side, which has 600% spike in friday i'll be in for martha tonight on the story at 7:00 shootings this year. people are scared because they p.m. eastern time. thank you for joining us, everyone. >> trace: have a good day. don't have the typical societal structures that hold people >> "outnumbered" starts right together and give them something throughout their day that has a now. >> this is fox news alert, we're beginning, middle an end. gangs, whether you like it or awaiting possible remarks from president trump as he meets with not, they do provide that tech workers at the white house. structure. the energy is going to go this, as fox news learned the somewhere and when you have an president is weighing unilateral advocation of leadership, action if no deal in congress on someone, some institution is new round of coronavirus going to step in and in a lot of stimulus. in the next hour, top democrat these cities, you have within leaders set to meet with chief the police department, these of staff mark meadows and anti-gun violence units like in portland, which i know we'll mnuchin in speaker pelosi's talk about in a little bit, that are shut down. office. meadow says a deal remains then you see the consequences and emily is right, this is not sdaps, pelosi blaming one thing. republicans for a deadlock on when the pandemic magically goes unemployment benefits. away, it does not mean manhattan watch this. >> we have a ways to go. i'm not optimistic. will be restored to opleps and >> i think the number, the $600 order that it enjoyed in a good

number is related to economy and for several years unemployment rates, if and people like mayor de blasio unemployment goes down, the has taken for granted there has number can go down. been a down trend in violent crime for so long and now that it is spiking back up, he just >> this is "outnumbered," assumes it is going back to welcome to it. i'm kennedy. where it was. joining me is gillian, attorney but that sort of lack of leadership and lack of insight can lead to long-term and fox news contributor, emily consequences that will empty out compagno and leslie marshall. the city and rob it of its tax joining us today, former base. what you are left with, people arkansas governor and fox news who can't move, like places like contributor, mike huckabee is venezuela and detroit, they can't move. they are hurting and they are here. we have a lot to talk about this the ones who are most harmed by hour. first up, let's go to chad live this sort of world view that is on capitol hill with the story. going to use the government as a chad. >> we'll have this meeting in the speaker's office in an hour. tool of oppression in the long there was a meeting on saturday run. >> gillian: all right, let's morning with no staff, that laser in for a second on underscores the gravity of this. we are told they made a little portland because the police in portland, oregon report highest progress, but not on substance. that is still to come here. number of homicides in the city but the tone was different. in more than 30 years, as house speaker nancy pelosi, she kennedy laid out. is hopeful. 15 deadly shootings last month.

portland police chief notes the >> when we meet today, it is essential that we reach agreement, the numbers are department disbanded the team spiking in terms of lives and after the city council slashed the bundlet. the -- life and death, as well he pulled officers from as infection, in terms of the diminished patrol units to investigate the high number of virus. my view, if you want to open the homicides. this at the same time the city economy, open schools, you have to defeat the virus and we has had more than two straight haven't done that. >> the administration is quoting months of nightly protests since the possibility of doing end run the killing of george floyd on memorial day. around congress if no deal. leslie, do you draw a connection fox is told that is a there looking at the situation negotiating tactic. the problem is, congress on the ground between protests controls purse strings. that went on for two months and now the increase in violence? administration can shift money from account to account without a blessing, but the >> leslie: they had peaceful administration can't drop protests for over 72 hours once several hundred billion or a they didn't have a state and trillion out of the sky. federal law enforcement the constitution is clear, only presence. if you just look at the numbers congress can appropriate money, in june, they had much lower not the president. incidents of violent crime than >> what he'd love to see right in july. what happened in july? in july, you saw feds on the now and immediately is some scene. going to the last topic, i want progress on enhanced employment to jump on real quick, chicago,

benefits, as well as viction. use that example. there is mantra on my side of the aisle of defund police, in while negotiations take place. what is puzzling and troubling, chicago, they sent more police to hot spots of crime. perhaps, is the idea nancy what you have here is not just pelosi and the democrats might like in portland -- be using workers as hostages. >> gillian: leslie, chicago is >> what you should look for in the senate are number of test statistically -- leslie. votes, republicans are going to try to put democrats on the spot -- >> leslie: you have to look at on various proposals to extend the source and the root of the anger that leads to this violence, such as poverty, such unemployment benefits. lower figures $200, 400, not as people not having access to social services, who are locked $600. the reason, republicans can't up inside and in chicago, for come together on their own plan. example, drug use and people remember that mitch mcconnell having access to users, none of the things being addressed in released his plan last week and the cities. it went nowhere. >> gillian: leslie, chicago is kennedy. actualf all >> kennedy: all right, chad. cities, one out of every eight thanks so much. so let's talk about this and of these homicides that is bring it out to the couch a happening in cities is happening little bit. in chicago. governor huckabee, you've got governor, last thought goes to people who are desperate, businesses that are going to you here. for some perspective, murders are on the rise, statistically permanently close because there is no relief in sight. compared to past decades, we're not doing so badly in

you've got parents that are concerned their kids aren't democrat-run cities. does that matter? going to go back to school and >> mike huckabee: well, i think they can't work, they need you can't generalize and say just because they are democrats. relief. do you think people really want i think it is more about what to be pawned in between kind of democrats. republicans and democrats fighting over who gets the there are some good democrats who don't go around losing their blame? minds when it comes to crime. >> mike huckabee: no, no one wants to be pawns in this, that >> thank you, gf governor. is unfortunate about the battle going on. one of the more immediate things >> mike huckabee: when you defund the police and look the that would help is the payroll tax solution. other way and don't really deal it was in the "wall street with what's causing some of the journal" this morpg, stephen crime problems, yeah, you will moore made that proposal, the have a real problem and most of the cities, you just can't president has talked about it. ignore it, they are run by it is immediate and administratively very simple and puts money in the pockets of democrats. >> kennedy: yeah, speaking of people immediately. it doesn't help people who don't have a job, but those folks do democrats, presumptive nominee need help if their job is joe biden is narrowing down his related to the pandemic. choice for a running mate. the one thing we have to avoid some are concerned this drawn-out process is doing harm and this is something that's to the campaign or at least more tricky, you can't pay people harm than next, we'll discuss more for not working than they that next. would make if they worked. if you do that, you're going to >> joe biden said he would make this announcement in early guarantee a high unemployment august, when he is ready to make

that announcement, he will make it. rate and guarantee that a lot of - i'm norm. businesses can't open, not - i'm szasz. because there is not a market, [norm] and we live in columbia, missouri. but because there is nobody willing to show up and go to we do consulting, but we also write. work if they can make more [szasz] we take care of ourselves constantly; sitting at home. it's important. we walk three to five times a week, >> kennedy: all right, so the governor brings up a good point a couple miles at a time. about the payroll tax cut and - we've both been taking prevagen for a little that's what the president has been lobbying for, but it has more than 11 years now. been left out of the package. after about 30 days of taking it, now emily, if the president does we noticed clarity that we didn't notice before. sign some sort of executive - it's still helping me. order delaying the payroll tax i still notice a difference. for the foreseeable future, that prevagen. healthier brain. better life. could come under legal scrutiny. that could be challenged in the courts. how would that play out? >> emily: it plays out really slowly, that is part of the issue having courts decide things that for now americans are looking for relief by congress. payroll tax is significant and will stimulate businesses. otherwise, small business owners are inheriting that unemployment tax. however, i think that the relief

afforded those unemployed americans cannot be overstated and for all of us who don't live in the luxury of capitol hill, we saw the squsquabbling back a forth. i point to speaker pelosi, defended one saying that is usually where we go when we are nearer an agreement. gop needs to come to a consensus with the full house, otherwise, as always, it is regular tax-paying americans who suffer. >> kennedy: mark meadows and or psoriatic arthritis, steve mnuchin are on the hill, little things can become your big moment. that's why there's otezla. gillian, in the beautiful building behind you. otezla is not an injection or a cream. they have a monumental task. it's a pill that treats differently. nancy pelosi has said the for psoriasis, democrat and republican bills are a draft and flamingo and thickness, and scaliness of plaques. for psoriatic arthritis, they cannot mate. so mark meadows and steve to reduce joint swelling, tenderness, and pain. mnuchin has to perform wizardry, and the otezla prescribing information

what kind of task do they have has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. ahead of themselves this week? don't use if you're allergic to otezla. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. >> that is the problem. otezla is associated with coming out of marathon meetings, an increased risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have both sides were telling us they a history of depression or suicidal thoughts were making progress, they are getting closer to some kind of or if these feelings develop. some people taking otezla reported weight loss. deal, we all know by heart now your doctor should monitor your weight what the two sides disagree and may stop treatment. upper respiratory tract infection over, the payroll tax cut is one and headache may occur. that the governor just tell your doctor about your medicines and if you're pregnant mentioned. another is reopening schools. or planning to be. another is liability protection otezla. show more of you. for businesses and another is weekly checks for americans. we haven't heard one issue that the two sides have come together on over the course of the last two weeks that they agree on. i can't name one. i don't know if you can. maybe that $1200 initial check to some americans could be a point of agreement, but who does it go to? when do they get it? americans need something to hang their hat on, a point of sanity to focus on the future to be able to plan for their families.

as you opened the show by saying people are losing jobs, losing health insurance, getting evicted from their homes, they don't know their children are going back to school. people need to live their lives. the wrangling is hurting the american people. i don't see a way you can politicize this and say somebody is doing a better job than somebody else. >> kennedy: great job, gillian. we are falling down the mountain with the help of gravity, it is getting back up that takes the most work and time. we see you. ♪ looking out...for all of us. leslie, the teachers union, and though you may have lost sight of your own well-being, american federation of teachers, they are basically holding aetna never did. we're always here to help you focus on your health. teachers and students hostage saying we're not going to because it's always, time for care. encourage our membership to go back to work. utla is saying unless you fund police and have medicare for all. these are impossible demands. if you have kids not going back to school, you have parents not working.

why would democrats give into any of these demands when they can just harm the economy in the short-term, guaranteeing that joe biden is elected? >> the vice president election process is so much different >> there is a lot there, from every other part of kennedy. first of all, as we know, a american politics, this uniquely is a decision that the nominee school in indiana opened the other day and had to close after must make and it is almost cloak one day because one student tested positive for covid-19. and daggerish a lot of times and not just teachers, but children are at risk, certainly hot goes on behind the scenes. packs, like where i am, lrz >> kennedy: former 2020 presidential candidate julian coul.a. county and state of texas and castro on the search for joe florida. there is no one size fits all biden's running mate. with regard to schools. the presumptive democratic further to that, one reason nominee is not expected to democrats are really holding announce his decision this week, firm is if you're going to cut but that is what he promised. an individual's pay and majority of people are not not going to 13 women are considered likely work because their children are contenders, with much discussion not in school. majority of people aren't going centered around elizabeth to work because they are laid warren, kamala harris and bass off or their company no longer exists, they don't have a job to and susan rice. go back to. you have $1400 gop proposed cut some biden allies are concerned

the process is unnecessarily at time people are being pitting these women against each other. evicted, don't have a job and we former dnc chair, donna brazil are in a health pandemic. how do they pay for healthcare telling the "washington post," "it is extremely disappointing, if their company is not going to or if they have benefits with because many attacks are being cobra, how to pay for the copay made by democratic men who should know better. or deductible or co-insurance. i hope in the election process this is not a time for the we are mindful black women and american people. common sense, data shows women of color deserve respect," economists say this is not and leslie, this is also a incentive for people to stay out of work. most people want to work, if concern james klieburn has had they have jobs to go back to. the data shows that although about the process. you have now this public version unemployment went up, of the hunger games where women consumerism, purchasing went up and if we have more money, that are said to be maligning each will help stimulate the economy, other and sending surrogates in so this is bad unless a deal is to do reputational damage in reached by both democrats and order to increase their own know ares. >> kennedy: magical money, maybe the fed can print it. chances and ultimately that is fantastic. thank you so much. bad look for the biden campaign. so much more to come, including how can they lock this up? new york city already passing last year's numbers, shooting for entire year. >> leslie: there are those we are there by the end of july. saying, i'm a bit worried, this new york and chicago are among is messier than it should be. american's biggest cities seeing i concur with my colleague donna

a surge in homicides. what new york's mayor says is to brazile. at this point in the game, the former vice president, blame. democratic nominee joe biden ooh, i'll bet he has all the should have three people on his short list to be targeting, this answers, that's next. rates have dropped even lower. isn't a normal time as we know. this is a very different decision, he's going to be and now you can save $3000 a year. selecting a woman and likely a minority, even more so an veterans can shortcut the process with newday's african american. the problem here is democrats va streamline refi. there's no appraisal, don't seem to have learned from no income verification, and not a single dollar out of pocket. 2016 and what division and trying to eat our own did, we lost an election. rates are at the lowest they've been in our lifetimes. i hate to see that again and one call can save you $3000 a year. hate to see attacks of women and especially women of color. that delay has brought forth sadly from within my own party. i do think, look, in this age, kennedy, we know that foreshadowing is over with, we know that we have the big reveal before the big reveal, most people have an idea who he's going to pick, we need to get on with it, he needs to get on with it, best for him, his campaign, this woman he will select, that

could be future president and for the party. >> kennedy: yeah, that's true. leslie lays it out, this could be the future president, joe biden could be a one-term çsaryéx8q >> techand your car., we're committed to taking care of you president, likely so. >> tech: we'll fix it right with no-contact service governor huckabee, you have been you can trust. closer to presidential politics than any of us here. >> tech: so if you have auto glass damage, what happens at this point? stay safe with safelite. what is going through joe >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ biden's head and what advice would you give him to smooth out the process? >> mike huckabee: the fact is, i saturpain happens. don't think joe biden knows what aleve it. is going on in joe biden's head, aleve is proven stronger and longer on pain than tylenol. that is part of the problem. the politics, never ever when pain happens, aleve it. interrupt your opponent when all day strong. he's destroying himself. the longer this carries on and more alliances form, the more fractured it gets. i want to just make mention of this fact. the vice presidency issue the big thing every four years, it is a job nobody claims to want, but nobody ever turns it down. so what you don't see publicly,

but what is going on behind the scenes are people jockeying for the job they will publicly claim they are not interested in in the least. >> kennedy: yes, and kamala harris, she is not doing interviews, gillian, one of the people letting her work speak for itself. but you have people like karen bass and susan rice and others, senator tammy duckworth, who are you try to stay ahead of the but scrubbing still takes time. making a much more public claim. now there's powerwash dish spray so how -- what is going to it's the faster way to clean as you go happen when you have all of just spray, wipe and rinse it cleans grease five times faster these hurt feelings? because joe biden obviously dawn powerwash. spray, wipe, rinse. wants to be liked by all the people on his list. instead, he's only going to apps except work.rywhere... why is that? crown one of them the vice is it because people love filling out forms? presidential nominee pick and the others are going to have maybe they like checking with their supervisor to see how much vacation time they have. their cheese left in the wind, as it were. or sending corporate their expense reports. >> gillian: well, one thing on practical note, women are not i'll let you in on a little secret. going to be exempt from the uglier part, the more they don't.

by empowering employees to manage their own tasks, competitive parts of politics. i think it is perfectly paycom frees you to focus on the business of business. reasonable for people to be pitting women against one to learn more, visit paycom.com another when they are competing for vise prez dishl nod from the democrat nominee for this year. i think it would be unreasonable to expect because these are women, everybody will stand back and be hands off and say how wonderful they are. another point, talking to democratic sources for a last part of last week, they are saying one reason there is delay in choosing a nominee, biden is trying to give breathing room to the women who don't have worldwide platforms, like sha kn bass, not to say she's a front-runner, but he's trying to at least give the women enough time to have some of their laundry aired, to speak more so people hear from them before making a decision. >> kennedy: all right. well, another big part of the decision process is going to be

the presidential debates. the first debate between president trump and joe biden scheduled for september 29th, less than two months away. former white house press secretary in clinton administration says it may be in booifd by biden's best interesto avoid going one-on-one with the president. >> it is not really a debate if only one side is willing to tell the truth. giving him that national forum to continue to spout 20,000 or >> kennedy: a crime wave hitting america's biggest cities, 22,000 lies just isn't worth it including chicago. fox news research finds a 52% for the democrats or for biden. increase in homicide over this >> kennedy: i think that is a same time last year. this includes the past weekend massive rationalization, emily when local outlets reported 33 people were shot, nine fatally, compagno, obviously these two men, if they are going to lead including a nine-year-old boy the free world, they have to go struck by a stray bullet while head-to-head. so why would anyone be floating playing outside with his the idea that joe biden should friends. meanwhile, new york city skip the debates? surpassed 2000 19 total shootings. sunday's post highlighted crisis >> emily: i think it was a

with headline "shot to pieces," attempt at comment or cute the city mayor is laying blame talking point, that being said, on the pandemic and the economic the american people won't stand meltdown. for it. take a listen. i note joe biden has been in >> it's a perfect storm. it's a perfect storm. government service longer than we have people without jobs, presidential debates have been a without school, without thing. that being said, the american anything. people are looking forward to massive pent-up frustrations. the debates and they deserve it. as we correct each of the pieces they deserve to have artic and bring the criminal justice population of what a term with system back online, get more that particular candidate would people to work, i know the situation will improve. look like, especially because up until now much has been what >> kennedy: it's not just about they are voting against, it new york and chicago, the "wall would be refreshing to hear what street journal" is reporting 36 of the biggest 50 american they should be voting for. quick point about delay and vp citizens is seeing double-digit nomination, reports from biden rise in homicides. campaign, committees are making governor, i want to go to you major decisions, leading aide first, you are very good at says no one in biden world is capturing, getting to the heart of the national mood. from where you sit, what is the quite emboldened to make major underlying cause of this decisions, not like plus skyrocketing homicide rate? situation, but my point, in can you trace it back to the certain states with early pandemic and the fact people are mail-in voting, people will be couped up, angry issue hit hard voting for their president financially or more about the potentially before the first quest for racial justice that debate and also mere weeks after

kicked off with the killing of a vp nomination is chosen. george floyd on memorial day? i think it is in everyone's best capture it for us. interest to make that decision and get it on the table so we know what is at stake. >> mike huckabee: murdering people doesn't help do anything >> kennedy: yeah, if you have for racial injustice, that is biden surrogates running around the most ridiculous thing i've saying the vice president shouldn't be debating it feeds heard people like de blasio say. the idea that president trump maybe if he painted more signs could do a lot of damage and on fifth avenue or got rid of score more points. in fact, president trump's new money the police department needs, i think it would all get 2020 campaign manager says the better. president's team would like to no doubt, gillian, there is see more debates. effect on people unemployed and watch this. on their jobs and future. bill. >> we want more debates, we want i would not in any way dismiss debates starting sooner. that. when you basically handcuff the first debate is september 29th, police, instead of murderers and by that time, 16 states will put more faith in a mob than the already have been voting by people in blue, this is what you september 29th, that is a concern to me. get. we are already seeing the the police don't want to arrest liberal left, the liberal media people, they know mayors like de blasio and lightfoot and durkan trying to create trap doors for joe biden to escape his won't stand with them, they commitment and his obligation to stand against them. it is demoralizing to the police debate donald trump on a debate officer, more importantly tis stage. dangerous to the average citizen stepie n.

who just wants to go to the market, pick up a few grocery >> kennedy: leslie marshall, what could happen if joe biden items and come home without does badly in one or more of getting mugged. these debates? >> kennedy: yeah. emily, demoralizing and >> leslie: not much. the reason is most people have handcuffing the police, we saw the blue flu, a lot of police made up th minds. this country is very split now, officials calling out for we see that not just in the 2016 multiple weeks in a row last month, now hearing increased election, but election john suicide among police officers, strain on mental health capacity kerry against george bush. polls show john kerry won the across the force. tell us from news -- using your debate, same with hillary clinton, by the way. law enforcement expertise here, and joe biden with donald trump isn't necessarily going to win what can you be done now, if or lose if he wins or loses the debates. joe biden seems to do his best anything? >> emily: requires a when he's attacked. multi-pronged solution. you are right, gillian, as he appears to be strong, that president of the police union would appeal to those who voted said, they are tired of being a for trump, but looking for a new punching bag. i think mayor de blasio is right home in november as a voter. in that it is a perfect storm, >> kennedy: so it is a win-win but he is failing to acknowledge for biden, his surrogates have the part he played. we have mayors of portland and to stop talking about him skipping the debates. all right, the science is chicago pinning it on one issue, but what i see, that is failure. settled, now microsoft in talks with white house is buying the spike in violence on one issue

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>> kennedy: president trump reportedly given microsoft 45 days to negotiate with tiktok. the chinese-owned video ap p is stealing american's personal data. president trump threatened to ban tiktok as federal government conducts a national security review. secretary of state mike pompeo is among top officials sounding the alarm, take a listen. >> here is what i hope the american people will come to recognize, these chinese software companies doing business in the united states, tiktok or wechat, countless

more, as peter navarro said are feeding information directly to the chinese communist party. >> elizabeth: aclu say banning tiktok would be violation of american rights, but national security experts say it is not -- that is not the threat, the real threat here is from the chinese communist party and they are posing greater risk to americans by stealing their data? >> gillian: yes, hyper focus on tiktok is distraction from what is really going on and whatever cyber espionage the chinese communist party is using to infiltrate our national security. i don't like the idea of a president, i don't care if it is president obama and salindra, picking winners and losers of executive fiat. it sets a dangerous precedent and i would be fine if microsoft

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what are they doing with the data? >> mike huckabee: not trying to find out ways to make us better americans, that is for sure. i get it, tiktok is adaktive, so is crack, doesn't make it healthy. when the aclu cares more about protecting china's ability to rob information and use data so they can have more information on americans and perhaps use it against us, than they are about american's privacy and protecting american civil liberties, i worry what happened to that organization. the big question, what did they do with the data? sell it, make money off of it and do they market things to us or do they use it in spying on us and potentially revealing things to other people about us that maybe we just don't want the whole world to know? i don't think the president is out of line to say, we're not going to let the chinese continue to chaet, rob, steal and destroy everything that is holy and good because we can't

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>> kennedy: violent crimes surges in minneapolis, the city offers tips to residents on how to protect themselves. and guess what, doesn't include calling the police. according to letter circulating one neighborhood that has seen spike in robberys and car jackings, people are being told to be prepared to give up your cell phone, purse and wallet. voted to disban the police department with city seeing a 90% spike in homicides this year. emily, where do you begin on this one? this just seems like an appeasement recipe.

>> emily: it reads like the opening secene of a batman gothm cartoon. the growing up in northern california, kidnappings were a pattern and we were taught how to deal with kid napingsing and what to do if you were kidnapped. i had a concrete fear of it. it was good to be empowered and know these things, but it carved out and set a name to something that was a really real terrifying, violent thing going on. here this letter in combination with the city council voting to disband the police department, in combination with the fact those residents are on the hook for $60 million worth of destruction to their neighborhoods. all those converging vectors makes this letter so absolutely tragic. >> kennedy: so what recourse do you have, leslie, if your city council and your government is telling you essentially to give

in to everything, don't seek help and we're not going to make anything better. we're just going to make things easier for people who want to violate the golden axiom of liberty, don't hurt people and don't take their stuff? >> leslie: you know, emily, said tragic. what is tragic, they forget, they are being disingenuous, spreading fear with this, that is sad, they are to serve and protect because 911 is still very much in play in minneapolis and if you are the victim of a crime, you are to call 911, police will respond. when you look at what happened in minneapolis when the council defunded the police, they want restructures. they want to get the police department structure out of politician hands and put into the voter's hands, but you can call 911 in minneapolis and a lot of people received this letter that may be fearful that is not the case. and i really don't think that is

the right thing to do within this community, especially at this time. >> kennedy: no, and you see where police are most critical, governor huckabee, who are you supposed to call if there is a school shooting? in places like new york and l.a., they don't want officers inside school buildings now. so what sort of tragedies lay ahead if we take this sort of hand-fisted approach to defunding police? >> mike huckabee: the question, who you gonna call? i guess ghostbuster, there are not going to be any cops. minneapolis figuring out way to defund the police, they are all retiring, a third of the force is expected to leave by the end of this year. you can call 911, you may get a recording. when the police start telling people, hand over your wallet and phone, they are saying better get your own self-protection and lock and load and be prepared to defend

yourself. >> kennedy: all right, we're prepared. more "outnumbered" in just a moment, stay with us.

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jump in murders since july, in one month, compared to the same time last year. the number of shootings also up over the weekend, 33 people were shot and nine killed, including a 9-year-old boy. new york city, meantime, has also seen far more shootings this year than in all of the year 2019. on sunday alone, 20 people were shot, one person killed.