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>> that is going to do it for us on "america's newsroom," great working with you. >> good to see you, outnumbered starts right now. >> this is a fox news alert, the gloves are off between president trump and the newly minted ticket. the former vice president chose kamala harris in their first campaign together in delaware yesterday. both of them lining into president trump handling of the coronavirus, watch. >> donald trump has already started his attacks, calling kamala "nasty." whining about how she is "mean" to his appointees. it's no surprise, because whining is what donald trump does best.
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>> america is crying out for leadership. yet we have a president who cares more about himself and the people who elected him. >> president trump is firing back, taking aim at both harris and biden calling their agenda "extreme." listen. >> she's radical left, now she tries to pretend she's not but she is the most liberal person in the u.s. senate. they want to tax $4 trillion, the biggest tax increase in history by far. it will triple records. you will see a depression likes of which you have never seen, you'll have to go back to 1929, it doesn't get too much worse than that. >> let's get right to it, this is "outnumbered." i'm gillian turner, here today fox business anchor dagen mcdowell, town hall editor and fox news contributor katie pavlich, syndicated radio host and also a fox news contributor leslie marshall, and joining us today host of the guy
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benjamin show on fox radio, also a pretty decent guy guy benson. i'm going to come to you first, no doubt the harris pick has been a boon for the campaign financially, at least overnight. at first 24 hours following the announcement harris as biden's running mate the campaign pulled in $26 million. are you impressed? >> i think that's a pretty good number, i'm more impressed by you telling me i'm "pretty decent." thank you for that glowing praise. here's my thought on that big number, and some of this apparent excitement from democrats funding this campaign. for the first time yesterday, at least to me, it felt like there was a presidential campaign happening actively. it's been this strange sort of sleepwalk a scenario because of coronavirus and everything else going on, yesterday the ticket became real, tangible, people
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said okay, there is a choice that is coming up soon. they are launching some sharp attacks on the incumbent, i think some more really dishonest. but i think a lot of people may have watched this event, engaged for the first time, and i suspect that's true on both sides. >> gillian: leslie, last night was really a tale of two press conferences. we had biden and terrace, back ended up against the coronavirus briefing. not only of america's future but america's present. >> most definitely, i think when i left -- president trump said kamala harris was the most progressive senator in the u.s. senate and i could see elizabeth warren and bernie sanders going "what?" i'm not going to imitate bernie. the bottom line is, this is how voters are going to perceive them. there are votes already coming
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in, they're going to look at it the way that the president has depicted former vice president joe biden and senator kamala harris, then there are those that echo what di said, one of the things it certainly that my party has had is a lack of enthusiasm, and kamala harris brought not just a lot of money but she brought enthusiasm. we saw that, we feel that from the party, and i think the fact that honestly some progressives are even on board with her when they would have been definitely against her shows more unity, i think it shows joe biden made the right pick. i wouldn't say they ticket has started, the election has started for the campaign, but i would say it's definitely raised the bar and they have come up to it. >> gillian: harris definitely does support medicare for all, the green new deal, stopping detentions by immigration and customs enforcement at the border. at some in the media are branding her a centrist now,
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watch. >> kamala harris comes from the middle-of-the-road moderate wing of the democratic party, not the first choice of progressives. >> cultivating a moderate political reputation and inviting criticism from some liberals that she was insufficiently progressive on criminal justice issues. >> trump campaign chomping at the bit for someone to attack, something to stick and they seem to have only this attempt to tie a decidedly moderate ticket to the radical left. >> gillian: vice president pence spent some time pushing back on all of that, listen to what he had to say. >> kamala harris like joe biden supports higher taxes, socialized medicine, open borders, abortion on demand, and where joe biden said he'd be willing to cut funding to police, she said recently that she thought we should reimagine the police in this country. >> gillian: katie, i asked marie harf this question yesterday. i'm going to ask you now. there has to be some kind of
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reality in all of this, is this candidate as "the new york times" describes her a "pragmatic, realistic centrist" or is she in the worlds of president trump a socialist? >> if kamala harris had not been a prosecutor or the attorney general of california, she would be the perfect leftist candidate based on her record in the senate. she was voted the most part aggressivprogressive in 2019, so the left of bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. you don't have to look that far back to see where she was going with her agenda when she was running for president herself, during the debate while she was attacking joe biden she was chasing after the policy positions of bernie sanders. so remember bernie sanders is on stage and suggested that the boston bombers should vote from prison, kamala harris came on the stage after that and was
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asked about that and said she would consider it. she also said as bernie sanders said that we should eliminate private insurance for 10 180 million americans, she is a radical on the issue of abortion, she doesn't believe in any kind of restrictions on abortion, especially late term abortion. this idea that she is some kind of moderate shows letter a how left the rest is, how far left they have gone, but also it's just not true in terms of her voting record in the senate and during the democratic primary which we just got out of. >> so you bring up the issue of how her stances on key issues like marijuana use, like immigration, like medicare for all has changed over time. if you know what, all of that is okay, that is what vice presidential candidates are supposed to do, they are supposed to have their own platform and then once they join up with the main person on the ticket it is actually their job to change to accommodate their
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vision. >> katie: that is true, and i think the trump campaign should not underestimate kamala harris because she is in a different position now. her job is not going to be to present her record and ideas, her job is going to be to attack the trump administration. whether that will be honestly or dishonestly is something that will have to watch, given her speech yesterday there are certainly a number of things you can go through and fact check as untrue on the economy and other issues you mentioned. her job now is to do that. the issue here is that even joe biden has said i'm only going to do this for four years, it begs the question is he really going to make it that long? kamala harris is not just a vice presidential candidate, she really is a presidential candidate as well which is why her record will be front and center for the term campaign. >> gillian: dagan, on the question of her record do you see her changing or her evolving stance as a situation where she
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is flip-flopping? obviously not a great thing, according to conventional wisdom. or do you see this as somebody who is evolving in line with the times? >> dagen: "the wall street journal" editorial page called her malleable, miranda devine called her h shape shifter. she shifted in the way that she needed to to be joe biden's running mate, if kamala harris is a moderate, then i'm just deciding here today i am going to be the right end. i was born a coal miner's daughter. today, from this day forward i'm going to be loretta lynn. if moderate is somebody who supported getting rid of private health insurance in this country, that really tells you where the democratic party is this day. and katie brought up the economy really quickly, and that speech that kamala harris gave yesterday, they ought to be very careful how they message on the
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economy because kamala harris said trump is the reason that millions of americans are now unemployed. well, americans know that would be the coronavirus, that would be a virus that originated in china that was unleashed on the world and killed hundreds of millions of people. then she brought up the barack obama joe biden era of the longest economic expansion in history and trumps going to run that into the ground. don't bring that up, that's actually the reason why president trump got elected because of eight years of lackluster growth. and it was under this president that unemployment rate fell to a 50 year low. a black unemployment fell to the lowest on record, and wages were actually growing faster than those for their bosses which was closing the income gap, the inequality gap. all of that was going on before a virus that was unleashed on the world from another country. they ought to change the messaging on the economy.
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>> gillian: leslie, how does the party view harris and her candidacy and her platform? we have her voting record, her legislative history, not even three years yet but it is a record to parse through. where do the party come out on this? the three back >> leslie: you do have the centrists and modernists, then you have what some people like to called the . if you look at her record of voting in california, she has gone both ways. she's gone to the left, and she's gone straight down the center. some would say even right-leaning, there's progressive thought call her the top cop and she has a very -- not a very good rating from the aclu. as a senator, similar. some people may say she's always voted left, no, it's typical that most in the house and senate caucus within both.
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you have those people who stand apart, she's not been one of them and we saw that play into the primary and her campaigning that didn't help her. what she is doing now is the right thing, she is on a ticket where she's number two, she's not number one. she's the vice presidential individual on the ticket, the nominee on this ticket. and if she becomes vice president, it's not kamala harris ideas, not kamala harris' legislation, not kamala harris' agenda getting put forth, it's joe biden's, just like mike pence took in a sense a backseat to donald trump and what he wanted to do and supported him, that's the right thing for any presidential candidate to do when they are part of a ticket. the goal here is to do two things, which i think they both started to show yesterday which was great for the party. one unity, and two the enemy isn't each other, the enemy isn't the left or the middle, it's donald trump.
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not as the enemy, the opponent is donald trump. i just want to say dagan, i love you, she is a radical leftist, i'm the pope, the progressive wing in california especially are laughing when people call kamala harris a radical leftist, quite the contrary. >> gillian: we've got the pope at loretta lynn in one hour, i think we can all go home. stick with us, coming up next looking ahead the democratic national convention begins monday night, just a few days from now. our coverage here at fox news kicks off this weekend, bret baier and martha maccallum host special convention coverage starting sunday a at 10:00 p.m. eastern. stick with us. meantime, looking ahead to the next block, president trump says democrats are holding up stimulus talks over one potential contentious issue. it will tell you what that is, coming up.
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and millions of ballots. >> dagen: speaker pelosi says a bipartisan board of governors recommended that $25 billion, and she argued that republicans are to really blame for any delay. >> it's no wonder we have a vast difference, this administration and republicans in congress have never understood the gravity of the situation. for months, and even until now, they have ignored the signs. >> dagen: pelosi spoke with treasury secretary steven mnuchin yesterday for the first time in five days, still no movement on a deal. guy, what do you make of the president's comments on the issue of funding for the post office? is that really the reason for the holdup? >> guy: it might be one of them, i think it sounded revealing. i want to cripple the post office, so they can facilitate mail-in voting which is probably not something that he should be thinking, doing, or
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saying as president of the united states, especially because he's endorsed mail-in voting in some places like florida. there's some dissidents there. but on the other hand, nancy pelosi and grandstanding from her is absolutely exhausting, i realize most people in the press tend to go with whatever she says because trump is the bad guy, republicans are terrible. but she was the one who blew up and delayed round one of covert relief, for partisan reasons. the republicans don't care, they've never understood the gravity, that's nonsense. if it is so grave, which it is, you would understand that nancy pelosi would get off of this insulting bill that they passed in the house, it's a jo joke. it was covered as a messaging bill when it was passed months ago, if the goal is to help the american people, the two parties are far apart, they should be bt the negotiating table and compromising. i have not heard what concessions of any seriousness of the democrats have been
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willing to bring to the table, the answer is precious few. and they feel like they can get away with blaming the other side, but it takes two to tango and right now the democrat position is completely untenable. they absolutely deserve a lot of the blame here. >> dagen: i'll tell you about one concession the republicans made, to my knowledge the huge sticking point is the close to $1 trillion at the democrats want for state and municipalities. after a quarter of a trillion was roughly handed out in the last rescue package, much of which hasn't even been spent by the state. the republicans offered state and local governments $150 billion in additional aid. and that is just a no-go. >> leslie: nancy pelosi has made it clear that unless she gets to plus trillion dollars now she's not going to move on any of this. the fact is, if the post office really needs 25 billion extra dollars for either mismanagement
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or to deal with mail-in voting, then they should deal with that as a separate issue. nancy pelosi has the ability to bring back the house of representatives from recess to work on something like that with the president to make the post office. they are holding up aid for people who really need it, because they want to hurt the president. when they pushed through that executive order with $400 per week on a plemons benefit they threw a fit and accused him of cutting the unemployment from $600 to $400, democrats hadn't offered anything on the table. i think the bigger question is why the post office is in a coronavirus relief bill in the first place, nancy pelosi has a history of putting irrelevant topics into bills that are supposed to be for emergency funding, not for a magical revamping of the post office by infusing another $25 billion without any kind of real accountability or debate over
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how the post office is structured. >> dagen: i'll make a prediction, i don't think even the time, how close we are. by the time that they come back to the table, they won't get a deal done because it's too close to the election. >> leslie: i wouldn't necessarily disagree with you on that, both sides are politicians, many in their party up for reelection. the g.o.p. might have more at stake, they certainly could lose control of the senate and of course the white house. but politics aside, when you let individuals that are used to and accustomed to and need an additional $600 that they now rely on because we are facing evictions, they have more health care issues with the coronavirus pandemic, they need to put food on the table, they sometimes have one or two people that have lost their jobs, no job to go back to and
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sometimes those individuals have more than one job, especially if they are essential workers. the list just goes on. that $200 is a big deal and that i don't feel his political by nancy pelosi and the democratic party, i feel that they said look, we made a promise to the people. republicans are saying 400, democrats are saying 600, the other sticking point is that state and local aid. bills of the issues more so, not the post office. >> katie: democrats gave $0, they didn't give extra $200. they walked away from the negotiation and said we are not negotiating. then the president came in and went from $0 to $400 after democrats walked away. >> dagen: i want to correct something i said, because when i make a mistake i am going to tell you right here that i made it. when i was talking about coronavirus deaths around the globe i believe i said hundreds of millions, wrong.
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it is hundreds of thousands. close to 750,000 deaths total. so i stand corrected. a tense standoff in oregon -- when i fouled, i fess up. a tense standoff between protesters and the feds, not in portland. this time immigration agents involved, that story next. what do you think? i don't see it. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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>> gillian: time for a quick check of the headlines, president trump announcing israel and united arab emirates have established diplomatic ties. if the president it historic, says he hopes more middle eastern countries can follow suit. over 2,000 students, teachers, and staff have reportedly been quarantined after schools reopened this month.
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many districts one positive test means anyone potentially exposed must stay home for two weeks. and in chicago, the mayor is calling the violence that has swept her city a planned attack, police are asking the public for help identifying suspected looters. bringing back in the couch, federal agents are stepping into the first hundreds of protesters in bend oregon, a group surrounded two unmarked immigration and customs enforcement buses and refused to let them move for nearly 12 hours. the standoff supposedly began after i.c.e. agents arrested two men earlier in the day calling them "a threat to the public." federal agents removed the detainees from the buses and left the scene. former acting ice director tom homan weyden. >> you would think the community would be grateful ice is taking public safety threats off their
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streets. the state of washington, the state of oregon are taking over by the progressive left. this be one guy, in some senses, what we saw on video there last night is a logical extension ofo abolish ice that we have seen gain steam across the nation for the last couple of years now. it stands to reason that if you don't want to fund an organization that does customs and immigration enforcement, you don't want their officers on the street to be able to move people around, right? >> guy: yeah, we have a lawless mess in the state of oregon, not just in portland. we see now activists and agitators actively interceding to prevent law enforcement from simply doing their job. and it's sort of greeted with nothing or crickets from national democrats for the most part. i also noticed the newly elected d.a. in portland announced they
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are not going to prosecute "low-level crimes" like akin to resisting arrest, being disorderly and public, interfering with officers, things that will make it awfully hard for the police to do their job. and now the police are in charge in portland, the local police and state police because the feds withdrew under an agreement and yet the unrest and writing has continued. therthere's no placating these extremists. it's frankly appalling. >> gillian: leslie, i'll let you respond to that. guy says crickets on all of this from the violence ranging from democrats. do you agree? >> i disagree come up maybe you're not listening to the right democrats like me for example. it is a concern, obviously the protesters and i said this before, by day it's a whole different scenario than by night. part of the problem we see is violence will break out at night, it doesn't just happen in oregon, it's happened in other places.
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in los angeles, that takes away from the message and it takes away from the goal of the protesters which is to try and get something accomplished with politicians and quite frankly with the police department. some type of reformation, some type of meeting of the mines. if you look at -- and to your point, i have to say, you're right on with ice. here in california we have the largest population of undocumented workers in the united states. it is very common to see people form a human chain around ice or individual's, block ice vehicles from being able to get to or from the house. this isn't anything new. if you look at oregon specifically portland, if you look at the staff july that's when there was more violence, that's when there were more arrests. in addition to that, federal prosecutors of every individual they have arrested they have been able to find zero connections to antifa, yet
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antifa is being blamed constantly for this. those individuals trying to take away from this movement should be blamed, who at night because the problem and that's what needs -- that's what people see and don't realize the majority of protests are peaceful and this is not what the protesters want. >> gillian: leslie, let's talk about portland. police declared a riot last night as protesters returned to the federal courthouse as they have been targeting since the killing of george floyd on memorial day. they reportedly set fire to the building, fireworks and officers, this was the 77th straight night of th unrest. listen. >> they should, i think they are afraid to. in my book, it's virtually a part of their campaign. the democrats act like gee, i don't know exactly what that is.
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>> gillian: katie, what say you? >> katie: if leslie makes the argument there is no antifa connection here, let's talk about black lives matter where one of the leaders in chicago was just justifying rioting and looting by saying it was reparations, because businesses have insurance it's okay to engage in that kind of what the mayor would call criminal, planned criminal activity these are not pro-stutters the protesters, they are criminals. they've arrested 97 people and charged 80 with serious federal crimes as the local government failed over and over again to do their jobs. the all along has been about federal agents coming and invading the streets of portland to arrest innocent people who are peacefully protesting, the federal government has done their job, they've tried to secure their courthouse still under attack and now it's up to
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local law enforcement, it's proven that these writers and criminals it's not about the feds, it's about lawlessness the local officials are willing to put up with but the department of justice is not willing to. in terms of broader politics, there are serious questions for joe biden and kamala harris about why they haven't already condemned this kind of behavior and what their plan would be for civil unrest in cities like portland and chicago and new york city under their watch if they were to win back the house. >> gillian: so guy, on that point, if we strip away the politics for a quick second. >> guy: good luck. >> gillian: the fundamental role of government, right, whether it's national, local, state government, is first and foremost to protect its citizens from external threats, that's when we talk about national security. but then the next most important duty of the government is to protect people from harm from
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one another peer to homeland security for lack of a better word. so how is it that when we have i.c.e. agents who are trying to manage people moving across states in order to inflict harm on other citizens, it's suddenly not appropriate for government to take on this role. isn't that the fundamental task of government? >> guy: what you're describing is a radical vision, that represents a vocal chunk of the democratic base. i think that's part of the reason why the denunciation that we've seen from some democrats has been perfunctory and sort of very low key. they've had to be ripped out of them or cajoled out of them to say anything. we could play a sound bite of nancy pelosi denouncing violent protests but i don't think it exists right now. i'm sorry leslie, it's not like there's been a groundswell from the democratic party based on
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what we have seen paid in seattle you had businesses destroyed, a huge "new york times" story about it. and in portland oregon, once again sorry leslie, you're not right about this point. after the feds stood down and scaled back their presence, the antifa rioters continued their siege in that city, they tried to set police precinct on fire and even lump that we might the left-wing mayor said you are attempting murder against police officers. this is something we have video footage off. >> gillian: we have to leave it there, coming up next, president trump is accusing the media of giving kamala harris a free pass. how some reporters reacted to herd debut speech as joe biden's vice presidential pick and whether there is a double
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back vice presidential pick. welcome to camelot, a vision for a decent america. "the new york times" gave harris this glowing front page, a starkest friends from their treatment of then vice president on nominee mike pence back in 2016. president trump reading this morning "the fake news media is giving kamala harris a free pass despite her radical left failures and very poor run in the democratic primary. there is nobody meaner or more condescending to joe, not even me and she quickly evaporated down to almost zero in the polls. add!" all right dagan, what are your thoughts? >> dagen: where were the tears from the media, the sobs of
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sheer joy, at least some breathlessness at the sheer title wave of emotion that they were overcome with. it was just reminded everybody, these members of the media were in the bag for hrc and she l o ost. you have to take it that way. >> gillian: american people have a very poor vision of the media right now, don't you think that would help themselves by portraying the candidates more fairly rather than just immediately going to the tank for kamala harris? >> leslie: across the board they should, that's journalism 101. i think here it goes beyond this, the reason mike pence didn't get the attention kamala harris did is one, he was yet another white guy, he didn't make history. this is a woman, this is a black woman, this is a southeast asian woman being of jamaican and indian descent into the daughter of immigrants. she is if you will the american
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dream, mike pence didn't have that so that's why she's getting attention. she made history, he did not. >> gillian: i think mike pence would argue, guy, that he is also a product of the american dream in different ways. i would say he's also a product of that. what are your thoughts? >> guy: yes, and looked, the media overall has a rooting interest in this election and almost every election, is particularly unsettled in the last 24-48 hours. the team has a new member on the ticket, and the team is rallying. by the team, i'm referring to journalists who have spent the last couple years rightfully saying what matters most is truth and facts and context, we have to fight against gas lighting and we'll see if they fact check kamala harris for a number of outright false, contentious, misleading statements about the economy, about coronavirus that she unleashed yesterday. i'll be doing it on my radio show this afternoon, i will not hold my breath for a certain
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other outlets. >> gillian: gillian, that letter sent to broadcasters warning about how people should edit journalists should or should not cover kamala harris in terms of sacks is racism. none of us want to do that but there is a fine line, we have to keep track of and that is pointing out errors and fact-checking regardless of who the vice presidential nominee is. >> that's a fair point to me. just a couple hours ago, they describe the coverage yesterday as walk on water coverage. which was very apt, it was a lot of enthusiasm, and lot of commentators and frankly from straight up news journalists as well. it was a little bit reminiscent of barack obama's nomination back in 2008. in the sense that folks were focusing on the identity of the
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candidate, their race, their gender, and celebrating that. i think that certainly for commentators, that is a fine thing to do. journalists have to be a little bit more careful. when it comes to the record of candidates, there is more of an application to not whitewash anything, not misrepresent anything. we talk about kamala harris, her position have changed over the years, it's important to point that out, it's important to look at that as we've been doing on the show all hour long. there is extra care but needs to be taken, i don't think though it's fair to say no one can show any enthusiasm for the first woman of color on the ticket. i think it's fair for people to point that out and maybe crack a smile about it. >> dagen: it's easier to talk about that and hide the fact that members of the media, many of them were lying about russia
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collusion for more than four years. they are happy to sweep that one under the rug. >> gillian: we are happy to remain fair and balanced, we'll continue to do that as we cover the 2020 presidential election. amid nationwide protests over the police, one hollywood studio's latest move could mean big changes for popular shows like blue bloods and ncis. ♪ when their growing family meant growing expenses, our agents helped make saving on insurance easy usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. usaa
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>> gillian: after months of protest across the country, hollywood may be changing how it portrays law enforcement in hit tv shows like "ncis," and blue bloods. cbs studios hiring consultants from police reformed advisory group to work on its popular cop and legal traumas. listen to the quote from a top producer. "having an audience of millions of viewers each week comes with a great deal of responsibility. this new partnership will help us ensure our storytelling continues to produce accurate portrayals and will hopefully allow us to play a small part in the ongoing reform moving forward." some other networks cancel shows like "live pd" and cops." why weren't these networks doing this before now if it was a
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problem? >> guy: dagan, next season on "criminal minds" every serial killer will be a white law enforcement officer. it's just reality and we have to be sensitive. this is just a money play, we've seen some of the cash cows of other networks canceled, we don't want these cash cows to be threatened, let's bring in some woke people, show the world that we are doing the right thing and being sensitive, and hopefully we will survive and keep making our money. that's it. >> dagen: are they going to pull all those episodes of law and order a love so much because they are not up to standards we set today? >> leslie: great minds think alike, i was gonna say "law & order" is an example of a show where art imitates life all the time, they always pull something ripped from the headlines. i agree with god, these are businesses, this is money, they don't want to lose the shows, they don't want to lose business but they don't want to lose
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audience. i have to say that here in hollywood, whether it's a tv show or movie, they do try and sometimes seek real-life truth and advice consultants. my husband consulted on the movie "the invisible man." >> gillian: don't cancel "sbu" that's all i want to say. >> katie: i hope that they are going to portray that 81% of black americans want more police in their communities, and it is the cash issue and if they want to keep the millions of viewers who watch that show, they probably shouldn't change the story line too much inject the wokeness. go woke, go broke. >> dagen: more "outnumbered" in just a moment. te. do it. only pay for what you need.
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[laughter] thank you for joining us. here's harris. >> harris: fox news alert, the white house press briefing set to begin any moment as battle lines are drawn on the 2020 race for the white house. we'll go to that live in happens. "outnumbered overtime" now, i'm harris faulkner. former vice president joe biden and his running mate, kamala harris, r tearing into president trump during their fie together. senator harris went after the president on issues like his handling of the pandemic and the economy. >> america is crying out for leadership, yet we have a president who cares more about himself than the people who elected him. he inherited the longest economic expansion in history, from barack obama

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