swift. he was not supposed to do that. they emptied his room, no beds, new clothes, nothing left. they met him sit outside with a sign that said, "sorry, i still my parents car and i was speeding." that's a story for you. [laughs] >> trace: clean out your room! >> sandra: see you back here tomorrow morning. "outnumbered" starts now. speaking >> harris: it has been seven straight 70 straight nights of violence in berlin. rioters at one point last night broke into the portland police association office, setting fires and causing damage inside the building. police declared a riot, and that allowed them to move in with the materials they needed to disperse that crowd. meanwhile, officers nearby found a car hit by gunfire, and no one they would speak to the officers regarding the incident. you know what they are called, witnesses. president trump today it

defended federal intervention in the city. because we did a very good job in portland. if we weren't there right now, the federal courthouse would have been ripped down, burned down, it wouldn't exist. >> harris: republican senator ted cruz chaired a hearing on nt for violence tuesday this week. he accused democrats of facilitating violence and endorsing terror tactics, repeating the charge later in an interview with sean hannity. >> seven democrats spoke and question the witnesses. not a single one dared to criticize antifa in any way, calling for federal police officers stormtroopers like nancy pelosi did, or gestapo, as jim clyburn did. cops are not nazis, and it is grotesque, it is offensive. >> harris: this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner.

here today, most of "kennedy" on fox kennedy, ken herself. dagen mcdowell, marie harf. for his inaugural visit to "outnumbered," trey gowdy, former south carolina congressman, fox news contributor, and host of "the trey gowdy podcast." you will need more than earbuds. i wish it was. great having you today. >> trey: thinks you're having. >> harris: i will lean on you for your leadership. i call them potential witnesses on the streets. you see in portland, oregon, people are not even helping where they could be helping, and it's a violent scene. which could hurt anybody. if you are there, it could spread. we saw that unfortunately at the wendy's in atlanta, where rayshard brooks was shot and

that little girl was caught in some cross fire there in the rioting. trey? your thoughts? >> trey: yes, ma'am. you put your finger on it. you're not punishing the police when you don't come forward with information. you're punishing the victims, whether it's a drive-by shooting or if it's a police officer. i think what republicans would like to see, violence by police is wrong, violence against police is wrong. i think what senator cruz and others are asking, do you condemn both with the same frequency? do you condemn both with the same firm and vigor? violence is wrong, whether it's by the police or against the police. be consistent in how you condemn it. >> harris: kennedy, you know, 70. i said 7-0 nights of this kind of thing.

it's more than the street that's happening on. the entire community now is marked like this. i would have to imagine, at this point, the entire community is touched by this. >> kennedy: of course. not only people who live there, but people who are planning on visiting the city of roses, which is now the city of flames. at this point, it appears that most of the federal law enforcement officers are out of the city except the ones who are stationed there. so, what exactly are they still protesting? do they not want police at all? i think congressman gowdy is right, that we do have a very inconsistent application of outrage. that is because so many of our opinions are flavored with

politics. that sours the entire conversation, because there should be a condemnation of violence. there should be an appreciation for human life and desire to preserve human life. and to live in a civil society. you see at least part of it ripping at the seams, and the question is, when does this and? how does it end? when does the mayor there start to lead? will this infect other cities to the point where they are no longer livable? and it's not worth it to people who live there to try and fight for their families and businesses? >> harris: that hurts everybody. we were talking about with revenues pulling out potentially, that hurts entire communities. i'm wondering, i want to take her temperature just re-think democrats are. not speaking for all of them, but in your experience, where you think they are when you start to see some of them even

break with defund the police. i'm not just talking about a few names, i mean top names. eric adams, the brooklyn borough president, we had him on our show. publications have written about him as being a top, like one or 23 top black community voice right now in political leadership. he is saying defund, no. you have to have that anti-crime unit, in new york, specifically. but you see other cities dealing with this violence. what is the temperature inside the democratic party went even democrats are saying, "wait a minute, we need a different way to do this." >> marie: a majority of democrats believe that, harris. and the leader of our party, of the nominee, joe biden, has been very clear that he does not support "defunding the police." every city deals with it differently, but to the congressman's point, i will say categorically that violence against protesters or against

unarmed black men by police is wrong, and violence by people rioting against police is also wrong. i think -- and democrats are saying that. it doesn't get as much media coverage sometimes, but they are saying it. i think one of the challenges is that many conservatives, including the president, are not giving any credibility to the peaceful protesters demanding equality and an end to police bertelli. on "fox & friends" they called black lives matter a marxist movement, talked very negatively about it. black lives matter is a movement at its best that's about ending police brutality. i think it has been frustrating that a lot of conservatives, for the first few weeks after george floyd's murder, gave lip service to this idea of ending police brutality, but the republican senate has refused to take up the george floyd ending police brutality bill that the house passed. the president has used racially tinged language about the

movement, so i believe that's why democrats feel frustrated right now, too. >> harris: go ahead, kennedy. >> kennedy: what about tim scott's bill? a >> marie: it hasn't moved anywhere in the senate. it doesn't go anywhere far enough, close to addressing the issues. it was a bill that was not accessible to enough senators to move forward. >> harris: with all due respect, marie, when i hear anybody say that -- it doesn't matter which party -- "such and such doesn't go far enough," it makes my brain break. it is incompetence, to say you're not even going to try and do something to make things better until everything is perfect. when we get to perfection, none of us on this screen will still be on this earth, and then some. there is no such thing as a perfect bill. >> marie: harris, that's not what i'm saying. >> harris: i want trey to weigh in on this. i know you are close to senator scott. senator scott and i have talked

about this legislation. heck, we talked about the antilynching legislation that also, as marie is pointing out, has had trouble getting through the senate. can we get someplace where things don't have to be perfect and get something done? >> trey: a partly not coming coming out in an even numbered year. remember, they sat down with dick durbin and cory booker and kamala harris and said we have 20 problems with the bill. his response was, "i'll give you 20 amendments. you have 20 problems, i'll give you 20 amendments. let's say goodbye to politics, at least on something as important as the criminal justice system. i'll give you an amendment for every problem you have with our bill." unfortunately, kamala harris put her vice presidential aspirations ahead of what is best for this country. don't blame tim scott. blame the people who would not take an amendment for every single problem they had with the bill. now they're trying to put it back together. i was sitting by tim scott when he got a call from karen bass.

i think karen is trying to put this back together. but it's politics, it's a desire to win back in november that is the reason we don't have police reform right now. >> harris: dagen? >> dagen: a lot of these democrats are so deeply broken inside that they put their own angst an and their political aspirations against and over protecting people of this country and of their states and cities and neighborhoods. the state and local leaders have not only the right but the obligation under the tenth amendment to protect the people in these areas, and they are not doing it, because they would rather throw horrible language that republicans, "gestapo" and "stormtroopers," and it's really appalling they don't use the same condemnation against

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>> kennedy>> dagen: treasury sey steve mnuchin saying the white house negotiators plan on working around the clock to strike a deal with democrats on the next coronavirus relief package. he says the group agreed to try and get a deal done by the end of this week so congress can pass the bill and send it to president trump's desk by next week. white house chief of staff mark meadows said they made substantial offers on issues like enhanced unemployment insurance benefits and eviction protections for renters, and that he hopes democrats will get on board. as talks drag on, president trump said this morning he is willing to take executive action. >> i may do it myself. we are negotiating right now. i have a right to suspend it, and i may do it myself. i have the absolute right to suspend payroll, to do the payroll tax. we call it a payroll tax

suspension. that's an incentive to people, small businesses and business generally, to hire back their workers. >> dagen: trey, does the president have that authority? i know steve moore said it's part of the tax code, but why didn't the republicans in the house get on board with what the democrats were doing in may and get out of this rather than waiting for these unemployment benefits to expire? >> trey: dagen, i don't know. that always text me when i was there. there's very things in the world more predictable than when something ends. we know the date something ends, whether it's a funding bill or unemployment benefits. but yet we have this kind of munch house and by proxy syndrome where we wait until the last minute, everyone to give us credit solving it. whether the president has executive authority, i may be wrong, but i try to be consistent. i don't like when president obama said, "i have a

pen and phone and i get it without you." i don't like when republicans do it. don't let yourself be more feckless. >> dagen: what do you think comes together in terms of a package? quite frankly, the democrats, if they will make a pie, it'll be a poor pie and they will cram everything they can into it. >> trey: republicans do it, we did it with things in super storm sandy that weren't even in the same's hemisphere. when there is consequent for inaction, you will have an action. when the move is on the voter start calling and saying, "look, eviction and on appointment benefits, those are the things we want. we don't want anything other than those things. get it done." and it could and by the time the segment ends if they will just get rid of the extraneous political matters. >> dagen: marie, the democrats

don't think they will own any of this, the $600 per week extra from the federal government expire, even though they wouldn't move on, say, senator mcsally's plan to at least extend it for a week to give them more time to negotia negotiate. marie? >> marie: democrats do feel like we passed something in may where for june and july. to something you said last week, i think when people's unemployment benefits run out or they are facing eviction, they want to throw everyone out. they just blame the totally broken congress. i think there is a risk of that. to the congressman's, i do think -- the congress, not weed. i'm not in congress. but they should focus on things most important here. unemployment and eviction are probably the most important. there are a couple others, whether it's money for schools and for the postal service, to get ready for this election, that i think should be in there. each side has now given a little bit on some things. democrats gave on funding for

the post office, for example. but if they cannot get this fixed, they are looking at an august recess, and i actually think that they should look at doing smaller bills that deal with some of these issues individually, if they can't get a big package done, because they should not cede this authority to the executive zone president trump is talking about something that nobody neither party wants, the payroll tax cut. republicans don't want that. >> dagen: harris? >> harris: i think they are both right. in fact, trey, i want to hit this point with you, because you talked about what i call the swamp-life in d.c. when both sides spend our money, with all those additives. look at the fbi spending the president really wanted in this coronavirus, as well. they had to go back and forth, reportedly, in that language. it was like $1.75 billion for that. what the heck does that have to do with feeding some folks when their paychecks run out? i don't get it.

both sides are guilty of this. again, marie, i come back to that point. take yes for an answer on some things. as you're saying, get some small things done. i just don't know that capitol hill wants to be built like that. i don't know if it's good for business to be too cooperative and get things done with your neighbor. maybe it sells better to be so separate so people know exactly who you are and no one can get confused between you and your opponent. we are that divided. >> dagen: kennedy? >> kennedy: actually have a question for trey gowdy, because you were in congress, you were also a federal prosecutor. you understand how the system works. obviously we can't keep spending and spending. when he put out multitrillion dollars, you've got people who are taking that money and it is rarely the people who need it most. there are usually the last to get it. from your perspective, if you're going to put out all this money,

what would you cut? what should congress cut in order to create less of an imbalance? >> trey: yeah, there is no appetite at all for cutting. early on in my time in congress we went out in the district work period. you call it recess, we call it in-district work period. i said we needed entitlement reform. this was a distinguished district. i had no success, i was completely nonpersuasive and convincing even my own district that we needed to cut. as a relates to congress, no is always the easiest vote the world. you can say, "i loved everything except this one piece." when you vote yes, you own every part of that bill, and something will be used against you politically. no is always the safest vote. >> dagen: i will add this, you can't cut anything right now. you can borrow at half of 1%,

and then you have 25 million people who are collecting unemployment, either the federal or the state benefit. you can't cut what is essentially a safety net. not at this point. you can't take it away. president trump not backing down from his battle against mail-in ballots, warning that one state is so unprepared it could take years to get the election results they are. does he have a point? >> what they are going to do is blanket the state, anybody that ever walked, frankly, will get one. ♪ allstate won't raise your rates just because of an accident. cut! is that good? no you were talking about allstate and... i just... when i... accident forgiveness from allstate. click or call for a quote today.

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>> harris: bottom of the hour, let's check on the headlines making news right now. the dnc has announced joe biden will not be traveling to the party's convention in milwaukee. this all to protect public health, while coronavirus cases are still surging in parts of the country. biden will instead accept the nomination with a speech in his home state of delaware.

crews working to restore power up and down the east coast after tropical storm isaias hit us. a massive cleanup effort has begun. at least seven people were killed in that storm. shocking video showing the moment a priest in lebanon dodged falling rubble as an explosion went off during a mass that was being live streamed. the death toll, we are told now, in beirut, reportedly at least 100 people perished, thousands more injured. president trump is warning it could take years to get the november election results if states like nevada send in mail-in ballots to all the registered voters. meanwhile, the trump campaign and rnc are suing nevada over its expanded mail-in voting program. the president said today, contrasting nevada's system with florida's. watch. >> they've been different in the sense that they're doing it and

they have two very good governance, frankly, and an infrastructure that has taken years to build. it's a very important state, big state. if we are waiting for that state, you don't know what the answer is going to be until after maybe seven days. it's not going to be days, it's months or years. they would never be able to tabulate their votes because they're not set up for it. >> harris: a trey, is it a good idea to cherry pick it like this? florida is important, and the president's home state, there is a lot of obvious reasons he's pointing to mail-in voting. he's had some success there. but we don't know what could happen in nevada. do you pick it out this way or is there a better way to handle this? >> trey: i would handle it a little differently. i would also point out, i think carolyn maloney just got the election results in new york from her house primary. the iowa caucuses, that was a new way of voting. i'm not sure we have the winner in the iowa caucuses.

>> kennedy: [laughs] >> trey: i think republicans are better off saying we want it convenient to vote, we just want the result to be credible. until we can be insured dominic assured the process is safe and credible, and your vote will count, i would like to see the make accommodations for the pandemic and say, "we will have the results by that tuesday, but we might start voting for five days earlier so you can socially distance and safely cast your vote." there are ways to do it and also communicate that we are not afraid more people are going to vote. sometimes that's the way republicans come across. >> harris: you know what, panel, if you will allow me, i want to come back to trey for a second on that. the kind of language you are talking about, the language of what we could be doing to get ready, it seems so simplistic this far out. yet, we are still talking about it. we talked about it for months, through the primary season. would is the hitch and the get along? as their legal and for them to

say they will hold the voting, as you suggested, early? or do you ask, or do why? >> trey: unfortunately, and i hate to be cynical, but i am a cynic. unfortunately, the parties look for an electoral advantage. if there is an advantage in casting votes a certain way, all of the sudden, that's what the fundamentals are. there was a case in north carolina, which was a reddish purple state, but there was a bona fide fraud case with indictments there. it is not above people to game the system. most americans want our fellow americans' vote to count, and we want to be assured that the results are reliable, but we also want to consent and encourage people to participate in this democracy, and our language needs to match that. >> harris: marie? >> marie: i agree with the congressman. i think this is the time right now to have that language from

all of our leaders across the political spectrum match that reality, and to do the hard work of getting our states ready for this. i think, too many people come up president trump singling out florida, a state where he is predicted to win, his home state that is leaning republican, him singling that out as a place where he maybe mail-in ballots are okay but these of the democratic leaning states are somehow not okay there, it feels very partisan, sort of nakedly partisan. but the congressman's right, we can do this but we can't wait until the last minute. we should be creative, we should think about expanding early voting. think about how we can get more credibility and terms of when we will actually know. if we say, harris, we may not know tuesday night, but we will have counted all the ballots by a week later, for example, give it a different deadline -- >> harris: you don't know that, though. >> marie: people want honesty and knowledge. >> harris: the problem is you don't know that.

the idea trey has come up with is really interesting, because i want to point out there's a big difference between early voting, which is what some people can do now, and expanding out your days in which you can go vote to four or five days leading up. some other countries do that, more than just one election day because not everybody can get that election day off. that's different. you know, dagen, giving people more time to get that vote in might actually speak to what marie is asking for, and that is a tighter count time. >> dagen: the biggest issue, and i don't understand why the democrats haven't paid attention to what happened in new york with carolyn maloney and her challenger, sue raj patel, who joined a lawsuit. in the lawsuit, claim voter suppression. and mail-related problems that could disenfranchise a massive amount of voters. as much as 25% of 120,000

mail-in ballots were tossed out. it might have been disqualified. that's according to the democratic party boss here in the city. what is going on is unprecedented. you have california, d.c., vermont, and nevada for the first time mailing. not absentee ballot applications, but actual balance to all voters. it took washington, according to ari fleischer, the state, years to get this right. in addition, there are eight states that our mailing absentee ballot applications to all voters in a general election. i can go down the list, but they have no way of handling this. they don't have the procedures in place, they don't have the offices in place, the people in place, to handle this and get it right and figure out if it was late, why it showed up, where there is, do we need to toss this out, don't we need to toss these out? it's going to be a nightmare of an election, and i don't

understand why the democrats' hair isn't on fire about this. >> harris: well, and you don't want a situation, kennedy, when you get close to election day and people feel like their vote won't count. that is something people have died for, a right to vote in this country. we can't get to the point where everybody is in doubt. we poll for everything, right? i want to know, do most people, would they rather have trey gowdy's idea and have more time to go in-person vote at distance? or mail it in? that example of washington state is an excellent one. >> kennedy: the problem is, as i pointed out before, in oregon where they have all mail-in voting, you have to have your ballot -- it has to arrive by election day. l.a. county, it has to be postmarked on election day. places have to decide what the timing is, and also, to trey gowdy's point, there is some political advantage here.

that is what makes me dubious, that one side is really excited about imposing this system, and it's about public safety. if you have comorbidities, and if you are immunocompromised, if you are an american, apply for your absentee ballot now so you don't risk voting in person. most states, most counties, have those systems in place. a one-size-fits-all, all or nothing solution that is only favored by one party makes me skeptical. but i agree with you, harris. everyone should vote, everyone should feel that their vote counts, and dagen's statistic that 25% of ballots were not counted, they were tossed out, who is tossing those out? who is making those decisions? that's another thing we have to be very wary of. >> harris: we have cameras everywhere. let's turn on cameras on that. >> dagen: can i add one thing,

kennedy? i think democrats are excited about this unprecedented mail out of ballots, because it's heads, you win. tails, you win. it could work to their advantage, and if it doesn't, they will blame president trump and his lack of funding for the post office. >> kennedy: [laughs] >> harris: trey, do you want last word? >> trey: you know what, i think everything has been said, but it hasn't been said by everybody. i still think republicans are better off at least expressing the sentiment that we do well when the most number of people vote. otherwise, it's not a good look. i want people to vote, i just want the vote to be authentic and credible. >> harris: you are a walking bumper sticker. etched in gold, my friend. "everything's been said, but it hasn't been said to everybody." the mayor and police chief in

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clarity on how they will become reality. what is the plan? the push from counsel is to do these large-scale changes in 2020 with no practical plan for community safety. i believe wholeheartedly that is completely reckless. >> kennedy: seven of the nine seattle city council members supporting the cut to the police department budget. trey gowdy, let me ask you, because the mayor of seattle has been on more of the woke side throughout this discussion, but it seems as though she is coming back to a little bit more rationality, siding with the chief of police. the city council in seattle has a lot of power here. what is the worst-case scenario? >> trey: the worst-case scenario as you move that 50% of something that has nothing to do with public safety, and you have victims this time next year

because of the wrong decision that he made. if you want to move money from narcotics enforcement to drug court, or move it from one category to victim compensation, then we are laboratories. the states in the cities are laboratories. i can tell you, i don't know about where y'all live, but i can tell you the communities that would be impacted in my hometown are the ones that can at least do for the absence of law enforcement presence. tell me where you moving it. if you take away from priority number one, you certainly can't be moving it to a higher priority. where are you sending the money? >> kennedy: where are they sending the money? >> marie: what was so interesting and the police chief's comments was that she said, "i support on looking at how we fund our department," but there is no specifics, there is no clarity, there's no strategy.

i think, for anyone who agrees we should take a look at budget for our police department and said we need to reallocate some of the money to community services, to helping prevent crime rather than prosecuting crime, whatever the reallocation is, they should support doing it in a strategic, thoughtful way. not just on a cross-the-board cut with no details under it. i'm someone who supports looking at how we allocate money and police departments and how that money might be able to be better spent, because these across-the-board cuts, you listen to the police chief there, she was very clear in her criticism. >> kennedy: she and the mayor have also said they want to reimagine policing in the city of seattle. dagen, is this a manifestation of defund the police? are there other departments which might use different

language and talk about reform, who would have different outcomes? >> dagen: i know one thing, that aggressive protesters showed up at the house of police chief best over the weekend. was it saturday night to? and was her neighbors that kept them in check. she said this in a letter to the city council. her neighbors kept the protesters from trespassing or engaging in other illegal behavior. maybe the mayor is paying attention to that. when you back off and stand down and let mobs rule, and you don't have the police allowed to do their jobs, then it is hellfire in the city are supposed to be governing. maybe they've woken up to that. >> kennedy: we will see how the statistics bear out. if seattle becomes a safer place because they cut half the police

budget, one of the things protesters and activists have been calling for, more diverse police departments. this would have been the most diverse class of recruits in seattle pd history, and they are the first to go. >> harris: i've had plenty of police leadership, union, local, otherwise tell me in the last couple of months exactly what you're saying. that recruiting is such a problem, now what you have is your diversity is life experience and zip code, because they cannot get enough people in their own areas, they are recruiting and have been for a while. people who are coming into the community who might not be as wise to community traditions were the people themselves, whatever. the makeup of the community. it takes everybody some time to move forward. the problem is we are in a crisis at all times right now. 69, nearly 70 days of unrest in portland, oregon. anybody you are recruiting and bringing in at that point, their training is based on the current crisis. not mingling with the people in

the community. that brings its own sort of noncommunication or communication challenge problem. but there's a question i want to ask, and it won't be popular, especially if i leave the house and go anywhere where anybody is protesting. what if the street is wrong? you talk about, marie, everyone wants to listen to the peaceful protesters. they aren't a conglomerate of people who have won leadership. wright? everyone is pulling for different things for different reasons. the signs might read the same, but if you ask them individually, they are not the same. there is blm the movement, the organization. these things are different. what if the streets push for defund the police is wrong? >> kennedy: they're cutting all of the funding and yet not giving it back to the residence of seattle. that's a bummer. president trump questioning the timing of the first presidential debate. that is set for the end

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>> the one problem i have come of the debate is very late. that's at the end of september, at a lot of ballots will already be cast by that time. why are they putting the first

debate so late? the first one should be before the first ballots go out, and they have it a month later. almost a month later. it's ridiculous. >> harris: trey gowdy, is the president right about that in terms of holding the debate sooner? >> trey: he is right, although what i would add is you don't have to vote before the first debate. if you are a responsible citizen, you're probably going to want to wait. i think the calendar is the least fundamentally flawed thing about our debates. harris, it takes my wife longer to order an entree than we give the leader of the free world to answer some really important questions. how about we change the debate structure and give them an entire day to go back and forth on these important issues and not 30 or 60 seconds? >> harris: you would want that watch them for a day? worthwhile! [laughs] >> trey: i think we need to. >> harris: i love that.

kennedy? >> kennedy: let joe jorgensen in the debate. she's running a libertarian ticket, she's got a different worldview than either of the men who are running. we need a proliferation of voices. we need to break the duopoly. let her speak. >> harris: marie? >> marie: i actually agree that the debate format doesn't always lend itself to intellectual discussion about very complicated issues. having 90 seconds and a rebuttal to answer a question about how to get people health care probably isn't the best way to handle these issues. i agree that we should have some debates earlier. vice president biden has already agreed to do the three standard debates. i would love for him to do them as early as possible, but people should also wait to cast their vote until they've heard all the information they need, harris. >> harris: all right. dagen? >> dagen: i hate to tell the president this, but if somebody is casting their vote and not waiting for the debate, they

made up their mind a long time ago. probably close to four years ago. [laughs] if they are voting for joe biden, they've already made up their mind early about president trump. just a tip for both of the candidates. bend your knees. if you lock your knees during the debate, you go over like a hung over bridesmaid. [laughter] >> harris: oh, my goodness gracious! my mind is still resting on an entire day of a debate. i would popcorn and watch that all day. we'll be right back after the break.

>> dagen: think you do kennedy, marie harf, and trey gowdy. your first time on the couch, mr. gowdy. scale of 1 to 10, how do you think you did? >> trey: zero, y'all make it seem so effortless. i need to stick to practicing law. i want to wish my wife a happy 31st anniversary today. i don't think she is talking to me, so this will be the closest

i can come to wishing her a happy anniversary. >> dagen: happy anniversary, and let me say it this way. thank you, sorry. we always say ma'am and you you always say "ma'am," ande appreciate that. here's harris. >> harris: a fox news alert, a big change in joe biden's convention plans. i'm harris faulkner, welcome to "outnumbered overtime." the presumptive democratic nominee will no longer travel to milwaukee, wisconsin, to accept his party's nomination for president. it's all due to concern about the current of. the dnc said in a statement a short time ago, "while we wish we could move forward with the welcoming to beautiful milwaukee, we recognize protecting the health of our host community and everyone involved with this convention must be paramount." peter doocy live near biden's home base in wilmington, delaware, as the news is developing. peter? >> harris, a lot