained but now your suburb will not be able to participate in any state road repairs that use any money in what are called surface transportation grants from the federal government. now,sp what suburb in the united states could afford to exempt itself from state road repairs

its roads would detear deteriorate or build a new artery to commute and not have an outlet from that artery into your jurisdiction it would be impossible. soe once the obama/biden affh is turbo charged with booker club i think every suburb in country has to capitulate. >> so amazing i bet it would expand beyond that. but they would try to go to court and cut all off or most federal grants whether it is for education whatever it is trying to tie it back and get it in front of a obama judge or biden judge god forbid he win, and all that seems to happen is trajectory goes one way you have donald trumpen has become president. who hits the brakes, and says this is crazy. this is not what america is about. this is a -- a violation of our constitutionalha construct individual liberty, individual choices and i'm not going to put

up with it then you have other party when is absolutely focused on the government control of the individual, federal government control of our school system, federal government control more of health care, federal government control of the employment and the work place and on and on and on but i want to expand with you come back stanleyf kurts turbo charge part of what biden plans to do and then stoipt i want to ask you why are they so quiet about it? we'll be right back. the countdown has begun... 'til everyone can enjoy a professional clean feel... at home.

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"life, liberty & levin" all your headlines log on to fox news.com. ♪ mark: welcome back. stanley kurtz you talk about how biden really wants to intensify or expand what the obama/biden plan was. by borrowing from cory booker who says we can cut off more funds with that and road funds. and, of course, suburbs need road funds because they're the suburbs and a lot of people drives and there's not a lot of public transportation and so forth and so on. so this would effect the suburbs great deal. plus people in the suburbs are paying an awful lot of the federal tax load and that means that they get very little back certainly in terms of the roads when it f comes. so the goal is for the federal government to compel compliance take money away from the suburbs that the suburbs have every right to receive. because they pay into the

federal till. so my question to you is given how massively significant this is, to the nature of the country. to millions of people who live in the suburbs and millions more who want to live in the suburbs. which are quite diverse more diverse than ever before in american history. why is it so quiet? why doesn't the media record it. why is it on the front page of "the new york times" and washington post? >> well that is a great question mark, and at one level the answer is blindingly simple. they don't talk about it because they understand perfectly well that all of the things i've been describing would p completely pt off suburb voters. and suburban voters are both democrat andot republicans are trying to appeal to. so what they've done instead and by the way, the way the way you should handle that if you really believe in the policy is to pass

a law. you remember passing law you remember civic. you go before personal public and you say here's what we want to do and here's why we want to do it let's have a national debate and pass a law but instead it is the habit of the democratic party to take a law and really invent meanings in little obscure clauses that were never there and create a massive bureaucratic rule that doesn't have public sized in a way that a law would be debated it is a back door strategy very characterric of the democrat that's very much what's going on here, mark. but there's more to it as well. there was a national debate of sorts at least the beginnings of one over so-called brawl in the late 90s. t and there was a "time" magazine, brawl over scrawl. at t that time a lot of communiy organizers that obama worked with and a lot of left-leaning

group affiliated with the democratic party were attacking the suburbs with proposals very much like what we find in affh. and time and again we saw the same pattern and by the way, this is something i let you have in my book the history of it. and the pattern is this. these left-wing groups would come inhe with their proposals d they would find sympathetic state legislators who would hold hearings. and there would be protest, but as soon as people got a load of what was actually in these proposals, for the suburbs they were horrified and they backed off. even the liberals, and they said this is very radical this is -- not going to win. and not only w that, it is going to polarize country and it is flat a terrible idea which is based on hostility to suburbs and at that point, the greatest advocate of the kind of changes we see in the affh rule, they

went underground, so to speak, and then a bolt of lightning hit, and one of their members became president of the united states and low and behold they were able to run the whole policy menu as a kind of back door bureaucratic game. j i think you're right the reason the media did not pouk on this is because it is really a biden and agenda and democrat party.s they know what he has in mind when it comes to the suburbs, they know what obama started in westchester which we'll get to a little later, and they also know that biden needs the suburbs to win. again, they keep talking about women and suburbs will make determination of who is president of the united states and if the women in the suburbs know what's going too happen to their homes, their communities, to their schools, if they know what's going to happen, that they'll have absolutely no control overr it. since all of the power will have been empowered from locality to centralize federal government and bureaucracy to have absolutely no say.

the women of the suburbs may focus less on presidential tweets and more on biden policy. isn't that the real reason they're covering this up? >> absolutely, mark. absolutely. if this were known, they would, they would lose. it's pretty straightforward. so instead you know, they cry racism when that's really not what's going onhe here. and i think we'll get into that more when we talk about westchester. >> in fact, stanley kurtz you and i at some point be accused of raising the straight fear among white people which is exactly why i explained that the opening of this program -- how diverse the american suburbs actually are they're extraordinarily s diverse, much more diverse than the cities as a matter of fact, and i would argue much more diverse than the democrat party imh qh you look at the united states senate. when they get 90% of the african-american vote. and they have two black senators iner the united states senate. we'll be right back.

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mark: welcome back stan rekurtz we've been talking about westchester county, new york. time to delve in what did the obama/biden administration do to that county in new york? >> well mark, westchester county you could say was the guinea pig of sorts for apimpletively housing regulation. now keep in mind that westchester county is the forth most diverse county in new york state. around 26 west chest or county had about 40% of its population were black or hispanic. so this is a very diverse county. and yet a civil rights suit was filed against westchester county claiming not that they had had

any housing discrimination which is what the fair housing act forbids but claims instead that they had falsely promised when they received their hud grant to affirmatively further fair housing. andr the lawsuit used this expansive definition of affirmatively fair housing with nothing to do with discriminating and it was never even alleged that there was housing discrimination. rebut rather that the district simply hadn't done enough to create demographic diversity in every part of the district. now, as i said westchester is highly diverse. but there are some somewhat left diverse enclaves, for example, bill and hillary clinton live. but that is not because of housing discrimination. but because of economic it is very expensive to live in

chappaqua and the way to approach that is to make all americans more prosperous which is something that president trump has been doing that's the way to handle this not some massive social engineering effort. after this was filed the westchester countyoc caved. they went to the obama administration and they said help us to create some kind of agreement that will get us out of this lawsuit. they should have fought it but instead they turn to the obama administration. and using that opportunity, the obama administration started pushing on westchester, these draconian demands first they had to build upwards of 50, 50 million worth of high density low income housing and started pressing them to force the municipalitiesth within

westchester to zoning and low income housing had to be what's called affirmatively advertised. they couldn't just advertise it generally. they had to go particularly to neighborhoods that were not only minorities but were poor and advertise the housing there. so in other words they were effectively being forced to abolish their own laws and to spend tens t of millions of dollars on people who didn't even live in the county with their own tax revenue. so it really was a kind of federal takeover. and that was just the beginning. because we're talking now about 750 units of high density low income housing -- butni hud using academic state later indicated that the ideal solution in the one that would work toward in the long term was building of 10,000 units of high density, low income housing, and if you actually tried to calculate out the taxing on

that, it could, it could potentially raise the taxes on people in westchester by a factory of one or two, 200 increase of taxes just to pay for all of that. and that's the dry run for what every suburb in the country would be subjected to under affh. >> and of course this is really targeted in so many ways but targeteds on eliminating single family homes isn't it? >> absolutely, and you know, mark, that really is the american dream. i mean, people the classic american dream is you work hard. youop save up. you get that dream house with the white picket fence and a yard where the kids can play and where there's a school district small enough so if you care about your kids schooling you can have some influence on the direction it goes in. that's what the american dream is all about, and that in a sense is the greatest antipoverty program that ever existed.

it's the motivation that americans have to save up and better themselves by moving out where there's affordable land to raise a family that drives the economy, tray prevents us from havingng class war far that typified yiewmp but from the perspective of the left leaning democratic factions that favors affh what we call american dream is really a kind of greed. and selfishness even bigotry, so there's, there's a radical difference here and it is going to be on the ballot this november. mark: when we come back stanley kurtz i want to ask you that the nation will be aware of exactly what'sat going on as a result of you being on this program, and as a result of the audience, its members speaking one to another and spreading the word. what will the reaction of the biden campaign, the left wing media, and i have a prediction.

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welcome back. stanley curtis, i can think off the top of my head

>> ought to and there could be more number one the biden campaign will lie about it. will just lie they'll say no that's not our intention that's our plan and nflt it is because it is written. t's not our intention or plan what we know in fact it is because it's written. number two, they will attack those who raise it including the president of the united states who has raised it as white supremacists or promoting white privilege despite the fact that the suburbs are heavily diverse in terms of minorities living in the suburbs there. or number three, they will ignore it, pretend it doesn't exist or the do all three. what do you think? >> well mark, i do think all of the above is a good choice there. i think it would be a terrible tragedy if we were to lose the essence of our governing system, the federalist system because we were afraid to push back on this issue. the way our system works is

that government builds from the ground up, and not from the top down. that has been the case since the pilgrims, since the new england town meeting, and write to the contemporary township. we have a layer of government at the local level, the state level and the federal level and the local level should do as much as possible and the higher levels as little as possible. this is a complete reversal of all this. it's a takeover and really destruction of the local level by the federal level. we can't let ourselves surrender that because of false charges of racism. that's not what's at stake here. that's being used as a cover for a power grab by people who think they know how we ought to live and i think the way to deal with this, because you're right, they don't want to talk about it is for president trump, who's already done

tremendous work by eliminating this rule, but i think he needs to make a speech. he needs to run ads, but especially a speech that really explains some of the things we are talking about so that the, so his opponent is forced to deal with the reality of affh. they may scream and yell and attack, but the more attention goes to this issue, the more americans will see what is actually in affh and i don't believe that biden's plans can survive this scrutiny of americans so they will try to keep it quiet, but every day that passes by it becomes harder and harder to divert public attention from the reality of affh. >> stanley kurtz, i agree with that. last time i checked there's over 50 members of the united states senate or republican, there are almost 200 members of the house of representatives who are republican and i haven't seen

with single one of them in any prominent way or consistent way talk about this. i haven't heard a single one of them talk about promoting legislation or amendment to legislation to prevent this from happening from a regulatory point of view, there's all these massive spending bills that are trying to put writers in the bill to prevent this from happening, the republican party is on appeal, the suburbs will be lost in the country will be lost, individual liberty and mobility will be lost if we don't wake up and wake up fast. do you agree with that. >> i'll be just a little bit more optimistic mark because there was an effort under obama by congress to defund affh. it was led by representative paul gose are in the house. it actually passed with almost every republican voting for in the house and the senate the republicans split.

>> when was that. >> that was during the obama administration. >> i don't hear anything during the trump administration. >> they need to speak up about it now and you may well be right that they will be scared off. they shouldn't be, they need to step up to the plate, but they've done it before and they should know that they can do it again and i believe they're going to be congressional candidates running in the suburbs who will take this issue seriously and who ought to. >> stanley you've done a great service to your nation, i think you're exactly right, you have now put it on the national agenda and we need to fight this like we need to fight so many oththththth when you walk into an amazon fulfillment center, it's like walking into the chocolate factory and you won a golden ticket. all of these are face masks.

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welcome back. ladies and gentlemen some time ago there was a gentleman by the name of alexis. [inaudible] he wrote a book called democracy in america. absolute genius. the book was ignored for about a half-century but as many of you now know it's a very popular book particularly among those who believe in liberty. one of the things he says that so crucially important in the book is that america will never face. [inaudible] why because it governs from the bottom up. the central government is mostly weak and their are so many hamlets and villages and towns, so many cities in these vast america which is where the action is which is where the people live which is where representative government really takes place that they will not tolerate a centralized top-down

government. will that's what we have today. a centralized top-down government and now they're about to unleash a war against our town are township, our villages and our cities to concentrate police powers, funding powers, resource powers, governing powers in the bureaucracy and washington d.c. this is part of the whole plan that biden has set for you should he win. he's going to destroy the suburbs, he's going to destroy healthcare, he's going to destroy law enforcement, he's going to destroy immigration laws. he is bernie sanders in biden's suit. that's exactly who he is. i hope with all this talk in the media leaning toward biden, i hope people in the suburbs will wake up and realize there's a great deal at stake. their liberty, their private property rights, the governing system, everything.

everything is on the table. why? because that is what the democratic party has become, a radical left-wing party. think about it. see you next time [♪] jesse: welcome to "watters' world." i'm jesse watters. you can seat momentum shift in the presidential race. it showed up in the polls in key battleground states. they show consistent shifts towards the president. a% shift towards biden in north carolina. maybe that's why the president was there the oth