>> trace: sandra, this virtual convention is going to be interesting. >> sandra: begins tonight. big week. thank you, therese. "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: fox news alert, democrats have opened a historic national convention this hour. officials are holding meetings in the host city of milwaukee, wisconsin. plus, they will be no delegates on hand. no funny hats, noble and props. instead, democrats are gathering around the nation virtually to nominate joe biden to face president trump in november. and a new cnn poll shows the former vice president with a much smaller lead over the president than most other surveys. 50-46% among registered voters. that is right at the poll's

margin of error. so, we call that a tie. in 15 key battleground states, the surveys find biden's lead narrowing to just one single point. however, a new "abc news" "washington post" poll out today she was biden ahead by 12 points nationally, 53-41%. president trump will counter program the convention all week long with trips to battleground states, beginning today in minnesota. in wisconsin on thursday, when joe biden accepts the nomination. president trump will take the stage near biden's hometown of scranton, pennsylvania. the president called in to "fox & friends" today, accusing the media of not holding biden accountable. watch the president. >> somebody like biden, he doesn't know what to do. he doesn't come out because he can't. he doesn't take any questions from reporters. i keep saying to my people, here

i am getting bombs thrown at me every day by people that are totally, frankly, dishonest reporters. but this guy doesn't come out of his basement. he hasn't taken one question. >> harris: you're watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. fresh back! so good to see you, my friend. executive director observer america pac and fox news contributor, marie harf. anchor and executive editor of "the story," martha maccallum is here. and in the center seat, fox news chief political anchor bret baier. our special convention coverage begins at 6:00 p.m. eastern with special report, and on into the. both bret and martha will anchor another prime time special at 10:00 p.m. eastern tonight. pop your corn, your night is made. welcome, everybody. happy monday. >> bret: good to be here. we are above the white house, by the way.

somebody next door is during construction, sorry about that. this is a good spot for us, it'll be our perch throughout the next weeks. >> harris: we would do construction when it's convenient during the summer for us, right? that's nice of them to do that for us. bret and martha, i'm really fascinated by these new polling numbers. martha, i'll come to you first. it looked like a pretty big spread. maybe some outlier polls, but across the board certainly a lot looser than what they are now. i get a tightening tort election day, but what's going on that president trump has tightened the lead of joe biden to squeaky tight? >> martha: this is what we see. i think people are starting to pay attention. i really look at tonight is the beginning of the election. this is when people start to get focused, this is when people start to tune in. we've got three huge debates coming up, plus the vice presidential debate, after this process. i think the tightening is not

all that surprising, but you have some underlying factors leading to some positivity therefore the trump side. you do have, despite everything that you hear, there is a decrease in covid cases. about 4% at this point. you also have this uae deal, a big foreign policy win for the president. you have a serious concern about law and order in this country. you have a lo to about not doina lot of interviews are campaigning. that'll be a factor for him down the road, harris. >> harris: that is such a good point. i know, bret, i was looking at a new nbc news poll and it showed some areas where there is weakness among the democrats. joe biden cannot afford to ignore this. it would be the economy, still hasn't gotten a real crisp message from that side of the isle yet for the platform. maybe we'll get it this week. also, "law & order." this is huge. look at what is popping off in

these mainly democrat-lead cities. in fact, i have challenged marie harf, i think it was, to find one republican-led city that has the problems we are seeing in the streets across the country. >> bret: i think that's an issue. i do think that in every poll you look at, no matter what it is, on the big number, when it comes to handling the economy, president trump does better. sometimes that spread is big, sometimes small. we could live and die by the polls. once we get through these conventions, we start to turn to likely voters. we start to turn with the internals of these polls look like. the bottom line is this is essentially where the race was in 2016. a little tighter, actually, than it was between hillary clinton on donald trump. we really want to look at our these states. when you see that one point in the cnn key battleground states, you see other battleground states being tight, that's where this race is.

tight. >> harris: wow. marie harf, what does it take to get democratic voters to really go to the polls? i mean, what are they looking for right now? >> marie: well, i do think a lot of democratic voters are ready to cast a vote against donald trump. they have been waiting for 3.5 years, almost 4 years, to do this. we saw in the 48 hours after kamala harris was named vice presidential candidate that the biden campaign raised about $48 million. she has given an additional enthusiasm boost, i think, to the biden campaign, which democrats are very happy about. bret is absolutely right, national polls in august tell you very little about what will actually happen in november. battleground state polls are much more important to look at, but there's also a lot of time between now and november. one of the most interesting things about these next two weeks, harris, is that we usually know how to factor in conventions. we usually get a bump coming out

of the convention and the other side gets one, and then you're off to the races with the debate. but these are different conventions then we have ever seen. people are at home, tuned into their laptops, and their tvs, and away they maybe worried in other years. it's also very different kind of lineup. some pretaped speeches, some not. president trump trying to counter program. it will be interesting over these weeks watching how this covid world plays out politically and what we have come to look forward to every year, every four years, these conventions. >> harris: melissa, likely voters, that's what bret was talking about. that's a different kind of person to poll been someone you meet down the block. "what do you think about this candidate versus the other?" or you call them, or whatever. i guess in covid you wouldn't actually meet them. it does tell us about enthusiasm, potentially, among likely voters. where would you put that right now, based on what we know? >> melissa: i'm on the record

as skeptical of pulling the matter it shows ahead, who is doing the pulling come of that sort of thing. on the enthusiasm front, i would say, i was watching from afar as former vice president joe biden picked kamala harris. to me, it didn't make a lot of sense in terms of who that would bring on board. would it give you a state, a group of people that were progressive? who had the passion behind her? i couldn't really figure out why he picked her until i heard a lot of analysts say that she was the safe pick. it kind of reminded me of why folks were for vice president biden. not a lot of passion, but that he was safe. they thought he would appeal to the most people. i heard donna brazile say earlier today that this was all about appealing to everybody. my response to that is that we don't live in that kind of a time anymore. we have seen that, whether it's news or entertainment. when you go abroad, when you try to appeal to a lot of people, you end up appealing to no one.

safety, unfortunately, i think, equals not inspirational. i just wonder if maybe what we are seeing is not a lot of passion necessarily behind either of these candidates, that maybe they are the safe choice and they are thinking, boy, these are the people that would appeal to the most number of people. but if you have no passion for either candidate, i don't know how you get a lot of people out and enthused and voting, and all of that. >> harris: yeah, you know, and we won't have anything to really gauge it by. people at rallies or anything like that. at least not at present, that we know of, based on the health crisis we are in with coronavirus. so, yeah, we will be able to see balloons and all of that sort of thing. bret, i'm really curious about how this compares to the last time around. in 2016, the first convention, obviously, the rnc in cleveland. we were there. and we went to pennsylvania, to

philly. he did have that in person, but if things are tighter now, what drives that? i can almost understand things being tighter then, because you physically or with people and are able to stick a button on them, you're able to do those things. from afar, what is resonating with people? i get the difference, marie, between the battleground, which is why we show more than overall national polling. >> bret: that's a good question. i think a little bit has to do with the fact that there's not campaigning. there's not a lot of campaign events. as we've said, joe biden has not done a lot of interviews. i guess he talked to cardi b today, so we'll see how this plays out. we've asked them to be on. >> harris: we've all asked him. >> bret: i think they may do a round of interviews here very soon. we'll see how that plays. this will be different, no matter how you look at it. and i will of the conventions and the fact of the virtual. how was the reaction? as far as somebody giving a speech, and you're in a room,

and nobody's reacting. it is sort of like the state of the union response. remember bobby gentle and marco rubio and a number of names, talking to know people. it's a different deal. we will see how that plays on tv. >> harris: martha, one last quick file before we scoot to break? >> martha: yeah, nobody knows what tonight is going to look like. they will be either praise or deep criticism in terms of how you handle putting people on in this kind of way. michelle obama already taped this address you will hear tonight. it's done. she had a phenomenal speech in her president's reelection convention that really fired people up. we are looking forward to gauging how all of this feels and how the american people take it in over the course of the next few nights, because it is completely unprecedented in terms of coverage of these elections. >> harris: all right. well, i feel like we just popped the top off of something delicious. maybe a diet coke or something.

[laughter] let's get going. make sure to tune in tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern for our fox news special prime time convention coverage, hosted by bret and martha. look, we have them both! and they will have full convention coverage each night through thursday, when joe biden delivers his address accepting the democratic nomination for the white house. coming up on "outnumbered," democrats accusing president trump of undermining the u.s. postal service ahead of the election. now house speaker nancy pelosi is cutting august recess short so lawmakers can return to capitol hill and get funding. how the president is responding to all of this. >> absentee ballots are great. they were, they been proven. universal mal mail-in is a dangs thing. i want to make sure it's not selling. ♪ ta-da!

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>> melissa: president trump firing back this morning after house speaker nancy pelosi announced that she will call lawmakers back to capitol hill later this week to address funding for the u.s. postal service. here is the president. >> it's a nancy pelosi con game, with her associate, schumer. there's $25 million sitting there, but they really want $1 trillion to bail out there badly-run states. the post office, we want to make it run efficiently, run good. he wanted to run for less money, much better, always taking care of our postal workers. >> melissa: pelosi, in a letter yesterday, wrote, " " elimination by me to be letting the postal service, to disenfranchise voters. these threaten the health and

economic security of the american people. by delaying delivery of life-saving medicines and payments, lives, livelihoods, and the life of our american democracy are under threat from the president." pelosi and top democrats are also calling on the postmaster general and the chairman of the postal service board of governors to testify before congress next monday. martha, i want to start with you, because i know your financial background well. i want to set the record straight on what is really going on on the post office. we know that in fiscal years 200200,722,019 they lost $17 billion. there are unfunded liabilities that outstrip all the revenue they get, which means, as you know, that their liabilities for health care, for pensions, for all past workers, vastly outstrip any business that they can drum up. if they were for it or any other company in this country, they

would have gone bankrupt. they would have had to restructure and they would have 401(k)s like the rest of us. but people live longer, the companies stay afloat, and this is a relic of the past. what do you think about funding the post office more? doesn't solve the problem? >> martha: this is one of the fascinating things to me when i look at the story. everybody knows the post office has had problems for decades. throughout the whole course of my life, every few years they are raising the price of the stamp, trying to cover their costs, they are talking about dropping weekend delivery. amazon has cut into their business dramatically, as we all know. size email. the game has totally changed and the post office, like so many government agencies, has not kept pace with the movement of the times. the rework of this agency has been a long time in the works during the course of this presidency. i think one of the things that democrats have been pretty successful at in the past few days is sort of arm wrestling the message here that it's all

about -- that these changes, which were already in the works, are all about depriving people of their right to vote. the everything that's worth pointing out, just in terms of the handling of the pieces of mail, it is well documented that the post office can handle that. i mean, they handle i think 142 billion pieces of mail in 2. that in and of itself is a task the post office can handle. but that's a separate argument of whether or not it makes sense to send out universal ballads like the state of new jersey, my home state, is doing now. we saw in michigan, in the recent election there, they went through everything. in the wrong address, all the things that fall into those categories they have to throw out because something was checked wrong or doesn't hold up. they had 864 dead people vote. that is an intentional action. it's a small number, but it is worth noting, because it's an intentional action. it's on a mistake. there is reason to be very cautious about how this is going to work going forward, melissa.

>> melissa: yeah, without question. and, bret, i would take it to my own home congressional district where it took us six weeks to figure out who won, and one in five ballots was thrown away without even being opened, because it didn't have a postmark. something was wrong with it. if you get that one in five people who, in theory, mailed in a ballots weren't counted, i don't think we'll ever know who won my district. that was a result of the governor trying to flub the zone with these prepaid envelopes to try and quickly change the system to make sure that people could vote in these covid times. all these slap-dash measures seem like they create more confusion in the outcome. what are your thoughts? >> bret: i think, as martha said, there are two different stories here. to your point, mail-in ballots and states that haven't done it before, that's one thing. they are changing the system before this election. but there are states who do it

very effectively. colorado, oregon, florida has had mail-in ballots. you also have to say absentee is different. if you request the ballot, it's different than sending out a bunch of ballots to registered voters. but the money on the post office, how it works, it deals with 471 million pieces of mail every day. e me to tell me 100 ballots over a month, the post office can handle? that's not accurate. we have to look at this story in the right context. >> melissa: yeah. it's interesting, i wonder which impact it has on voters. of course, both sides, marie, are probably greatly afraid that voters will not be counted, that people will be discouraged or disenfranchised. among the people i've talked to, anecdotally, it makes them more determined to go in person, because they want to make sure it's counted. doesn't it seem like it makes more sense? why don't we spread out over two

weeks or something? keep the system the same, where you go in person or you can wear a mask, go alone, allow one person in at a time. if you spread it out, wouldn't that make more sense than all the mail stuff? >> marie: i think we need to take a look at both, having the most people vote in the presidential election. we should do a number of different things. that's why congress on the democratic side of the house is coming back to try and pass a bill that says, "okay, here are the ways we can help protect the post office, but we also need to think about other tweets to make this election better for people during a pandemic." but the postal service is not a business, it's a public service. however much money they lost last year is literally like one fighter jet at the pentagon. the idea that their money problems are bringing down the entire federal budget just isn't accurate. i agree that they have had issues for a long time, but the problem is president trump stomps all over that message when he got sent to mike tomei

goes on tv when he says he doesn't want to from the post office because he doesn't want people voting for the mail. a lot of people say john mackey that and say, "i can't leave my house, i have a pre-existing condition. i can't go to an in-person voting booth. i need to be able to vote through the mail." the fact that we see all these anecdotal stories over the past few weeks of veterans not getting the medication quickly, social security checks being postponed because the post office is overwhelmed, they've cut over time, they have cut some sorting machines. there's something going on here, and president trump's comments make it feel partisan. >> melissa: yeah. marie has made the point of why the postal service is a rounding error and why the fact that they aren't keeping up, and they aren't dealing with it, and they aren't operating like a business, is really causing some real damage. that kind of undermined the first point. what are your thoughts, harris? >> harris: you know, this is such a tough one. this has nothing to do with the

postal carriers. i think bret made a really good point, when you talk about those processed 19.7 million mail pieces every hour that the usps puts through. with a very high rate of delivery within a two-day. period, 92.4% on time. when you look at the people, the 603,000, a half million of them are career folks at the post office, these are not about them. this is about capacity. and we are in a pandemic. the one question i've had all along for lawmakers on both sides of the aisle is, "you knew this was coming. this is not to breaking news. we knew at least by march that we were going to have potentially more capacity if the numbers didn't trend back in the other direction where people would feel comfortable going to the polls." mark meadows, chief of staff, has had some ideas. i watch them on another network yesterday. what about curbside? curbside voting, what about

that? and maybe not two weeks, what about spreading this out over, as you suggest, melissa, a number of days? they do that in other nations, more than one election day so people can do what they want to do in person and/or have the option. the president's point that i thought, at least through his chief of staff yesterday, he just doesn't like the noncertification of the mail-in when they are being mailed in one direction for the people. rather than requesting, as you do, for example, with an absentee. there's a lot to it. >> melissa: no, it's true. i think everybody agrees the absentee ballot process works. if you're in that vote marie was describing where you don't want to leave your house, he should o online right now and request your absentee ballot, absolutely. go ahead. >> bret: social security went electronic ten years ago under the obama administration. most people get their social security checks that way. i just want to clarify that. that's it. >> melissa: you're right. good stuff.

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>> harris: a mom beat a truck driver last night neither federal courthouse of portland, oregon. it happened during the city's 81st street and of unrest. the truck reportedly crashed at the courthouse, the crowd pulled the driver from the pickup, and the confrontation with people in the streets ensued. punching and kicking him until he was unconscious. police responded. in seattle, police declared a riot last night when demonstrations they are turned violent. they say people attack their union office and threw bottles and fireworks at officers. 18 people arrested, three police

officers hurt, one hospitalized with a serious injury. martha, this is not the america that george floyd left this planet. when they were all united on mag forward for justice for george floyd, and others, who needed it across the country. what happened? >> well, you have a lot of forces at work in these places. we saw the other day the battle between antifa supporters, and they were pro-trump supporters on the other side, actually brawling in the streets. you have to ask yourself, harris, is that where more of this is headed? we certainly hope not. when you look at these images from home, people who live all across the country, this is portland. this is the place were now the officers are talking about being reallocated to areas that have the support of the mayors, and they can do their job because they have not been able to do

their job. 60 emergency calls went unheeded to the police in portland. this is a disaster. but so much of america, i think, isn't hearing about this in the places that they turn for news, and b, doesn't feel it. i would say, as someone who works every day in new york, and now being here in d.c., when you walk the streets and see that the first level of all the buildings are boarded up because the windows have been broken or the fear they're going to be, i really hope the rest of the country understands and looks closely at these pictures, because that could be your neighborhood. it's happening in cities all across this country. it is a big deal, and it needs to be understood on that level, i think, from coast-to-coast. >> harris: when you put this through the prism of politics, bret, it is impossible to ignore which side is talking about "law & order" and which side is not. >> bret: well, that's true. democrats say that this is not a huge problem, it's in a few

isolated cities, and it's not widespread across the country. that is the talking point. but when you have, as martha mentioned, 60 calls, emergency calls, to the police, that go unheeded and one night, that falls right into the trump campaign's hand. they've got this ad where the call goes unanswered, it goes to an answering machine. it could be that city that you're in, it could not, but the fact they are watching it does have impact. now, how the democrats deal with that this week, i think that there will be an effort to call for peaceful protest, and to try and tamp down some of what they're seeing. you've already seen the chicago mayor come out and say the peaceful protests have been overtaken by some groups that are organized to loot and cause chaos. maybe there's more that we will hear from democrats.

>> harris: marie harf, as brett was talking, i remember that image that was actually politically powerful for hillary clinton. the 3:00 a.m. phone call. it's about her readiness. remember that? and utah go from there now, politically. it is so mind-boggling, to an uncensoreunanswered series of c. how do you scrape that? do you want to address that during the convention? >> i agree with bret, i think the democrats have tried to make the point that these rioters, whoever they are and whatever they represent, as there's a variety of things they represent, that they don't speak for the protest movement, they certainly aren't endorsed or supported in any way by democrats who are leading these cities, and that a lot of democrats and other supporters of the protests do feel like that violent behavior has taken away from the peaceful message of the protests. i do think you hear that more

from democrats, but it also is just factual that it's a very small number of cities and a very smart dull maximal part of the cities. martha is right, down by the white house where she is, in the city where i live, washington, d.c., there's still a lot of businesses boarded up. that breaks my heart for the city have lived in for 15 years. a mile away where i live, it's like everything is normal. it is very sporadic and we should make sure we know that when we talk about this. >> harris: yeah, boy, i tell you -- one thing that isn't sporadic -- >> melissa: one thing to my place where it spread out over many miles as newark. president trump says he may send in federal agents to fight violent crime. another big city, his hometown of new york, as i mentioned. after a lovely weekend dull mike selectively weekend, five people killed and at least 30 separate shootings in new york city.

guenther killed 14 people and injured 76. the post reporting those numbers, almost 2.5 times higher than the same week last year. the president unloading on mayor bill de blasio this morning. >> he doesn't know what he's doing. he's a fool. he got rid of some of the most talented policeman that there are in the world. this is a fool. look at the shootings. >> melissa: martha, to your point, i think newark is an even better example to those folks out there wondering if this is going to come to their city. the pandemic did not because what's going on here, it accelerated this. we have seen this percolating over a number of years as taxes have gone up, shops have gone empty, people that were bearing the tax base have left the city. now with the coronavirus that drove out the last bit of business. folks left town because it has not been safe. there's been so many attacks, and now teachers don't want to

come back and open up the schools. for people who are away, with those schools not opening, there's no reason to come back and we have seen apartment vacancies jump 122% in july over this time last year. do you think newark is a big warning, martha, for what could happen elsewhere if you drive out your voting base with crime and taxes and all kinds of things? >> i absolutely do. when you look at hot spots, around the world, over the course of history, you can easily say, "they're dropping bombs and shooting around the corner," but six blocks away everything feels okay. if the level of our challenge for this has got to the point where as long as it's only a few blocks away were not going to worry about the fact that the signature founding cities of our country are in a kind of disarray and shut down nature, as you say, it started with covid and then it got to the point we had rioters.

because only rioters break windows. the peaceful protesters are a separate window. we can't get to a point where we have a tolerance with this and we feel like it's okay. because new york city is going through a huge transformation. that could take a decade to right. i see the same thing happening across the country as well, melissa. >> melissa: bret, it isn't a matter that you can drive 6 miles and see something normal. he would need to drive for quite a long time from the center of new york city to find things not being decimated. >> bret: . >> melissa: what are your thoughts about how this plays out in this election? >> bret>> bret: it'll be fascing to see tonight, governor andrew cuomo speaks of the democratic convention. i doubt this will be a focus of his speech. i think covid will be, and he has his own issues there about nursing homes, obviously, that we've talked about many times. fascinating, historically. 36 years ago last month, a young

andrew cuomo watched his father, mario cuomo, address the democratic convention. there's a lot of history in that family, but there's a lot of problems in new york. i would be interested to see how that speech goes tonight. >> melissa: i'm sure that he'll take a victory lap and it'll be cold comfort to the 6,000 and more families who lost loved ones because of his decision on nursing homes, via the coronavirus. we'll see. sender bernie sanders will deliver remarks tonight as well, as we said, and we will be watching that closely without coverage. we'll be right back. ♪

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democratic national convention. he is one of the prime time speakers tonight as the party looks to get past the division between progressives and moderates and get everyone behind joe biden. marie, i'll start with you. the bernie bros were among those that hillary clinton felt like help cost her the election last time around. do you think that they are on board this time, and will go out and vote as opposed to staying home or even grad vote for the other side? >> marie: i do think they will vote for joe biden much more than they did for hillary. bernie, first of all, has done a lot of work with his supporters. i've also seen a lot of twitter and facebook posts from people who say, "do we love the biden-harris ticket? know. wish it were more progressive, but it's much easier to influence a democratic administration, even if it's moderate, than the trump administration." it's important that he will speak tonight and it's even better in 2016 for party unity. that's my prediction.

>> melissa: bret, certainly the visuals easier. you won't have anyone they are protesting since it's all virtual. that's one of the benefits ahead of the campaign. i mean, is it possible that it disengages bernie's folks, or even the progressive? you have alexandria ocasio-cortez. they love her, as well. how do you think it all sorts itself out? >> bret: i think the tripping happens on twitter and other social media. i've already seen some progressives say that bernie is not getting enough time, aoc is getting 60 seconds. we'll see how it all plays out. remember, the image they also want to portray as john kasich, former republican governor and presidential candidate, he'll be speaking. so will susan molinari, rising star in the g.o.p. in the 1990s. she'll be speaking. the balance between the left side of the party and that is the message they want to portray. i think they will be some tripping online from progressives who think they didn't get enough.

>> melissa: yeah. but martha, the message is clear. they are doing some very good jobs of honing it. we are all coming together as one, from far left of center, to even some republicans come because we are unified in this idea of beating president trump. that is a message they are putting out. is it effective? >> martha: my mind goes back to new hampshire, when we were up there right before covid-19 really settled in and changed everything. bernie sanders was expected to be the person who would win this nomination. once again, he finds himself on the back burner. a couple of the issues he pushed so hard for, medicare for all, for example, green new deal, elimination of fracking, you see the biden harris team already starting to move to the center on that. bernie sees as big as, no matter how much momentum he might have in some quarters, it's flipping away once again. i think that is significant. when you look at the minimizing of the voices, sp and i just said, with regard to aoc, bernie sanders is going to have to increasingly shout from the

rafters to be heard, as are his supporters. whether they stay home because of that is going to become a factor when every election, this one included, comes down to the margins. >> melissa: i keep thinking you have a blender there and you're making cocktails, but then i remember it's the construction. >> bret: that's a secret. that's actually how we get through the night. [laughter] >> melissa: that's right! i'm going to come join you. for years after she delivered a memorable convention speech, former first lady michelle obama is set to address democrats again tonight. what you expect, and whether she will set the tone for the week. that's next. ♪ ta-da! did you know liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? given my unique lifestyle, that'd be perfect! let me grab a pen and some paper. know what? i'm gonna switch now. just need my desk... my chair... and my phone.

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>> when someone is cruel or act like a bully, you don't stoop to their level. no, our motto is when they go low, we go i. >> harris: michelle obama and what became one of the signature moments of the 2016 democratic national convention. the former first lady is set to speak tonight at a pretaped address. the hill is reporting she plans to go after president trump "in the most artful way." earlier this month, she said the pandemic, the state of race relations in america, and the general political climate had

her suffering a "low grade depression." bret, i come to you on what we expect to hear from michelle obama, and what some of the challenges are right now permitting the party together, progressives, moderates, so on and so forth. >> bret: it doesn't sound from the reporting that she's going high. maybe midrange. not low. but clearly going after president trump. one of the things this democratic convention wants to do is to define president trump. that is really the unifying thing that brings the progressive side, the left side of the party, with the moderate side. they just want to get rid of president trump. expect that to be kind of on the forefront. remember, michelle obama's approval rating is in the 80s. she's got this podcast where she interviewed her husband. she's got a high approval rating, and she is a big figure in the democratic party. >> harris: you know, marie, it's interesting. that goal of knitting the two party pieces together.

i argue it's a bigger deal, and i think she'll miss the mark. many of the democrats will, as they ignore people like representative rashida tlaib, who announced on twitter over the weekend that she is nominating bernie sanders, who suspended his campaign in april, and going and using her dnc ballot to vote no on the party platform. it's not far left enough for her, particularly for medicare for all. this is a real challenge. i would think democrats don't want to miss it. if she's got 80%, maybe she hits that instead of trump. i don't know, could she do both? >> marie: she is incredibly popular, as you and bret mention. i thought what was so interesting, some comments that michelle obama made about her booklet came out a few months ago. she talked about, obviously, being disappointed that people voted for president trump. but she also talked about how disappointed she was that so many key voters in the democratic coalition did not come out in 2016. she is very clear eyed that we

need to both get our left base out to the polls, like we've been talking about, but that we also need to get traditional. particularly minority voters who formed such a key part of the obama-biden coalition, out to the polls. because they didn't turn on 2016. she, i think, will put forward the message that all democrats believe to run like you are ten points down regardless of what the polls say. she can deliver that message to a wide swath of voters tonight. >> harris: all right. my thought, real quick, as we scoot to break? >> martha: i went hundred% agree. i think are double would be to talk about the historic nature of the ticket with kamala harris on it, and link it with the obama-biden administration. that is going to be her job. to uplift and bring it all home and create that bridge. >> harris: we'll be right back with more "outnumbered" in just a moment. find your keys.

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fox's prime time connection coverage starting tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern after the regular show. we can't wait for to kick off and get started. i can't believe it's been four years since the last one. thanks to everyone on our virtual couch here today, and thank you to everyone at home for watching. now, here's harris. >> harris: democrats are going to make their case as they begin an unprecedented convention today, where most speakers will be appearing virtually amid the pandemic. you're watching "outnumbered overtime" now, i'm harris faulkner. former first lady michelle obama, senator bernie sanders are among the headliners speaking tonight, along with former ohio republican governor john kasich. democrats are aiming to show they are building a strong coalition out of the november election. watch. >> our unity is indeed our greatest strength, and it's donald trump's worst nightmare. i want to give him some more nightmares in the remaining 79 da