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>> trace: proof there turbulence around the world. volatile time for us. >> sandra: it is indeed. we'll keep covering it here on the fox news channel. grate to be with you this morning. "outnumbered" starts now. >> trace: you, too. >> harris: we begin with a fox news alert. seattle's police chief carmen best resigned. in a surprising move, just hours after the city council voted to slash the police budget. decision which would cut 100 police officers and reduce the police chief's salary. chief best announced she will be retiring next month. she told officers in a letter, "i am confident the department will make it through these difficult times. you truly are the best police department in the country. please trust me when i say the vast majority of the people in seattle support you and appreciate you and i look
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forward to see how the department moves forward through the procession of reenviesing public -- re-envisioning public safety." the decision is after the seattle police were told to stand down as the protesters took over a six-block area of seattle neighborhood for weeks. remember this? the occupation. also, they protested outside the police chief's own home. you are watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today fox business anchor dagen mcdowell. fox news correspondent gillian turner. executive director of serve america pac and the fox news contributor marie harf. joining us today, i haven't seen him in a while. we're glad he is back. former chie chief of staff for mitch mcconnell, josh holmes in the virtual house. >> josh: good to see you. >> harris: good to see you. >> josh: good to see you, harris. >> harris: chart with chief best and what could not have be an easy decision for her. why was it necessary? >> josh: i think a lot of us
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hoped that ewould never get to the point that americans are suffering the consequence of prolonged liberal government of american cities but the consequences are here. and with this particular case, the real problem honestly is you can't over time disrespect, defund the police department, pretend like they don't exist. the concerns about the community are non-existent. you can't do those things and then hope that good people will choose to serve the communities. what we have seen in seattle, perfect example of the neglect of the police department, law enforcement in general that unfortunately in the end means a qualified police chief decided to walk away. >> harris: dagen, this hurts on so many levels. you and i have been talking for months now about the accomplishment but the continuing need to address issues of race relations, citizen relations among the police officers. finding the evil ones among
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them. both sides of the issue of policing and also just human beings getting along. can they get along? losing a diversity player as high up to the top as this at this time in this country, that does some damage. >> dagen: it does. carmen best is the first black woman to hold that job as the police chief in the city of seattle. but she has stood by and watched a city council let the mobs rule and let the mobs win if you will. this started with the taking of the police precinct. the police precinct was surrendered to occupiers. she pushed back. she pushed back when the city council banned the use of pepper spray. she disagreed with that decision, calling in to question how her officers would do their jobs in trying to control the increasingly violent crowds of people.
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then her home that was essentially, it was targeted by what she called aggressive protesters. her neighbors had to jump in and stop the trespassing, or stop what else might have followed. she said at the time the behavior must be denounced. this devolves in to way of doing business by mob rule. and the city council is allowing this to happen. i just want to raise the issue of where are all these giant businesses that are based in an around seattle. amazon, starbucks, costco, nordstrom to stand up and say we are not going to tolerate this? we are not going to have basically a few aggressive, violent anarchists control our city and we are not going to let this woman leave. >> harris: i have a guess of where they are, dagen. they are caught between the incredible, incredible amount of privilege through their bottom line that they have per
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the workers they are so blessed to get at those corporations that keep them whole throughout whatever process. they are caught between that and whatever wokefulness means at this juncture when people are looting, breaking and stealing things. they are caught in the middle. my question is how are they going to get out of that? you can't stay stuck. marie? >> marie: i thought one of the most interesting part of her resignation letter thought about how most people in seattle do support the police. it is worth remembering that the anarchists that are doing the looting are a very, very small number of people. that is an important thing to remember when we see pictures that are obviously concerning. most of seattle residents don't support defunding the police. and support reforming the police. so that is the conversation that the city council awkwardly waded in to. they pulled back on some of
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the initial proposals but i don't think they are a model on how the city council should try to look at the funding to see if some of it could be better spent elsewhere. this is a complicated, messy situation. i think that a lot of cities are going to be looking at how do we fund the police departments and reallocate some of the money in a better way? this is an unfortunate situation all the way around, losing the police chief as a result. >> harris: i wonder about the time, though. they have had so many days to do ma what you are talking about. then my question is who the heck are they listening to? the people in the streets don't have a cohesive leader. it's b.l.m., the organization, b.l.m., the movement. very different things in most cases and most people's minds out there peacefully protesting. then, you know, what some police and the mayors are calling attempted murders as they lock doors to exits and buildings they set fires in. >> gillian: in this case, harris, the thing about
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government budget cuts whether it's at the national level, the state level, the city level. they only work when they are made at a time that fits in with the annual budgeting process. it never works when the cuts are made midway through a cycle like they are done now because they end up being haphazard. they end up causing a lot more harm and making the problems they are trying to solve worse. this is what happened when the new york city council cut the nypd budget, slashed by $1 billion. it's happening now in seattle. the cuts are made in reaction to and in response to what is perceived as the national mood. that is very problematic. that is irresponsible way to do the process of government. budgeting in a case like this is a perfect example of the city council doing their citizens, the constituents a clear disservice. even if you agree that the police budget should be cut, this is still not the appropriate way, the
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responsible way to do it. >> harris: meanwhile, portland police declared an unlawful assembly on the 74th street night of protest where the police were again attacked. in this chicago, protesters rallied to support more than 100 people arrested in the widespread looting and rioting sunday night. 13 officers injured in that. now the "wall street journal" editorial board is writing this. "all of this raises the question of how long the main stream press and democratic politician can publicly maintain the fiction that violence surrounding mostly peaceful protest is a nuisance of little consequence and that the real villains are the police. the longer this willful distortion continues the longer the economic imminerasiot of chicago will persist even after the pandemic ends." you know, josh, i come to you because we are talking about where the messages come from
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to make changes. what is your thought on this? >> josh: situation needs to be done. you have to have the courage to call a situation what it is. this has nothing to do with george floyd. this has nothing to do with the police brutality, equality and justice. all the things we had a conversation about in june morphed to lawlessness in cities across the united states. i fear as the "wall street journal" clearly articulated this will have a prolonged effect. you remember in the decade past we had a huge migration of american cities to the suburbs where you had no investment in what became the slums across this country. that would be the tragedy the likes of which, i don't know that we fully wrap our heads around. but that is going to happen unless you have the leadership here. it's provided by a bunch of the liberal democrats what control the entirety of the governance of all of the cities over decades and
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decades and decades. i don't see anything happening there any time soon. unfortunately, the idea they will have a reform vote in november to replace some of the things i think is sort of a fantasy. but this is something that people i think dagen mentioned earlier, the businesses in seattle. yes. everyone needs to be involved in this. and try to drag people to the table. to get the cities to a point where they can function again. >> harris: i argue josh, and again this is from my perspective, having covered the unrest in this country and the other countries that you know, there is no one for them to have that conversation with. the businesses sit back because they don't want to look upon as taking a side against, you know, wokefulness because they have the people among their staff who they had to have talks with. i guess we have the people to allow to get ready to politically what they need to do and be in the streets. corporations could also step in and say it would be helpful
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if you didn't protest on days of work. i don't know. i think they can do those things. does it even matter? that at least means they might not be out there at 3:00 in morning. i don't know, dagen. i'm putting crayons on the canvas here. >> dagen: i'll say this. money talks and the corporations have money. and money walks. they can go to another state. ultimately that is what causes the downward spiral. they are living, the city council in seattle and these mayors and the governors are living in the left wing land of the lost. that they are winking at this mayhem in their streets and they are allowing the lawlessness. so what is going to go done. again, this is not just about a couple of molotov cocktails thrown at some cops, okay? it's about standing by and watching the stores being looted and watching the businesses being destroyed. watching the livelihoods
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crumble in front of the television audience. and then that is a loss of the jobs. that is cities that are dismated. thos -- decimated and thebidses. then you have a downward financial spiral -- >> harris: is that happening? are we seeing the businesses leave? >> dagen: this started playing out. in new york it's been a couple of years. but in places like portland and seattle, you will see the businesses leave. the tax base gets smaller and the crime gets worse. i don't know. what is their ideology in the citys? apathy? is that it? is the ideology complete disregard for the livelihood and the human life? that is the way it looks. >> harris: wow! we'll move on. joe biden announcement of the vice presidential pick is said to be imminent. a group of prominent black men making a last-minute pitch to the presumptive democratic
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ben crump and the radio host charlemaine signed a letter to urge biden to select a black woman for his running mate. it reads in part, "for too long women have been asked to rally troop and risk their lives if for democratic party with no respect, no visibility and certainly not enough support. faming to select a black woman -- failing to select a black woman in 2020 means you will lose the election." marie, if he loses a woman everyone after choosing a black woman, what does that say? >> marie: i don't think joe biden will lose the election. although it's anyone's guess. a lot can happen between now and november. >> harris: do you blame the woman? >> marie: if it happens, no. blame the person at the top of the ticket. i have no doubt that -- >> harris: people vote for the person at the top of the ticket. >> right. i expect him to pick a black woman. i expect it to come today or
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tomorrow. there are impressive folks on the list. i think whoever it is will bring enthusiasm to the ticket and be a partner for joe biden. i want to come out now because i'm excited to get to talk about it. i'm ready. >> harris: so if joe biden wins or loses and he doesn't pick a black female, was it her fault again? i'm trying to figure out if you really merit someone if you really value them, and you want to put them on your ticket, pretty much everybody knows that the person that you vote for is at the top of the ticket. i don't understand how this is a repo reformation of them not getting their due in the party. i'm curious about that. is that something that joe biden can fix by just picking one? >> it sends historical symbol
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to have the first black woman on the vice presidential ticket. it was important when we nominated barack obama and when we nominated hillary clinton. but it's not everything. it's important. i remember when people worked for pete buttigieg said it was important to see a gay man be a presidential contender. the symbols do matter and there are a lot of really qualified black women. but at the end of the day people vote for the person at the top of the ticket. i agree with you on that. >> harris: symbols. josh, a block woman is a symbol in this scenario. i'll try not to be offended. >> josh: yeah. well, look, the great conundrum of democrats in 2020. they care so much about black american women they nominated the oldest white guy in the field. so box yourself in with a choice to say you will nominate an african-american woman to the ticket is somehow
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paying lip service to a sentiment they claim they have. this is a problem were democrats all the way around. i think joe biden made a strategic mistake to make identity the core qualifying aspect to his nominee. not because it shouldn't be a black woman but it will be the qualifications by way everybody looks at the nomination, which is completely absurd. >> harris: i find it interesting that the man who was the first black president v.p. has to be told to hire someone of color, a black woman. i am coming at this with a lot of question. >> dagen: can we have someone at least talk to the former vice president about he talks to about black americans from what he said -- >> harris: i'll get him on the phone. we need to have it with him. >> dagen: can he sit down for an interview with you, please? >> harris: i'm asking. >> dagen: right. exactly. what he said to chalamayne and
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then how black americans think versus latino americans talking about referring to someone to his face as, are you a junkie, i think. there is a lot to the vice president running mate needs to bring to the table. like energy and to go out there and campaign. and to make sure that the black americans who turned their back on hillary clinton and didn't go to the polls. it was one third of the 4.4 million obama voters in 2012 didn't come out. there is a lot that his running mate will bring to the table here. look at the women interviewed for the running mate spot. you are getting a good look at what an administration would look like, what a cabinet would look like. >> harris: here is the
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president weighing in on joe biden's v.p. selection. watch. >> president trump: he roped himself in to a certain group of people. >> he said he had to pick a woman. >> president trump: he said that. people don't vote for the vice president. they don't. they don't vote for a vice president. in the end it won't matter. joe has to stand on his own two feet. >> harris: gillian? >> gillian: here is an interesting thing, harris. the trump campaign today rolling out a new ad in five early voting states making the case trying to paint biden as a far let, radical democrat idealogue. taxes and immigration. they are searching for a way to ratchet up his unfavorability with the people. they feel this is the best strategy to take on. this is the best, it would clinch the deal for them in
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2016 with hillary clinton. i would argue that whether they make a success of riding this message all the way home will have a greater impact on the outcome of the general election than whoever biden chooses and the running mate. so far the trump administration has really struggled in their effort to paint joe biden as highly undesirable and the unlikable. like with hillary clinton. if this is turning thefor them as the campaign manager says is going to it will have more of an impact. >> i want a click last word from you on that. what do you think of that? >> josh: i'm sorry, harris. i had a crack in the feed here. want to repeat, please? >> harris: i want to know what you thought about what gillian was saying. >> josh: i think they have a lot of challenges in front of
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them here. i think v.p. selection process is going to be basically a lot to do about nothing. the trump campaign is looking for something to engage biden on because he has been stuck in his basement for the last four months so this is an opportunity for a full exchange of the ideas and hopefully draw it out to a larger debate which the two campaigns can get at it. we haven't seen a traditional campaign thus far. that is disappointing a lot of voters. >> harris: wow! it does make me scratch my head. what if this is the exception and the one time around that the person on the second tier of the ticket actually is something that people will look at to vote? that is what a group of black men, prominent black men said. if you don't pick a black woman you will lose the election. i wonder how they know that. a lot of the finger-pointing as the talks on the new round of the coronavirus stimulus have broken down. democrats are pinning blame on republicans. now the white house is hitting
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beirut lebanon days after the catastrophic explosion that killed more than 200 people. thousands of others were injured. our own trey yingst has been reporting live from the ground. here is a glimpse of the scene just a short time ago. watch. >> you can see demonstrators throwing rocks toward the security forces on the other side of the barrier. there is growing frustration today following a new report based on documents. saying that government officials here in lebanon knew about the ammonium nitrate, the thousands of the tons of substance sitting in the port and they did nothing about it. that has only added to the tension that has erupted across the country in the previous days as we do know that hassan diab, the prime minister of minister resigne led yesterday with his entire cabinet. there is uncertainty where
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they head from here. >> harris: all that cos after the lebanon prime minister and you just heard him saying their government resigned yesterday. putting that responsibility in the hands of others. more as we get it. >> the democrats are playing hardball. their opponents aren't us republicans. not really. they are playing hardball against kids, workers, and vulnerable americans who need help. playing hard ball against the medical system. >> this is not a both sides to blame situation. democrats are willing to compromise. republicans are being intransigent and will not move from their position which is inadequate for the needs of america. >> dagen: top lawmakers are facing off over who is to blame for the breakdown of the coronavirus stimulus talks. the chances of a bill now not looking good at this point with no further negotiations set between the white house
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and congressional democrats. the stalemate leading the president to take executive action addressing some of the issues like unemployment benefits and evictions. white house economic adviser larry kudlow says the additional unemployment benefits will go out in two weeks. in an op-ed in the "washington post" that says this about the president's execive orders. "the episode offers a sobering illustration of the limits of presidential power and the imperative of congressional involvement. even when the president uses the full extent of his executive authority, the relief he can provide without additional funds or authorization from congress is restricted. the lesson of trump's orders in other words is not that the president alone can save us. it's that he can't." josh, do you own this? it might not be as much money and as broad of a rescue package of what congress would put together but the president got in charge, stood up and
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said i'm not going to wait around for this. i can get money out while i can. he has the democrats on the ropes here, does he not? >> josh: yeah. it was a good move by the president. he had no choice, frankly. the fact we still refer to this as a stalemate is a complete failure of journalism on capitol hill. this is not a stalemate at all. this is a pet that nancy pelosi and chuck schumer made they would never be held accountable by the press for essentially sabotaging any deal or any relief to the american people. they decided to make demands for $3 trillion bill. when people say no, they say why wouldn't you negotiate with us? why wouldn't we negotiate it? i think if most americans knew what it was that they were asking for, they would be appalled. for instance, in order to provide unemployment for americans who are currently suffering, the over $20 millio20 millionpeople unemployf the coronavirus. to provide that benefit they
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want a tax cut to blue state millionaires to deduct from the taxes, their incredibly high tax from the blue state. that is the most outrageous tax policy and it's incredible they have gotten away with it to this point. they passed a bill that said manufacture cannabis more times than it said jobs -- it said, "cannabis" more times than it said, "jobs." this is about a bad economy that works for democrats in a way they will never be held accountable for. >> dagen: marie, i said this on the show that the republicans sat back in june and july and didn't address this until late. the democrats pelosi and schumer were going for all or nothing. rather than say taking up a one-week extension of the extra $600 extension of the unemployment benefits or extension through the end of the year something smaller proposed by republican senators. they took an all or nothing approach and the democrats got the american people nothing.
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>> marie: this is frustrating. i sound like a broken record on this. we knew it would be a tough negotiation. everybody knew that. we knew when the deadline was. the democrats passed a bill in may. if josh's complaints about the bill mirror the republican caucus in the senate, which i'm sure they probably do in large extent why were the republicans in the senate not at the negotiating table for all of june or all of july? why did they only come to the table two days before the expiration? i have never heard a good answer for that, dagen, why they wasted two months. let me finish. i agree, i agree both sides need to compromise. democrats have given on a number of things. they have come down on a number of dollar figures and the republicans moved on some as well. both sides have moved a little bit here. >> dagen: i want to ask josh, though, why did the republicans, you work for mitch mcconnell. i assume they didn't take it up in may, maybe it was behind the scenes negotiations.
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i assumed it was because they thought the economy would be bouncing back and the coronavirus would fade as the summer progressed. >> harris: who thought that? sorry. >> josh: there are two reasons for that. the first is the most important which is they passed the largest relief package in the history of the united states. over $2 trillion in to the economy immediately. it should probably be a standard practice to figure out what it is the heck that did before you start to legislate more. here is a perfect illustration of why that is the way to go here. democrats asked for $900 billion in additional state and the local funding. the staple state an staple statg the -- the same funding that is defunding the police department. this is still 57% full of the c.a.r.e.s. act. they haven't spent 75% of the money given in april. why would you put in another $900 billion in there? that is what this is about. this is not a real
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negotiation. >> dagen: harris, do you, what i was saying if these states were already opening up, right, in may? it wasn't the weather i referred to in the summer. the states thought they had the virus under control somewhat? it bounced back. >> harris: science is showing us that wasn't true. so that is what i'm saying. who believed there was a magic wand we were going to pass after memorial day that was going to magically open the economy and make it workable again and we wouldn't need help and all of that? we had signs trouble was coming down the pike. with covid-19 and the numbers popping. by the way, all of this around the time of may 25, george floyd's death. so now you have millions of people pouring in the veet and unrest in a tender spot and
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broken-heartedness and the rioting and other things popping off. there was never a perfect litmus that we could pass back in may anyway. they needed to be working on this. both sides of the aisle. there were no signs that it would be perfect. >> dagen: indeed. the american civil liberties union calling for an end to a major federal agency citing the federal government's response to violence in portland. what the organization wants and whether it goes too far. 1 in 2 kids is underhydrated.
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>> harris: the head of the american civil liberties say it's time to scrap the department of homeland security. writing in an op-ed, "years of chaos and immunity make a clear case for dismandaling of d.h.s. -- dismantling of d.h.s. president trump's use of d.h.s. as a personal militia
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should start a meaningful debate about their future. if there is one thing we learned from the authoritarianism on display in portland we have to remove the loaded weapon that sits on the proverbial coffee table in the oval office." gillian turner, a previous lane of her life with knowing all about national security. if you get rid of the d.h.s., you get rid of the national guard, fema, coast guard, customs board of pal -- 187 federal agencies. maybe you repurpose them. i don't know. what is this about? >> gillian: well, in one sense, harris, this is really for the aclu, a very logical extension of something else that they advocates a couple of years ago the abolishment of i.c.e. to some people even today that is sort of the original impetus, the seed that grew in to what we are seeing today which is calls to defund the police nationwide, calls to defund the military.
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from that perspective, the latest move from the aclu is not surprising. it is shocking from the perspective of being an ordinary american citizen who looks at government and their primary responsibility to ensure the safety and the security of its own citizens from the external harm. that is the very embodiment of what it was created to do. it's not a perfect government agency. no government agency in the history of the world has ever been. but i point to remarks that the acting secretary made last week in front of congress, chad wolfe, he said the mission of d.h.s. has really changed in the trump administration. it has now become to go in to vulnerable communities around the country and to help augment police departments that are falling apartment, police departments that are overwhelmed by violence and looting and protect the most
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vulnerable citizens there. from that perspective, this is a very objectionable policy and it begs the question without the department of homeland security what else could the american government really do? i would argue not a lot. >> harris: is that the goal, dagen? to don't be able to do anything? i'm starting to wonder if a et beer question might be what came first, the chicken or the egg? was it that the policysies that would come downstream, like doing away with the d.h.s., defunding the police department, dit id come first? or rioting in the streets that forced the hand? what do you think? >> dagen: president trump has been blamed for the violence and the unrest and the mayhem in portland because of those federal officers that were sent in legally, i might add, to protect a courthouse. now they are standing back while the violence is still going on night after night after night.
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so again, that logic and that rationale laid out by the left went, you know, went right down the commode. that being said, i think that this is the statements they play right in the language that you are hearing from the left. the use of the word "storm trooper" or "gestapo" to paint trump as adolf hitler. this is the same, you are hearing the same language in this. trump's personal militia. again, i think to your point, these are people doing their jobs and are enforcing the law. you can disban d.h.s., but these different divisions of it are still going to be there. >> harris: what is life going to be like potentially without d.h.s., josh? if that were to happen. >> josh: well, you know, hopefully we'll never have to find out. look, their problem, the aclu's problem is not with d.h.s., it's with law
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enforcement. it's with local police. it's with as gillion talked about, it with i.c.e. and federal law enforcement. i found it fascinating in the letter they said the one thing to learn from portland and then they go on to criticize d.h.s. the one thing we have learn is the federal law enforcement? no. after burning the city to the studs, the problem is not law enforcement. i assure you. >> harris: marie are you concerned how we talk about these things and the labels we put on each other at this point, you know, "gestapo" and "paratrooper" preventing a moment we can come back together again? people will vilify each other so much. by the way the from agents live in the communities. they didn't just pop up on the earth. these are our neighbors, some of them. >> marie: yeah, harris, i have worked with d.h.s. a lot in my time at the c.u.a c.i.a. d
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the state department. they were formed after 9/11 to bring together preexisting agencies and new ones and i think we need to talk about their mission. it has changed a lot in those years. it's been in flux. we don't know what it is anymore. you can still have the t.s.a. and the coast guard and the secret service but not have this agency that had been overly bureaucratic and has actually not been particularly effective in many ways. so we absolutely need a conversation about the d.h.s. after this administration. it doesn't mean we are not taking our security seriously. it means we put a big bureaucracy in place after a specific event. it may not have the right mission anymore. >> harris: dagen, your hand is in the hair. air. you have ten seconds. >> dagen: marie, the democrat is advocating for less government bureaucracy. you go, girl.
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>> harris:s with the 240,000 employees. put it in the bottle. a "washington post" columnist questions the need for the republican party to even exist. why she says that president trump has sealed the g.o.p.'s base.
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>> harris: a new "washington post" op-ed questions whether the united states needs republican party. >> dagen: columnist reuben wrote the unpleasant truth for those expected to say there are fine people in both parties is that aside from a few stray governors and senator mitt romney there really are not fine people running the republican party. they have sold their souls to trump. either passively or actively bought in to white supremacy and religious authoritarianism. josh, tim scott is not a fine person i guess is what she is saying. she is anti-trump blogger. what do you make of this? >> josh: listen. jennifer rube season patient zero and the embodiment of someone lost their minds by having president trump in the oval office. i don't encourage your viewers to read her column. i mean i think it is proven to decrease your i.q. by ten
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points by laying eyes on it. it's nuts. i would love to spend a full segment talking about why it's nuts. >> dagen: if she is lecturing people on how to be conservative i'm going a circuit to teach people how to be dolly parton. >> marie: you could do that. it's one thing to say they are not conservative enough or not on board with the team instead of taking it seriously. steve schmidt and others said there is something fundamentally wrong inside the republican party led by trump today. what happens after trump will be important for the party. i don't pretend to give republicans advice. it's worth listening to the fellow conservatives and not dismissing them. >> dagen: we are dismissing steve schmidt, too. gillian, the final word. >> gillian: dolly, the thing is throw the baby out with the
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bath water. the problem with that number one you are left with a one party system. you have to look to the worst countries on planet earth today to find out why that is not a good idea for anybody. china, north korea, russia, iran. >> dagen: you only get one point. thank you, everybody. "outnumbered overtime" after the break.
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♪ >> harris: take away budget and police officers in chicago, and we may be able to find out what happens next. this is "outnumbered overtime" and i'm harris faulkner. chicago remains on edge as protesters rounded a police station last night. some of them demanding the release of those arrested were looting the night before. this is chicago's mayor and the police superintendent were pressed on whether the city's handling of rioting earlier this summer encouraged

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