>> trace: sandra, great to see you on this incredibly busy news day. >> sandra: a lot of news. the coverage continues right here on the fox news channel. thanks for joining us. "outnumbered" starts now. >> melissa: fox news alert, president trump and vice president pence are set to be briefed at fema headquarters at one: 15. that's the next hour, on hurricane laura. in louisiana, major damage to buildings in the lake charles area where wind speeds were reported at a whopping 132 miles per hour overnight. in texas, massive flooding along coastal areas where several counties were under mandatory evacuation orders. entire blocks of homes waterlogged as search and rescue efforts continue this afternoon. over half a million are without

power in both states, as the storm, no category 1 strength, moves further inland. and the louisiana governor confirming the first death from the storm, a 14-year-old girl, who died after a tree fell on her home. we will have much more on this later in the hour. for now, we have leland vittert come alive in lake charles, louisiana. leland? >> melissa, good morning. this is what people are waking up to. in this case, it was the wind. not necessarily the water in the storm surge they were worried about, but because this much damage. it was the tornado, it was 150-mile-an-hour winds for a good hour or so here in lake charles. the numbers you gave, 500,000 without power and one dead, are now two dead. i can assure you, is a lot more than half a million people without power this morning. they said it's way early for the

major damage assessments, but they believe they've got good news here, which is that they think there's not a lot of people who need to be rescued. there's not a lot of calls for water rescues in the way we've seen in past hurricanes, because the storm surge wasn't as much as they thought it would be. to show you some pictures of what is really concerning the governor, who has ordered a stay inside order and told people and residents just south of i-10 to turn off the air conditioning us and stay inside due to a massive chemical fire. they have a huge refinery center on the bayous. there's a number of these facilities, and there are massive fires. the police have closed interstate ten, which creates its own mess and it of itself. the governor now tweeting that he views this as very serious, telling people to stay at home, which, obviously, staying at home and he don't have power or air conditioning, a lot of people don't have water, is

absolutely miserable. two people are dead, there is a thought that this could have been so much worse, and people now are just trying to begin the process of debris here, the windsor about 20 miles per hour, the rains have stopped. just beginning the process of trying to assess if they have a house to come home to. >> melissa: wow. leland vittert, thank you so much for that report. we appreciate it. boy, it's tough to look at those pictures. another fox news alert, protests in kenosha, wisconsin, staying relatively calm overnight as the white house says it deployed federal agents and help to boost the national guard presence there. wisconsin's governor yesterday accepting president trump's offer of federal help. president trump are urging other democratic governors to request federal assistance to stop protests from turning into riots. this is as looters destroyed several businesses in downtown

minneapolis last night following a gunman's suicide that was rumored to be a police killing. in portland, oregon, police declaring an unlawful assembly and making arrests after being pelted with objects as rioters targeted a federal building during the 91st consecutive night of protests. portland's mayor pleading with the community to take a stand against the violence. >> they are intent on creating mayhem and attacking and harming people, not just property. that is a line we can't allow our community to cross. not anymore. enough is enough. it is time to rise up and take immediate steps to repair and beautify our city. >> melissa: this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today is harris faulkner. town hall editor and fox news contributor, katie pavlich. executive director of serve

america pac and fox news contributor, marie harf. during us today, "fox news sunday," chris wallace. chris, i will start with you. without cry asking people to stand down and to stand up against the violence, but to stop with all of this, i would add to that matt finn's reporting, our own matt finn, saying that they placed quick dry cement in the door locks of a police precinct, and then they set fire outside. how is this going on? why aren't we able to stop it? what is your reaction? >> chris: well, it is interesting, as you pointed out at the beginning, melissa, president trump has 200 federal agents -- fbi, dea, u.s. marshals -- in the kenosha area to help settle the situation there. in fact, in wisconsin, local officials seem to have already taken action before the president sent out his call.

governor tony evers put 250 national guard on the street in kenosha on tuesday, which was a very bad day in kenosha, a bad night. last night he doubled that a 500 national guard, and it was a much calmer night. in minneapolis, you are also seeing local and state authorities take it on their own. minneapolis' mayor, jacob frey, called for a state of emergency. minnesota governor walz activated the national guard, and both of those before the president's call. certainly a much faster response than they had after the george floyd killing earlier this summer. the place i don't understand -- and that piece of tape you just ran on portland, they have now had 91 straight nights of protest. many of those nights, you really shouldn't call them protests, you should call them riots. now you finally have portland's mayor, ted wheeler, saying

enough is enough. really? enough is enough after 91 nights? you think he would have gotten the message along time time ago. both in portland and in seattle, it seems like a show of force, whether it's from the national guard, from local, state authorities. they would have put an end to this a lot faster. >> melissa: yeah, marie, how do you respond to that? >> marie: melissa, we've also seen a rise in vigilante justice going after some of these protesters and rioters. in kenosha this week, tragically, we saw a 17-year-old young man with an ar-15 walk into the protests and kill two protesters. murder them. he is now being charged with murder. >> melissa: nobody is saying that's okay. we are asking you why portland -- why hasn't -- >> marie: can i finish, melissa? >> melissa: why have they spun out of control for so long? no, you dodged the question. i want you to talk about portland.

>> marie: okay, but what are we not talking about the fact that, in the context of these protests and riots in many cities across the country, there is a vigilante justice movement that is taking up arms to push back. that is part of the portland story, melissa. you cannot separate them apart. >> melissa: i don't think anyone supporting that. we are saying we need to stop all violence. >> marie: okay, but in a whole litany things we mentioned about what's going on in cities, that wasn't mentioned. i think it's important to mention. i'm glad the mayor of portland has come out and said this. the political context on top of all of this, you've heard at the republican convention this week, republicans trying to put all of this at the feet of joe biden. someone who does not support defunding the police. he has spoken out forcefully against the rioters. politically, there is clearly a tactic on the republican side saying this is something joe biden supports and this would be what it's like if your president. ignoring the irony that

donald trump is actually president right now. there's a political dynamic here but i think we should talk abo about. >> melissa: harris, far from laying it at the feet of joe biden, all anyone has said since last week is, "why, when you had the biggest megaphone on the planet, when you are having the democratic national convention and -- ">> harris: actually said it. >> melissa: is the best opportunity possible to stand up and say to stop the violence. he said nothing. it took all the way until after the convention was over. >> harris: where were the democrats who actually say those things? representative emanuel cleaver of missouri was one of those who was tasked with responding to ferguson years ago, and he told me that there were so many people coming in from out of state that they couldn't ignore that component of what broke out in ferguson. that it took a lot of help and a lot of time to break the chain of those people coming into instigate. plus, then you had what we are

seeing now. you had people expressing their frustration in ways that i just can't even comprehend. breaking glass, stealing from other people, black on black crime. like, how does that help the movement that they say they are about, some of those peaceful protesters, black lives matter? it's a conundrum, it really is. but all of that put together, we are now at a place where i ask this question, too. what is going on at 3:00 in the morning that is going to help your life at 3:00 p.m.? and oh, by the way, dr. king did not march at night. people who have marched with him told me that. emmanuel cleaver said it again a couple days ago. so, if they are trying to emulate something that actually is effective, they are way off mark, here. now we are talking about defunding people who are tasked with protecting all of us through this. not just the ones in the streets, but those business

owners who say that they are trapped inside their own cities with the rioting going on. >> melissa: rehab. katie, as you look at some of the individual acts, that idea of pouring quick dry cement into the locks at a police station and then lighting it on fire so your intent is obviously that they would burn alive, or this other incident in minneapolis, where the government's suicide -- there was, apparently, according to reports, he had been involved in a shooting, he tried to escape, he had his own gun. when police closed in, he committed suicide. quickly, this rumor spread that another person had been killed by police, and that lit up the rioting again before anyone knew the actual facts of what had gone on, which is that that person who was being pursued had actually turned the gun on himself, not that the police had shot him. what is going on with all of these actions? >> katie: well, in portland,

portland, anarchists there have been engaging in attempted murder against federal and local law enforcement for months now. when you try to block doors where there are federal law enforcement agents inside, and try to like the place on fire, that is attempted murder. when it comes to how you stop this and why people are doing what they are doing, you are making a choice as a leader not to stop riots at the beginning. there are resources to help you do that. the wisconsin governor rejected, according to the white house chief of staff, additional resources and national guard before the most horrific night we've seen this week in kenosha. this is a choice that they are making not to stop the violence initially. the argument a vigilante justice, when you have no police around to defend businesses and people who are being attacked, and their livelihoods burned to the ground, there is a void that is filled. you have to ask yourself, when resources are offered at the beginning of when these riots

break out, and rejected by democratic leaders over and over again, you have to ask the question why. this is a pattern of behavior not just now. you'll remember, in baltimore a couple years ago, when the mayor said she gave the "protesters" room to destroy, and they completely went through the city and ruined everything, this is a pattern of behavior which democratic leaders are not capable of defending their cities and the people who live within them. >> melissa: that's a great point, the vigilantes are just as much the fault of those local leaders who have failed so miserably. great point. we are keeping an eye on hurricane laura as emergency crews report to a trapped survivor, and assess the storm's path of destruction. plus, vice president pence painting joe biden in the darkest terms, saying america won't be safe under a biden presidency. this, as some democrats -- that violent protests we are seeing can only help president trump.

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>> we will have lost and order on the streets of this country r every american of every race and creed and color. joe biden would double down on the very policies that are leading to violence in america's cities. the hard truth is, you won't be safe and joe biden's america. >> harris: the law and order

taking center stage in night three of the rnc as speakers fiercely defended police, and vice president mike pence warning americans will be safe under a joe biden presidency. those comments came after biden denounced the violence in kenosha, wisconsin, earlier in the day and said he is sickened by what happened to jacob blake. >> protesting brutality is a right and absolutely necessary, but burning down communities does not protest. it is needless violence. violence that endangers lives, violence that god's businesses and shutters businesses serving the community. that's wrong. >> harris: chris wallace, "law & order." how was it resonating -- to have an idea with the burden suburban parents? >> chris: we know in the latest fox poll that suburban registered voters, by a margin of 16 points, favor biden over

trump. when you ask in the poll, who do you trust more to handle policing and criminal justice, biden led by six points. i think they realize they made a big mistake in the democratic convention, not saying what he said they are. that the jacob blake case is very troubling, that we need to respond to that, and questions of racism or unequal justice in the inner-city. all the other hand, forcefully condemning violence in the streets. i think they made a mistake in not doing that, and he's going to do it now, but obviously that video isn't going to get nearly the attention has accepted speech did get. i've got to push back on something we said at the end of the last segment, because there seemed to be the implication that somehow vigilante justice was understandable or justified by the lack of sufficient police

action and authority and presence in some of the city's -- >> melissa: no. >> chris: i just got to say this. >> melissa: that's not what was said. >> chris: well, that seemed to be the implication, that vigilantes -- let me finish. >> katie: by who? >> chris: vigilantes were filling the void from police. just as it is fair to say that rioting and looting is a completely inappropriate response to george floyd or jacob blake, vigilante justice is a completely inappropriate response to the rioting in the street. there is no justification for what happened in kenosha. >> melissa: obviously. >> chris: and vigilante justice is a crime and should be punished as a crime. >> melissa: obviously. >> harris: we did not say that. we did not say that before, and -- please let me finish. >> chris: you were saying a fill the void. i don't think that's right. >> harris: melissa is saying nobody is saying that the right thing to do. but to actually point out that

it is, in fact, a crime is the nuance of what chris wallace is saying. i think we've had a complete conversation on that. let's talk about where you are with the politics of law and order. in the suburbs you were giving us some numbers on how joe biden still wins. a slimmer margin with that 6%. obviously, he would have to acknowledge this. marie, he had a huge bully pulpit last week. as chris and i and others have pointed out, joe biden didn't use it. he is behind on this issue now. when they re-poll after this convention, everybody gets their bump. what do democrats need to do? >> marie: harris, i guess i'm a little perplexed by this constant call on democrats like joe biden to address every instance of rioting and looting and somehow come out and speak about them, but there isn't a call that i have heard from republicans on people like

donald trump or mike pence to condemn right wing violence. going back to kenosha, we have heard crickets from this white house on the right wing 17-year-old man who murdered two protesters. last night mike pence talked about an oakland police officer that had been shot, did not mention that they were shot by someone who was actually part of a white right wing group. i think joe biden has been very outspoken about this. should he have done it last week at the convention? maybe. i'm not sure how much it will impact voters. when we talk about suburban voters, for a number of reasons, they have come back to the democratic party in the last few years. i think the race will tighten because the republicans are really hammering on this "law & orderlawlaw andorder the. people don't see this violence and they don't blame joe biden for it in the cities. there's not a connection there that is resonating, i don't think, with voters. >> harris: i'm going to step in because i want to get another voice in here. i want to be able to go to

katie, if we can. katie, clue the president has that same mantle right now. democrats are using it. i should say, republicans -- >> katie: you broke up a little bit there. right, they are using this as an opening. the president is not just talking about condemning violence. he is actually sending national guard and federal law enforcement to prevent vigilante justice, to prevent rioters from burning down businesses. it's interesting that joe biden wouldn't come out in a more forceful fashion, considering the people suffering the most from these riots are the very people they claim to be standing up for in protecting. it's the people in the inner-city who need these types of services and businesses to get their food, to get the clothing for their children. there's been a number of interviews of people who live in these places who are completely devastated by their communities being completely destroyed. it's about the minnesota african immigrantimmigrant who saved als

money while he worked as a firefighter to start his own business. it was closed for covid, and as soon as it open again, it was burned to the ground by rioters. so, yes, president trump may not say everything marie wants him to say, but he's actually acting and putting in law enforcement that will stop these things from occurring, whether it's a scuffle in the street that ends up in a shooting in people who are dead, or whether it's businesses that have been burned to the ground, that these people will never be able to get back. >> harris: i do want to point out, as we had to commercial, the difference in reacting to things in real time. the democrats didn't do that with what was playing out in the streets in big cities across america. we saw a prayer for jacob blake a couple nights ago head off night two of the republican convention. it's a juxtaposition. i'll move on. hurricane laura causing major damage in louisiana in particular, and texas. search and rescue efforts underway right now. hundreds of thousands of people without electricity, utilities

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>> melissa: fox news alert, the president and vice president are set to be briefed at fema headquarters in washington next hour on the impact of hurricane laura. louisiana taking the brunt of the storm's fury, with significant damage in the lake charles area. at least one death has been confirmed in the state, a 14-year-old girl who was killed when a tree fell on her home. in texas, massive flooding in some hard-hit areas. state officials say the damage was less than what they feared, but search and rescue crews are

still on the lookout for anyone who needs help. hundreds of thousands were without power this morning, and utilities say they could be in the dark for weeks. the storm is no category 1 hurricane and is forecast to continue losing strength as it moves further inland. but the states still in its path are likely to see heavy rain, winds, and possibly even tornadoes. preparations are underway for president trump to formally accept the republican party's presidential nomination tonight. the president will address the nation live from the white house, capping off the fourth and final night the g.o.p. convention. this morning, white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany gave us a preview of what we can expect from the president's speech. >> he's going to be laying out a vision, the real choice for americans as to which america they want to live in. what they want their country to

look like. i think, most importantly, what this president is going to do is lay out what he's done over the last four years. this will be a grand speech surveying what he's done for the american people. >> melissa: so, chris, we are getting some excerpts of the speech ahead of time that have come out online and, in fact, the white house -- or of the campaign, at least -- has confirmed some of these details. that he's going to say -- we barely heard a word about their agenda, meaning the democrats last week at the convention. it's because their agenda is the most extreme set of proposals ever put forward by a major nominee. painting this ticket is extreme left. democrats push back on that and say joe biden was very mainstream. you had for president obama saying there's very little difference between joe biden and bernie sanders. what are your thoughts? >> chris: i think, to a large degree, what president trump

needs to do tonight is what mike pence did very ably last night. to make the case for president trump for what he has done, even what he's done in response to the coronavirus, and to really lay into joe biden and what clearly are the terms he is going to, taking the country in the wrong direction. i will say one other thing, though. karl rove has forgotten more about politics than i will ever know, and he says the one weakness so far for president trump is he hasn't laid out an agenda for a second term. people want to have a sense it's going to be more of the same. do you think of bill clinton in '96 talking about a bridge to the 21st century, george w. bush, bush 43, in 2004, talking about private social security and opportunity zones. i do think president trump needs to lay out some kind -- it doesn't have to be a state of

the union, but some sense of where he wants to take the country over the next four years. maybe some specifics on it. one thing i note, when i interviewed the president at the white house in mid-july, he talked about a big health care reform plan that was going to be unveiled within two weeks. here we are, more than a month later, we so i haven't seen it. that's the kind of thing i want to hear tonight. >> melissa: katie, that's an interesting point with chris, because i remember on day one i saw the layout of the 10 million jobs in ten months. he talked about the opportunity zones. but this was the platform in writing. maybe he hasn't spelled that out well enough in words during the convention, that chris hasn't seen that spelled out in the spoken out. we seen that on paper, but it doesn't help people out there in america who are very busy. >> katie: throughout the week, a lot of the speakers have been emphasizing president trump's record, and that we are in a

very tough economic situation, and they hearken back to remembering before the coronavirus came to america, what the president was do with the economy, and that he will do it again. more specifics vocally from the president would be good, but as we are also seeing, he's going to go after joe biden and his record, pointing to him as a washington insider who really hasn't done much for the country given all the years he's been in office. also a theme we've heard from a number of speakers this week. really making the case that he is the one fighting for every day regular americans from the inside out, the outside and, rather than being a regular politician as joe biden is, bring him back into the fray of basic, normal, typical washington politics. >> melissa: you know, mary, as you get to the end of the second convention, it really strikes me -- i think everybody would agree, there is so much distance between these candidates. they have almost nothing in common. it's not really a question for

most voters of who they like. so many people really like one and really can't stand the other, or like one's policies and really can't stand the other ones policies. it's more about firing up your group to kind of turn out the biggest boat on each side. is that a fair characterization, do you think? >> marie: i think that is certainly the trump campaign philosophy. firing up the base. you will hear a lot of red meat from donald trump tonight, including things that are likely to be fact-checked as incorrect, but you saw this morning the biden campaign releasing romney staffers for biden, mccain staffers for biden, george w. bush suffers for biden. they highlighted last week republicans and independents who voted for trump and are now voting for biden. i think democrats are focusing not on the base necessarily but on expanding their electorate. the republicans this week have really tripled down on culture war, cancel culture, the politics of the base, and i think donald trump will probably do that tonight, as well.

that's been his strategy all along. the challenges he can't win back with the base. if he doesn't do things tonight to speak to suburban voters, college-educated women, some of these parts of the electorate he has been bleeding for the last three and a half years, i think it would be a mistake strategically for him. >> melissa: all right, we will see. we are monitoring hurricane laura as elite search and rescue teams are on the ground in the wake of the powerful storm. prominent republican women on the trump team sharing their personal stories about the president during our nc speeches last night. while their support help the campaign win back some female voters? >> who we want to show the american people the president trump we see. president trump values women and he put us there because we were the best people for the job, not because we are women. ♪ now is the time for a new bath from bath fitter.

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>> a woman in a leadership role can still seem novel. not so for president trump. for decades he has elevated women to senior positions in business and in government. he confides in and consults us, respect our opinions, and insists that we are on equal footing with the men. he will build upon the great american edict that our union will never be perfect until opportunity is equal for all, including and especially for women. >> harris: several high-profile women inside the trump administration showcasing a softer side of the president last night. the administration and his campaign, i should say. and they shared emotional stories about how he has empowered them professionally and supported them personally. one striking example, white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany shared her deeply personal story about the support she received from president trump after

undergoing a preventative double mastectomy. >> during one of my most difficult times, i expected to have the support of my family. but i had more support than i knew. it was president trump calling to check on me. i was blown away. >> harris: you know, marie, when you look at this, so much of the criticism from the left for this president has been about women. undeniably this week we have seen some of the strongest women in the country. it doesn't matter which box they check. i'm curious how you think this resonates across the country, no matter how you vote. >> well, we've seen stories about republican women particularly very concerned about the fact that donald trump and republicans in general have lost a lot of support with women. polls on average have him anywhere down between 15 or 25

points depending what poll you look at. this is a strategy to highlight some of these women. i've always said kellyanne conway is the best representative of the president on tv. i think is incredibly effective even though she doesn't always say everything exactly accurately. i think she's incredibly effective. i would say the reason that republicans are losing support of women is because donald trump has appointed judges and justices that are undercutting women's health. he has taken on legal cases undercutting women's health, and also his behavior towards women. >> harris: i want to step in and get to the next person, with all due respect to the next person on the panel. christmas balls, your response to the women we are seeing in the conventions, particularly the speak the rnc. >> chris: it has the added advantage of being true, which is that donald trump has, both at the trump organization and in the white house, put women and a lot of positions of power.

whether it's kellyanne conway or sarah huckabee sanders or kayleigh mcenany, hope hicks, he could go on and on. cabinet secretaries. i think that's true. in the end, women aren't going to vote for what he has done for women in his cabinet or in his white house. they are going to vote for what he's going to do for them. i think it, on some issues, for instance health care again, that he's got a problem. kayleigh mcenany told this very powerful emotional story come that she is somebody with a preexisting condition, but here we are almost four years into the trump presidency and he still hasn't come out with a health plan that would protect people with pre-existing conditions. that is the kind of thing i really think a change minds among women and men. >> harris: he did address that, right? katie? he did address that with an executive movement that he said would protect that, and he knows that he wants to do something different than the aca.

i would imagine that would be at least a step toward that. but this idea of health is something that keeps coming up. usually, katie, it's two liens. it's your money, it's your health. it's your money, it's your life. in the laying of the money, obviously all these things you're talking about -- the economy, coronavirus bill, whatever -- not whatever, but in addition to. with health care, it's broader than just a plan. that plan has to include covid-19 at this point. something we haven't heard a lot about during this rnc convention. >> katie: i think we'll hear from the president on the things his administration has done on the virus. in terms of women, only the women inside the white house speaking, there were a number of women this week including a woman with a very rare form of cancer who credits wh her surveilled president trump and his policy toward right to try, people having choices in terms f health care and able to try things that government

bureaucrats say should be able to try. in terms of everyday women, there was a farmer from wisconsin, a woman, her business has been better as a result of president trump's policy. it's not a health care issue, i just want to decode a little bit, that health care issues for women, the accusation is that women's health is being attacked. that means abortion. republican women would argue, many of them, that they believe in protecting all women, including women in the womb, and that abortion is not health care. that is something that is said but not always an honest portrayal of the situation. >> harris: that's an interesting point. okay, we will move to this. american sports largely coming to a halt after nba players decided to walk off the court in protest of the police shooting of jacob blake in kenosha, wisconsin. the support they are getting from team officials and elsewhere around the globe. plus, president trump is set to receive a briefing at fema

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>> melissa: much of the sports world came to a halt in the wake of the police shooting of jacob blake. the nba postponed all three playoff game set for wednesday after the milwaukee bucks refused to play. this, as reports say players for the l.a. lakers and clippers voted to end the season right now during a reportedly tense meeting with other players. but now they have reportedly all agreed to continue the postseason. across the sports world, the wnba also postponing games last night along with a major league baseball. chris, what do you think of this stand in this way of making a point? >> chris: well, it's a big deal, because sports is a big deal in america. the idea that these people, the nba, overwhelmingly african-american players, just couldn't countenance going out and playing games when they think something is wrong with racial justice in this country. it has been a theme for the nba

all along. they have racial justice slogans on their uniforms. interestingly enough, it has spread to major league baseball, which is a sport that does not have such an overwhelming predominance of black players. i think it speaks to the fact that they are not in any way justifying the riots, the lieutenant, all of that stuff. that is unacceptable. but there seems to be a growing sense in this country that there is something wrong in terms of race relations. you saw after george floyd that the black lives matter movement -- not the organization, but the movement -- did spike in support. this represents that. as far as the players are concerned, whether you agree with them or not, i think you have to applaud the fact that they are acting on their convictions. >> melissa: harris, some people have made the point that these players are very wealthy, and try to somehow make that seem like they are hypocritical. to me, this loo looks like a vey

effective way to get your point across per that's the microphone they have most effectively, not going out onto the court. what are your thoughts? >> harris: is certainly different than taking a knee. another taking a seat. that affects a lot of people's bottom line. if you want to talk about the te players and capitalism come we'll talk about that. but the owners, the managers, the arenas, there is a whole flow. even though they're in a bubble right now, there still people benefiting from that bubble. they still get that platform and that attention you're talking about, melissa. this is their greatest platform, this is what we have seen, particularly prominent black athletes, due for decades. they take that platform and they tried to make change in greater society. i just question what it does accomplish when the other side of the backdrop is all about writing. i think they need to be an honest discussion about black on black crime, rioting, how it goes together and how we can

move together as a nation, as all live splatter, black lives matter, so on and so forth. if those players can help do that, take several seeds and start a conversation, wow. imagine what that might do. >> melissa: very interesting point. marie, do you want to close it off? >> marie: yes, and athletes like lebron james have put their money where their mouth is. they've started organizations devoted to getting out the vote, getting people engaged in those kinds of discussions. football players like malcolm jenkins doing the same thing. some of them are taking those words and putting them into action. i think that's very admirable, that they are helping be a part of this national cultural conversation we are having right now. >> melissa: agreed. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. zes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. i wish i could shake your hand. granted. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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eastern tomorrow. thanks to you at home for watching. now, here's harris faulkner. >> harris: fox news alert now as we await the president, who is set to be briefed by fema. hurricane laura hit the united states, specifically southwest louisiana, as a category 4. wind speeds cooking above 190 miles per hour. "outnumbered overtime" now, i'm harris faulkner. this is cameron parish, louisiana, close to the texas border, as the storm was heading. laura is the most powerful storm to hit that region in more than a century. the storm caused widespread damage, flooding, as it took aim, and now it has moved inland. nick hunter, lake charles mayor. remember, we had him on yesterday, talking about preparing. this is his home where he is mayor, and this was him earlier