rate is low enough to get kids back in schools this fall. districts have to present their plans. >> sandra, a pleasure. >> have a great weekend. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> ♪ >> we begin with this fox news alert. president trump could take executive action today on a new round of coronavirus relief. negotiations on capitol hill are stalled. top democrats and white house officials met yesterday for several hours before talks broke down again with no clear path forward. watch this. >> they didn't take the virus seriously in the beginning. they are not taking the consequences of the virus seriously at this time and it's hard to come to terms. >> there are a lot of issues we are close to a compromise position on. but i think there is a handful of very big issues we are still

very far apart. >> we won't just keep on coming back every day if we can't get to a deal. >> harris: well, they are coming back today. treasure secretary mnuchin said he and meadow's chief of staff will meet with democrats to continue talk. president trump warned in a tweet. i notified my staff to continue working on an executive order. meanwhile jobs numbers for last month out today. they beat expectations. the u.s. added 1.8 million jobs. the unemployment rate fell to 10.2%. down from 11.1% in june. you are watching "outnumbered" on a fine friday. i am harris faulkner. here today fox business anchor

and a fox news contributor and executive director of serve america pac. and joining us fox news analyst lawrence jones. good to see you. it looks like they are going to take the hammer and the nails and try one more time to put a deal together. lauren, this is taking so long, the president is readying an eo. >> according to our reporter they had no plans to meet today until just a while ago. they are now going to talk again. there is no incentive to get this done. this is an election time and every side has its own wish list. it was reported in new york one-third of the small businesses may not return. they told us 2 weeks and it was

much longer. here's my suggestion: congress should do what they need to do to get us ppe and testing and let everybody go back to work. we can't continue to wait on them. we need a fighting chance. a lot of us have neighbor's back and we were essential employees but now that money is running out. the nonprofit money is running out. americans deserve a fighting chance. get us the equipment we need to test ourselves daily and protect ourselves. it's not fair to continue to wait on congress to do their job. >> harris: i want to follow-up with one thing on you lawrence. your list didn't match the president's list. your list is short and pinpoint. your list is talking about still something we need: testing.

more of it. faster. the president and his team, i have been on the ground with them. they get immediate results. americans wait in my little neighborhood in jersey 7 to 14 days for results. if you taka test today and get the results in 2 weeks, what difference does it make? >> that's right. >> harris: your list didn't match his. i can't tell what the list is on capitol hill. it's burgeoning. >> that's a good point. let's cut the nonsense out. they are debating on money back and forth. on who should get $600 versus $400. get the testing right. make sure that people -- as an essential employee doing reporting it takes me a week to get me results back after i have been to a hot zone. get to where everyone gets

immediate results and get ppe and let everybody get back to work. we can't wait. it's not fair. >> there are some businesses that can't come back until there is a vaccine. any business with mass gatherings. whether it's large scale sporting events, entertainment events, broadway, you name it. that's the problem. here's an idea: let's do something on the congressional side and with the executive order. it meets two needs. president trump wants a payroll tax holiday. that will give people an incentive to get back to work if they can go to work. it will reward people who have been on the job, putting their only health at risk as an essential worker during the pandemic. you get to keep more of the money you earned. that's a brilliant idea. then 2, there needs to be an

extension of that extra unemployment benefit people got from the federal government. should it be $200, $400? it was $600. we have seen with job numbers, we have made back 42% of the jobs that were lost in february and march and april. we have gained those back. that is evidence we don't need to have the most generous benefit we did before. the republicans will lose on this because they didn't act sooner. we need to take care of those people who cannot wok because of the virus and because we don't have a vaccine. >> harris: you know, you are saying they still need the $600 or whatever the amount extra is in unemployment benefits. there is an argument that you are giving people an incentive not to go back to work because they are doing better with this.

those benefits now are fading away. >> those benefits are gone. that's a legitimate problem that a large percentage of people were earning more at home on unemployment than at work. i heard directly from business owners they could not get people back to work until that extra benefit exparts. expired. the average unemployment benefit in this country is $300 a week. people were making an extra $600 on top of that. that disappeared. a lot of people can't return to work. hair and makeup artists that work in new york city. they have not been called back. >> harris: and they have to be close to you put your makeup and hair on? >> exactly. you need something. is it $200 or $400? that's one of the big divides between the republicans and the

democrats. they need to give a damn and get together and do something because they don't. >> harris: i hear your example. i am thinking daycare workers and people that get in your face. you can't live without that kind of support. rachael? >> i have to just comment quickly on the clip of nancy pelosi who said that the president and his team are not taking this coronavirus and the response seriously. this is the same woman who was touring china town and calling the president racist for shutting down travel from china. that's unfair. you have a gap of 2 trillion dollars. dems say we need 3.4-trillion dollars and they added bailing out democrat states who are in

budget crises right now. they added environmental justice grants into the bill. this is a typical thing where the democrats see a crises and put all of their goodies into this bill. there is a fight over. that the person people ought to be outraged. the president is laser focussed on getting people back to work. the numbers this morning are encouraging. american people need to look at both candidates and say who i trust to get us back to the strongest economy in the history of the united states? >> harris: between now and then, we have just a little over 90 days. a lot has to be done. i hear what you are saying on what the choices are on november 3rd. when you look at the hard numbers where people are dying and hard numbers of 14 states including cities like kansas city where they are seeing spikes. they are trying to figure out

what to do in those areas. what do you think we need right now? i get the payroll tax and all of that. that's coming down the pike and people can vote on that. what do you think? >> well, i think you are right about we need to get some better testing that is quicker and more of it. also, i believe that lawrence is right. we need to get back to work. we don't want american people to be addicted to government to get us through this. we want to be addicted to work like in the pre-covid trump economy. we are smart enough to figure out when there is a spike shutdown. in places where i live there is no need for so much regulation and shutting down businesses. >> harris: can i step in one second. >> go ahead. >> harris: i hear you saying that and you are if line somewhere and 9 people around you don't have a mask.

there is science that shows a 2-way protection exists with mask wearing. what do you about that? you let all of these people go back to work? i fear for the greeters at grocery stores. i have seen people get nuts in line about something that is so simple. >> i think there is some debate even within the scientific community whether masks are good or not. i trust people. >> harris: with people who are elderly there is no debate. >> we know who is the most in danger. those who were elderly and we ought to focus on protecting them. >> harris: you for line and everybody is trying to get in during the senior hours and some people don't want to wear masks? i am just trying to break it down. we have to get back to work. >> i have this one point, harris. there are consequences to

poverty and economic depression we are not considering that i believe are more serious than the chance of getting covid which 99% of the people will recover from. we need to think about the economic consequences of throwing our economy into a great depression. >> harris: thanks, my friend. marie? >> everyone is thinking about the consequences. to the origin point of this debate: what can congress do right now to provide much needed support to americans who are hurting? we saw jobs numbers where many more people are back at work. the number of people still out of work is huge from where we have been. i think there is a limited deal that congress can get to. you can see some agreement on unemployment benefits, on money for states which pays unemployment benefits. it's related to the employment

situati situation. >> harris: why does that have to be all in one bill? why can't it just be a piece of toast? >> well, right now. those things i mentioned are the skinnied down bill. >> harris: skinny down bill does what lawrence jones said. that's skinny. what you are talking about is skinny but still needs a diet. >> that's not enough. lawrence didn't talk about unemployment benefits. >> because they can't get it done. >> congress is so unable to get anything done. they need to get the minimum done right now. i don't think we can push off some of the things until later. congress is incapable of getting anymore done. i don't know where the republicans were for june and july when they should have been

negotiating. >> harris: republicans only? >> no, both sides. >> harris: it's frightening. we will move. the mayor of portland, oregon, is suggesting protestors are trying to commit murder. next. what made him say that? the city's police chief also seems to have lost his patience. >> this is not about a movement. it's not about brack lives. it's not about racial justice. it's planned, coordinated attacks on police officers. ok everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy.

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attempt to burn down a building that is occupied we people that you have trapped inside, you are not demonstrating. you are attempting to commit murder! >> harris: the mayor of portland, oregon, condemning rioters to tried to set fire to a police precinct and blocked the exits. more violence last night. night 71. police pushed back vandals making multiple arrests and saying some in the crowd lit fires and threw rocks, bottles and paint and damaged police vehicles. president trump suggested the feds may move pack in if the chaos continues. >> if i didn't send in the troops and the people from homeland security you would have courthouses and post office

blown up. we may send in something else am they have been rioting for 70 days. >> harris: lawrence? >> it's a mess. i have been on the ground reporting in portland 2 times in the last year. there was a problem back then. they decided to disband their anti-gun violence unit. the shootings are up over 240%. like new york city who disbanded their anti-crime unit. it's up 177%. this is not about the conversation that we were having in america about equal justice under the law. the relationship between the black community and the police. these are white anarchists who are using black people and the movement as a shield to get away with the anarchy they are doing and shootings in this city. what did we expect to happen? you have no law enforcement on the ground that are able to do their job. you allow anarchists to use

black folks as shields, you should expect. one thing that should be a telling point for people: when you see people in the middle of the street burning bibles, you should think: is that really what black moms would support? the black community, the bible is the center of everything in our life. this is not black people doing this. these are people with their own agenda. all of the black moms, if their kids were doing this, they would be there with belts to spank their tails. >> harris: marie, what went wrong in portland and other cities? you said the peaceful protestors were usurped. they were kicked to the side and walked over and caught in the middle of fires. >> i think is specific to portland. we have not seen the same sustain

sustained rioting in other cities. this is a small portion of portland. i heard a lot of folks on this show ask for us: -- asked for the mayor to step up and slow leadership. to lawrence's point, the small number of people causing this violence do not represent any kind of movement we are talking about in this country about racial justice. i am not sure they are trying to. they are trying to instill chaos. we need to separate portland from the national movement on racial quality in this country. >> harris: this went someplace. they locked the exits in building of the police precincts and would not let people out as they set it on fire. the mayor said that's murder.

>> right. it's not right. it's criminal activity. it should be separate from the mass movements across the country. harris should the fed come in? >> local law enforcement needs to handle it on the ground. this is not a place the fed should go in. >> and the mayor should not have disbanded the unit that focussed on getting that done. the crime is sky rocketing with the shootings in those neighbors. i agree the local law enforcement should do their job. how do you do that in the mayor and council don't support this? >> harris: rachael? >> that's right. what the american people have been seeing whether marie will

admit it or not there are democrat politicians at the national level who criticized president trump for devenfendin federal buildings. i think regular people watching this think 2 things: 1, if you are like me and you live in rural america, thank good i live here and not in democrat run cities. 2, you think do i want these people running my country? the democrats. they are repelled by politicians that are silent or apologize for the riots. >> harris: joe biden is explaining a remark he made about the african-american community and apparently what he is doing next.

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-- promises. >> the latino community is diverse. you go to florida you find a different attitude about immigration in certain places than in arizona. it's a very different, a very diverse community. >> harris: joe biden is now walking back those remarks you heard yesterday at the convention of national association of black and hispanic journalists. yesterday he tweeted: president trump tweeted this:

your response? >> well, the democrats and the blue checkmark libberati have fretted and fussed for years about trump's language. oh, my! now they have backed themselves into a corner. their expectations or suggestion is you must ignore this. correct? but at what point and harris i will talk about you. at what point does this hurt. you had strong comments to say when joe biden made those comments. you talked about a blind spot. >> harris: yes. he said if you don't vote for him you are not black. this is what we call a chiming tick tock. the clock chimes everything that

matches other thing and the clock moves forward with the sound. does it hurt? that's a hard thing to answer. i had scott bolden on yesterday. d.c. democratic chair. he said the black vote is faked in. i cringed when i heard him say that. i don't know how you put those two things together. i think it just speaks to the issue of consistency in the argument you are talking about. lawrence, what do you think? >> well, i don't think he should apologize for it. i think he believes that he said. this is the arrogance from mainstream democrats. >> harris: double down. all blacks are the same? >> i disagree with. it i think it's nonsense. he believes what he says.

when i go into the community and i have done extense reporting and talking to the voters. i asked them: if the city is doing so bad when it comes to poverty and shootingings, why not give the republicans a shot? they say they are not in the community. then i ask republicans why aren't you there? republicans say, well, they will vote for democrats anyway. although joe biden might have said it, i think republicans carry themselves in the same way. >> harris: what you said that is so instructive and deg an, you made me think with does it hurt? you know my thoughts on that because i expressed them previously. maybe as people of color and black people, we need to stop saying and giving everybody the

out of one black community. it's not. we can start the fix right now. it's black communities and we are different across the country and all over the world. marie. there is a consensus on the panel that this won't hurt joe biden. according to my guest yesterday it's baked in the black vote. does that mean he can't clean up his language and has to apologize and has a blind spot about seeing us all the same? >> i don't think he sees the entire black community the same. i think what he was referring to was statistically many more black voters vote democratic than hispanic voters do. that's just a fact. he didn't arcticulate and i am glad we tweeted to explain more.

lawrence made a good point about how republicans treat black voters. joe biden is the democrat's nominee. i am glad that the vice-president is talking about these issues and not always stating them perfectly. we have seen support from the black communities know him and like him. >> harris: the next time a republican doesn't say something eloquent will you give that person a pass like you did joe biden? >> i didn't give him a pass. >> harris: that's not holding him accountable. i don't know why he keeps saying it? it's accountability. >> [overlapping talking]. >> [inaudible].

>> harris: go ahead. >> [overlapping talking]. >> [audio breaking up]. >> on one hand i agree with marie. if you look at the polls for black americans they vote 90%. i am sorry. this is what happens in a party takes a minority group for granted. that's what we saw with joe biden. i look at the republican party, lawrence, you are right. the republicans in the past have not go after the black vote. but look at what donald trump has done -- expanding school choice and funding black colleges and bringing unemployment levels down pre-covid-19. i think he is courting the black vote in a way republicans have never done before. i think that's a problem for democrats. black americans are rising up and seeing when you have do

parties competing for your vote as the hispanics do, suddenly you get more of what you know. >> i know we have to go. i want to clarify. you have a point about federal policy, but it's not game changer for most black americans. it's local policy and politics. so looking across the country and see the numbers impacting america, it's in the local community and they are run by democrats. when i talk to black voters about education policy. that's a local issue and crime is a local issue. republicans gave that to democrats. if we want a competition and want black people to support the republican party, then we need those republicans on the ground. right now, all you can list is federal policy. that's not affects most of america. >> the state policy in wisconsin and it's democrats shutting it down? republicans need to point that out.

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association is counter suing letitia james after she filed a suit to put the guns right group out of business. the nra said she is misusing her office for political purposes. they tweeted.

we are ready for the fight. bring it on. new york's ag accuses them of fraud and self-dealing diverting donations for perks and their families. rachael, how does shutting down in organization help the donors that the ag alleges were taken advantage of? they gave money to support their second amendment rights. shutting is down is political? >> a lot of nra members would welcome rooting out the corruption in the leader level. you want to shut the entire organization down 90 days before an election and you then is a power political organization, you realize they are not trying to root out corruption. you are trying to take away from power who want to protect their second amendment rights. the member of the nra. i think is a power grab.

i think is wrong. i think the american people can see this for what it is. it's a sneak peek of what we will get if joe biden is elected and does what he promised to do, beto o'rourke said i will take away your guns and he will make him the gun czar. >> with all of the unrest and shootings and murders spiking, lawrence, i wonder how the gun debate changes in the next 90 days. i want to point out that attorney general james referred to the nra not as a charitable organization but a terrorist organization 2 years ago in a magazine interview. >> maybe she should recuse herself from this investigation of corruption. since she has strong news about the nra.

what i learned since many americans feel like the police can't protect them because of mayors and city councils limiting their power. they want to protect themselves. i don't think it's a great argument in an election year right now. to try to disband the number 1 organization that protects the gun rights of americans. you set it up perfectly dagan. if it was corruption the victims are the 5 million nra members. she could have said i am doing an investigation and nra members i will get justice for you. instead she said let's shut the organization down. >> the "wall street journal" wrote if you have been harmed talking about the donors, the

solution should be repayment and ban on the officials from serving in the nra. not putting out of business or the death penalty for an organization that represents people who want to stand up for their constitutional rights to carry and bear arms. >> well, the nra will have its day in court. there is now a countersuit. let's be clear about the amount of money here that wayne lapierre and other leadership, it's not just about wayne lapierre. 64 million dollars diverted from charitable donations. >> allegedly. >> that's right. nra members should be furious at their own leadership. we will see all of this play out in court. the nra has been under fire for several years for accounting practices and their ties and possible taking contributions.

>> [overlapping talking]. >> can they be mad at wayne for allegedly abusing their funds and be mad at the ag for shutting down the organization that protects second amendment rights. >> i want to get harris in here. in journalism, you always have to question why now? 9 days before the election may be the answer. >> i think lawrence hit something on the head. there is a definite victim. there are 5 million plus and they are not all republican or republican leaning. >> that's right. >> the democrats have to be careful. we had a discussion yesterday and jessica said, i asked do you think you get a head's up in democratic leadership is something does something like this? it ignites one side of the

political aisle. she thought so. why so close and why not advocate on the 64 million dollars and what happened to them that belonged to 5 million plus members, both republicans and democrats. why not advocate for that rather than just shutting the whole thing down. 39% of gun owners in this country are not members of the nra. 58% are. more than 20% are democrat leaning are nra members. democrats have to pay attention to this, this close to the election. it matters. >> and politically it might back fire. you have liberal leaders who are not protecting residents of their cities. safeties is an issue. how do you protect yourself and your family? you arm yourself. the number of guns being bought in the last couple of months bears that out. >> former republican guarantee

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join forces with bernie sanders for the democratic national convention on august 17th. kasich a major critic of president trump will appear on the same night as sanders in a demonstration of unity. the duo would showcase a proud anti-trump coalition backing bind. barack obama and michelle obama will also headline that convention which will be broadcast in a virtual setting. lawrence, your thoughts? >> well, it's okay to not support everything that the president stands for. as republicans say i don't like this policy position. part of the problem i have with people like kasich, they never reflect why the pendulum swung so far to the right and why voters wanted donald trump. part of the reason is

republicans like himself banding with the liberals. when you sent people to washington and to governor mansions to advocate for conservative policies and you took advantage of those voters, i don't understand how this is going to help regain those voters and take the party to where he wants to take it by banding with bernie sanders. you almost make the president's point for him. >> melissa: this is curious to me that you would align yourself on the same night as bernie sanders who represents such a radical far left position compared when some members in your party say are the majority. >> this is always the argument for why joe biden should be our nominee. according to his supporters and democrats. he could unite the far left of the party and all of the parts of the democratic party and

bring in independents and never-trump republicans or republicans who moved away from donald trump like kasich. that was his argument why he should be the nominee. there willob stage stage during the convention -- saying biden can do this. >> harris: rachael, is this the right man to make that right argument, john kasich? will he carry that message into the biden camp successfully? >> no. john kasich has no constituency. he won't move anybody. the big question on convention night, where is the nominee? and why isn't aoc speaking and

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>> harris: thanks everybody. >> ♪ >> portland, oregon under siege again. the mayor is taking a harder line on rioters who attacked the police precinct accusing them of "outnumbered overtime." i am harris faulkner. protestors turned violent trying to set the police building on fire. several arrests were made.