"america's newsroom tomorrow. until then, have a great night, everyone. thank you so much for joining us. see you tomorrow. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." any day joe biden will announce his pick for the actual democratic nominee, the person who will run the government if biden wins in november. we've been telling you about this process for weeks. we have taken a closer look at three potential candidates, all are said to be on joe biden short-list. stacey abrams, karen bass, kamala harris. in a normal year, no mainstream candidate would consider any of these people. all of them would be disqualified without debate. karen bass is a lunatic

fidel castro acolyte who praised scientology and once belonged to an armed revolutionary group. she is out. stacey abrams is so delusional, she thinks she's the governor of george and by the way she's essentially unemployed. one of her last regular jobs, she wrote bad porn novels. kamala harris is so apparently transactional that even democratic primary voters found her repulsive. pretty much no one who knows kamala harris likes her. overall, it's not a blue ribbon group but according to joe biden, this isn't a normal year in the normal standards don't apply. for what could very well be the most important job on earth, biden has decided to hire exclusively on the basis of qualities that are both immutable and completely irrelevant. race and gender. that's it. but wait a second, you ask, isn't that insulting? isn't it wrong? isn't it probably illegal? yes, it is all three of those things but no one is pushing back against it so biden is

doing it. the problem is that all three of the people we just told you about might wind up in the end hurting the biden campaign. they are just too unimpressive to run. biden's handlers seem to have figured this out. above all, the democratic party wants to win this year. they are not in it for sentimental reasons or for love of joe biden. they are in it for the power and they wanted badly. so today the odds seemed to shift dramatically in another direction, away from karen bass and kamala harris and stacey abrams and towards someone you have seen before. it would be former national security advisor susan rice. as of right now, susan rice appears to be in the lead for the vp slot. that's an interesting development. say what you will about susan rice, and we are about to, but she's not a buffoon. susan rice is smart. she is hard i'd come experienced. susan rice knows exactly what she wants and she understands the

system well enough to get it. she's a threat. what exactly does she believe? susan rice believes what everyone else in permanent washington believes. because above all, rice is a product of d.c. she grew up there. to our political class, rice is the opposite of an outsider. she is the home team. like almost everyone in washington, she is above all a fervent neocon. as a member of obama's cabinet she pushed the counterproductive killing of muammar qaddafi in libya. she has never apologized. for it she should. clinton administration, she supported the bombing of a pharmaceutical factory. it goes without saying really rice led the chorus of liars who claimed donald trump was secretly a russian agent. >> he has taken a series of steps that have vladimir putin dictated them he couldn't have merited more effectively. what his motivations are i think our legitimate question, one that i trust the special

counsel is investigating. the policies of this president have served vladimir putin's interest in dividing the west, undermining democracy. >> do you think it's an open question whether or not he's compromised by russia? >> i don't know what his motivations are. i think it is a legitimate question. >> tucker: ha. to be perfectly clear, this is not someone who's just just throwing words out. this is someone who is highly sophisticated the nuances of foreign policy. in other words, susan rice knew perfectly well when she say what you just heard that it was false. she knew that much of this administration's actual agenda from arming ukraine to expanding domestic energy production here in the u.s. hurts russian interests badly. and yet rice didn't acknowledge it. instead she smeared the president is a kremlin pond. what rice objected to work trumps foreign policy views. views which not incidentally the majority of americans say they support. it turns out that only people in

washington like susan rice want more pointless wars around the world because they are the ones who profit from them. most normal people don't want more pointless wars because they're the ones who fight them but rice doesn't care either way. watch her reaction to the administration's plan to remove troops from syria. >> i woke up this morning to hear that news and as i do, it seems like six days a week i just put my head in my hands. this is [bleep] crazy. >> tucker: oh, yeah. it's crazy. almost unbelievable. it's crazy to bring troops home from a country we have no strategic interest in. for there to fulfill a mission we can't articulate. that's crazy. but that's the consensus in washington. when the u.s. consulate in benghazi was destroyed in 2012, rice herself said something that was actually crazy. she blamed that attack on on an online video. once again, rice knew when she

said it it wasn't true but she said it anyway. >> what sparked the recent violence was the erring on the internet of a very hateful, very offensive video. it began spontaneously in benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired hours earlier in cairo where of course as you know there was a violent protest outside of our embassy sparked by this hateful video. what happened in benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in cairo. what happened this week in cairo, in benghazi, and in many other parts of the region. >> tunisia, khartoum. >> a direct result of a heinous and offensive video. >> tucker: it was heinous. it was offensive. it was hateful. this video which dared criticize radical islam. people saw it and they were so offended they'd justifiably rose up and started shooting

americans. that was the implication of what she said. but rice knew that was a lie when she said it. she knew the attack in benghazi was not spontaneous. it wasn't based in outrage, and it was not stated in response to that or any other video. she knew that because her own intelligence reports made it perfectly clear. but it was an election year. and rice said what she had to say. by the way, the man who actually made the video, the heinous offense of hateful video, was a coptic christian. he was arrested after rice's appearances on television. he was jailed without bail. it was a purely political prosecution of the kind the rest of us reassure ourselves doesn't happen in this country but unfortunately sometimes does. whatever happened to that man? no one checked. we did today. four years later he was living in a homeless shelter. his life was completely destroyed. susan rice has never apologized to him. doesn't appear deep even looked back. that is a moral crime. has rice committed legal crimes?

u.s. attorney john durham is looking into it and we will bring you the results of that investigation when they finally appear. we are still waiting. we do know, though, that rice monitored conversations that trump advisors were having with foreign officials and then requested the unmasking of those advisors. rice was asked about this in a television interview and here's how she responded. >> during the transition, after president trump had been elected, he and the people around him may have been caught up in surveillance of foreign individuals and their identities may have been disclosed. do you know anything about this? >> i know nothing about this. i was surprised to see reports from chairman nunes on that count today. >> tucker: here is just a pro tip in case you're watching this interview at home. when a political figure laughs in a way that suggests not real mirth but nervousness in the middle of an answer, that's a towel. he means they're lying. and in fact she was lying.

we know that for certain. the other thing we know is susan rice with say whatever she things it takes was not suppressing that joe biden is considering her tonight and once again he definitely is. justin hast and is a research fellow at the heartland institute we are happy to have them on tonight. justin, thanks much for joining us. i want to repeat for the third time, i think susan rice is someone we ought to take seriously. she's not stupid. she's not writing porn novels, not pretending to be the governor of georgia. she has a long record. tell us what you've learned. >> the amazing thing about susan rice is that no matter how long you look at her record and i've looked at it all day, you can't actually find anything about domestic policy. what does susan rice believe what the green new deal? what does susan rice believe about single-parent health care or a whole host of domestic issues? we don't know. the only thing we know is what you said in your monologue up to

this interview. that's all we know about susan rice. she is a very long foreign policy track record and its filled with completel complete r failures. whether it's aces, benghazi, a whole host of others, the iran deal, the apology tour obama went on. go on and on and on. she's never achieved anything foreign policy and as far as we know she knows nothing about the best policy. how was this woman qualified to be vice president of the united states? >> tucker: because she's tough. i think that's -- and she knows how the system works which turns out matters. i just have to ask you really complete. she was on the africa desk at the state department more than 20 years ago during a lot of people on that continent. how did she do there? >> well, she was on the african desk when rwanda happened and in fact the clinton administration did absolutely nothing while rhonda was going on and there are reports from fellow democrats who say that susan rie

stood up and try to politicize s concerned that they shouldn't use the word genocide because they were worried about how it might look if they don't actually do anything and yet they are calling it a genocide. susan rice will say whatever it takes to advance susan rice. that's what americans need to understand. if she's chosen vice president of the united states or potentially vice president of the united states from it's going to be all about how she advances her own personal career, not about the good of the american people. >> tucker: well, if biden wins, she'll be in charge of course. justin haskins, thanks much for coming out tonight. appreciate it. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: joe biden's old now, 78 on election day but he is still a hard man. he grew up that way. biden is from a different time. he's not soft and housebroken like you and me. biden comes from the old world where men lived by their fists. they threw knockout punches. he asked questions later. they ate what they killed. joe biden grew up on tufts street, it got tougher as he went down.

he lived in the last house on the left. some called biden the james dean of wilmington, little fast, little dangerous. when a ruthless gang leader called corn pops threatened the citizens of delaware, joe biden put his place with a razor. the ladies swoon but society couldn't handle it. that much testosterone is a threat to the squares in charge like so many daring swashbuckler through history, biden wound up with a criminal record. here he is expanding one of his many run-ins with the cops. >> i just said, young woman, two young women i've met said why don't you -- we'll be right back. i had all come with you. they said okay. and i walked into their dormitory. and was immediately accosted by a cop who arrested me. because back in those days, men were not allowed in women's dormitories. >> tucker: so the lesson is, even then, joe biden had a deep

commitment to civil rights. in his day, dorms were segregated by sex and biden's consciousness wouldn't accept it solely staged a one-man protest integrate his campus but the man shut him down. the heat came around and busted him for smiling on a cloudy day and they sent up to the big house while the rest of his classmates were safe in class reading chaucer, joe biden sat behind bars as prisoner of conscience. he would've sat behind bars anyway if it had come to that. actually biden's claim four years later he wasn't really arrested. he was "almost arrested," which of you think about is almost as bad. >> is a matter of fact last on i was here, i want to make clear to the press, i didn't get arre. because back in those days, you students will appreciate this, men weren't allowed anywhere near a woman's dorm. >> tucker: oval, but that wasn't the end of renegade joe biden's brushes with the law. years later because miracles happen in this country biden

rose from the treaty streets to become a united states senator in washington. five more astute work. he sat on subcommittees but inside joe biden was still the same level from the wrong side of the tracks who faced down corn pop with a razor. he was no one to mess with. even on the senate floor, joe biden kept getting arrested. >> i just walked in. i was in awe and i literally walked onto the senate floor, and i remember walking in and it just sort of took my breath aw away. and i walked up and i literally -- why i did it, i don't know. i sat down in the presiding officer's chair. a police officer grabbed me, arrested me, it took me downstairs. i realized i was just a starstruck kid, they didn't book me. they told me just that i wasn't allowed to do it. >> tucker: arrested me. wait, did he say arrested? it turns out biden wasn't actually arrested in the senate. someone in authority once asked him a question which honestly is pretty much the same thing. like prison, a question can change a man.

>> next thing i know, i feel his hand on my shoulder and a guy from the capitol police picks me up and says what are you doing? after a few moments, he realized i was just a dumbstruck kid and didn't arrest me or anything. >> tucker: oh, he didn't arrest me or anything. once again, not arrested. but maybe that's not surprising. by this point in history, the civil rights movement had moved even further south. all the way to south africa. so you know joe biden do? oh, yeah, he hopped on the plane any flute there where the action is, that's where you're going to find joe biden. what do you think happened to him when he landed? needless to say he got arrested. >> i have a great honor of being arrested with our u.n. ambassador on the streets of soweto trying to get to see them on robbins island. i got arrested trying to see h him. flying down to south africa, nelson mandela.

i came back from south africa trying to see nelson mandela and getting arrested for trying to see him in robbins island and he was in prison. >> tucker: soweto, he needs soweto, and not technically arrested in the legal sense as in cuffed and sent to jail. no, biden was talking about arrested in the literal sense meaning a pause in an objects forward motion. those fascist south african cops momentarily arrested joe biden's progress forward, and for that, he will never forgive them. >> what i said arrested, i meant i was not able to move. cops, the afrikaners would not let me go with them, made me stay where i was. i guess i wasn't arrested. i was stopped. i wasn't able to move i wanted to go. >> tucker: that his life in soweto when you are joe biden and it makes sense but big picture, if you're keeping score at home this is getting confusing. just how much time in prison has joe biden done? is it more or less time than

nelson mandela served? mollie hemingway of "the federalist" has been keeping track, marking the days with matchsticks on the walls of her cell last year the way she sent biden a file in a case for his birthday. we are happy to have molly on tonight. thank you so much for coming on. how much time has joe biden spent in the big house do you think? >> well technically i guess if you're going to put it that way. no time. >> tucker: [laughs] no time. no time. >> he has dreamed of it and thought of it a great deal. he's had a lifetime of storytelling. i mean, i don't think he's the only politician out there to exaggerate or tell stories but he really is notable for this, and it was something that caused problems for him the first time he ran for president, when that candidacy was derailed by his lies, is plagiarism. he adopted a fake persona of a british politician. he had lied extensively about his academic record. he has lied about the circumstances of his family's fatal car wreck that his family

was in. he lied about whether the person who was involved and that was responsible or whether he was drunk. he really has a long track record of lying for personal benefit and if we had a media that was even remotely careful, they would be talking about this and they would've probably presented these issues to democratic voters before they chose him in their primary. >> tucker: can i ask you, i'm not a shrink. i am a talk show host, pretty closely related. why would a guy who was elected to the senate at 29 feel the emotional need to convince others that he was a criminal? why is he bragging about getting arrested so much? do you think it's a little wei weird? >> it is interesting and bizarre. one other thing that's interesting is you're going to these groups, he was a really good storyteller. they were true stories but they were interesting to listen to. now when you see him struggling to even respond to these previous falsehoods, he's really having trouble doing it and it's a very interesting to compare

even from 2008 to the current year what a difference it is and how he is able to tell stories. a big part of his appeal was i think a lot of people have this memory of who he was. maybe he wasn't telling the truth but he was kind of likable and as he dashed his reason why he's not being presented on television right now and it's because i think people, his handlers are very worried about how he presents. >> tucker: yeah, that's why they don't want to debate. i think as his mojo face, he feels this desperate need to project masculinity. obviously that is psychoanalysis but i think it's right. mollie, great to see you tonight. thank you. this country once bragged about its equality. it's in the founding documents. all of us are held to the same standards. not anymore and you see the legal system and exquisite in painful detail. police will not crackdown on riots but people who oppose abortion are arrested for putting chalk messages on the

street. they join us after the break. plus, ellen degeneres is about as woke as anybody on television and all of a sudden has been swept up in the title wave of hurting people because they are not woken up. facing accusations of sexual harassment. huh, interesting story. the revolution always eats its own. we'll be right back. i try to put my arm around any vet that i can, absolutely.

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♪ >> tucker: violent, illiterate rioters and looters have rampaged across america, destroying our cities, toppling statutes, defacing public property, covering our public spaces and racial slurs and obscenities, spray painting everything. our leaders have ignored it. the mob is still free to commit vandalism and boy, are they doing it. i have low pro-life activist in washington, d.c., however are much less lucky because they are less favored by the political class. they were arrested for writing "black preborn lives matter" in chalk on a sidewalk. here's a video of very rest. >> this is our constitutional right. every saturday.

it will continue. you will be placed under arrest. i've given your warning. if you continue, you will be placed under arrest. >> okay. >> you know they do this every saturday. >> every saturday. public property. >> i majored in political science. this is public property. >> tucker: oh, so that's what the police are doing is the murder rate across the country skyrockets. they are arresting nonviolent pro-life activist, putting chalk on the sidewalk. kristin hawkins is president of students for life. thank you both very much for coming on. warner, if you would describe what you are doing when you were arrested. >> yes, tucker.

i arrived at planned parenthood at 5:00 a.m. we were met, students for life leaders and i were met with six police cars. we were told we could not paint black preborn lives matter on the street as we had planned. we sidewalk chalk and then in another student were placed under arrest. this was a violation of our first amendment rights, his viewpoint is, nation. we were thrown into a paddy wagon, taken to jail, put in a jail cell. it was basically like shawshank. >> tucker: you are in washington. the city appears to be covered in political graffiti, racial slurs, obscenities, spray paint, indelible on our public buildings. this was chalk, colored dust. am i missing something? >> you not missing anything and that's what's so ironic about the situation. i couldn't be more proud of warner and erica and the student leaders but more simultaneously

afraid of our rights. this was clear what was happening what was viewpoint discrimination. we have a mayor here in washington, d.c., that painted the streets "black lives matter" that allowed activists associated with the black lives matter organization to go without a permit and permanent paint paint defund the police. we requested permission to paint the streets, black preborn lives matter because the mayor has open up the streets for public expression. we didn't hear from the mayor and we were told from the police to use temporary paint which we agreed to do. but we saw the mayor's response when we arrived on savo the morning with six police cars. >> tucker: they say they care about black lives but they support abortion clinics in black neighborhoods. kanye west that on twitter. they call them crazy but he's not. is anyone coming to your defense? has any group of lawyers offered

to defend you pro bono? >> we've been flooded with requests. we have our own general counsel. we will be working with a group of attorneys very soon to defend warner and erika and their criminal charges and move forward in a first amendment case against the city for infringing on our rights and opening up the streets to public expression but denying ours. >> tucker: that's exactly right. i hope you move forward with maximum aggression. it's your country. thank you both very much. glad you came on. so you got to stay-at-home because we are not certain who you're going to vote for. i am voting for joe biden, i can do whatever i want. those are the new standards. what if your loved one dies? no funeral. but mass gatherings that turn into political rallies that turn into -- totally fine. we will explain the hypocrisy

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>> tucker: there has been a lot of scientific research on the question of whether children spread the virus, the coronavirus, in a meaningful way. and so far it looks like they don't. that's why nations around the world that aren't as politically inflamed as ours and more rational, i hate to say it but it's true, have decided to reopen their schools and day care centers. dr. anthony fauci, a hero to the left, disagrees. today he said many schools must stay closed. for a more impartial view of it, we go to our dr. marc siegel who joins us tonight. hey, doctor. >> tucker, i want to talk about two things. schools reopening and then dr. fauci being up for a ripple of hope award from the history of robert f. kennedy. it's like playing twister. did you ever play twister. literally you are for it, you're

contorting. that's what it feels like about schools. the governor of maryland, larry hogan, deserves a shout out tonight because he said that montgomery county, do not close of private schools. they have to be in person. in california, governor newsom says i want the schools open but everyone under -- over 3 has to wear a mask, physical distancing and i'm going to monitor the hot spots and make sure that those hot spots aren't hot. they are. he's never going to have in person schools. speaking of hot spots, anthony fauci said at a house hearing last week, he said europe is successful 95% of the time locking down. here are only 50%. well, i want to disagree with that because i think we all locked down the country, including states like montana and wyoming locked down. what we didn't do is we didn't obey rules at bars, hair salons, restaurants, also protest. protests were wild and they helped spread the virus. i want to quote from

robert f. kennedy who said the purpose of life is to contribute in some way to making things better. tucker, dr. fauci deserves that award. if we get a vaccine, that's one will have made things better. he is a vexing knowledge is. i will be standing at the frontline cheering if we get a vaccine but right now we are not out of the woods and it's not time for a humanitarian words. >> tucker: i agree. thank you. we should say that the rfk award is being given to dr. fauci and we are quoting "for social change." colin kaepernick is also getting the award. social change. the rest of us thought it was about public health. shame on us for being so naive. i leaders of shortness from the very beginning that shutdowns mask wearing and social distancing work contain the outbreak. here's the mayor of washington, muriel bowser, announcing mandatory quarantines just last week. speaker anyone coming into washington, d.c., from a high-risk area who is not traveling for essential activity

will be required to self-quarantined for 14 days. >> tucker: okay, so that's a lot to ask of a population of the promises it's about science so it applies to everyone. science doesn't work if it only applies to the people without power and not to the people who do have power. that's exactly what's happening. those rules do not apply, those quarantine rules, to the hundreds of democrats who huddled together at congressman john lewis' funeral/political rally last week. do you remember that one that the networks aired for hours, where barack obama shouted about senate procedure at a funeral? the people went to that are exempt because somehow charting left wing slogans and churches "official government business." unlike having a church service in michigan for example or conducting a neighborhood cookout in washington. normal americans are still subject to cdc guidelines. they are not in congress. those guidelines recommend limiting funerals to immediate family members.

so they don't get to say goodbye to those they love at large funerals. they don't have the same privilege as john lewis' friends. our leaders don't care. they don't want you to complain. you shouldn't be allowed to complain. here's the governor's brother on cnn on friday scolding people for complaining. >> this isn't about keeping people from praying. it's about praying that people act more like jesus commanded, being your brother's keeper. >> tucker: a guy who flouted the quarantine when he had the coronavirus. right. lecturing you that you shouldn't be allowed to go to church unless you're having a political rally in the name of john lewis. so when the lockdown started we were told they were last for 14 days in the purpose was to slow the spread. five months later they are still in place and rent is due in unemployment benefits are set to expire and millions of americans are waking up to the question, how my going to pay for my life? the shutdowns never seem to end.

here's a cabdriver in new york city extending his situation. >> we are finished. we've been destroyed, completely destroyed. >> yellow taxi cab driver says it's impossible to support his . he got covid-19 in march and was sick for two weeks. now says the virus is killing his ability to earn a living. >> he lost everything. we don't have no business. >> he's not surprised at all by a taxi and limousine commission report showing that as of june, trips were still down by more than 70%. >> tucker: greg washburn is a restaurant owner in dallas, texas, and he joins us tonight. thanks so much for coming on tonight. beneath the political debate is the life of millions of americans reliant small businesses to pay their bills. a lot of different factors are coming together at once. explain where small business owners are tonight. >> well, tucker, august 1st was

the death knell date. the things that happened on august 1st were ppp money for everyone has run out. landlords who are showing grace in may and june no longer have that ability to do that. their lenders are pressing on them to get mortgages paid. commodity prices have just gone skyrocketed. beans, cheese, state, all have doubled in price. as well as government regulations. running a restaurant at 50% is absolutely ridiculous. you go to a restaurant and every other table is seated, if you need to go to the bathroom, you're walking by every school table in the restaurant. it makes zero sense. the way move been able to get through the summer's seeding people in parking lots. that works great but i'd have to trickle hate to be on the east coast tonight when it's raining and there is nobody doing business outdoors tonight. government regulation, it's just insane what's going on. i checked before i came on the show tonight. in dallas county, one person died today.

in tarrant county which is fort worth, zero died of the virus today. you're talking about a metropolitan area with millions of people and one dead. we have to end this. we have thousands of employees in my company we have around 1600. they want to work, they want to go to work. we do every safety precaution we can to protect them, our workers, and also our customers. we've got to open up. with ppp money overcome our people need to understand is with the money used to, that's how furloughed employees were paid. so it's a very, very difficult situation right now. >> tucker: it almost seems like there are forces in washington want to make the entire middle class dependent on the government. very quickly, tell me your message to your governor, governor abbott of texas, a republican. about how your state should move forward. how would you summarize? >> open up. people need jobs. they need to support their families and for their kids through school and pay for their mortgages.

being closed is just not the answer. >> tucker: yeah. republicans are intimidated. maybe even your governor. >> may very intimidated and they need to understand they don't need to cower to the liberal left. that's what is happening. >> tucker: that is what's happening. and it's killing the country. ray washburn, thank you for that reminder from someone is actually running a business. appreciate it. new court documents claim that bill clinton may have visited the island with two young girls, jeffrey epstein's island. the media is not interested in finding out whether not that happened. they'd rather not talk about it. judge jeanine is interested and she joins us after the break.

♪ >> tucker: the question is, did bill clinton visit his close friend jeff or jerry epstein's island, "pedo" island, with two young girls? court documents suggest he did. why isn't it front page judge jeanine pirro has thoughts. great to see you. >> you know what, here's the bottom line. do they care about bill clinton when he was engaging in

sexual relations in the oval office with an intern? no, did they apologize friend mia, yes, does the mainstream media continue to forgive him yes. if it was a republican would be totally different. but we have heard about this epstein case, we heard about democrats. bill richardson, george mitchell, bill clinton. everybody says no, bill was never on the plane except he's on the manifest 26 times. and then they say no he was not in the island we now have testimony. identification evidence by virginia roberts who says he was on the island with two young girls. and then evidence is significant and they can call virginia roberts a liar until the cows come home. but she's the woman who is a picture of yourself at the age of 17 with prince andrew's arm around her waist in someone's home with ghislaine maxwell looking at her. ghislaine maxwell of course we find out what a monster she is.

she not only arranged all of this, she sought out girls who were vulnerable. she groomed them. she taught them how to take care, how to massage men and take care of them but in addition to all of that in addition to scarring these young girls for life, she also engaged in these underage. she is a monster. for all those people who said she should get bail. no. she is as bad as epstein and the fact that she's continuing to say that she didn't do anything, it's absurd because there were so many victims in this case and i've got to add one more thing, tucker because i know are short on time. now you interviewed alan dershowitz on friday. one of the things that i find standing is that alan dershowitz actually says you know, it was really only two misdemeanors that we represented him on in florida. yes, two misdemeanors with 13 victims. and then he says you know i didn't really know him that well except he stayed in his house. and then dershowitz says i was

never involved in that part of the plea agreement that involves a nonprosecution of unidentified individuals in the future should they ever be prosecuted for any crimes involved with me, conspirators with me who i suspect is ghislaine maxwell along with a whole host of men, powerful rich man who as always get away with out paying their dues to the justice syste system. >> tucker: all of us have lawyers. animals never invite my lawyers to spend the night at my three homes. >> neither would i. i wouldn't stay at my lawyers house either. you know. >> tucker: judge jeanine. [laughs] >> we don't have time. >> tucker: great to see you tonight. thank you so much. one thing you know about ellen degeneres is she's the kindest person in america, much kinder than you. she cares, unlike you,

mr. and mrs. selfish. the people who work for her say she's actually one of the nastiest people ever to host a tv show that's a high bar. trust us, those of us who work in television. the real story on ellen according to some of the people who work there, after the break.

♪ >> i don't know if you know this but it's world kindness day. [cheers and applause] it is. since i preach kindness every day, this is a big one for me. it is like my super bowl or my world series or mind -- i don't know any of this boards. >> tucker: for ellen degeneres, world kindness day is like christmas. she is the kindest person in the world. that's when her show is about, or kindness. her staff says it's totally fake. she's not kind at all. according to them, she's quote mean, fake, cold. and now there is word that people in charge on the show

bullied and sexually harassed younger employees, and ellen, they say look the other way. maybe feigning wokeness is the key to staying on the air. we are not sure. were not endorsing these charges. we are telling you that they are out there. robbie, this is kind of shocking. ellen, her whole show is based on her niceness. >> it is. the reports are totally at odds with the image people have of ellen. the image is not reality. i wouldn't cosign everything alleged here. some of it's anonymous. it could be vindictive former employees but there's a lot of really bad stuff and particularly the sexual abuse. i think it speaks to the lecturing from woke hollywood and then when you shine the light on them, they are guilty of the things they are saying are out there the rest of the world. everyone else who was so morally fallen but not them. you find out it's them too and then what does it take to get canceled? it so random. didn't roseann lose her entire

show over like one joke that was unintentionally offensive and she's been totally -- i'm not hearing anything that ellen is going to take it off the internet so random an who is protected and who is not. >> tucker: billy bush was told by nbc to do an interview and laughed in the middle of it and had his entire laug life destro. you think it's possible that the ellen show is in trouble because of it? >> certainly hearing rumors. it's hard to tell because people have weathered worse than this and gone on for long time and people have been crushed underfoot by the social media mob for much less than this. we'll have 2c. >> tucker: i am starting to think that when people are guilty about their own behavior, they displace that guilt onto other people by accusing them of the crimes they are committing. maybe we are living in this massive psychodrama where a small number of really bad powerful people are inflicting their neuroses on the entire country.

that's my suspicion, robby soave. [laughter] >> i suspect you are right. great to see you tonight. thank you so much. >> tucker: that's it for us. 8:00 p.m., the show that is the sworn enemy of lin line pomposi, smugness and groupthink. a man who is nicer than ellen degeneres, sean hannity. >> i don't believe in canceling or boycotting anybody and i paid close attention. not like the last time i had to mess up and had to apologize. it's something that she did wrong, can she apologize and make it right? >> tucker: i totally agree. >> welcome to "hannity." we are 92 days until this election where you are the ultimate jury and tonight the conspiracy theorist on the left, you know the ones that sold you the russian hoax, the impeachment hoax, all of them are back in full gear.

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