devastating pictures out of baltimore. the news conference at the top of the hour with the fire department. >> sandra: hopefully get update on the ground as the search and rescue operations continue. our best to them. trace, great to be with you tomorrow. >> trace: you as well. >> sandra: see you tomorrow. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> harris: we will begin with this news. chaos in the streets of chicago, illinois. widespread looting overnight and in to today now after a police-involved shooting in that city. large crowds broke windows, stole goods from stores. nordstrom, macy's, old navy on the list. some rioters also attacked police officers who say 13 officers were injured. more than 100 people are in custody. mayor lori lightfoot says the city will not let this stand. >> these are not poor people engaged in petty theft to feed themselves and their families. this was straight up felony

criminal conduct. to those who engage in this criminal behavior, let's be clear. we are coming for you. we are already at work in finding you and we intend to hold you accountable for your actions. >> harris: meanwhile, president trump says local leaders should activate the national guard in portland after police there declared a riot again. 73 straight nights of demonstrations in the oregon's largest city. protesters again targeting a police union building, throwing objects at officers and setting off fires. attorney general bill barr says the driving force behind the unrest in american cities is the let's lust for power. >> they are a revolutionary's group that is interested in some form of communism. they're bolshevikists.

new form of guerrilla warfare. you're watching "outnumbered." i'm bill harris. jillian turner. and katie pavlich. host of, "kekennedy" and host of "making money." charles payne. this is a heavy day. 73 night of any violence is a lot. but this is supposed to be about justice for george floyd. it's so far strayed from that we are concentrating on new crimes on a daily basis. >> charles: nothing says justice for george floyd or anyone else like looting a coach store. right? i think the comments from a.g. barr are insightful and we should explore it deeply. under the haze of looting you

have anarchists pushing buttons and taking advantage of things. if singular goal is destruction of america as it stands right now. they are anti-capitalist and the anti-free markets. they don't believe in the constitution. of course, some, you know, like socialism, some like communism. it's under the inar i can anarc. when the chicago mayor lori lightfoot talk about them emboldened that is fascinating. i said all along they are emboldened by the justice system. she is changing the courts and the judges holding up cases. i also say the media has got to be introspective on this. politicians should be introspective on this. i said on this show and anywhere i could framing all of this around the notion of the gun violence rather than the people violence and the responsibility of each individual makes it worse not better. maybe we are getting an epiphany in a hard way in some

places but it really is scary. >> harris: kennedy? >> kennedy: what are they waiting for in portland? that is what i want to know. are they waiting for the portland police association or one of the precincts or the federal courthouse to go up in flames with human beings caught inside? you look, the protest in portland, at least they all start at 10:00 p.m. it just goes to show if you want a vastly different system, give it some sunlight so people can learn about your ideas. it is still curious to me. they know exactly how it is going to end. there is not going to be any different outcome here when you are starting that late and you know exactly how things devolve. so, the leaders of whatever fractured movement is left in portland, they really need to get their message and their people together and march them during the day. because all this is, you know,

we said it before, all this is, is a campaign video for president trump. because there are a lot of voters on the fence going okay, i don't like that. i don't want that in my city. it seems like they have totally lost control. what would a joe biden presidency do for that sort of tone? and i don't know the answer to that, to be completely honest. joe biden has been a little all over the place. >> harris: you know, it's so interesting, katie, what kennedy is asking. this would seem on this week before the d.n.c. convention, this would seem like a perfect time for a joe biden campaign to step up and say this is how he would deal with this particular situation. i'm not talking about curing coronavirus. i'm not talking about 99 things you might put on a platform. answering that question after 73 nights in one city, after what has broken off in chicago and portland and seattle. one police chief saying when they burn down a police

building there, set fires, it seemed like it was attempted murder because they blocked the exits. i mean all of this is happening in recent days. it would seem like an opportunity for somebody running to the white house oppositional to the president who sits there now to pitch an idea on what he would do. >> katie: yeah, harris. vice president joe biden has had months of opportunities because this has been going on for 70 days straight to roundly condemn what has gone on. the first time we really heard him say that the type of people committing the crimes should be in prison was a week and a half ago when he held the press conference. before that, even the week that line of the philadelphia police cars was burned by the same antifa terrorists in portland he didn't come out and defend the small businesses who were being destroyed in these neighborhoods. he didn't come out and condemn the violence and say that the people need to be prosecuted. as president of the united

states, joe biden would be in charge of the department of justice. he would have his own attorney general. that question is would that person be pursuing the same charges against the people doing the looting and the rioting and the attempted burning down of the federal courthouses as attorney general bill barr is doing? the president got a lot of the heat to threaten to send in the national troops and sending in resources to protect the portland courthouse but the reason he did it is there were federal agents inside the building and the anarchists were trying to block the exit and burn down the building inside. the president, elections are about the contrast. so the president offering a solution to stop rioting saying we have the resources. call us in. democrats across the country refuse to take it for a political reason while the cities literally burn. >> harris: i have a couple of questions on how we talk about this. is the problem for the

democrats that some of the people causing problems are caused "antifa" and they want a catch-all phrase? even our own lawrence jones, a political contributor on fox news, he says he has been among the crowds and it's not all antifa. there are supremists among the group, too, that want to gen people up. it's a mix. is it the nomenclature, is that why they won't run in and say it's anarchy? i'm not saying all, but most. at least i talked with. representative emmanuel cleber of missouri called them anarchists and they need to be cleaned up. what is the problem? >> harris, i think the nomenclature is part of the problem. as lawrence pointed out. they have tried to put a stamp on the term "antifa" and

labeled them as domestic terrorists and tried to prosecute them under the fullest extent of the law. that gets at part of the problem. the other part of the problem is something that mayor lori lightfoot put her finger on what she said what she has seen over the weekend in chicago is straight up criminal activity. she said she is vowing that the office will do whatever she can to make sure that those people are prosecuted to the fullest extend under the law. as of last night, the chicago p.d. said the body count was 34 people shot. three fatally. children among those. so, part of the problem here is interestingly enough to your earlier point, harris. the d.h.s. officials are telling me that chicago is clearest example we have seen yet of what you are pointing out that the people are completely distexted from the from the quest for social justice and broadest protest movement over the summer in this country. they are start to see the

wheat separate from the chaff. it's becoming more clear who is there to stir up trouble and hurt the fellow americans. >> harris: you heard chicago mayor lightfoot say, "we are coming for you." i'm with wendy. what are yo -- i'm with kennedy. what are you waiting for? let's move on. several people rallied in seattle to support the split. the city councipolice.the city o hold a meeting to plan to cut 150 officers and cut the police chief salary by 40%. the plan would also cut officers who helped social workers deal with the city's large homeless population. charles payne, this seems counterintuitive to doing their job as the city officials. you are stopping the people who can help the situation. >> charles: you are being

too kind. you are so professional. >> harris: it's monday. >> charles: how about just plain nuts or plain crazy? how about suicide? irresponsible, reckless, feckless. i could go on and on. you must be iding me. this is crazy. what they are talking about doing, harris and the position they will put the vast majority of the everyday citizens in is unconscionable. the fact we are having even this conversation i want to scream. i grew up in harlem in the '70s. i have to tell you then it was the dangerous, the toughest neighborhood in america. i know what it is like when the police are afraid to come to your neighborhood and you are praying they do. when the bad folks control everything and make people do things. a million stories that will never be told about the little kids, the 12-year-old kids made to do things out of the fear because there is n nowhere

else to turn to. this is heartbreaking. you don't want to see any part of america become like that. the city council or any other official thinks this is a great idea boggles my mind. >> harris: katie, you get last word this block. >> katie: look, this has turned in to the tyranny of the mob and the tyranny of the minority. a gallop poll showed 81% of the african-americans want police funding to be either the same level it is now or they want to increase because they want more police in their communities. protecting them from the violence we saw in chicago this weekend. whether it's the gangs running the streets or the people looking for trouble. anarchist type running down and looting businesses. it's both criminals that the communities want more police to protect them from. you have a number of people, especially in washington, d.c., controlling the narrative about defunding the police departments. when it will hurt the very

people they claim they are protecting and standing up for. >> harris: yeah. they are taking their call. they are taking marching orders from the people in the streets now. i ask this question daily now. what if the people in the streets don't have the best example because they're not exactly united? what if they are not cler-eyed on this? and the city officials follow their lead and it breaks us. we'll move on. fox news alert now. we have been watching this. the pictures are hard to look at. so this is baltimore, maryland. there is a search and rescue operation right now. major gas explosion behind shopping center. we are told some three homes are involved in all of this. authorities say they are actively trying to rescue at least one person from the rubble that you see center screen right now. one woman has died. four others are rushed to the hospital. again, homes destroyed in all of this. this is baltimore.

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>> house speaker pelosi: what the president did, i agree with the republican senator that said it was unconstitutional slop. he says he is going to do the payroll tax. what he is doing is

undermining social security and medicare so these are illusions. >> it doesn't do the job. it is not going to go in to effect in most places because it's put together in a crazy way. >> there they are. democrat leaders nancy pelosi and chu chuck schumer criticizig president trump for providing aid that provide $400 a week in the additional unemployment benefits, extend the student loan relief program, call for eviction protection and payroll taxes for the workers making less than $100,000 a year. the president took action after the weeks of the stimulus talks between the white house and congress stalled again on friday. democrats saying the white house refused to compromise and the white house trade adviser peter navarro points the finger back to democrats. watch. >> the democrats would prefer to see the economy go into the

tank for another 90 days because that harms the president. i hope that that capitol hill hasn't become that cynical. but watching the negotiations it makes me wonder. we have been willing to bend. >> kennedy: all right. so charles, has capitol hill become that cynical? is this really a political ploy to hurt the president suffering americans be damned? >> charles: i'm not sure, kennedy. i wish i could say 100% that it wasn't. i will say this much. i have been saying for the last three or four weeks coming in to all of this. the pot for both parties, they have had plenty of time to put something through. $3.5 trillion is ridiculous. from the democrats. i think mnuchin starting at 70% of the people salaries wasn't realistic in a country that has almost 6 million job openings but we are still down 13 million jobs from february. that being said, i applaud president trump. i mean he had no choice but to try the executive orders.

maybe it will spur something in washington. congress, you know, it is just, it's unbelievable how they let this get to this point again. one of the things that really saved the economy and defied all logic, all the experts was the swiftness they moved in, in the beginning. the federal reserve, the federal government. president trump, congress. they moved quickly and that really -- it will be a long time before we know how much that meant to us. but i know the result was millions of jobs that would have been lost forever. and households that are intact that would have been i in tathers. the fact they went to politics as usual is heartbreaking. >> kennedy: gillian, there is political infighting in the party. nancy pelosi was making reference to senator ben sass who should have been issue with the president issuing the executive orders because the republicans were so upset when president obama did it.

you also have rand paul coming out saying that the republicans owe president obama an apology for giving him a hard time for $800 billion in, you know, various stimulus packages. we are talking about $3 trillion. what is going on within the republican party? why can't they agree? >> gillian: $1 trillion here, $1 trillion there. pretty soon we will talk about real money. before the ink was even dry on president trump's executive orders on saturday, speaker pelosi came out and said it's unconstitutional. schumer came out and called at it gimmick. the argument from the democrats seems to be the president is making an end run around congress because he is not getting what he wants. now, the counterpoint to that coming from the administration officials all weekend long is the president is stepping up to help the american people during their time of need. that is after a national security. that is his foremost duty as the president of the united

states. ty tend to largely agree -- i tend to largely agree with that. i would say the vulnerability with president trump with the executive orders is not the constitutionality and the fact they may or may not get tangled up in the courts. the real vulnerability is his plan relies on the states to step up in a way that nobody is sure they are going to actually be prepared to do. if the democrats want to haggle this out, that is the thing to laser in on. the quick final point is steven mnuchin told chris wallace yesterday that they are still keeping the option of doing negotiation on the table. so if the democrats want to come back at some point going forward, they are still open to do that. it seems like no harm, no foul. >> kennedy: they will have to. because the bill that they have got and the money they have got committed, katie, is billions and billions of dollars for states have unfunded pension liability. they have mismanaged their

various budgets. they have overspent in places like new york and california. of course, democrats want to a federal bail-out for them. it brings us to the impasse which again hurts the people who need relief most. >> katie: yep. the policies of overspending and debt and bad local management at the state lev are certain -- level are coming home to roost. especially in places like new york where governor andrew cuomo is begging people who pay most of the taxes to stay in town because the governor doesn't have enough revenue and the job creators are leaving. in terms of the negotiations an capitol hill and the president pushing through the executive order with the $400 a week. this is a tactic he used before when congress seems to not want to work with him in control of nancy pelosi on the types of issues. you could, i think there is an important distinction that you have to make with the money that is being allocated now versus the bail-outs that

president obama was asking for. this is compensation from the government for taxpayers after the government essentially forced the economy to shut down. it's compensation for the government taking away your job. it's not just the government bailing out bad decisions by businesses in the economy. so i think that is an important distinction to make when it comes to whether they should or should not be helping the american people. nancy pelosi can sue. republicans who have a problem with the unconstitutionality can sue. but in terms of the politics here, the president a week ago looked like he was losing the argument, that democrats were winning on the $600 a week argument and now he has put something on the table because they went home last weekend with nothing. he can say look, here is a deal. what do you have to offer? democrats right now are just complaining about what he has put forward. >> kennedy: harris, i mean, the political stakes are so high. you know, there is always heat this time of the year when you are faced, when you are facing

an election. we are facing a contentious presidential election. how does this thing possibly end? >> harris: you know, karl rove and i had a discussion recently about win the day. you want to win the day. the president made a very clever shrewd move by pushing forward as katie pointed out, his idea of what should be in the legislation. look, they can fight all about it all weekend long. they can go this week. i wouldn't suggest politicians spend too much time on it. the public is counting. looking at th at the ticktock gg hmm. i don't mean the dance kind. i mean the watch kind. this is good for him winning the day. he gets to say he is willing to do something, what will you do? my question to the republicans is when the democrats come back and they cut their deal by $1 trillion is there a middle ground to meet in? or are you just playing chicken with this? i don't think any politician on the hill right now can afford to do that. they have to reach some ground. but the use of an executive

order or a few of them was politically shrewd. i want to point out for those who think that the president is heavy on the ink and his pen. i think it was president obama who had the pen and the phone. am i wrong about that? 276, he had, executive orders from 2009 to the end of his presidency. the leader as far as i know is bill clinton with over 360 of them. george w. bush, above 250 as well. i think like 261. so look, this is a way to get things done. they aren't always as permanent as presidents would like to be. sometimes it's a way -- you know you don't like to hear this at lunchtime -- to get the constipation off the capitol and get things moving. >> kennedy: mercy. we'll get things moving. joe biden could announce his running mate ani moment. some saa -- at anymoment. some say the decision is more important than ever. why? and whether they're right.

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>> harris: checking headlines now. the number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the united states passed 5 million. a new report finds 97,000 children tested positive for the virus during the two weeks of july. that is an alarming 40% increase. senate homeland security chairman ron johnson has issued subpoenas for documents from the f.b.i. director christopher wray as part of the committee crossfire hurricane investigation. it's the committee's first subpoena in the review of the origins of the russia probe. here is what we have been monitoring for you this hour. major gas explosion behind a shopping area in northwest baltimore. homes blew up. a woman died, we are told. a person is still trapped. you see the search and rescue going on right now. this is live look at that right in the center of your screen.

they believe there is one person trapped in all of that rubble. they are trying to find the last person. they did take four injured people to the hospital as well. investigation is underway. one week from the start of the democratic national convention. and joe biden is expected to announce his vice presidential pick as soon as today. "associated press" is arguing the choice is especially important this year. by writing, "at a minimum, this decision will shift the force of the campaign at least temporarily away from donald trump's turbulent presidency on to biden himself. that is not a place many democrats are comfortable given biden's proclivity for gaffe and lack of excitement in his candidacy." ouch. and senator elizabeth warren brought in $7.7 million for

the campaign. senator kamala harris raised $5 million. senator duckworth, $3 million. congresswoman karen bass $2.2 million. charles, i come to you. so we are down to the nitty-gritty. he is about to pick his campaign running mate. some democrats, as i said are concerned because that means you get more joe biden. paraphrasing them, of course. >> charles: yeah. it really is intriguing in many ways. one is like most presidents like to get a vice president i think that is sort of dovetails with them and agrees with them on a few things. there is serious diversity on the backgrounds with the potential choices. also i think what is really intriguing is i think we are going to end up, it's so funny. when this whole election season began the democrats bragged how yolk they were as a party. the black candidates, hispanics and all these women. it was like we'll show the

world, show the world we weren't just old racist nation that just went with the same old ideas and the same old folks. you know there is a chance that, you know, they certainly didn't live up to all the hype. by the way, they created. this is their own narrative, by the way. i find it to be extraordinary. because i don't know that biden has any sort of real connection with any of the potential candidates. yet, this is what the list is down to. >> harris: well, if there is one connection, kennedy, i remember the debate stage performance with kamala harris. goodness gracious. they didn't look like they were on the same side. >> charles: that is a different kind of connection. >> harris: it was interesting. >> kennedy: she has been able to raise a lot of money because her name really been at the top of the short list for the v.p. candidates. look. she has raised over $7 million. $7.7 million as you pointed out. but there has always been a shadow campaign, sort of the anti-kamala shadow campaign.

kneecapping her so she is not his selection. joe biden has really been dragging this out for all the wrong reasons. very clumsily. there is good reason for that. i hope he ends up nominating someone who is completely from the left field. it would be great if it was like marianne williamson or someone's name you heard in the election cycle. >> harris: you like her. >> kennedy: i think she is fantastic. she is what the world needs right now. her department of peace could save us all. [laughter] >> harris: that is so sweet. right? before i pull up this quote from the san francisco mayor, i want to come to you, katie. just based on what you think joe biden might need putting on your neutrality cap now to give campaign strategy, who should he pick? >> katie: i think it is a tough call given the field of the nominees that we are looking at. kamala harris was a bad candidate in the primary. she didn't even get to the

first round of voting. she essentially called joe biden, said he had racist tendencies. she is from california. that is not a state that he needs to win wither. he will win it anyway. karen bass is probably in the best position electorally to get the slot. but in terms of florida, she has some pro castro comments which will go right to the not voting for her category in terms of people in florida voting for in the cuban community. but harris, i think the most interesting part of this moving forward is going to be this. the candidate here, joe biden, the vice presidential candidate i think is going to be put out front to really lead the campaign. joe biden hasn't been out in front of the campaign. he has given a lot of statements through the spokes people. i think the pressure on the vice presidential candidate to carry the campaign to the finish line is going to be enormous. you will see that person out doing interviews, talking about the biden policies, talking about the plans that he has published. more often than joe biden.

because as you mentioned, they are afraid to have more of joe biden on the campaign trail. he does interviews and he says things they have to walk back. >> harris: that is a lot of pressure. >> katie: watch for the v.p. doing all the interviews. >> harris: you have to pick someone who is gaffe-free. i don't know who that would be. >> history-free. a lot of them have history. >> harris: oh, yeah. clean slate altogether so -- i don't know. gillian? >> gillian: well, on katie's point about the clean slate and picking a candidate that history-free. the biden campaign said one of the reasons why they are taking a longer time than normal to actually choose a candidate and announce that candidate is because they are sort of a big disparity among the female candidates they have in the pipeline. some of them like kamala harris are household names and they have national platforms. most americans know who they are. others like the rep karen bass

are not known and they wanted to give lesser-known candidates time to stake a claim here, give the campaign some more time to gauge public response to them. from the biden camp back the explanation. but the problem here is conventional political wisdom all season has always held that joe biden, himself, benefits when he makes the selection, referendum on president trump. so by delaying the decision now until the 11th hour, he is keeping the focus on his campaign when what he wants to do is keep it on president trump and his policies. >> harris: it's so interesting, though, what you say about the time to get to know them. as katie pointed out, what people have been learning about karen bass recently has kind of i would imagine frustrated messaging for the biden campaign. they have to be paying attention if not participating in what she said, the pro castro remarks as they have been called. the last quick thought, gillian? >> gillian: i agree with you, harris. i think for some of the

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like china, russia, iran engaged in the cyber attacks and phishing with respect to the infrastructure and the websites and that sort of thing. we are aware of it. we are taking steps to counter it. that was the white house national security adviser o'brien naming the countries trying to meddle with the elections this year. house speaker nancy pelosi says one of the threats is bigger than the others. >> house speaker pelosi: russia is activitily 24/7 interfering in our elections. they did so in 2016 and they are doing so now. >> katie: gillian you have a background in national security. what do you think of what nancy pelosi's assessment is about who is the biggest threat? >> gillian: all the intelligence community folks who focus on the election security for their jobs say

it's possible to rank the countries in terms of who today the snapshot in time presents biggest threat but you can't hang your hat on that information on any kind of a ranking because it's changing and evolving so rapidly. so for example, katie, today russia poses the biggest threat only because they have more experience today doing this thing. they have been meddling in elections or trying to medle in elections around the world for some time. whether it's the brexit vote or other european countries elections. but they all say china is poised to overtake russia and pose the biggest threat to the u.s. and countries around the world quickly. so it's spurious to say worry about russia more than china. the other things there are actively right now dozens of countries around the world that would like to interfere and somehow influence our elections in one way or another. the u.s. is greatest country,

in the world but the competitors is long and that brings with it threats. so i think the intelligence community is right at any given moment in time to try to prioritize the biggest threats but at the same time they know the goal post is constantly, constantly moving. so it's not helpful to say this country or that country poses a bigger threat right now. >> katie: charles, your thoughts? >> charles: i think every time a democrat talks about china, president xi does a cartwheel. never sees any problem with china. tiktok is just an app. why are they focused on it? trade is okay. i just never see why don't they see the threat that china is? significantly it's a larger threat to america than russia on almost every level. if they are not there to gillian's point yet on interference of elections,

they will get there. their experience of stealing intellectual property and experience of bullying and knowing how to do this stuff is amazing. they are the greatest threat to america, period, and so, this is stupid to suggest they are not a threat on any level. or certainly on the election level and the fact of the matter is we got to keep the eye on china. they are the main competition around the world and they are not playing fair. >> katie: yeah. kennedy, it's either they have a blind spot to china, democrats generally or they are deliberately ignoring the threat they pose. not just now but in the future. >> kennedy: the rationale is russia wants trump re-elect and china wants biden to win because biden will go softer and he betrayed that with his own comments about how he feels with china. my issue is with nancy pelosi. she is sitting here screaming that the house is on fire but she has had the fire hose the

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to announce plans to proceed with the school year by tomorrow night. they have 300 other kids who are being looked at who might have come in contact with some of those who tested positive. charles, i come to you. we have young people in both of our households. you have a beautiful little 5-year-old grand daughter. this is on the minds of every parent. >> charles: it is. it's extraordinarily complicated. it's a mental health issue, an economic issue. obviously a food issue. a lot of the kids need to go to school so that they have proper nutrition. it's a physical education, p.e. crisis among our kids. we talk about childhood obesity. but also the educational problem. you know when a city like chicago says we are going to hold off on the whole system for some time, you got to think about the students in that school system. and already with the so-called achievement gap, this will make it worse. we are talking about the consequences that ironically enough even the u.n. said last

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>> harris: at any moment now we are expecting to take live a briefing from the white house whose weekend violence raged out of control in cities across america. this is "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. a riot declared in portland, oregon, overnight. that is not the first one. in seattle, protesters burned a flag amid the push to defund the police department. washington, d.c., saw a surge in gun violence. including a mass shooting at a cookout. in chicago widespread looting and attacks on the police overnight after a police officer-involved shooting there. mayor lori lightfoot there today said enough is enough. >> this is not