time. any of you guys travel to travel, i don't know what your plans are, they could arrest you on the spot in china. be careful. thank you very much. the world keeps turning, doesn't it? here comes "the five." ♪ >> dana: hello, everyone. i am dana perino with greg gutfeld, donna brazile, lawrence jones, and dagen mcdowell. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." president trump taking action on coronavirus relief, bypassing congress after negotiations failed. moments from that we will hear directly from the president. he is blaming the democrats for not acting and holding a news conference where he is sure to talk about his decision to sign executive actions aimed at providing economic relief to millions of americans. here is the president. >> they were asking for things

that just had nothing to do with what we are talking about. we have been going through this routine for a long time, number of weeks. it was time to act. actually we been largely praised. we have to get money to the people. >> dana: house speaker nancy pelosi blasting the executive actions as "absurdly unconstitutional" and threatening legal challenge. the speaker face to grilling from the press over her role in the failed negotiations. watch. >> having no bill at all, not coming to any agreement wasn't going to provide any of the things you want either. you're known as a master negotiator. didn't you messed this one up? >> clearly you don't have an understanding of what's happening here. >> madame speaker. i understand you want to get the best possible for people. but at some point you've got to work with the other side, right?

dana: dagen mcdowell, i want to start with you, setting the stage for how important it was for people who are going to run out of extra supplemental benefits. how important is it for them to have this money? tell me about those negotiations. i don't think people are going to care where the check comes from. as long as they get their check. >> dagen: exactly. i will start, from personal experience, when you have to bust out the finger, you're losing. note to nancy pelosi. the president, i don't like executive orders. the president really found a sweet spot for what the economy and americans need right now. they do need extra money. people who can't go back to work need extra money and unemployment benefits. the $600 went away. may be argued -- many argued it was too generous and was incentive for people to stay home. they were getting more on unemployment than they were on

the job. $400 is a reasonable amount. it's higher than the republicans proposed. there is that and then also there is a benefit to people who are at work who've been hustling through the pandemic shutdown, risking their health. also an incentive for people to go back to work through the payroll tax deferral. the president has the democrats in a vice grip. either they have to give into some of the republicans' demands to some of what they want or they are going to fight the president on giving people money, people who need that money. i have been a financial journalist for about a quarter of a century. in technical terms what we witnessed over the weekend were some folks getting their asses handed to them. >> dana: [laughs] i like the technical term. greg, it kind of reminded me of the schumer shutdown. your number one president trump was able to label the shutdown is the schumer shutdown and then basically pin it on the democrats. they have had to cave.

there's another democrat from our past who thinks that the president was just pulling a stunt. take a look. >> it's a stunt. there is no doubt about it. it's also meant to be a big diversion from the hard work congress should be engaged and to provide the kind of relief the tens of millions of americans need. >> dana: greg, that's one way to put it. how would you put it? >> greg: i don't know. we have dagen swearing and you think it's funny and this is well people are having dinner. it's disgusting. politics is a magic show for the corrupt. pelosi says we had a bill and you did nothing. but the covid relief bill was full of so much pork you can roast it on a spit. their magic trick, tack on climates, debt forgiveness, and if you don't agree then you want people to die even though it's you who snuck in the extra

relief for free eyeglasses for woodland tree nymphs. what we have learned is we need a new streamlining system for real emergencies and not phony emergencies. congress can handle flaky emergencies. the real ones where you need money fast, you've got to let the president handle that and then punish those who attach vs pork with a public spanking. not an actual execution. if you say it's a relief bill for an earthquake but what about the new breeding site first nailed orders and you have to be publicly spanked. the pandemic taught us you cannot depend on congress in times of emergency. we can depend on them during a benign period. they can do their stupid speeches and flight of climate summits and no one cares because it's a burden we can handle.

but in a time of destruction and disease and disorder, we can no longer indulge their pointless activities. i say executive action all the way and then sort it all out later. >> dana: donna, it does seem kind of hard to imagine that the democrats would sue to stop thee presidents executive actions when they don't have an alternative to get money into people's hands as quickly as people might need it. >> donna: on may 15, as you know, the democrats had the heroes act. we can quibble about the amount, we can say it was pork or beef or even chicken. what it did contain was a comprehensive way of looking at the crisis. at that time, mitch mcconnell, and the republicans decided to drag your feet and say let's put it on pause before we spend more money. the democrats understood that july 31st was going to come sooner rather than later. the republicans came to the table on july 27th.

so let's stop trying to figure out how to blame someone for sticking up a finger when the truth is millions of americans are about to be evicted. millions of americans cannot make ends meet. yes, the president has signed a piece of paper. he got money from the social security. he got money from fema to make it happen. whether they decide to sue or not, congress should get back to work, figure out what the final tally should look like and help the american people. >> dana: i think everyone could agree with that, lawrence. i think one of the things the presidents action did was force people to get serious. one of the things "the wall street journal" said was that democrats ask me for 3-plus trillion dollars, that it wasn't so much a negotiation as a stick up. that's not really when you get to compromise. but now with the president having taken this action, could a compromise be possible? >> lawrence: excellent analysis, as usual.

we are at a negotiation table now because the game is much different. my basketball coach used to always say basketball is a game of runs. the score can change in the blink of. politics shouldn't be that way but it is. democrats didn't want to negotiate as long as it was republicans were going to take the blame. they painted a picture that republicans didn't care. 3.4 trillion, they were being taken seriously. the president saying i will do this executive order and you can take me to court but then you look like the bad guy. what did you pass? i already do this. what do you want to do? you see democrats wanting to be reasonable and i will say nancy pelosi did take a l. she has to take the l on this and get back to the negotiation table because right now what she promised to her constituents was the post office funding,

hospital, state board of elections. right now she's going to get zero of it. now she has to get to the table to get some type of win. this is a game of runs. right now they cannot painted as republicans being the bad guys. i don't like executive orders. >> dana: lawrence, i thought basketball was a game of baskets and baseball was a game of runs. but i could be wrong. i'm probably wrong. coming up next, all eyes on joe biden as he is set to name his running mate. that decision could come at any moment, even during a commercial break. stay tuned. [ thunder rumbles ]

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some of the names you're probably hearing out there, senator kamala harris, ambassador susan rice, senator elizabeth warren, congresswoman karen bass, senator tammy duckworth, and of course michigan governor governor gretchen whitmer. i'm excited. the vice president has a few more days before the convention starts. let me start by asking dana, dana, do you have a favorite? >> dana: i have to say i really felt like i should be the one asking you this question in this segment. you might have your your to the ground a little bit better than i do. i'm anxious to find out. i love politics. i think this is an announcement we've all been waiting for because whoever he chooses, it's almost as if he is suggesting this would be the future of the democratic party. i know that most importantly he

has to decide who would be somebody that could take over as president in an instant if it was needed. he needs somebody who would be a good governing partner with him and get along and probably needs somebody who is not going to immediately start running for president the moment, if they were to win. i think we will get it fairly soon. there's been a lot of opposition research dumped on all these candidates. david axelrod tweeted that he thought joe biden should take it as a sign and i imagine he was probably suggesting at least one of the candidates is the one that's doing the dumping and that that might not be a very good loyal partner in my mind it shows whoever did it, they want to win. >> donna: i don't know if anybody is doing the oppo dumping from the democratic party but we know we have serious contenders and it's an exciting week. dagen, do you have a favorite

among the women who been listed so far? >> dagen: i don't really care who it is. i think it's going to be exciting one way or another. joe biden needs to pick somebody who can pull them back towards the middle. when danny interviewed his wife, jill, last week, was the quote? he's a moderate and that's who he's always been. he's been cutting deals with the far left trying to kind of get enthusiasm up and bring more voters and based on what he promised so far, it's kind of the mistake hillary clinton made four years ago where you are supposed to be left during the primary and move toward the middle and we know how it worked out for her. in a swing state like florida, she was leading at this time by nine percentage point. joe biden is leading by 4. >> donna: sometime when you're over the cliff you can't see what's left or right. i can tell you the platform and where the party has gone is going to help everyday americans. lawrence, you must have a favorite among this group of women. >> lawrence: don't have a

favorite with the ones that have been selected to be finalists. i think the opportunity of not picking keisha lance bottoms, the mayor of atlanta, proven record when it comes to businesses and community engagement. she's a moderate, not as progressive. i think he made a bad move on that. as i reported before that the progressive side, they want something. they have made it very clear that they want a black woman to be on the list. there was a stunning letter released today by 100 black men and i'm not talking about some little black men that don't have weight in the community. van jones, charlemagne the god, people that have a lot of influence on the progressive side and they have made it very clear that they do not want to select the lesser of two evils. that's what they said, they are titled -- tired of holding their nose to vote for candidate in one of the concessions they want is a black female.

joe biden put himself in this predicament to begin with because he said he was going to select a woman another making it very clear he has to select a black woman. >> donna: 100 years and we've had three women on major party tickets and we know them, geraldine ferraro, sarah palin, and of course hillary clinton. i am prepared to see a black woman and why not? we are super qualified, ready to leave this country and i'm excited to see such great names. greg, i know i wanted to save the best for last because 45 white males have served as vice president under know you're going to miss having a white man is a vice president. do you have a woman that you would like to see? >> greg: actually know. i don't like this playing the stupid game of gender and race. i don't give a damn what color they are. i don't give a damn what gender they are. i just want competence i want bravery. we are missing both of them in the democratic party. here are the questions that remain? number one, why did willie brown

choose to say publicly that kamala shouldn't -- should be vp but ag. it's misdirection. he's telling her she's going to be president because joe biden's lingering. he's not supposed to be there. he he's like a hovering chaperone on a date and the couple can't wait for him to bid good night so they can get down to business. sleepy joe has become lingering joe. they need a party bartender to go up to him and say joe, you don't have to go home but you can't stay here. the fact is he's not going to make it and you can't come to grips with it. you have to put two women on the ticket. i said this a year ago. the 100th anniversary of the women's right to vote, the democrats could've sewn this up with two women. if you did kamala harris and val demings, val demings the stronger candidate than either of them, than any of them. two women and two cops.

it would shore up the democrats tattered reputation for being weak on law and order, for letting cities die. that would be a real smart choice which means they won't do it. >> donna: greg, i wish i had the rest of the hour to try to clean up some of the disinformation. >> greg: you have time now. you have some time now. cleaned up the disinformation. >> donna: i am so excited to have two women at our know how much love time i have left the let me put it this way. i'm very excited we are going to have another woman on the ticket and i hope this time it's not a game. after 100 years of struggle, we are ready to have a woman on the ticket. up next, speaking of greg, we are going to discuss why more americans say they're losing faith in the media. (vo) we've got your back, road warriors. because we know you want to get back to going your speed... ...steering life at 10 and 2.

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>> greg: owed to be this dumb. >> when you see entire media companies exist to tear down joe biden, is there equivalent to that on the left, tearing down from? >> there really isn't. what i would say, it's a diet of this type of information that a lot of these voters are getting. >> greg: wait, there's no anti-trump network? even cnn admits nobody watches cnn. even if you despise trump, you've got to admit this deception dares you to laugh in its face. there isn't an anti-trump media company? there might be two dozen with cnn leading the hair on fire packed. the only reason every trump book goes to number one is because it has two cable networks doing its p.r. which explains why two recent massive survey say media is overwhelmingly biased and cannot be trusted. if only their delusional thinking were relegated to the

silly world of politics or brian stelter's head but it's not. the same people who deny this reality deny a lot of far uglier facts. rising murder rates, shootings, looting, property destruction, tax on the elderly, killings b by -- attacks on free speech, riots described as peaceful protests remember how the media pretended to find in the police with a reasonable ask? for this to succeed, they had to bury reality, like gallup surveys showing that over 80% of blacks and hispanics while the same amount or more police. funny how the white anchors never bring that up. in order for a left-wing view of the world to exist, you must pretend none of that other bad stuff exists. meaning the consequences of left-wing action a democratic leader in action. you can think a media and the left working together to preserve their power. meanwhile brian stelter denies the reality of joe biden's decline.

>> this is joe biden out there on a vigorous bike ride. not wearing a helmet but definitely wearing a mask. >> gregfox's narrative and talko narrative for months has been the joe biden is falling apart. there he is riding a bike, out for a bike ride. >> greg: cool. so if you ride a bike, you can be president. that's good news for these fellows. check them out. you know, i've got my money on the pug. he has a sound fiscal policy. >> dana: [laughs] >> greg: thank you, dana, for the courtesy laugh. i will go to you first. how could people say there's no anti-trump networks. that's the literal definition of denial. >> dana: i hope i wasn't disrupting your monologue. i was laughing through the entire thing. when i saw the topic for today, i thought it's like basically

they just make material for you for your monday monologue. there are absolutely entire networks devoted and there have been from the beginning. really not until after he won. if you remember some of them were helpful to him when he was a candidate. and then they change their tune. the other thing is if that's a vigorous bike ride, i would really like to see the candidates have to go on 45 minute intervals and then we will find out if they have vigorous bike rides. >> greg: i did it ride yesterday, 15 minutes, it's just the right amount of time to do tabata. whenever anyone describes action as vigorous, it's a dog whistle for being old. it's like oh, look how spry he is. he went right up those stairs.

>> dagen: looked, two sentences together. hear, hear. bravo. joe biden. i always learned if you can't say something nice about somebody or an entire network, don't say anything at all. i will sit here and do an audition for cnn with a sneer on my face in my mouth agape because that's the equivalent of what you get. armchair psychoanalysis of president trump for how many years? it's not really armchair. it's more like sandbox while they are eating, you know, what the cat left behind in the sand. i get nothing from this. it's the equivalent of a toddler eating toilet paper. not you but the other guy. >> greg: we would not advise that at all. lawrence, we all working tv. i envisioned that there were people in the control room or the producers and directors were cool burst out laughing when they hear somebody say something like that. they go, don't work at cnn?

>> lawrence: honestly the sad part about it is i feel they believe it which is really telling. but we laugh at this. when you're looking at this from a logical standpoint, this is hurtful to their candidate, joe biden. he's not prepared for debates. he's not prepared for real questions. it seems like every week we spent time because the president has done some big interview. we have to pick it apart, as we should, because it's the president of the united states. he's running for reelection. but we never have the opportunity to do it for joe biden because he doesn't do this type of interviews and when he does do a layout interview, we always have to talk about his gaffes and his response to every tau question is come on, man. there's going to come a point where he has to be on the debate stage. he's not going to be ready for some of those questions. he hasn't been interviewed. those questions should come before the debate stage and he hasn't been able to answer those and i don't think he's going to

be able to answer them on the debate stage either. >> greg: donna, i saved the best for last. it shouldn't joe, a very old white male, if he was truly not racist, step aside and allow a woman of color to become president? by not stepping aside, isn't he reaffirming the subtle racism we've seen them express over the past year with his commentary about blacks? >> donna: you started out the segment talking about the media and biased man's going to tell you if you look at the last five years, there's been increased polarization in the media just like it is in politics and culture. the second thing, lawrence, he has done 100 interviews. while they are not at all perfect, he's done 100 and he participated in at least 12 debates the democratic primary. maybe he doesn't answer the questions you like to hear the answer but he is capable of holding his own. >> lawrence: like when he said last week that black folks

weren't diverse. >> donna: lawrence, if i comment on everything president trump has said over the last four years. >> lawrence: we do. >> donna: you don't. you whitewash an airbrush with trump says every day. >> lawrence: actually i don't. >> donna: here's the point i want to make. we are going to get to see joe biden and donald trump, two men in their 70s. by the way, i don't think 70 is old. i know some of you do. i do believe if he is up for the job and he can handle a job, like president reagan was able to handle the job in president trump, and let's debate the merits of their proposals and their issues. >> lawrence: this is why biden isn't ready. every single time we have a conversation about biden, his surrogates and people who support him go to president trump. he's got to be able to defend what is ideology is. >> donna: lawrence, have me on your show and i can bring it down so well. so when you talk about joe biden

and his racism, i can tell you about trump and his racism. it has white supremacy we are fighting, not just white candidates. >> greg: all right, enough. another weekend of chaos. violence breaking out in cities across america. its white supremacy gone wild! not really. crazy scene at the head on "the five" "

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take a look. >> they are a revolutionary group that is interested in some form of socialism, communism. they are essentially bolsheviks. their tactics are fascist. the left wants power because that's essentially their state of grace and their secular religion. they want to run people's lives so they can design utopia for all of us and that's what turns them on. it's the lust for power. >> lawrence: all right, greg. should we expect this? it's not going to change unless the same type of policies are ran in the cities. >> greg: is not going to end until city leaders find their spines which is a distinct possibility. i've never seen a more prophetic array of sad clowns from ted wheeler to lori lightfoot to de blasio. they condemn the law and then hide when the looting starts. i want to point out there's a really disturbing trend going on

in this criminal activity. there's too many incidents of looting going on at the same time. it's coordinated. it's not about protests, everybody knows it. it's a new strategy that if you realize you coordinate the caravans you could overwhelm the police. so now everybody needs to have the police work overtime before they didn't want the police but my point is this is not looting. it's an insurgency. you've got to stop talking about police. police being the problem. this is now an insurgency of organized crime. if you want to -- if an army was invading your city and doing the same thing, how would you expect your city to respond? you have to think like that. this is what happened in my neighborhood downtown. you can't stop it. completely overwhelmed, unless you overwhelm it with force. dialogue and pleading with them and telling them you're helping trump with the optics, that doesn't work.

either that or we just don't care and we let the cities burn because of their leaders don't care, then why should you? >> lawrence: dana, the mayor of chicago didn't act at first but now she saying that they will come for them. take a look. >> those who engaged in this criminal behavior, let's be clear. we are coming for you. we are already at work in finding you and we intend to hold you accountable for your actions. i don't care. i did not care. whatever justification was given for this, there is no justification for criminal behavior ever. >> lawrence: dana, they let it happen before and then they let all those people out of jail. is it too late? >> dana: earlier today, one of our reporters, garrett tenney in chicago, was reporting but as greg was pointing out, the looting taking place in the same place had it taken before and one of the stores that he showed

was an intermix store and inside after you have the same kind of destruction. he had just opened since the last protests, opened about two weeks ago. if you are intermixed, would you think it's a great neighborhood for us to have a shop? twice is probably enough. one of the things he also reported is that some of the looters that they felt like they could get away with it because nobody got in trouble the first time. perhaps mayor lightfoot is ready to show more force here. >> lawrence: i've been on the ground reporting in chicago for the last month and this is the first weekend i didn't get a call to travel monday because a baby was killed. when is it going to end? >> donna: as you well know, there was a similar type, not like chicago but in d.c. we had -- look, last night was a blatant display of criminal behavior. i think the mayor's right, the police superintendent is absolutely right.

these are looters. they came out with a coordinated attack, not just on those buildings but also on the police. this occurred after something happened in chicago on sunday where a young man was shot by the police, a young man shot at the police and while this was going on, it was happening on social media. we should not conflate peaceful protests which we've seen over the past few months with these violent looters. >> greg: no one has. >> donna: we shouldn't. the mayor is absently right. not just the mayor of chicago but the mayors in many major cities today are dealing with an increase in gun violence. we should attack at and we should figure out the source and continued she tried to get the police and the community to work together. >> lawrence: juan, it seems like leaders are being reactive. when you disband the anti-crime units and all the cities, when

you tell the cops to hold back, who are having a great conversation about policing and community relations together. when you paint all law enforcement officers, that's the problem and you take away their ability to do their job, should we expect it? >> dagen: i have been talking about it literally for years. first it's a quality of life crimes. public and defecation. we will turn a blind eye. 90% of crimes. it's lawlessness begets lawlessness. inaction begets inaction and you're seeing it play out across countries. this will be the election of public safety. these democrats, joe biden and whoever he picks, they ought to speak loudly and often, condemning what's going on in the cities, even condemning the actions and words of some of these mayors and governors in

these states. it's appalling what happened and watch out because people are arming themselves, legally, gun sales have doubled in july from a year ago. the largest increase among demographic groups in the first six months this year's among black americans. then we're going to start talking about the second amendment rights because if you live in new york city, you don't have any. here a sitting duck and you're just walking on the street every day just waiting to get mugged and that's what's going on the people going to put a stop to it. the blue-collar voters in the midwest, they believe in their right to bear arms. democrats are going to get blindsided by this. >> lawrence: at the same time, greg. go ahead, dana. >> dana: i wanted to point out something. you might remember, i think it was on friday that i talked about a friend of mine who had left her apartment in the city that had been grabbed by the hair by homeless person.

the doorman of the building pushed the guy. that happened two weeks ago. the police came. they walked him two blocks down and let him go. guess what happened on saturday? she's taking her little girl to park. a different homeless guy grabs her by the hair again and tries to drag her away and the same thing happened. they walk him two blocks away and say don't come back here. so guess what happened. they left the city. they went to stay with friends in the suburbs because that's a safer place to be. last week when governor cuomo was saying please come back. i'll buy you dinner. nobody cares about dinner. they want to make sure they can have a safe place to live. they loathed the city but it took 30 years to get it to the -- they loved the city but it took 30 years to get people feeling safe and comfortable and i took two months to destroy it. >> dagen: cuomo is talking to

his friends who have security details and they can get a concealed carry permit in new york city because they are rich and they know the governor. people are trying to raise families, taking the subway to work every day. we are all at risk in the city and across the nation. >> donna: we should do something about it. this is the time to do something, especially during the summer when we always see an uptick in violent crimes across the country. especially gun violence. this is the time for us to focus on it. if we are going to solve it, we have to make sure the community is working with the police department across the country. >> lawrence: if you can see the bottom of your screen, we are waiting for the president to come for his news conference. greg, the governor is begging people to me back but de blasio says i don't want you to go back. this is the greatest city, even though our people shooting up

drugs and shootings are happening in the city. we don't need you to come back. >> greg: de blasio is not a politician that lives off the success of the past. he's done nothing for the city but the city became so beloved in its modern nature among tourists. transformed itself from the '70s to the '90s thanks to giuliani and bloomberg. he had to do nothing. >> lawrence: it looks like we have the president. >> president trump: i thought i start by talking about mail-in voting that just was really, just the news. have a million incorrect absentee ballot applications were sent all across the state of virginia. including too many dead people. this was an unprecedented mailing flub that's heightened concerns about the integrity of

expanding mail-in voting and mail-in voting efforts. it's a disaster. all over virginia. half a million votes. so that's something that you have to think about. we don't want to have a rigged election. i know that. you have to be very careful when you mention as you constantly do, russia. or you mention china or you mention iran or others that attack our election system. when you have this mail-in voting, it's very susceptible. this is something that can be easily attacked by foreign countries and by frankly democrats and by republicans. i think that it's something you have to start thinking about very seriously. our system is not equipped for it. the post office is not equipped for it. people should vote, like they did in world war i and world war ii. your numbers will be in 90 days

or less, your numbers will be very good i think much better on the coronavirus or the china virus. but it's something you have to look at and say this is just crazy. this came out, half a million incorrect ballot applications from all over the state of virginia to many people that weren't living. they had some sent to pets, dogs. this is what we are going to get into here and it's going to be a disaster. it's going to be thought a very poorly. it's going to hurt our country. after our news conference saturday night and the pro-growth announcement, we are pro-jobs, prohealth safety, executive orders. the stock market went up 358 points today. we issued those executive orders and the stock market went up 358 points today. it's quite a reaction.

the dow jones and the s&p 500 are now up 50% since march. 50%. if you had money in there, if you put your money in march, you'd have 50%. the nasdaq index continues to set new records. it went up over 14 times. new record, nasdaq. the s&p 500 and the dow jones are going to be -- i mean, the way they are going, it looks like they are just going to be topping records hopefully soon. >> dana: all right, the president just started his news conference and then he was whisked out. somebody whispered something to him from the side. we don't know what that was. we will definitely keep -- we have fox news reporters there. we have our producers they will

try to find out as quickly as possible. that's very unusual. when the president turns a news conference, for him to be pulled out, it must mean there's something he really needs to know or they need his attention on. they didn't rush him out. in a hurried way, it seemed calm and orderly. again, the president was just doing the press conference. we don't know what was said. we will try to get to a reporter in the room if we have one. it's possible that with the agent said to the president was picked up on the microphone. i couldn't hear it. i don't know if any my colleagues who are here. it was not our day to have a reporter in the room. because of coronavirus, you have to stagger the people you have there. maybe i will bring in some of my colleagues here. donna brazile, as you know, you've worked in washington for a long time. it could be nothing. it could be hey, you need to take this phone call. or it might be something there

was a little more serious. thoughts from you? >> donna: i was listening to what the president was saying and all of a sudden i started hearing whispering and i'm on a small screen here. and then i saw, i guess that was someone from the secret service come and escort him out. hopefully everything is okay. given everything that's happening these days, we just don't know. >> dana: eight there is, greg, you always have to be aware. the president is always the president. you can go and do a news conference and you can throughout the first pitch at a baseball game and it doesn't matter. at any point you can be called because you are the decider in chief. >> greg: whenever something leaves you with this giant space of uncertainty, you want to fill it. so your brain is naturally filling it. is somebody ill? is something happening? you don't want to speculate. you don't know. we hope it's nothing or did

something benign. i don't know. i've never seen that happen before. >> dana: the only time i remember seeing it happen, it doesn't matter. it was way back in my previous career. now you have a lot of reporters who are outside. you have secret service. we are trying to get john roberts to be able to help us here as we try to figure out why the president was asked to leave the briefing room. it might not be anything very serious at all but it's very unusual to interrupt a president at a public event that americans have been waiting for all day. because he was going to give an update on these executive actions, as america continues to figure out how to deal with the consequences of this pandemic, the economic consequences. you have reporters, they are on the phone. it doesn't seem like they seem to know a lot.

it does appear perhaps it was something, either they were told to go on-site. i can imagine that, reporters were told to leave or they could be told to go back inside. we will see if we can get john roberts in just a moment. they are trying to do that. he should be up and around there in a moment. we have bret baier's show coming up in a moment. dagen mcdowell, any thoughts? we wait to find out. secret service are giving direction to reporters to move them to another location. >> dagen: not to throw it back at you but talk about working in the white house and how vigilant the secret service are. in terms of being on top of any noise or any movement even outside the white house, even around the perimeter. you can speak to that. >> dana: it's interesting that you say that, dagen. one of the things that i will say and i think our

secret service is the best in the world. they are overly cautious which can be good. you want to make sure you're safe. the president of the united states, no matter who he or she is, is the number one target for terrorists around the world or for assassinations and executions. so you want to make sure you're always protected. when you're in that bubble, the closer you are to them, they're more concerned you might be unless you have the united states secret service who takes care of you and make sure that the 18 acres of the white house are secure, as you look out there. i believe this is a view from the press briefing room looking out onto what would have been i believe the north lawn of the white house. that's the north be right there. that's the north portico. you see were the trees are the right side of your screen. reporters, our own john roberts, kristin fisher, when they are doing their reports, they are by

the trees and it seems that's where the secret service -- i'm sorry, where the camera was pointing at the time. in case you're just tuning in, just to remind you. now we have information. the secret service has sent everybody back into the white house. that must mean that perhaps they were worried about something going on outside. that's the view. that's the view outside. when you're in the white house press briefing room, that's looking out towards the north lawn and you see the secret service agent there. or capitol police. or maybe that is secret service. thank you, lawrence. uniformed. the president was giving his news conference. he had just started. he was giving the opening comments and he was talking about mail-in ballots. they you have another, well.

>> lawrence: that's secret service. >> dana: those of the guys that want protecting you 100%. >> lawrence: dana, quickly, it does give me some calm that there wasn't a rush to get the president out. normally you see the secret service physically lift the president out. what you are seeing outside is the separation. inside the white house typically the guys in suits are ppd, presidential protection detail. the guys outside with the long gods, as you are saying, united states secret service, uniform division. same training, different group. normally see them with long guns. >> dana: if i could interrupt. i think we have some good news that they are going to restart the briefing suit which must mean that whatever the disturbance was or the concern, hopefully it's been alleviated. john roberts, do we have you with us? >> hey, dana. i am in the briefing room and i will have to leave in a couple seconds because the president is coming back in.

i was out on the north lawn position as the president started his news conference and heard a couple what sounded like either like gunshots or firecrackers. it was difficult to ascertain exactly what it was. it was two pops, very close together, very loud. secret service sprang into action. uniform division as well as the agents and he saw them take the president away as well as the team. hi, it's john. can you tell me what happened? yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah. okay. >> dana: john roberts is getting a phone call with information. >> dana, apparently shots were fired at 17th and penn, the shots came from somewhere else and apparently now the secret service is rendering aid to someone who was hit. so we do not know if it was a

self-inflicted gunshot wound or if somebody was shooting at someone else but again, 17th and penn just as the president started. there is secret service station there, security all over. the shots were initiated -- >> dana: john roberts, i'm going to thank you. bret baier, take it away. >> bret: the president, dana, thank you, is back in the briefing room. let's listen as he returns after shots fired near the white house. >> president trump: there was a shooting outside of the white house and it seems to be very well under control, i'd like to thank the secret service for doing their always quick and very effective work. there was an actual shooting and somebody has been taken to the hospital, i don't know the condition of the person. seems that the person was shot by the secret service,