give birth to her fourth cup any day now. we are watching it happen. as he was close but panda livers can get to the on their 24-hour panda can. if you didn't know they have one. >> trace: there are no longer in danger. they are on the rebound. >> sandra: best wishes to her, good day to you. "outnumbered" starts now. >> melissa: fox news alert, president trump is set to arrive in cedar rapids, iowa, for a disaster recovery briefing after last week's devastating wind storm there. later today, he will head to arizona for a border wall update as he keeps counter programming the democratic national convention now in its second day. presidents allies are slamming the first night, a series of virtual speeches hosted by actress eva longoria. trump campaign strategist brad parscale tweeting, "is this the democratic national convention or hollywood awards show?" trump campaign national press secretary, hogan gidley, saying,

"the radical socialist takeover of joe biden is complete." and white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany tweeting, "during this underwhelming dnc there's been a whole lot of singing but zero explaining of how joe will create jobs and stop innocent loss of lives and our streets." but house majority whip james clyburn defending the lack of addresses as dems look forward tonight two. >> i expect the policy is pretty much going to be left up to the candidates. wednesday night and thursday night, the vice presidential nominee in the presidential nominee will speak. speak a lot and i was very telling. >> melissa: speakers tonight include congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, former president bill clinton, joe biden's wife,

dr. jill biden, and former secretary of state, john kerry. this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today, harris faulkner. senior editor at ""the federalist"" and fox news contributor, mollie hemingway. executive director of serve america pac and fox news contributor, marie harf. joining us today, former arkansas governor and fox news contributor, mike huckabee. thanks everyone for being here. i tweeted right away and a lot of people have the same reaction i did. i felt like i was watching that telethon that tbs does. i don't know if it's once or twice a year, when they have the actors from "downton abbey," or whoever is the hottest show, act there, talking and this calm, quiet voice about the need for this and that, trying to raise money. it really has that sort of feel. it's not the democrats' fault, it's this kind of set up.

i don't know, is there a way to improve upon it? how do republicans not fall into the same trap? what are your thoughts? >> mr. huckabee: i agree with you. it did seem a whole lot like a telethon. i was waiting for the 800 number, and tell me what premium i could get. what is the coffee mug, the beach blanket? what would i get from $100 if i did it? to be fair to the democrats, this is a tough environment. i'm going to cut them some slack. i know that'll surprise everybody, but it's not easy to do this thing virtually. these things are always about a raucous atmosphere, yelling and cheering and balloons dropping, noises, crazy hats and crazy people sometimes. now you've got a very benign-looking people sitting in front of the fireplace. why are they doing that in august? that's a whole other issue. i really do think that both parties are struggling, trying to put it out there. here's what i would suggest. i don't know that anybody is listening from the republican side, but i'd make it a little more entertaining. make it more watchable.

yes, the issues are incredibly serious, and we need to focus on how serious they are, but one of the best ways to get across the truth of the message is satire, little bit of humor, and i didn't see any of that right now mike last night. it's just "donald trump, bad guy, we've got to get rid of him." that's all i saw. >> melissa: mollie, i wonder, is that the job of the party going and? that we need to change everything? do they have to present a negative message? doesn't make sense to have an actress at the beginning? i always feel like when you see an actor you feel like they are acting, which is -- i don't know, not what you want at a convention when you are trying to convince people of the truth of the matter, and you have somebody out there who is used to pretending to be someone else. i don't know if that's necessarily the right way to go about it, but all of these things have to do with being the opposition party, and is it important to have energy, or maybe is the somber tone appropriate for what it is that

they are trying to communicate? >> mollie: as far as having actors, each party has their own advantages. one of the advantages that the democratic party has his hollywood loves the democratic party and they always have. eva longoria is a longtime democratic activist. with interesting, you hear about these hollywood production values. it didn't seem like hollywood production values at all. yeah, they were hollywood people in it, but the production values are not what you would expect even for like a local news show. i think it really did make it difficult to watch. usually, conventions are the most exciting thing a party has to offer every four years. i'm a huge fan, i love seeing the people in the goofy hats, the excitement, the fighting, all the fun stuff that happens. during the convention, you have these prepackaged videos that they put in between the exciting parts. last night it was all prepackaged videos. i think somehow democrats and republicans have to figure out how to bring a lot of

excitement, and a part about is the production, and part of it is a message. usually the democrats are good about putting the message in terms of hope and change. last night was joyless and dark, the messaging was confused. it seemed like they were trying to reach out to republicans. they had bernie sanders, and went from john kasich saying it's okay to vote for the democratic party because he'll be okay for a republican, and he literally threw it to bernie sanders, in the progressive wing. part of it as messaging, part is production value. i'm sure they will do a lot of changes to make sure tonight is not as much of a disaster as last night was. >> melissa: we will get to michelle obama and a second, who is obviously the biggest piece of the story from the first night, perhaps. but let me ask you about that messaging, because it seemed like the overall theme was trying to appeal to everybody, a moderate party, a big party, but then you did have bernie sanders saying at one point, the extreme

ideas at one point are now part of the mainstream. i don't know if that clashes with the rest of the message that, "we are not that far left." do you worry about that? >> martha: no, i don't. i think last night was an evening that really met the tone of the moment. just to be clear, we in the media are not the intended audience for this. we viewed through a lens of what the production value is and whether it's the same as other conventions we bee covered or bn part of, but we are not the audience they are intending to reach. it's the american people. i think the intimate sort of fireside chat nature of many of these speeches, including michelle obama's, which we'll talk about a little later, really speaks to people in their homes about their concerns right now. it's not designed to be watched in a two and a half hour chunk, is designed to be clipped and shared on twitter and facebook, and overnight i've seen people share a number of videos from last night, including one from a woman whose father died of

covid, in an incredibly heartfelt moment, who said her father's only pre-existing condition had been trusting donald trump and his message on the disease. i do agree that this is a somber time in our country. i think kamala harris and joe biden will have a more uplifting tone of hope and promise, and how we can do better. we want to underscore -- my party did, last night -- that this is a challenging moment. we shouldn't pretend like it's not. we need to run into that challenge with plans to make it better, and i think that's what you will hear more of tonight and the next few nights, melis melissa. >> melissa: all right. you mentioned michelle obama. president trump firing right back at michelle obama after she blessed him and her dnc speech last night. the former first lady telling democrats to vote like their lives depend on it, and reminding them how narrow the president's margin of victory was in some precincts in 2016. >> whenever we look to this white house force in leadership

or consolation, or any semblance of steadiness, what we get instead is chaos, division, and a total and utter lack of empathy. donald trump is the wrong president for our country. he has had more than enough time to prove that he can do the job, but he is clearly in over his head. he cannot meet this moment. he simply cannot be who we need him to be for us. it is what it is. >> melissa: president trump today tweeting, "somebody please explain to michelle obama that donald j. trump would not be here in the beautiful white house if it weren't for the job done by your husband, barack obama. biden was merely an afterthought. a good reason for that very late and on the enthusiastic endorsement." harris, i thought it was interesting at the beginning of her speech, and i think "the new york post" cover made a bit about this today, that she

sort of set up what it takes to be the president. she talked about how you have to have a clear headedness, you have to know all the facts. like how many grandchildren you have. i don't think she said that. but she sort of went through describing exactly who the president needed to be, and it almost sounded like, well, i don't know that joe biden is that person. that's one of the things the post said this morning. that she did, "here's the bad news, here's your candidate." what are your thoughts on that? >> harris: this really resonated, probably more than that, to me. voters will decide whether or not he's a good fit for the country, a better fit for the person in the white house, that sort of thing. it is, i guess, a good idea for michelle obama to start there, because you've got to start to differentiate the current guy from the guy who is there. but here's the biggest problem to me for democrats. on voters who stayed home the last election, michelle obama

says, "we've all been living with the consequences." if democrats really feel that way, then they have to ask themselves, was this particular candidate, and under pressure from progressives and the party, who is bringing those people who stayed home out to vote this time? what has changed for them?" if the party wasn't progressive enough then for them, and we knew it was taking a left turn with hillary clinton, we already knew that, and she wasn't turning left fast enough, what is happening now is that the pants, if you will come of the proverbial pants, are being warned by the people in the party who actually are making that left-hand turn pretty quic. i don't know if joe biden's with them. he says, "i'll be the most progressive president in history of the country if i'm elected," but rashida tlaib says she's not been for the party platform because there's no medicare for all. you've got the most progressive. the question is, if they didn't show up last time, because you

know they were ticked, some of them come over bernie, where are they now? what are they doing differently? what did they do last night to get them to vote? michelle obama spelled it up. "we've all been living with the consequences." how do you change that? i don't know that we heard anything last night that says to those people, "oh, that's the magic bullet. that's the thing, that's the reason i didn't show up last time. i'm going now." and i go to you, governor huckabee, on this. is it enough to go against somebody? is it enough to say, "i don't want the guy there?" and the time we are right now, with the serious tone -- which i do think was appropriate last night -- is it enough to just say, "i don't want that?" where is the, "that's going to help me, that's going to make me hole, that's going to make me feel good. i'm voting for that." >> mr. huckabee: let me commend michelle obama for a great delivery. true to form for the entire evening, there was not a unifying theme other than one thing. "we don't like donald trump."

even the republicans, exploited it for the purpose of saying how bad donald trump was. that's the message. what they didn't say was, "hey, we're going to raise your taxes, open the borders, defend your police. let china keep rolling over us instead of standing up to them in the multinational corporations that have been the reason, because of all the political money being given to politicians, that, historically, neither republican or democrat politicians would stand up to china." the message that is going to be delivered is going to be one of great contrast. democrats believe that you should have abortion, that there even ought to be taxpayer-funded -- joe biden has now moved to that. that's a clear contrast. what we heard last night because "we don't like donald trump, we don't like his personality." that's not enough to win the presidency. they are going to have to come up with a little more than that if they really going to sell it to the american people. i don't think they want to go back to saying, "hey, let's go back to that economy we had when

president obama was there, when they were so many african-americans, women, and latinos who were unemployed." >> melissa: i was waiting for the segment, because there's a question i'm dying to ask marie, which is that michelle obama is so popular. you could see it last night, and the reaction today. why didn't joe biden pick her as the running mate? >> martha: [laughs] as you mentioned in her speech, she doesn't really like politics. kamala harris is a perfect one for joe biden. i absolutely believe that about michelle obama. >> melissa: you don't think she'll run for president? you want to go on the record saying you don't think she's going to run for office? >> marie: no way. nope, i think michelle obama is happy to be out of politics. to harris' question, i don't think michelle obama was actually speaking necessarily about progressives who were burning supporters who didn't vote for hillary clinton. i think she publicly referred quite a bit to black voters, voters of color, a lot of the obama-biden coalition that didn't come out in 2016. some are progressive, some are

more moderate. i think she actually was saying to those voters, as well, "you will need to come out." they did come out for joe biden in the primary, which i think is important, and kamala harris certainly helps with that part of the democratic base, as well. i think you will hear more about policies, but it was a good start for michelle obama to say very clearly, "to all of you out here who don't think it can get worse and who may not vote or who might vote third party, it can." she put a clarion call out for people to take this election seriously. i think that's for progressives, moderates, anyone who didn't vote. i think that was a call not just a one segment of the party, harris. >> melissa: i think she's absolutely going to run, but i guess time will tell. democrats calling for a day of action in the fight over the post office, as they accuse the trump white house of wanting to sabotage mail-in ballots. the president hitting back. ♪ speak of the democrats want to make it a political issue.

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>> if the house passes the bill, and i expect they will come of the senate should just pass it right away, hopefully by unanimous consent. get everyone on board. at the same time, to sort of make the post office dysfunction so the elections will be dysfunctional, that's despicab despicable. >> harris: that senate minority leader chuck schumer on the house vote, expected to come this saturday on funding the u.s. postal service. house speaker nancy pelosi is calling out democratic colleagues to take part in a "day of action" today by hosting

press events at post offices in their districts. we hope they're wearing masks. she says it's part of the effort to protect mail-in voting. this, as the postmaster general will testify before a senate panel this friday. that news, a day after agreeing to appear before a house committee next monday. democrats have raised concerns over the postmaster general, an ally of president trump, who has implemented a series of cost-cutting measures since taking over in may. however, president trump hit back, tweeting this. "why is congress scheduled to meet next monday during the republican convention rather than now? while the dems are having their convention? they're always playing games. get tough, republicans!" exclamation .3 times. i'm going to get to you on this, mary. i say that with sincerity, when we ask people to come to grips like this, people may want to show up to the post office into what they think will be helpful in all this. i'm looking at some of the demographics, some of the people being hit by covid make up a

better part of the population and states who work for the u.s. postal system. there is an overlap there. is this how you solve the issue, by fighting about it on capitol hill? >> marie: you solve the issue in part by bringing congress back to washington, which nancy pelosi is doing on the house side, to vote on saturday. to not to do with the republican convention. we know they've had some challenges that the postal service with their operations over the past two years, and it's been documented that president trump it is postmaster general have done things like get rid of overtime, move mailboxes around, get rid of sorting machines. we've seen already the impact that had. whether it's veterans not getting medicine, the people not getting critical mail. we need some funding to shore up the postal service, and the house is going to pass something on saturday. i hope the republican senate moves quickly, as well. all of us depend on the postal service, and it is a service.

it is not a business. as a public service for us as citizens, and we need it. >> harris: governor huckabee governor huckabee, when he see the president say, "put it in front of me and i will sign the money for the post office," and, "democrats, you need to approve some of the stuff that republicans want." and oh, by the way, he treats out "save the u.s. postal service." is this a function of democrats not wanting to take a "yes"? >> mr. huckabee: they've been not wanting to take a "yes" on a lot of things. he had doc on the table, he has put various proposals to put money in people's pockets during this covid crisis, they walked away from that. here's what i don't understand. this whole thing about the post office now being the centerpiece of american angst? my gosh, this is not here than a cashew factory. i've never seen anything quite crazy as this in my life. let me give you examples. over 14,000 mailboxes got removed during the obama

administration, because nobody was putting mail and then. they were getting less than 25 pieces of mail per day, sometimes zero pieces. that's why a lot of them were taken out. the thought that donald trump is sitting around trying to make the male slow? accuse of them some stuff, but that's ridiculous. the whole notion that suddenly the post office is the holy grail, i heard a democratic congresswoman yesterday on martha maccallum's show, debbie dingell, who i think is pretty decent, but she made a comment yesterday that i thought, "how did she get into congress and stay here without knowing this?" she said all the constituents not getting their social security checks on time. a social security check hasn't been in the u.s. mail since 2013. it's all direct deposit. there are no social security checks. >> marie: that's not true, governor. >> mr. huckabee: go to medicare.org. >> marie: over 500,000 americans got their checks this month. over 500,000 americans got their check in the mail this month. it still happens. it's a very small number.

sometimes people still do, though. >> mr. huckabee: look at the website. they claim they do not use the post office to deliver social security checks. >> marie: that's not true. >> mr. huckabee: welcome until the social security administered in an medicare, because they don't know they are doing it. >> harris: molly? >> marie: 's a month as a hundred thousand americans pay last month it was over five and 2,000 that got the check in the mail through the postal service. >> harris: this is pretty checkable and we can go to the brain room. in all fairness to other guests, i promise i will -- i'm going to do that. it's more than what checks, what things. those are important things, prescriptions, all of that. why are we fighting about the postal service on capitol hill when we know that the politicians generally don't solve these issues? correct me if i'm wrong take it away.

>> mollie: even by the low standards set by democrats in the media with regard to's conspiracy theories in recent years, such as russia collusion oaks, this conspiracy theory days, like, so stupid it's unbelievable that people are pretending to believe in it. i think they are trying to set the groundwork for a russia collusion conspiracy theory part two, which is, if donald trump wins again, they want grounds on which you object that it wasn't a legitimate victory or whatnot. the idea that the postal service can have no changes despite changes in the way people send mail is really silly. 20 years ago there were 100 billion pieces of first-class mail delivered each year. it's about half that now. of course you're going to change how many mail sorters you use, where you put mailboxes, as a result of the changes people make and how they send mail. this guy who has headed up the postal service right now, he was approved by a bipartisan board of governors governors. there is a bipartisan board of governors. >> harris: the postmaster general? >> mollie: yes, he's a trump donor.

he's also a guy with 30 years of logistics experience. he is the kind of guy that you do wish would be given political appointee positions because of his background and experience. this conspiracy theory, it's actually insulting. for a lot of people, we had to go through previous conspiracy theories about russia and what not. he spent all this time debunking it and people move onto another conspiracy theory. it is tyrannical. it's a way of terrorizing the american people to constantly run them through these conspiracy theories, regardless of what the actual facts are. it's important for the media also to push back, just because it's a democratic talking point. they said it all last night. that doesn't mean you have to go along with it. >> harris: we have team fox on the social security watch, and i wanted to get this specific. we actually got a statement, from the social security administration, who says, "currently the ssa pays approximately $71.6 million, that's 98.8%, social security and ssi benefits electronically per month, and meals new 850,000

paper checks. that's 1.2%, per month. the electronic payments consist of direct deposits and direct express debit cards." i'm going to call that an old-fashioned vegas push. you are both right. the number is relatively small, the number in which its electronic is reflective of the technology and where we are today, at above 98%. melissa francis, bring us home. >> melissa: i just want to get back to the topic that was actually at hand here, about the postal service and about voting in this election. and say that i was very easily able to download my application for an absentee ballot today right now. if you are worried about the mail service and you want to vote in this election, you can go today and download your request, fill it out, mail it in, and you'll get your own private absentee ballot mailed to you. there is plenty of time. the sooner you do it, the better. i think we are creating a false story about this idea that

people aren't going to be able to vote because of the coronavirus. there is plenty of time. if you are uncomfortable, right now, mail in, just google your state and they'll tell you the address. request your own ballot. it'll come and you will fill it out, bring it back in, drop it in a box, however you want to send it in. there was no threat to you not getting your vote done if we don't mass mail ballots, or if the post office doesn't get funded, any of that. you can vote. get your application today if you are afraid of going in person. >> harris: let me hit you with this, something the president has said. that is, then, should people doing that right now? because he would like them to see the first debate before people start to vote. around and around rego. we are going to hit it and go to commercial. >> melissa: you're just requesting it. >> harris: absolutely, and we seen that in the military. that works. i'm just telling you what some of the conversation has been. anyway, in 30 states, by the way, they do it in the way the

president does in florida, and they mail it out to you, and it hasn't really been a problem. but we haven't seen the capacity that covid is going to bring, apparently. we'll cover it all as it happens. a rising progressive star will address the democratic convention tonight, but she'll have a lot less time than other party people. is it hurting itself? and the democrats conquer the divide between progressives and moderates by giving aoc 60 seconds? >> let me take this opportunity to say a word to the millions of people who have supported my campaign. together, we have moved this country in a bold new direction. ♪ attention veteran homeowners today's record low mortgage rates have dropped even lower. use your va benefits now at newday and save $250 a month -- $3000 a year. the va streamline refi lets you shortcut the refinance process. there's no appraisal or income verification,

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>> melissa: rising progressive star, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, will be one of the speakers and nighc national convention tonight, but she will get all of 60 seconds

of airtime. one day after senator bernie sanders urged his progressive supporters to back joe biden. somewhere you of the democratic party is missing a key opportunity. a "new york magazine" columnist writes, "the failure of a major political party to showcase one of its most talented politicians, a young person whose communicative reach and facilitate positions her to be among its leaders deep into our future, is self sabotage." mollie, i was wondering your take on that. on the one hand i can see that they are trying to show a party that is mainstream, that has come together toward the middle, perhaps, thinking that would get the most response. on the other hand, why wouldn't you put your hottest ticket out there to say, "vote for joe?" >> mollie: yeah, you have all of these sort of crusty old dinosaurs in the democratic party, and they've

got a lot of air time, and they will get a lot of airtime, and they showcase bernie sanders last night. he got that because he earned it. he ran a really good campaign, he nearly got the nomination himself. it would have been really crazy if he was not able to speak. but i actually believe the same thing would apply to alexandria ocasio-cortez. she also earned it, see essentially runs the house of she might not be the most incandescent light bulb in the intellectual chandelier, but she is very energetic, she is very fun to watch and whatnot, and she has the energy and excitement, and it's with the democratic party needs. i think she earned it, and i also think voters have the right to know this is the direction the party is going. yes, they are worried she's too far to the left. maybe that's why you keep some of the other squad members away from the cameras. i think voters have a right to know this is the direction joe biden himself has said he wants the country to go in. honesty is a good policy, plus they get all the energy.

>> melissa: marie, what do you think about that? >> marie: i think nancy pelosi would take some of the front with the idea that she is not the one running the house of representatives, and statistically more democrats in the house are moderate. that's how democrats won back the house in 2018. the progressive wing is certainly vocal and popular, but they are not the majority of democratic voters or of democrats in the house. i'm glad aoc get 60 seconds tonight. 60 seconds is longer than people think, for those of us on television. i'm sure she will use it to great effect. very few people get to speak of these conventions. it's not that much time. you have former presidents, former first lady's, current vice presidential and presidential candidates. i think it's great that you get 60 seconds and i'm looking forward to see what she does with it. i'm sure it'll be shared millions of times on twitter if history is any model for here. >> melissa: governor, i would think one of the comparisons people are making is, look at how much time given to john kasich, a republican.

and look how much time you're giving aoc, who brings energy and excitement to the party and may or may not be the future of the party. certainly, she's more part of the party than john kasich. >> mr. huckabee: yeah, and i felt the video was kind of interesting, him standing out alone in the field, which i thought was metaphoric of kind of -- that he's standing all by himself out there in that field. i'm kind of bummed they're only giving her a minute. i think you should get her 40 minutes. let her talk about the green new deal and how much that'll cost every single american family. how much it'll cost to get things delivered to your door when we do that. i would love to have her explain how raising taxes and chasing people out of new york has really helped the economy there. maybe she can discuss why capitalism is such a rotten deal and how it has been so hurtful, despite the fact that it has lifted people by the millions up all over the world. when every other economic system has failed.

you know, i think a minute is way too short. they ought to give her a lot more time. the more she talks, the better donald trump looks for the next four years. >> melissa: harris, real quick? >> harris: you know, i do find interesting, as i mentioned before, rashida tlaib saying no on the party platform. she told the world that on twitter this weekend. we don't really know what aoc will say. i don't know how many people saw that within the party coming from rashida tlaib. maybe they could. but maybe the goal is, yeah, give them a platform, but they're also going to treat, too. they are wearing the pants. i said it before, you see nancy pelosi with the title and of that kind of stuff, but the energy is always where it is. you can't fake that. >> melissa: frightening police body cam videos showing officers pelted with bottles and exposes in seattle, while caugh in porta

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>> melissa: disturbing police body cam video coming out of seattle that shows protesters throwing explosives that police, trying to control a crowd at an anti-cop protest. watch. [explosions] >> melissa: six officers were hurt, one suffering and eye injury, another got burned on his neck. meanwhile, in portland, oregon, no signs the unrest will let up after 82 straight nights. now we are hearing from the man who filmed the vicious attack on the man who was pulled out of his truck and kicked in the head until he was unconscious. listen. >> this was violence. extremely violent.

sometimes i forget i'm walking the streets of an american city in the northwest. sometimes it feels like you're walking in a feral worl to miked world country. >> melissa: governor, i wonder how much this resonates around america in many cities, things n violent and unsafe. there's been many attacks in new york, as well. does this resonate or does it seem like it's isolated in a few cities? >> mr. huckabee: i think it's resonating deeply. a lot of americans might not put a yard sign up to indicate it, but i'm convinced there is a simmering silent majority that looks at this and says, "this is not what we want for our country." if you don't put people who do these things away for a long period of time and make them the consequences, that's what we sing. 82 days of this is nonsense.

an attack on a police officer is an attack on all of us. it's not just a cop. you're attacking every law-abiding citizen when you attack the person who defends the law, and the people who are trying to live their lives peacefully. >> melissa: mollie, do all americans know about this? other networks aren't covering it as much, or daily, or showing where it's going on. >> mollie: i think democrats are hoping this would be the summer of righteous protests, that there would be these outpourings in the streets that would lead to electoral victories in november. as they have turned into violent riots in cities throughout the country, the media are doing -- many people in the media are doing their part by downplaying and saying it's not a big deal if someone is nearly murdered on video in portland the other night. this is a very big messaging problem, i think, for democrats, that these are cities run by democrats completely. democratic mayors, democratic

district attorneys who are keeping everything from, people from being held accountable. it's violence and destruction end racism people are seeing on the streets. it's absolutely terrifying to a lot of americans, even if many people in the media are trying to downplay it. >> melissa: marie, that was the turning point in the l.a. riots, when an innocent person was pulled from a truck and beaten senselessly by the crowd like that. what are your thoughts watching those? >> marie: obviously watching this is terribly upsetting, and nobody should be attacking police officers. nobody should be committing acts of violence. i think the democrats have been wise to condemn that and say it is separate from people, protesters come out there talking about racial justice. he is a political issue, to take it there for one second, because were in an election cycle. joe biden does not seem like a scary leftist to people, to voters. he does not want to defund the police.

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700% more questions than joe biden in the past month. that is not a hard number to get to. even when he has taken questions, cardi b aside, and she asked questions, it has not been to help them out that much. he's had some big stumbles recently. >> marie: every time donald trump gives an interview or a press conference, he gets things that gets in trouble politically pray the bully pulpit is a powerful wind he has, but -- >> harris: you'd rather have your candidate not even sit? us don't even take the question? >> marie: no, i think joe biden will do more interviews. they might not be with mainstream tv outlets, but they will be with online journalists, folks from smaller publications that have big reach to communicate -- >> harris: why not mainstream? why not "60 minutes chemicals go by the way, i know they are sitting down with david muir. that's the first time they'll do that, they have booked the

"60 minutes" first time trend. why not? >> marie: they're making a strategic judgment about how best to reach the voters they need. if that includes david muir, which it does, that's great. if it doesn't, that's fine, too. it's their strategy, we'll see how it plays out. you feel comfortable about the polls right now. >> harris: you have to go where the viewers are. >> mollie: the strategy has been to take all the oxygen away. that was working very well for him for a while. i think at this point it's where voters are wondering exactly what's going on with joe biden, and dr. jill biden, as the media loves to call her, will be speaking tonight. she has such a more prominent role than a lot of spouses of candidates in recent months, in part because she is by his side helping him through these things. the question is whether voters are going to start demanding actually hearing from joe biden as opposed to his surrogates. the fact that they're not willing to come out -- the corporate media could not be

friendlier to joe biden. that they're not willing to work with them, even with how friendly the media are, is a troubling sign. i think that, at some point, the biden campaign will have to switch operations from the basement strategy into actually coming out and letting voters know whether he is up to the task or not. >> harris: governor, you get the last word. >> mr. huckabee: i think, after tonight, we may start thinking we have the wrong biden on the ballot for the democrats. jill biden is very articulate. joe is hiding in the basement, and after tonight, his speech, we will find out why out why. >> harris: all right. we'll be back just after this commercial break.

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eastern tomorrow. now, here's harris. ♪ >> harris: the democratic national convention is getting set to kick off its second night of programming. president trump is firing back at former first lady michelle obama's scathing speech for the first night last night. "outnumbered overtime" now, i'm harris faulkner. tonight's speaker lineup to include congresswoman of san diego ocasio-cortez. she gets 60 seconds, by the way. former president bill clinton and joe biden, focusing in unite don't make unity with sanders and john kasich speaking, along with michelle obama, who went after president trump urging people to vote like your life depends on it. >> this election is about preserving our democracy. during this president's term, the unthinkable has become normal. >> we are being taken down the wrong road by a president who has