nashville. there will debate salt lake city october 7th and then election day november 3 predilection they like none other. we will see you tomorrow for the start of the rnc. good night from washington. see you then. hello america i'm mark levin. two subjects used to sabotage the presidency and election. mail in voting number one and number two hydroxychloroquine. the definitive show on both subjects, i hope you'll stay with me. let's start with the mail-in voting in the post office. what are the media and the democrats saying. okay they are really one and

the same but check out our montage. go. >> are you saying, is this an attempt by the president to interfere with the election. they are choking the post office, slowing it down. >> they will destroy the postal service. they will do it because they don't want people to vote. >> this is nothing but a naked power grab by this presidency to make sure he can't be voted out of office two do you have any evidence. >> one of any evidence have you seen. >> i can tell you based on my reporting that we only have report so far of these machines being taken down. >> what reason were these taken down. >> mailbox were removed, where are the mail sorting machines, what did you replace them with, are they being replaced. >> were on to everything he's doing. >> all of this seems perfectly planned to disenfranchise peopl people.

>> that's absolutely what this is. >> it's widespread and affecting every region of the country. >> if he does that he's going to say it was a fraudulent election. >> if they can keep the slowdown happening, people will die. >> were talking about mortality because of this crisis. >> he is in effect putting his knee on the neck of american democracy. >> this will be the shame of the republican party. >> this is a crisis. >> it's absently discussing. it's personal. i was writing all these thank you notes when the show started and i have people who just got them. >> they say this is normal business, machines are being removed and reallocated. >> in a statement to nbc news, the postal service with a straight face has described this move as normal business adjustments. shocking, the lies, the spin, shocking. you can imagine people who

watch cnn, msnbc, the network news, how misinformed they are with the lies that come out of the media and the democrat politicians and notice you can't tell one from the other. they say exactly the same thing and they repeat it over and over again. now some facts. this is from the rather liberal so-called new site politico and election law expert. first of all, let's talk about how this works. it's the states with the primary action. the states which the president has absolutely no control over, none. most states, you've gotta get your ballot on time. if you don't get your ballot on time, you won't get your vote in on time. we saw this problem in wisconsin with the primary just a little bit ago. some states, they have laws you know, their own election law. a ballot is eligible based on

the postmark. it needs to be postmarked by election day. other states, it has to arrive. it has to arrive by election day. what else question what you have clerical errors on these ballots. clerical aero engine errors from the state or errors that are made by the people filling them out. names, signatures, you've got to use certain types of envelopes. some of them require tax numbers or social security numbers, or who knows what they require. if they're not filled out properly, they are kicked. in 2018, eight-point to percent of the ballots not counted due to process errors. think about that. nationwide a much wider number. we could have upwards of 80 million. it has nothing to do with the post office, it has to do with state laws most election litigation involves these

ballots. full-blown constitutional crisis is possible here and that's what the president keeps talking about. this could be a disaster. meanwhile, nancy pelosi tried to slip language in the last relief bill that would compel all states to provide nationwide mail in voting. flood the system, overwhelm the system and make election day an impossible result and you can have a full-blown constitutional crisis as i said and i'm not can get in the weeds on this. congress is another mess. can you imagine this? casting ballots is one thing. counting ballots is another thing. the states are not prepared for potentially 80 million mail-in ballots. voting laws in the states rms could it's one of the reasons

why you have problems. let me ask you a question. when you move from one state to another those of you who have in the last few years, do you call the election office of the county that you just left, do tell them to take you off the roles if you're not properly maintaining the roles come you're not registered into states. so that's a problem. in the postal service has not been able to guarantee all ballots will arrive on time the press does the same thing. in new york city, this is recent. 20% of the ballots were declared invalid. 20%. it accounts for almost 6% for the primary election were rejected. in nevada, a quarter of a million ballots sent to voters were returned as undeliverable. now this is a problem in the state. now what about the post office. what about the propaganda and the lies you heard in the

earlier montage. mailboxes, mailboxes are routinely repaired, replaced, they have a field maintenance program that's been going on, since the beginning of the post office. between 2011 and 2016 when biden was vice president and obama was president, 14000 mailboxes removed in the obama biden administration. a washington post article in 2009, in the past 220 years, 200,000 mailboxes have vanished from city streets, while rural and suburban neighborhoods. that's enormous. mailboxes that collect less than 25 pieces of mail. day. he even took his oath of office. processing machines are being removed. they are routinely updated, replaced and then they have maintenance.

there's no sabotage going on here except by the democrats. why? remember. [inaudible] they were socialist professors. they wrote several articles and what they talked about primarily was flood the system, overwhelm the system. create anarchy and seize power. the democrats intend to flood the system, particularly in the battleground states, to raise questions about the vote if donald trump is ahead. to raise questions about donald trump if there ahead and he wants to challenge them in court. meanwhile joe biden has hired 600 lawyers in preparation for the litigation and that's why the president of the united states keep saying this is a huge problem and that's why the democrat party and the democrat party is blaming the president of the united states. what about the postal service? they have been plagued with delays for half a century. in the first six months of

2015 during the obama biden administration, half a billion, 500 billion pieces of mail were delayed over the prior year. half a billion in six months delayed over the prior year. this is a disaster in the making. so i wanted to bring an expert on. heritage foundation senior legal fellow but he has been the commissioner of the federal election commission for two years and for four years he was at the civil rights division. hans, where am i wrong? >> i think you summed up the situation exactly right. all you have to do is look at the new york primary and all the problems they had there. everything from ballots not getting delivered in the mail to voters, to the huge rejection rate to them taking six weeks to count the ballots to understand that if you multiply that to the rest of

the country and the general election, we are going to have chaos, confusion and litigation galore over the results. mark: i don't know why people think overwhelming the postal service would affect state election laws and all kinds of errors that people have when they fill in the mail-in ballot, why they think that's going to go smoothly. what is the purpose hans, of in person voting? >> the purpose of in person voting which is the way we have voted's since the beginning of the country is because, most importantly, you are filling out your ballot, you're doing it under the supervision of election officials and the observation of pool watchers so you can ensure that no one is pressuring or coercing you in the polling place to vote a particular way and you yourself are putting the

ballot in the ballot box. all of that is not happening when you vote by mail. the laws that prohibit candidates from electioneering anywhere inside or close to a polling place don't apply to people's home so that means party activists, campaign staffers, political guns for hire can show up at your home and pressure you to vote a particular way or coerce you to vote a particular way and we see that in proven absentee ballot cases. additionally, you are putting your ballot, after you completed it, into the mail, hoping that the postal service will deliver it in time, we know that's problematic. every single recent primary from wisconsin to the district of columbia to maryland, new york, all of them are states where they encourage everyone to try to vote by absentee ballot and every one of the states they had problem with

them not getting delivered to voters or delayed to the point where it was too late to vote them. >> when we come back, my question to you is this. there's been a lot of talk that the postal service needs another $25 billion. $3.5billion specifically to improve mail-in voting. so when we return, my question to you is, what will $25 billion, how about a hundred billion dollars, what will it do? will it improve the system? we'll be right back. >> tech: when you've got auto glass damage... ...safelite can come to you. >> tech: and you'll get a text when we're on our way. >> tech: just leave your keys on the dash and we'll replace your windshield with safe, no-contact service. >> tech: schedule at safelite.com. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ start your day with secret. secret stops sweat 3x more than ordinary antiperspirants. with secret, you're unstoppable. no sweat! try it and love it or get your money back.

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mark: welcome back. we are back with hans von spakovsky and he is a former commission of the federal election commission, four years of the department of civil rights, enforcement of federal, heritage foundation, all this debate that democrats are setting this up, we could fix this for $25 billion overall and i'm saying we gave them a hundred billion dollars and that won't fix the damn thing. what do you think. >> you're right about that.

as you pointed out, postal service has been losing money from years and their biggest problem is they are poorly managed, poorly organized, and any and all reforms to turn them into a modern functioning organization that is efficient the way private companies like federal express are has been exposed by seven unions that represent the employees of the postal service. typical washington speak is throw money at the problem. that is not going to solve the organizational and management problem at the postal service that cause these problems, and look, the mail delays and absentee ballot, the missed delivery of ballot, the failing to push close marks on the envelopes of absentee ballots, this is a problem that's been going on for years and suddenly throwing money at it, two months before the election isn't going to

resolve the problem they had had for the long. they have had. nor is it going to fix the state election law problems. mark: i see pennsylvania has said can we count our ballots three days after the election. you're going have the sort of things going on in one state court after another they are prepared to litigate this which is exactly why, tell me if you agree. by pelosi, the democrats and the media are trying to position this as a trump failure. he's in charge of the. [inaudible] he's in charge of the post office. didn't all the unions just endorse biden for president of united states? if he's in charge of the post office, their moving mailboxes and all the rest of it so again if the democrats come up short on election day, they're

going to go in court, proclaim trump, blame the post office, never blame their governor and bill accused trump of leaving office. in fact the game plan here. >> there setting everything up to game the system. you can look at the new york times area to see how they're going to do that. remember they are the ones who pushed for trying to have as many ballots cast by mail as possible. they then get a high rejection rate which is normal with absentee ballot. the rejection rate is about twice that of boas votes cast in the precinct. now there's in court. there's litigation going on in which they are telling and asking judges, in fact they got an order from a judge, ordering election officials to count the rejected ballots so another words there in court trying to convince a judge, which they've done, to count

absentee ballots which were rejected and the rejections are everything from signatures, not matching which indicates it might not have actually been submitted by that particular voter. it may have been a fraudulent voter to it not matching the requirement or meeting the requirement of state law which means it probably actually is an ineligible voter or in eligible ballot, and now they're going to count them and basically override state law on it pretty think you will see that kinda gamesmanship going on all over the country and claims that if you're not counting these ballots that were rejected, your engaging in discriminatory conduct and trying to keep people from voting even though that's obviously not the case. >> this will make the litigation in bush versus gore look ridiculously simple. democrats will decide to push

this into all the states and counties. they'd like to do it nationwide and then you're exactly right, if you don't go along you're suppressing the vote and you're right, they game the system. my concern is this. when i look back at the supreme court recently on a number of these election law cases whether it citizens united or whatever related to election law, we have 5 - 4 votes going on in that court. my concern is the chief justice may well flip the activists on the court and after that congress can step in. this could be completely unprecedented, any constitutional crisis, i don't want to get into the weeds of this, maybe one day i will but there going to be duking it out as they meet together, counting electoral college votes and we can only imagine what that's going to look like when you have congressmen and senators all gather together fighting over what just took place in the states.

wouldn't this be a disastrous constitutional mass steven gatewood. i took new york six weeks to count the ballot. we've only got two and half months to do that between the november election and inauguration day. we could have huge delays all over the country, particularly if there's litigation going on contesting the result and there's ben, mark i couldn't believe it, there have been upwards of 150 lawsuits filed this year, an unprecedented number almost all by liberals trying to change the rules governing elections including things, by the way, trying to get rid of the security protocol governing absentee or mail-in ballots saying you should have to have a witness signature on your ballot and other things like that so if you can imagine litigation going on all over the country after november, big long delays in counting the ballots, it's possible that

for the first time in our history we could get to january 20 and not know the outcome of the election because of the litigation going on all over the country and i'm not sure a lot of people know this mark but there's actually a federal statute that says that if the outcome of the election has not been determined by january 20 which is the end of the president's term, the acting president will become the speaker of the united states house of representatives. >> well, i think we would challenge that on constitutional grounds regardless of the statute, but i don't there's any question that the party that hopes to benefit from this chaos is the democrat party. you can see what they've done to our cities, you can see what they've done to our political dialogue. you can see how they operate through the media and hollywood and our universities so what the hell, destroy another institution. the president of the united states is the thomas paine on this issue. he's telling the american people what's going to happen,

certainly what might happen in the democrats have no problem with that and they're going to try to blame him. hans, i want to thank you. i appreciate it. keep up the great work and we'll be right since you're heading off to school, i got you this brita. dad... i just got a zerowater. but we've always used brita. doesn't compare to zerowater's 5-stage. this meter shows how much stuff, or dissolved solids, gets left behind. our tap water is 220. brita? 110... seriously? but zerowater- let me guess. zero? yup, that's how i know it is the purest-tasting water. i need to find the receipt for that. oh yeah, you do.

live from america's news headquarters i'm ashley strohmeyer. the fda announced the emergency use of blood plasma if the coronavirus continues to ravage the u.s. with more than 176,000 dead. it will be taken from patients who have recovered from covid-19 with the hope that the antibodies in the blood will help those who are currently struggling. president trump claiming that treatment is very effective. to powerful storms about to slam into the gulf coast just a few days apart. tropical storm laura will hit in essentially the same location. forecasters are predicting it to pick up strength and potentially be upgraded to a category one hurricane. they are urging residents to find shelter and stay safe. now back to life, liberty and ln >> hydroxychloroquine, six months ago us pedestrians had

never heard of it pronounce the most controversial drug on the face of the planet. it's worse than heroin, it's worse than opioids if you listen to media and other so-called scientists. steve is a veteran neurologist and he recently wrote there are 53 studies that show positive results in covid infections. there's 14 studies that show neutral or negative results in ten of them are patients in very late stages of covid-19. where no antiviral drug can be expected have much affect. the remaining four studies, to come from the steam university author. the other are from the paper that should be retracted what is going on here. this is very bizarre. then i have this. an article written by harvey

who is a professor of epidemiology in the school of public health, author of over 300 peer-reviewed publications. he writes in part, i'm usually accustomed to advocating for physicians within the mainstream of medicine. i've been trying to find an midst of a crisis that i'm fighting. treatment fortunately the situation could be reversed easily and quickly. you read this is a nonmedical professor and you go what in the world is going on here. the president is promoting it. we see some doctors promoting it. were blown off twitter, their considered kooks and here we

have this top professor who says wait a minute, that's not true. professor, how are user. >> i'm good. nice to be here. the question is you've looked at all the studies and what you conclude? >> i conclude the evidence is overwhelming, national question that the people who need to be treated and are treated early, it has a very substantial benefit in reducing risk of hospitalization and mortality and there has been a massive disinformation campaign that stretches from the government to the media that is either suppressing this message or its countering it with the false message. i'm not an expert in reasons why that's happening other than just observing it but i am an expert in the science and i can tell you the science is one-sided. in fact the science is so one-sided in supporting this

result that it's stronger than anything else i've ever studied in my entire career. the evidence in favor of hydroxy-chloroquine in high risk patients treated early is stronger than anything else i've ever studied so scientifically there's no question whatsoever. >> and most of the studies that are cited by the government scientists and the media are studies that do not treat patients very early in the virus. is that correct. >> it's either that there hospitalized patients or studies that treat low risk patients. these are people under age 60 with no chronic conditions so on people that will survive the virus just on their own without treatment almost entirely and those people, virtually nobody's hospitalized so those are low

risk people and were not talking about treating them. were talking about treating people over 60 or with chronic condition, obesity, diabetes and so on. those are the people at risk of being hospitalized and dying from this illness. those are the people who has to be treated and every study that looks at that group of people show a strong benefit. there are no studies that showed lack of benefit. mark: doctor anthony found she has been in government for many years he heads the infectious office for a very, very long time, over three decades, and when he's asked about this during testimony, he absolutely blows off hydroxychloroquine. he says the science is the science, you tell us the science says yes, he says no. has doctor fauci ever called you and asked you your opinion and why you have the opinion you do?

>> no. >> and you're renowned. i've done research on your background, you are a renowned expert, one of the top schools in america. let me ask you this. has the head of the food and drug administration, the fda ever contacted you and asked you about your review of these various studies. >> during the time when the fda was considering a petition for early use authorization and outpatient of hydroxychloroquine that was submitted by the henry ford hospital doctors, during that time i filed the brief with the fda demonstrating both the evidence that supports usage and the complete lack of harm or any systematic data that the fda had set on their website. just reading what they say shows they have no data about adverse events. he responded, i sent him this

by e-mail and he responded thank you for that. that is the only contact i've had with them. >> so none of the heads of these various government entities have bothered to consult with you and basically when you go on these various media programs, particularly on cnn they spend most of the time reclaiming their time and interrupting you and make it impossible for you to explain why you have the position that you have. when we come back i want to spend a little bit more time looking at thehehehehe tracfone wireless gives you unlimited carryover data. $20 bucks. no contract. $20 bucks? wow, that's great. yeah, hit decline. i don't want to talk to her. hit me. get me. this is your wake-up call, people. tracfone wireless. now you're in control.

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or have a certain type of critical reaction to this drug? >> no. the evidence is that healthy people with heart disease generally do fine on this medication, but like any medication, they should be prescribed with, by a doctor who is following the patient, knows the patient, knows what to expect and is able to monitor it. all medication should be used this way and this is no different but this is a very safe medication. the medication itself has, in some people, perhaps 10% of normal people can change the pacing of the heart muscle contraction car hold the heart rhythm. that change has only measurement value. in other words if you measure it on electro cardiogram you can measure it and hear it. it has almost no bearing for

any risk of real arrhythmia that has potentially life-threatening consequences. it is very, very low risk. mark: it's interesting you should say that. on may 1 15 the washington post, a drug promoted by trump as a coronavirus game changer, the headline was blared, is that true it's increasingly linked to death and what's the data for this? >> first of all it doesn't say which patients. if you're talking about very sick hospitalized patients that get it as a last ditch effort because nothing else is working, then there might be some relationship like that. if you're talking about healthy outpatients who are getting it among, for example the 10 billion people who have gotten over the past 55 years there's no relationship at all so you have to be very specific about who you're talking about when you make statements like that. mark: again, as a pedestrian,

no expert but i read the various reports and i read what you write and i draw my own conclusions from this, it is incredible to me that in the middle of this pandemic that are drug that has been used for over half a century where the testing has been so thorough and it's been ubiquitous and it's so cheap, each pill is very, very cheap, that there is this effort to fight it and fight it and destroy the doctors and the experts who dare to suggest that in the early stages you might want to use something that's prescribed by a doctor. now pharmacists are afraid to provide it and doctors are concerned to prescribe it and hospitals, some hospitals won't prescribe it and this has been politicized in an incredible way, and you right here, wait a minute, this drug can save thousands and thousands of lives.

have used ever seen anything like this? >> never, no. somehow we have let politics overrule science and it's an absurd situation that people have compared this to 1984 and so forth, limiting what people can say, it's beyond belief. mark: i watch when you do interviews on other networks, the so-called news hosts are literally angry at you. they're shouting, interrupting you, they won't even let you make your case. that seems a little odd too, doesn't it. >> well, here's the thing. i think they know the treatment works. they're afraid to let it be tried because that would show that it works so the message has to be shut at all costs because anything will leak out, and it is leaking out and you see across the country

people have started to speak up and have become deathly ill and turned around in three days or sooner and these are now public figures who are speaking out who said the medicine save their lives and it's very difficult to close all the leaks in that dike that are being suppressed by the media that are trying to do that. mark: it's also being suppressed by individuals in these very scientific it a medical communities, the bureaucrats if you will who are claiming that they are the ones following the science and you and people like you are not following the science. when we come back and when asked about that as a professional, an expert, a man who's been in this field for decades, what can be done when the bureaucrats and the federal government who are backed up by the media because from a political perspective this is how they approach it, what can be done in the

private sector when you have experts, people, professional others that say wait a minute, we need access to this drug, our patients need access to this drug. we'll be right back.

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during those two years the fda approved. it works but not completely. it needs other medications as well. during the time they support using on not allowing. they relied on doctor fauci for hydroxy-chloroquine in outpatients, and this is counter to the facts of the case. the evidence is overwhelming but the evidence also said the harm of using these medications in outpatients overweight the benefit and

they said this with no information, no evidence whatsoever of any harm in outpatient and this is provable both by the fact that the fda webpage says as a warning against outpatient use but relies on inpatient hospital data which means they don't have any outpatient data as well as the fact that 90% of the cases of coven this year have occurred since the time of the fda restricted usage to inpatient only. the fda knows it has no data and yet it denied the henry ford petition. doctor fauci and the fda are doing the same thing that was done in 1987 and that led to the death of hundreds of thousands of americans who could have been saved by usage of this drug. this is the same thing that the fda has done. it's outrageous. people need to be writing or

calling their congressman and senator and complaining this is not the way the country should work, that bureaucracy in bed with other forces are causing us to make decisions that are not based on science and it's killing americans and it's not acceptable. >> at a minimum they ought to be reaching out to experts like you and all over the country who have something to contribute to this. after all it's a pandemic and constantly going on tv and telling them to wear a mask over and over again and social distancing, that doesn't sound very scientific to me. i want to thank you doctor harvey risch for your courage and insight for publishing what you're publishing. i know that it can't be easy but it's a very, very important public service. god bless you. we'll be right back.

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crucially important subjects, our electoral system and science in our healthcare. this is what happens when free speech is attacked, when the cancel culture, and who and what is responsible for this, it's an ideology. it is marxism, call it democratic socialism, call it statism, call it progressive, call it whatever you want. those few of you that watch the democratic national convention, you heard it constantly. you're free speech is so we have ideas and you can compare things and there's competition and we can figure out what to do and what's right, but mormor that doesn't exist. try speaking out in favor of the president in the classroom on civics, on any college campus. try inviting a conservative or

a non- left us to speak at a graduation ceremony. go to your local school board and see what they think when you say all lives matter. just try it. look at what's happening to our media, the new york times, the washington post, cnn, msnbc, vacate any media platform or individual who dares to speak out in a way that's different from them. this is why fox is under constant attack. talk radio is under constant attack and those of you who are think for yourselves are demeaned and degraded and under attack. we are facing a very, very serious problem in this country. it's called tierney and if the tyranny of the left, looks what happens to our cities and school and look what's happening to our media and our medicine, look what's happening to our courts and now look what's going to happen on election day. you need to be the thomas paine's and the precinct

workers and talk to your family, friends, colleagues and coworkers. it's not what can we do, it's what can you do, what can i do. you're a patriot, you know exactly what to do november 3. see you next time on life, liberty and levin. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> breaking tonight as the republican convention gets underway, to major exclusives on this show. the first details of president trump second term policy agenda and the president himself here for the hour and wide-ranging conversation. good evening and welcome to "the next revolution". this is the home of positive populism. pro-work, pro-family, pro-community, and espe cially pro-america. in a moment my conversation with president trump covers everything from the virus, the economy, china, healthcare, education, law and order and skills training to get america back to work. plus later on our friend tammy bruce will be here to