♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight," ever notice how people who run our country seem so fervently concerned about problems that are totally irrelevant to your life? if you're like most americans, you're wondering how to pay your credit card bill, how to afford your kids student loans come you're trying to keep your family together in a society that seems to be spinning apart. you would like to watch college football next month, those of the problems that most people worry about but not our leaders. in their world, 60 minute phone call with that donald trump once had with the ukrainian president is a national crisis that

deserves five full months of the forensic news coverage. a handful of weird russian facebook means qualify as a dire emergency, more threatening than the cuban missile crisis. and when someone accidentally miss pronounces the name of willie brown's ex-girlfriend they devote entire tv segments to the crime. given that, it shouldn't surprise you that these same people missed may be the most important development in america the last 30 years, it had nothing to do with russia or iran or donald trump, they barely noticed it but you probably did notice it. american cities collapsed, buildings burned, law enforcement banished, criminal moms rampaged, vagrants took over streets, parks, everyone who could leave urban america did. and this happened around the country. in new york alone, many hundreds of thousands of people, possibly

a million people fled the city, essentially the entire tax base of america's largest metro area disappeared in just a few mont months. here's the remarkable thing, our political class sit barely a word as it happened. the czar doesn't begin to describe the experience of that. imagine you're watching gam game 3 of the world series and the spaceship lands on the pitcher's mound but cnn has decided not to cover it. they don't think it's a story. that's what it's like. if you start to imagine you must be going crazy, and then you see the numbers and you realize you are not crazy, it is all entirely real. new york city is moving toward historic apartment vacancy rates, san francisco along the famously overheated real estate market is now facing a 50% increase in residential vacancy. people are running away, moving companies say they can't keep up with the demand. there is no mystery about why this is happening, here's a

recents story from new york. >> first came the pandemic and hundreds of thousands of new yorkers reportedly fled the city temporarily. now even more are leaving, this time permanently, saying they don't feel safe in the city anymore. hairstylist jody usher said she was harassed twice on her commute, so she moved her family to florida. others are following amidst bites in gun violence. shootings are up compared to last july, then public displays of junkies shooting up in midtown, people who work in the area are saying they called the police but their calls went unanswered. >> tucker: calls for police went unanswered, that's what happens when you slash the billion dollars from the police budget. of crime skyrockets, many of those crimes go unreported both because there's nobody to call and there is immense social pressure not to get the police involved no matter how horrible

the offense is. yesterday we spoke to someone who's disabled son was assaulted in a new york city park in the middle of the day, young men came up from behind and knocked him to the ground because they didn't like the way he looked. the thugs videotaped the whole thing daring his mother to say something. when the mother told her college educated neighbors, they made excuses for the criminals. they are poor, no wonder they are frustrated. that is insane and it's totally wrong. poverty cousin because of violence, being poor does not make you evil. there is never an excuse for solving a disabled kid, only a certain professional class liberal believes otherwise but unfortunately, they are now in charge and that's why new york city just converted hotels in the upper west side of manhattan into homeless shelters, suddenly there junkies and convicted all over the neighborhood. no one in charge cares. >> it's moving day on the upper

west side were 300 men are taking up residence after living in shelters downtown. 1 of 3 hotels on the upper west side contracting with the city to house new yorkers experiencing homelessness. the other, isabel claire were hundreds will live indefinitely. one look at the state sex offender registry shows 13 offenders are living there and at least three have served time for crimes against kids and at least one is a level three offender, the highest designation possible. if it's about a block and a half from a playground and a handful of primary schools. >> tucker: retail is leaving too, it's hard to do a business, companies like the gap and victoria's secret are keeping manhattan locations shuttered. recently summed it up this way

"there's no reason to do business in new york. just months ago, he ran one of the highest grossing restaurants in the united states, now he can't get out fast enough. he's advising others to do the same. will de blasio was hired to care about this, he is the mayor of new york but he doesn't care, not even a little bit. watch him physically turn his back on a small business owner who complains he can't feed his family. de blasio doesn't even listen to them and finish his sentence. >> we've been taking a hit since january. [indiscernible] >> tucker: in fairness to de blasio, he may have been more stoned than usual, it's possible he didn't hear a single word the man said, typically he responds to complaints about his mismanagement by blaming unseen saboteurs. it turns out that republicans are so powerful, so sneaky, so

diabolical, so tricky and relentless that they are able to control events in a city that has no republican officeholders, watch de blasio explain. >> the sad reality is no one has done more to setback new york city then donald trump, he failed new york city and he failed america with his handling of the coronavirus. if we had had presidential leadership, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in in right now. new york city is dealing with tough times and guess what a former new yorker helped to bring it to us by failing to address the crisis staring us in the face. >> tucker: de blasio isn't even trying to tell compelling lies anymore, he's just reading slogans off of cue cards and thinking about dinner. we don't mean to single him out, suddenly there are little bill de blasios across the country. in chicago, mayor lori lightfoot just got a letter from a property management company that represents more than 22,000 homeowners and 38,000 residents in her city.

of the letter informed lightfoot of what you already knew. people don't feel safe in chicago anymore, too much looting, too much violence. residents across the city are adjusting their daily routines out of fear. "they are avoiding neighborhood walks at 6:00 p.m. at night, they don't stay too close to their windows. this is not a way to live and i can't fault homeowners when they tell me they are considering leaving chicago. "sad. but none of those observations are political, you have no idea who he voted for by hearing that -- they are obvious. this is called observed reality, it's true. lightfoot doesn't care, she blames faraway republicans for the disaster she created, keep in mind chicago has not had a republican mayor since 1931. in a way, that's why lightfoot is doing it, there are no republicans in chicago to complain about when she accuses him of causing gang murders.

it's also crazy and stupid and counterproductive. but it's everywhere. in minneapolis, leaders seem to be trying to figure out new ways to record their city, staying up late doing it. their latest plan is to make it harder for business owners to clean up downtown in the wake of the riots that destroyed it. in order to obtain a demolition permit, the city is making businesses prepay the second half of their 2020 property taxes. many can't afford this, they have no businesses left. that means they're burned up properties will remain standing, husks, monuments to the protests that were actually riots. this is the kind of idea that would never in a million years occur to your average immigrant store owner from from pakistan, no way. instead you would have to be a deeply entitled post-modern feminist poetry major from oberlin to think of something like this. now downtown minneapolis looks like kosovo.

>> the city came in and put this fence as you can see here and they sent us a bill for $3700. the city that you're paying taxes, the city that your sends you a bill, enough is enough. >> tucker: you can assume from that man's accent he didn't grow up in this country, he probably came here assuming this kind of thing would never happen. you can hear the shock and disappointment in his voice and you feel for him but you should know it's not just minneapolis, this kind of insanity is happening everywhere, even in small cities like bend, oregon. they allowed protesters to trap i.c.e. officers who are transporting violent criminals, a standoff ensued until federal reinforcements arrived. [shouting]

[bleep] [shouting] >> tucker: this kind of playacting has turned some people on, but it's so destructive. bend, oregon, is a great place, but if this continues, it will not be a great place normal people will leave. who is doing this to our city? you know the answer, it's blm, and antifa, drifters, criminals, antisocial thugs with no stake in society, nothing better to do than to hurt people and destroy things. every country has people like that, america always has had people like that. what has changed is that the destroyers now have the full support of our professional class. that's what's different. if the democratic party cottle's the mob that you see on tv, our

elites fund the democratic party. consider the disclosure numbers from the last election cycle. political donations by netflix employees, 99% of them went to democrats and left-wing candidates. 98% of twitter donations went to the left, that is a higher rate of partisanship than you would find among harvard university professors which tells you everything, that's also true at apple, google, facebook, microsoft, pick one. american cities didn't -- but rich adults made it possible, they paid for at all. find a prosecutor who refuses to keep violent criminals in jail and changes to my chances are george soros put them there. why are they doing this? it's becoming clear, the middle class voted for donald trump. our leaders have decided to punish the middle-class for doing that. never in our history have our elites been this reckless and

this angry, the entire subscriber base of "the new york times" have been seized by a frenzy of destructive rage, they are throwing plates around the kitchen and smashing the windows. at some point they are going to wake up from this bender and realize they've destroyed their own home in their first instinct as it always is will be to leave. if but we should not let them, we should seize there. they did this, they should have to live with the consequences in midtown. melissa francis lives in new york, she's the cohost of outnumbered and we are always happy to have her. you've been in new york for a while, you're a keen observer of what happens. >> everything you described that is happening is allowed to happen because taxpayers who live in the city have said the only place i can have the career i want to have a wreck and make the money i want to make, where i can have the life that i want

are in these cities, that's where the schools are that i want to send my kids to. something just accidentally happened. these same leaders, de blasio and the like, they accidentally taught us that we don't actually have to live in these cities and that's what makes it different this time. they lock us up in our apartments and they closed our schools and they closed our jobs. all of a sudden it dawned on these elites that you're talking about, a lot of the wealthy people who provide the tax base and a lot of the middle income people -- wait a second, i don't actually have to live in these cities in order to do this job. i stayed over the summer and we had homeless men walking down the street with no pants on, i posted a picture online flapping their member in the breeze for my children to see on sunday morning, that happened to me three times before i finally posted it online, i rode the subway, rode the bus, my family got the virus, we recovered, we

endured -- but now some of the schools are saying they aren't going to open after all of that. it's not safe for the teachers to ride the buses and to ride public transportation as we all has been this time. you wonder -- i don't have to work in the city to have a job in my child's school isn't opening, why in the world would i stay? i talked to so many families who are now leaving and who are we leaving behind? those who can't afford to go and they are the ones were going to be stuck with this result. >> tucker: what you're describing this american city, a monument to human energy and longevity, new york has been around, but they are really fragile and delicate institutions actually. this one broke so fast it's making our head spin. >> partially because people who put up with almost anything or

you can use your money to insulate yourself from all of these problems, or you would fight back or you would do something. because you're motivated to stay in the city because you wanted that job. there was a reason to be there. even though it wasn't the wisest choice for your family and it wasn't the most comfortable, there was a reason for it. they accidentally took that reason away with this virus. that was the breaking point, we noticed the deterioration more than a year ago, people made fun of me for saying that -- you could see even though bill de blasio has doubled his expanding on homeless, we have more homeless than ever before, you could see more spending but things are getting crazier. want a group of people vote these folks out of office? it took the virus to prove to us that we don't actually have to be in these cities and now you

can see people are running for the hills. now we will really see what happens and i'm afraid for the people who are left behind and can't afford to go, that is the real problem. people who have put their life savings into these businesses and restaurants and they are going to be wiped out with nothing left and that's the tragedy. >> tucker: and it's our biggest city, we shouldn't let it degrade but we are. melissa francis, it's great to see you tonight. an awful lot of crime and violence going on right now, we try to highlight it not for ghoulish reasons but we think it's important you know what's happening. if this one is horrifying, the killing of a 5-year-old boy shucked north carolina and isn't getting national news coverage. rick leventhal has that news story for us. >> this wasn't a kid caught in a cross fire, a victim of some random drive by, this was a little boy playing on his bicycle with his seven and 8-year-old sisters nearby shot point blank in the head. funeral services are being held

this hour for 5-year-old cannon hit, witnesses say he was playing on his bike in front of his dad's house sunday afternoon when a man walked up, put a gun to his head and pulled the trigger. arriving officers and ems attempted life-saving efforts to come to the hospital but he could not be saved. the suspect was arrested monday and charged with first-degree murder, he lived next door and reportedly may have been angered because canon rode his bike on his lawn earlier the day. his mom wrote on facebook my baby didn't see color, he loved you even if he only knew you 5 minutes. his grandmother asked, when are we going to write children's lives matter on hollywood boulevard. neighbors say he had dinner with his father the night before the shooting, has a criminal record of firearms and drug convictio convictions, his mom says she hopes he rots in.

>> tucker: what a depraved story, thank you so much. joe biden announced today that if elected, he will force all americans to wear masks including outside, he didn't explain the scientific basis for this, there doesn't appear to be any. don't ask because you're not allowed to ask, we got details straight ahead. hike!

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♪ >> tucker: joe biden announced today that if elected, he will force you to wear masks for at least three months, apparently including outside. he didn't offer any details for any science to explain why we must do this, but we must do it anyway -- watch. >> every single american should be wearing a mask when they are outside for the next three months t at a minimum. every governor should mandate, every governor should mandate mandatory mask wearing, so let's institute a mask mandate nationwide to starting immediately and we will save lives. it's not about your rights, it's about your responsibilities as an american.

>> tucker: it's not about your rights, you don't have any rights anymore. you have to wear a mask when you're alone in the woods, walking with no one near you in the park, riding your bike, is there any science behind this whatsoever, and if so, what is it? dr. marc siegel is a fox news medical contributor, he joins us tonight. i get really uncomfortable when people try to justify a public health based decision when they tell me to be patriotic, that tells me if i ask questions, not patriotic, what is the scientific basis for people wearing masks alone outside? >> it's the politics of fear and the power of science. big government addition as you just said to. what is the science behind this? there is studies that show that if you use them properly, when you're close together or you're indoors or ventilation is poor that they likely decrease the amount of viral spread and that

was shown in several hot spot states andng washington, d.c., n a couple of other studies, there's also been simulations that show masking may help decrease the spread of the vir virus. that's not a proof, it's enough for me to like the idea of masks but here comes the politics of fear, big government addition. vice president biden is talking about outside. outside is where it's much more difficult to spread the virus -- i rode my bicycle recently around new york, everybody was wearing a mask that you know what they want wearing? helmets. we are going to see damage to the brain for people forgetting to wear helmets because they are so worried about these ideas about excess masking. you've also talked this week about the fact that harvard researchers have said during sex with someone outside your household, you should wear a mask. i can't comment on the science of that but i can tell you that will c definitely ruin the romae and imagine if the government is watching you with that?

a wisconsin state agency has also said even if you're at home on a zoom call, you should wear a mask even if you're alone. i'm going to tell all of our viewers tonight, do not do that. if depending on the outcome of the presidential election, you may have to turn your camera off because big brother maybe watching you. >> tucker: this is gettingre scary. when you make a decree that you claim y is rooted in data, shows what the data are, but they don't because there isn't any. great to see you. so america has to make a choice about how to proceed in its response to the wuhan coronavirus. should we tolerate some cases and do some deaths? many countries have done that, or should we bring back total lockdowns and universal outdoor mask wearing as joe biden apparently says we should.

we are happy to have them on tonight. how should we proceed to? what is the rational way for the country to respond at this point? >> it looks to me like sweden is not a bad model for us to follow. the swedes came under very heavy fire in march and april and even make my people said they are letting the virus go unchecked, so many cases in so many deaths, guess what? sweden appears to be through the worst. very few people in icus right now in sweden with covid, meanwhile parts of thehe rest of europe are seeing new rises in cases, more accurately i should say positive tests because i have to say this over and over again, a positive test does not

necessarily mean a clinically meaningful case. the w swedish model is looking better and better. we aren't going b to know for three months or six months or a year, or we can be new zealand. they committed to this idea that we are going to have no cases, this is so terrible, this thing that so many people don't know that they have and recover from without even realizing they were sick is so terrible that we can have no cases on our island anywhere. they underwent a very hard to lock in march and april, they have pretty strict border quarantines, they were so proud of themselves because they had no casess for 100 days and gues what? all of a sudden this week, they have new cases again come a community transmission, they don't know where it came from and they are locking downth aga. and they are mandatorily quarantining people, physically separating people and removing them from their homes were

infected with this. it should be mandatory isolation because they are isolated if they are sick, not quarantined. some of those people are resistings according to press accounts. do we want to be that? do we want to be so afraid of this thing, this virus which according to the cdc in may kills hundred four people that it infects, or do we want to bee a country that accepts there iss some risk here and we have to move forward, we have to have schools, we are going to let the hospitals handle this. to me, the choice is t clear. convincing americans has been very difficult. >> tucker: because they are terrified and that feary is beig used by the usual suspects. thank you for that rational analysis, there's very little of that in america, we appreciate it. >> tucker: up next, a shocking story about a government mandated program at one of

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>> tucker: the federal government's top nuclear weapons lab is a place called sandia weapons laboratory, he would hope it would better be a serious place -- they make nuclear weapons. it turns out it's not a serious place, it's like wesleyan, it's a welcome factory. they sent their white male executives, and only executives fitting that t description to a three day reeducation camp to deconstruct their white male culture. at taxpayer expense, we learned trainers said the men present must work hard to understand their privilege, they learned the roots of toxic white culture, rugged individualism and hard work -- what is this? what does that have to do with making nuclear weapons?

chris rufo is a research fellow at the discovery institute, he broke this story. tell us what this was, what the point of it was and whether it wasma mandatory. >> this was a mandatory program for white male executives where they were supposed to break down their white male identities, confess their sins to diversity trainers and at the end of the session, they had to write letters of apology to women and people of color based on what they learned about their own privilege. it'st' nothing more than an indoctrination session that is based on critical race theory, something that is spreading like wildfire through our public institutions. it's almost more dangerous than the nuclear weapons themselves. >> tucker: i agree with that. no one said anything about it because everyone is intimidated by the doesn't take a complex thought experiment to imagine if they did this to any other group, i think all decent people would stand up and say you can't attack people for how they were born, it's immoral. why do we allow this kind of

garbage to continue at public expense? >> this is racism masquerading as antiracism, it's as simple as that. i think this cultural construct that place on human frailty and emotion, we allow this to perpetuate all of our institutions. i'm afraid at this time, it's almost everywhere from the smallest local school district to the highest levels of federal governments. this is something under the radar has just spread like wildfire and i think it's important to call it out and it must be stopped. >> tucker: people have said nothing about this, no one has said anything. is this legal? >> i've been talking to legaleg scholars, there is a heated debate and i've heard from folks at the white house, within the senate and the house, there is an investigation happening right now on this particular issue at sandia labs and other parts of the federal government.

in my view, this is illegal, likely unconstitutional, it's a violation of civil rights. i'm telling you right now, i'm declaring a one-man war against critical race theory in the federal government and i'm not going to stop these investigations until we can abolish it within our public institutions. >> tucker: i can think of many things more important than that, thanks so much for coming on. things are getting more dangerous in this country. luckily, kamala harris has a plan. she plans to disarm you, we'll explain how her next.

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♪ >> tucker: kamala harris has plans for your guns, but more than that, she's willing to threaten congress if they don't make a law that matches her desires immediately. >> do you believe in the mandatory buyback of assault weapons? >> i believe we need to do buybacks and i'll tell you why. there weapons of war. with no place on the streets of the civil society. i will give the united states

congress 100 days to get their act together and have the courage to pass reasonable gun safety laws and if they fail to do it, i will take executive action. >> tucker: mandatory buyback, that may be the greatest formulation ever, like mandatory donation -- it's not a donation, it's theft. a mandatory buyback isn't a buyback, its seizure, obviously. why does kamala harris want to seize your guns? for the babies of course. >> we have to have smart gun safety laws and we cannot tolerate a society and live in a country with any level of pride when our babies are being slaughtered. >> tucker: babies are being slaughtered. clearly we have mislabeled kamala harris. it turns out she's one of the few pro-life democrats in the senate.

so, it's for the babies, so kamala harris cares about the babies. you obviously don't since you are for the second amendment, defend yourself. >> let's get one thing clear that a lot of people are talking about here and we are talking about a potential kamala harris presidency, not so much a joe biden presidency because his mental acuity is in question. she's talking about gun confiscation, there are a lot of people out there who are new gut owners, who are saying they're going to let you keep your guns, it's a gun confiscation in the clip that you played she talked about a mandatory buyback but she did an interview in 2019 where she said she supported a forced gun buyback which is essentially gun e confiscation. they can use whatever pretty, fancy words and euphemisms that she wants to use but what she's talking about is literally taking people's guns and i think

people need to grasp that. >> tucker: can i ask you a question? this just occurred to me. she's calling for gun confiscation, mandatory buyback. if that will be enforced with guns, she wants to use guns to threaten people so they give up their guns. there seems to be an irony embedded at the center of this. >> she is not inherently antigun, she's antigun for you and i. when it comes to her having guns or whoever she has to enforce laws having guns, she doesn't have a problem with that. this has nothing to do with the babies, it really doesn't. what it boils down to is they want to take all of the guns -- i know it sounds extreme but let's think about it from a numbers standpoint. less than 1% of gun deaths in this country are committed with ar-15s which he wants to ban. if she does get that band, what is she g going to say next whenever we have another shooting that happens to happen? she's going to have to go to

handguns next because as i stated, less than 1% of gun deaths in this country happen by way of ar-15s. >> tucker: what percentage of that ares in counties not going to vote for joe biden have ar-15s? like a ton, so isn't that really the point? she's disarming people who don't vote for her. >> pretty much. what is interesting is we recently -- there have been a wave of people who are otherwise antigun and probably going to vote for her who went out and bought ar-15s who don't even realize her true stance on this issue. >> tucker: such a good point, do you have the numbers? i can't remember them but the number, the increase in gun purchases has been without precedent, it has never happened before. >> i've been a t two a advocate for ten years now, i've never seen it this high.

>> tucker: people are buying guns anyway. >> i hope they understand continuing to vote foro people like kamala harris and joe biden is them taking those guns away. >> tucker: you can't have no police and no self-defense, that doesn't work. kamala, we've been instructed to say kamala, just so you know. the treasury department to striking deal with democrats, it could affect businesses for decades, how will it affect them? a small business owner who was thought a lot about its joins us after the break.

♪ >> tucker: payment protection program, the ppe, distributed more than $500 billion to keep business is closed o on the the numbers are staggering. it tens of millions of jobs are apparently aware help the saved but now's businesses are

complaining democrats and the treasury department are planning to tax them for expenses they pay for with stimulus money. they say could force thousands of businesses into bankruptcy. it is not true? it's complex but we got someone who can explain it to us. if washburn, restaurant owner in dallas, texas, joining us tonight. it ray, this is complicated for those who don't run businesses but the bottom line for us, what this means for people who run small businesses? >> well, tucker, the government mandated the shutdown in march i'm in the restaurant business and we had to lay off thousands of employees in the entire restaurantee business alone, 5 million people. the ppe program was put in place to give grants to businesses to hire people back while you are close and to pay rent to landlords because he had no income to pay your rent. it worked pretty well in 50% of restaurants nationwide are closed, and july 21st and now the august surprise the bait and

switch of congress coming back and saying this is no longer a grand were going to treat this as a forgivable loan. which means it's taxed in most restaurants and small businesses are partnerships are going to be taxed at a personal level. what that will mean is 30-50% tax hit on money that we used doing what the government did asking us to do and then was service the unemployment office for the united states government. if it is not fair, not rights, and that was proposed to us, and it seems like the government takeover of small business because when you get into 2021 and a tax bill arrives, they say oh, that was money given to you by treasury even though we used it as an expense, businesses in the country are just going to get crushed. i don't think our viewer who took thppealone, they are in foe surprise. >> tucker: what will businesses do at that point? the federal government have on percent of the control is what you're saying.

>> absolutely, and let me tell you, if you own a business that's already shut down because he took ppepe money, you own tax on the money. if you are a small restaurant that took the money back in march andur april that you cannt make it and you shut down, the government will come knocking on your door because that's considered a personal loan to you because in the partnership everything goes to you as a partnership. that's true for every business. >> tucker: so, i guess the key question is did you know this when you took the money? was this clear on the on-site? >> not at all, it was presented towa us as a grand and basicall, the way that we looked at it and everybody else i know looked at it is that we hired people back and we pulled 1800 people and we all brought almost everybody back. if we brought them on because the government was paying them and not as a nobody lookedd at t as a great program instead of the unemployment office getting even more people than they had, maybe ten times as many as they

got. we had to pay them to put them on and so we have people sitting around doing nothing because the government's doing nothing and i knew i was going to be paying 30-50% on the tax money? >> tucker: that make sense in your in the sens business of projecting what the future looks like. when does the crunch happen? >> that's a great question, the crunch already happened in two weeks ago, august 1st, when the bell tolls and its tolling now. 50% of restaurants shutdown in the country and if you're not back to somebody, 80% prepandemic sales, you're done and there's no way you can get through. landlords are tired of forbearing rent because there are no longer allowing them to do that. you're shutting the door and you will see in the next 30 days another 10% of united states restaurant shutting down. look at "the wall street journal" and what "new york times," talking about places shutting down. something as simple as a subway,

subway shut 20 heave 20 or 30 or locations. the taxable event on top of all of us, i mean, are you kidding me? it's both houses that are doing this. i don't think anyone is speaking up for small businesses and their sure not acting that way. one of them would stand up and say where for small businesses they would treat it the way it was presented to us and not bait and switch. the american enterprise. >> tucker: in the sentence, do you think this to google or amazon? >> no, great question. i'm worried about my own business every day. but, you know, small business days in theus united states and look, the macdonald intake, it's a small businesses but they just can't compete. so, thank you for letting me getting my message across. >> tucker: i appreciate it, i appreciate you coming on. if we don't spend enough time talking about it and it's important. it rayrt washburn, thank you. >> thank you, tucker.

>> tucker: were out of time, we'll be back tomorrow as promised. at 8:00 p.m. the show that's the sworn enemy of long come pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. guess who is next? your guess is, and sean hannity. >> sean: tucker, how are you? thank you, tucker, as always. bill barr will join us, we have an exquisite interview with thank you, tucker, as always. bill barr will join breaking news straight ahead. also, the national security advisor to the u.s. robert o'brien will be here. more details on what is the president's historic middle east peace deal and interestingly, biden taking credit when just the opposite is true. we will also talk about joe biden and kamala harris and they are now ready to be anointed from their basement bunkers. they can't hide, they're going to campaign. no they're not. apparently, they're going to meet with the voters, certainly aren't going to answer any questions from their adoring cult fans of propaganda. that would be the mob and the media. take a look.heng