joining us on this amazing saturday morning in late august, almost done hope you have an amazing rest of saturday and we'll see you tomorrow. will: a little bit of college football, go have a nice saturday. pete: have a wonderful saturday we'll see you all tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. neil: all right, we are on post, hurricane laura watch. welcome everybody i'm neil cavuto and this is cavuto live we'll be busy the next two hours and so is the president. do presidents get frequent flier miles because this one has been traveling quite a bit going to both hurricane sites in louisiana and in texas later today and leaving the white house shortly. we're going to hear from charles watson whose in orange, texas on the cleanup efforts going there david spunt at the white house as the president engages the post-convention busy travel schedule so too by the way joe biden. we'll get to all that in a second first to charles watson in texas on what they're looking

at right now. hey, charles. >> reporter: hey, neil. president trump will get a look at some of the damage caused by hurricane laura later today, behind me is one example of what the president could see later this afternoon. check out this church, the force of the hurricane destroying the section of this building. you can see the chirp's pastor out here cleaning up this mess and meanwhile residents are just beginning to return to check out the extent of the damage the category 4 storm causing widespread destruction through texas and louisiana, in just a matter of hours, laura shredding homes and flooding communities for miles. right now more than 500,000 people are still without power, and an estimated 200,000 people in louisiana do not have access to water and it could take weeks for crews to restore those utilities. despite the devastation, some say things could have ended up

much worse. >> we flooded for ike the first time and then we flooded for harvey the second time, so i think everything to my home and the ceiling gave out but we didn't get the flooding. it's a miracle more houses are not demolished and all of the trees fell. it's just crazy. >> reporter: and throughout the day both the texas and louisiana national guard will continue search and rescue efforts for those who are missing. neil? neil: all right thank you my friend very much charles watson in texas on all of that david spunt at the white house. david do we know exactly how the president's day is going to go? how long he'll be at least in the region? >> neil good morning to you he's going to be there for the majority of the day coming back to the white house later this evening about 9:00 in the evening. he's actually still at the white house now getting ready to head to joint base andrews where he's

going to be taking off and then he's landing in lake charles, louisiana meeting with officials and neil, most importantly, the president is going to be getting some updates from local officials on the ground and also meeting with those most impacted specifically by hurricane laura. now, neil the president expected to land in a couple hours, after he takes off from joint base andrew, going to be talking to owners of businesses also homeowners obliterated by the category 4 storm. neil, a 14-year-old girl tragic ally died in louisiana after a tree fell on her home. the president approving a major disaster declaration for the state of louisiana, at the request of governor john bell edwards that means resources and money. louisiana needs both at this hour. president trump: i've spec spoken to all of the governors and we've worked everything out for the federal government to be very very efficient and be very aggressive in getting everything back and going and going as it should. >> reporter: now crews were on

the scene of a chemical plant, massive chemical plant, neil, in west lake, louisiana not far where the president will land today that fire now under control. it was a direct result of the storm the company made chlorine for swimming pools. now the president is going to land in louisiana and head over to where we just saw our colleague, charles watson, in texas and come back to louisiana before coming back to the white house, neil i have to point out today is august 29, 15 years ago today, that's when hurricane katrina made landfall. 15 years hard to leave but a difficult day in louisiana, commemorating that anniversary, also dealing with hurricane laura. neil? neil: man oh, man i didn't realize that david thank you very much my friend david spunt at the white house, again the president will be leaving shortly for the region as david indicated he'll be there a while henry joins us right now the american red cross, texas gulf coast regional ceo. henry good to have you. you know, these estimates are all over the map, so i take them with a grain of salt but an expensive grain of salt the

damage in both states is expected to top $20 billion, but your issues are more immediate about recovery efforts, and a lot of folks still stranded, right? >> that's right. so many people without power means even if folks come back where are they coming back to and what the red cross is focused on is that individual family unit. wherever they may be however they may be impacted how can we get the best service to them, to help them on that path of recovery whether it be food, shelter, water, whatever they need what do they need, that individual family unit that love and care that's what the red cross is about today. neil: its got to complicate you and your men and women's efforts because i think in excess of 600,000 are still without power, a hot, sticky, you name it. you've got every hurdle being thrown at you. >> that's right. the weather is supposed to get very hot there's heat advisories in the area today and

so our teams are prepared though we train for this , and the volunteer spirit is alive and well in the red cross. these are neighbors helping neighbors and whether they come from texas or louisiana, or they come from other parts of the country they come here to help so there is not a hurdle that they can't climb. there's only time, and right now , time is our enemy. we're trying to get as close as we can to those who hurt as much but folks are spread out so what's important to know is it's not just in east texas and louisiana. we know there's folks spread out as far as austin and dallas and northern louisiana and so the red cross is trying to be anywhere there are folks impacted by this storm. neil: you know, henry it's hard to get the exact numbers on this as well, but many we're told i believe in excess of 700,000 we're told to evacuate the area between the louisiana coast and the texas coast and only a small percentage of them did, maybe out of fear of going into shelters and the rest and as covid-19 world, so they were

anxious. so that complicates things a little bit because maybe more than you know, it's hard to get to these people, but might still in fact be in this area that's out of power. they have no way of getting food no way of leaving their home. got to complicate your efforts. >> yeah, so what we do is we put crews on the ground as soon as we can. today we'll have emergency response vehicles powered by volunteers going through the community as close as we can , and what i can say is it's a collaborative effort as local officials clear the roadways and make it safe our teams get as close as we can getting those vital supplies to those family members talking with them. i was out there just today and yesterday, talking with family members both who have returned and who never left, and for those who never left, it was a scary scary predicament they were in, like a freight train coming in, but we're here for them as well, and if with e have to go person-to-person then that's what we'll do. that's what the red cross is prepared to do is to be there for these individuals.

we're going to be setting up strategically in places today in east texas, to get those services as folks come back. we know that folks spread out, and it may not even be they are in shelters that they went to loved ones and other places so as they come back the red cross will be here for them and it is complicated but that's what disaster means is complicated. the only way you overcome it is with the human spirit and a little bit of sweat and a little bit of love. neil: we always do. the lord's work, as they say henry thank you very much, the american red cross, texas gulf coast region ceo best of luck going forward here, henry. in the meantime we are keeping track of other developments. there were demonstrations last night. one in raleigh, north carolina, far from kenosha, wisconsin but a reminder that protests are alive and well, by and large, peaceful, but sometimes they do get out of hand. doesn't rand paul know it? doesn't steve scalise know it? the thoughts right now, as to how bad this gets and what we

can do, to stop it, after this.

people are fed up with see ing this mob rule anarchy in the streets. you can peacefully protest. when you're trying to hurt people potentially killing people it has consequences and it has to end. neil: well the fact of the matter is, it does not end. it keeps going on and on and it got very scary the last night of the republican national convention with those in attendance were chased down by protesters including senator rand paul that got pretty dicey with him, lucas tomlinson on efforts being made to make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen again, but lucas it does keep happening again and again. >> it sure seems that way, neil in fact senator paul and his wife joined tucker carlson last night where they sudden they thought they be overrun by that

mob, neil. >> it was absolutely terrifying i have never experienced anything like that in my life. i hope no one else ever has to. we felt completely powerless. i really felt that we were going to lose our lives. i thought someone was going to throw a brick. it was the most terrifying moment of my entire life. >> people descend on us but then 30 became 60 became 90 became 120, and it swelled and we were in a pocket of kelly and i and the two officers all touching each other in a very small pocket. they're completely surrounding us they are pushing us, they are threatening to kill us. >> senator paul said he was staying in a hotel only 50-yards away from the white house gate, neil but that wasn't close enough apparently. he told tucker even though there was thousands of policemen, it seemed like it took forever for them to arrive at one point at first there was only two policemen trying to hold back 120 rioters and president trump

wanted to give those police officers a medal and senator paul said he be at the white house for the ceremony. house minority whip steve scalise, who we heard from earlier targeted from assassination not far from here at the pentagon in alexander, virginia during congressional baseball practice, rand paul was there too by the way and spoke on fox & friends. >> this violence in the streets , it's unhinged. it's being tolerated by the democrat leadership right now, joe biden has been looking the other way and people, people want this for our country. >> reporter: joe biden spoke earlier this week before this alleged attack or this attack on senator paul. >> burning down communities is not protest. it's need less violence. violence that endangers lives. violence that guts businesses and shutters businesses, serve the community, that's wrong. >> reporter: you can read more about this account with senator rand paul wrote an opinion piece

on foxnews.com, neil. neil: lucas a quick question. these protesters were gathering and their population was rapidly increasing as the last night of the convention was going on at the white house. were authorities just caught unprepared that all of a sudden, what went from a few dozen looked like it turned into hundreds maybe more i don't know but that they were clearly caught unaware. >> that's right neil as you heard from senator paul he was staying only 50-yards from the white house you wouldn't think you'd need an underground tunnel or massive police presence to have to escort a sitting senator to the white house to his hotel, especially someone like senator paul who says he's been fighting for criminal justice reform. he didn't think he'd necessarily be a target for some of these rioters but apparently 50-yards wasn't good enough despite thousands of police officers being present, not enough to escort everybody it seems, neil. neil: yeah, just amazing that's our nations capitol. you'd think that it's like fort knox, locked down or at least

adequately pleased. lucas thank you, my friend, very very much. want to go to garrett tenney right now in kenosha, wisconsin a week ago tomorrow, that of course, we had the incident with jacob blake and his shooting here. he remains paralyzed in a kenosha hospital, but the last few nights i guess have been relatively quiet by comparison to the first few nights, right? >> yeah, absolutely neil. there are now more than 1,000 national guard troops here in kenosha many with special training in crowd control, and thankfully, that training was not needed last night as we saw the third straight night that things remained mostly calm and peaceful. the investigation into a shooting during tuesday's protest continues though. attorneys for 17-year-old kyle r ittenhouse who allegedly shot three people, killing two tell fox news that video of the incident clearly shows rittenhouse was acting in self-

defense. he was running from a group of protesters minutes after fatally shooting his gun. you can hear folks in the crowd yelling "get him" after rittenhouse trips and when the 26-year-old anthony huber runs up trying to take the gun, he gets shot in the chest and then when another man comes at rittenhouse he gets shot in the arm and rittenhouse then walks towards police with his hands raised but he's told to get out of the way, and the sheriff says officers didn't know what had just happened. rittenhouse came to kenosha as part of a malitia group to help protect businesses, but the kenosha county sheriff says he only made things worse. as you could clearly see , the situation escalated tuesday night because a 17-year-old boy carrying what appears to be an assault rifle, who has no idea how to handle a situation

like this , i don't care if he had the right intentions or not , two people are currently dead, and one almost had his arm blown off. >> reporter: as for jacob blake who was shot seven times by police on sunday he remains in the hospital in stable but serious condition. we've learned he is no longer handcuffed to his hospital bed and officers are no longer post ed outside his hospital room after his attorney paid his braille for a previous charge on domestic violence. his family is scheduled to lead a march march march kenosha later today. neil: thank you very much my friend, we'll be speaking later in the show with martin luther junk consider iii his view of all of the violence going on and where to find a balance and where could his dad find a balance where does he think we should find a balance in the meantime sports returns or at least the nba playoffs return, getting delayed by a number of players saying we can't play in the middle of this well they are of the tournament resumes right now

the playoffs with the first games today, and now everything is good, or is it? after this. yes... the great outdoors is wide open. so, why not expand your family's freedom with the off-road's best... like the only built-in gps that doesn't require a cell connection... and group tracking that lets you spread out on the trail but stay together for the journey. upgrade your ride for as little as five dollars a day. polaris. think outside. (announcer) improve your health, and strengthen your immunity., starvation dieting, processed foods, shakes, and diet gimmicks have made us heavier and sicker. the solution for losing weight the right way is golo. we help transform your body and change your lifestyle, so you can lose weight and get healthier. over 20,000 people of all ages, and entire families,

switch to golo every week, because golo works. golo is a unique approach to weight loss that targets insulin resistance and body fat. insulin resistance makes it easy to gain weight and harder to lose it. golo is a patented system that uses natural plants and minerals, and sound nutrition to help your body convert fat to energy faster. so you'll lose weight while improving your health and immunity. join over 1 million people who found golo, a smarter way to lose weight. let golo help you lose weight and reach your health goals quickly. head to golo.com. that's golo.com.

we live with at&t and we are well past the honeocupado tom. at&t, what's this i hear about you advertising a 100% fiber network? only like a fraction of my customers can get that. that's it?!? you have such a glass half-empty attitude. the glass is more than half-empty! you need to relax tom. oh! tom, you need a little tom time. a little tt. stop living with at&t. xfinity delivers gig speeds to more homes than anyone.

neil: all right, basketball resumes that has been disrupted for the last few days as players initially walk off the court to remember jacob blake. they were not originally backed by a lot of their team owners, but they all are on the same page now to resume those playoff games, beginning today, and through tomorrow, and through next week. with us now is chris brasard the fox sports nba analyst very good read on this stuff chris thanks for joining us how are you doing >> i'm great how are you? neil: very good so let's talk a little bit about the resumption

of the basketball playoffs tonight, and now, what's interesting is that other sports were drawn into this disruption of some games, the mets game that was separate sort of series , but that this is spreading to other sports, the wnba, major league soccer, where do you think all of this is going? >> well, i think right now, things will get back to normal in this new normal within the next few days. now that the nba has decided they're going to play games, i think the other sports will pretty much do the same thing. now, you did have russel wilson the quarterback for the seattle seahawks say if we had a game scheduled this weekend we would not play and sayquan barclay of the new york giants is saying maybe as nfl players we will boycott one weekend and not play games that weekend to make a statement so i think one of the things that has been achieved the players in this

situation is that they have put the owners, the corporate sponsors, the networks and the commissioners, on notice, that we will go here. we will stop playing, we will walk out, we will boycott if necessary, if we deem that necessary in the future, and you see that it could spread to other sports, so right now, you have a lot of people saying well basketball say boycott forget it i don't care i'm not watching it anymore. they can boycott the rest of the season for all i care. people might, some people might say that about baseball, but hardly anyone is going to say that about the nfl. the nfl is the granddaddy of them all, and if nfl players were to do what the nba players have done, then that changes everything and that will force a real seachange and impact a ton of people economically so i think they just showed their power. neil: yeah, i think you're right about that. you mentioned the nfl chris.

i had joe theisman here the former washington quarterback and he was saying that he hop cooler heads prevail i'm paraphrasing the gist of his comments but that those who want to kneel respect those who want to stand, during the national anthem and vice versa, and that owners shouldn't get too knee deep in the controversy of either doing so. that sounds easier said than done. >> yeah, i mean, i do think though at this point, the owners will compromise with their players if that's the right word you saw, look the nba, there is a rule on their books that you must stand for the national anthem. obviously, no one, hardly anyone is doing that and the commissioner, adam silver said okay, we understand it's time right now. we're not going to enforce that rule. jerry jones the owner of the dallas cowboys said a couple years ago that if you don't stand for the national anthem as a cowboy you will not wear that

uniform. then we saw a week or so ago he's talking about well we'll come to some sort of compromise. so again, the players do have some power, there's no way jerry jones is going to enforce that rule and if his players decide to kneel, i don't think he will do anything about it. he may even be there, kneeling with them. neil: you know, the president has been critical of the nba and the way its been handling this. what kind of pressure does that put on the nba owners? >> that's a great question, and point that you've made. and remember, lebron james and the other players, one of their components is look, we want the owner on our side and the owners to use their power to aid us in what we are fighting for. they understand the reach of these owners, neil. look, the owner of the new england patriots we saw a couple

of years ago, he goes to visit them in prison, and now, many african americans celebrities, rappers, athletes, including jay-z and heaver in hart have been trying to get him out of jail for five months. robert kraft and michael ruben, the owner for the philadelphia 76ers they go visit him in jail and he's out within two weeks and the judge was taken off the case, and all charges were dropped. that's the type of power and reach the owners have. when the immunotherapy walk see bucks boycotted the other day they were on the phone in the locker room, with the attorney general and lt. governor of wisconsin. the owners set that up. so the players understand that a lot of these owners have relationships with donald trump. are friends with donald trump, and they have the connections to the lawmakers and the politicians, the police commissioners and chiefs, where

they can get things accomplished , and so the players want them to do that on their behalf. one thing i think they like to see them do with donald trump is just is say can you tone down some of the rhetoric that is deemed racially inflammatory? or can you get him off the player's back? you know, in terms of not standing for the anthem. now they may not be able to did that but i think that's something players would like them to at least attempt to address. neil: that's wild. i did not know what they were doing behind the scenes they sound very savvy at this so they knew a thing or two about getting their way here, in a very good business sense. chris broussard, thaw very much a fan of all your work my friend , keep at it, chris broussard the fox sports nba analyst so speaking of all things sports there's a it new joe biden ad out and i don't know if you've seen it that essentially puts the blame of the sports in this country all but shut down, you know,

obviously before empty stadiums and the like, all on donald trump. is that fair? is that balanced? is that even right? after this.

neil: all right we just told you about the nba we're resuming playoff games this weekend none of this be necessary according to joe biden ad of the president hadn't pounced on the coronavirus situation sooner , but now, a new ad that says sports generally sidelined because of that.

peter doocey with more with the vice president's campaign the former vice president in delaware. peter? >> reporter: neil, good morning. that's right. the new campaign ad from the biden campaign is trying to show sports fans in swing states where college football means a lot to a lot of people. how saturdays might look different this fall. >> please join in the singing of our national anthem. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: so, even though joe biden has pledged to shut the whole country down again, if that's what scientists suggest, he's trying to get football fans to blame trump's actions so far for some canceled tailgates in the months ahead it's not clear how effective this will be however some of the biggest college football schools are in swing states.

for example, for context, the big house in michigan sees 107,000 people whereas 2016 election in michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin was decided by just 80,000 people that of course also comes as biden and harris campaign are pushing a mask mandate, kamala harris was asked about that on the today show yesterday, and she says that it wouldn't be punishable. people would not be sanctioned if they were caught not wearing a mask, but that they are trying to still get everybody required to be wearing one as soon as possible. neil? neil: what doesn't make sense about it though is you're going to criticize the president what he knew and what he didn't know but you were advocating that as joe biden was advocating getting on top of this and getting ahead of this and things were shutdown and sports were shutdown. what good does it do to be moan the fact that they were indeed shut down? that's what you were essentially calling for at the outset

yourself. >> indeed, neil, and in politic s, or at least in the presidential race whose been pushing to get things back open more than president trump, but the biden campaign is trying to take advantage of a lot of people sitting around with nothing else to watch potentially on a saturday or at least not to watch in person on a saturday this fall right before the election, and it is a jarring sight to see these empty stadiums, so the biden campaign is making a bet here that people are going to see that and say okay, well, whose fault is this? and if they tell them that it's trump's fault, the biden campaign is hoping that they will buy into that. neil: all right, we shall see. good seeing you again my friend peter doocy following the biden campaign, speaking of that campaign it's going to resume travels to particularly battleground states after labor day, we'll get into more detail

about that a little later in the meantime on the phone is congressman tim ryan democrat from ohio. you remember he had challenged nancy pelosi some years back and again on the phone with us now. congressman, do you think that joe biden is being honest here? that this was the same guy who faulterred the president, many others have as well for not being on top of this , for not shutting things down sooner and now he's faulting the president for the shutdown in our sports. that would seem like me giving dietary advice to people. i don't know if i'd go there. >> [laughter] well, i wouldn't want dietary advice either, neil but that's neither here nor there. this comes down to where's the buck stop? i mean, look we all know what's happened in january, february, march. this president was asleep at the switch. no one can deny that. he was saying it was a hoax. he was encouraging governors to open up in florida, georgia,

arizona, so look, he fumbles. you want to keep the sports analogy going, he threw interceptions and now, this is the continuation of the original sin, and he has to take responsibility for it. look, we're in ohio. we're going to miss our ohio state buckeyes this year but if the president were to handle this , if he were to grab it and led from the beginning, if we shut the country down, if we did the mask mandate we be in a position where we would have football in the fall. neil: you know, i guess i just don't know. i actually follow very closely, everything that joe biden was saying back in january and february and you would think that he was screaming from the highest mountaintop about shut the country down, shut the country down but the urgency of it didn't seem to hit him until much much later furthermore a lot of things that the president has since done like faster testing getting more test kits out making sure that americans are covered with

everything from ventilators and all that they need and that they are american-made, check, check, check, check the president has done all of that so i guess i'm not here to play a partisan argument on this , but what is his position on this? because he's attacking everything the president is now doing. >> well, the question is the original question is why aren't we playing football, and the reason for that is that in january, february, march, the president fumbled and so we're still dealing with it, and he was the one, neil, and look, i'm not trying to do any kind of partisan analysis here. i'm just looking at it directly. if he would have acted in january, february, march, we be in a much much different position today than we are, and you can't just whitewash that and pretend like it didn't happen. it did. neil: but how do you know that congressman, how do you know? if cases are reigniting in germany, in new zealand, in

china, and in hong kong, and all these parts of the world, that supposedly according to the biden camp have donald continue to do a much better job than we do, how would that have been prevented? how would you know if he had football be back on? i think there be a lot of people both sides screaming from the highest mountain again don't do it don't do it don't do it. >> well you're always going to have that but i think the reality of it is, you be able to do it in a way that maybe like basketball or like baseball, maybe there weren't fans, maybe there wasn't, you know, maybe it wasn't going to be the same but clearly -- neil: which is exactly what's happening now, right, congressman? it's not the same there aren't fans in the stand or as many people there in person. so all of that's being done. i guess all i'm saying, sir, is where the difference, where is the alternative that the biden camp is giving that the trump camp has not done. >> well what the biden camp is talking about is cleaning up a

big mess. i mean, the president threw four interceptions in the first quarter and we went down four touchdowns or five touchdowns and now, whether it's biden or whoever was going to be, is going to be about cleaning the mess up and look, you can't erase -- neil: but isn't it less of a mess, congressman, we've had 11 straight days now, where new cases have been under 50,000. we had 28 states, a little more than a month ago, that were having problem spikes and it's down to four right now. so i'm not saying it's still not a mess, but it's certainly a much smaller mess and maybe, that's one of the things that joe biden is worried about that this is not going to be as big an issue as maybe he thought it might be. >> neil, the united states responds to the coronavirus as an absolute has been an absolute train wreck, compar ed to every other country, our deaths are at 180,000. it didn't need to be that high.

infections five or 6 million. it didn't need to be that high. the president was literally that he wasn't wearing a mask. the vice president pence was in ohio. i remember he had a big event with a couple hundred people not wearing a mask encouraging florida to open up and arizona and texas and look what happened there. that did not have to happen. it could have been a slow burn, of this getting transmitted and slow it down until we get the vaccines ready. it didn't have to be this way and look, i understand that there's a lot of people that want to stick up for the president. this is inexcusable. it didn't have to be this way. you were charged to lead, i mean , franklin roosevelt didn't say during world war ii we're going to have the governor of connecticut build a submarine and the governor of ohio be in charge of the airplanes that we need to build. no you're the president, you take responsibility, you grab the bull by the horns and wrestle it to the ground and

i'll tell you if you would have done it, it would have been a hard president to beat for re-election. neil: well we don't know that and by the way, congressman i'm not here to either up for the president or stick it to the president, i call balls and strikes and i seem to anger people on both sides, so leaving that aside, i am curious right now of the biden, could i ask you about the biden campaign's move now to go to battle states, to start campaign travels after labor day. does that sound to you like a campaign that's getting worried that donald trump is always out there, he's going to one state after another and now they're getting concerned that he might be gaining traction whether it's on law and order issues, whether it's on the progress on the virus or improving the economy or the markets whatever it is that the biden folks are now concerned enough to get out there. >> well it's the labor day before the presidential election i think that's the natural flow of elections, and the vice president will be out there in

these battleground states. i tell you, you know, what the president did a couple weeks ago saying he wanted to boycott good year which has 3,000 jobs in ohio and akron, you know, has damaged him significantly in ohio. the phones are ringing off the hook at the campaign headquarters in northeast ohio because of that including many independent voters, but look the vice president is not taking anybody for granted he's going to be in michigan and wisconsin, in ohio, in western pennsylvania these are the states he needs to win. he's resonating there, the poll ing is very good there, and you know, we're going to go remind people that joe biden is a healer and he's going to represent all americans, like he said, in his speech even the ones who didn't vote for him and who really think that donald trump is going to represent all americans if he gets re-elected. he's a divider-in-chief it just is what it is and vice president biden has a full economic message about rebuilding the country infrastructure, re investment back into the

communities, water line, sewer lines, roads, bridge, and move us into the new economy, neil so that's what people where i come from in ohio, and wisconsin that's what we want to hear. how are we going to build things again like electric vehicles and at the end of the day that's going to be a successful campaign for us. neil: all right we'll see congressman i'll put you down in the meantime as a maybe on the president, but we'll see. things could change. always good having you congressman tim ryan, of ohio. by the way, we talked about the virus here, a worrisome development popping up around the globe including one guy here in the united states, that had the disease, and you get it again. reinfection after this. we support memorable moments, concentration - in hectic times . and focus to win the day. unlike ordinary memory supplements... neuriva's clinically proven ingredients fuel 5 indicators of brain performance.

take the neuriva challenge with our money-back guarantee!

i was drowning in credit card debt. sofi helped me pay off twenty-three thousand dollars of credit card debt. they helped me consolidate all of that into one low monthly payment. they make you feel like it's an honor for them to help you out. i went from sleepless nights to getting my money right. so thank you. ♪

neil: all right, i want to go to

joint base andrews here quickly because the president is getting ready to visit the gulf coast battered of course by hurricane laura he did not stop to talk to reporters leaving the white house. don't know with the rainy conditions there if he'll stop to talk to reporters before hopping on air force one but you never know. we're watching that and going to have a busy travel schedule today taking in both louisiana an as i mentioned earlier suffered upwards of $20 billion in damages between the two of them, from that hurricane. could have been a lot worse though, even though 10 people were killed, if you look at that damage certainly from the sky, you think many many more were, fortunately many heeded advice to evacuate the area and dodged what could have been a bullet so we're on top of that, and also on top of the rather intriguing worrisome development when it comes to the covid-19 fight. people who had covid-19, had the virus, and then got it again , the case of the man in nevada whose dealing with that

right now, another in hong kong, sporadic reportings we're getting that this is periodically popping up all across the world. let's get dr. ra j on the significance of all of this. doctor what do you think? >> hi, good morning, neil well it is worrisome as you say but we have to keep in perspective there's been over 20 million cases of covid worldwide and we're only seeing literally a handful of these re infection cases and now there are a few reports before but those were thought to be due to faulty testing so things we're seeing this week as you mentioned hong kong, now in nevada, do seem to be true re infections because they actually tested the strains and found them to be different strains in the same person, so this is an actual reinfection with a new strain of coronavirus , and that is worrisome but it has to be, you know, taken into account that this is a very very very rare occurrence right now, and of course we all hope that it will remain rare, but it does underscore these questions that

need to be answered about the coronavirus, and one of them is when we do build immunity, how long does that last, because of course that has implications for if the vaccine and if and when the vaccine comes out how often does it need to be administered and before the vaccine comes out, are we looking at a virus that if you get an infection you're only immune for say six months as opposed to what many experts expected to be more like a year to three years, that's more common with most respiratory viruses so when you think about how your body reacts when you get an infection like coronavirus, you mountain antibody response, an immune response you have immune cells that not only fight off the virus but also give your body a memory to the virus, so that when it comes back a second time, you're able to fight it off and not get infected. the question is how long does that immunity last, and does everyone mask the same response initially? so, elderly people, for example, are thought to have weaker immune systems. they might not mount such a robust immune response so they may be more prone to a re

infection later. you know, the issue here is this is a navy russ. we only have at best maybe eight months of data to talk about when people may become reinfect ed so this is one of those learn as we go situations and of course, this is a bit worrisome, but you know, it's something that's just going to spur more and more research into this very important topic. neil: quick 30 second answer if you can, doctor on whether this jolts people or looking forward to this plasma transfer, you know, you get from those who have the virus, or had it, give it to those who are just getting diagnosed with it great promise there because the antibodies and you can fight it off. will this give that some pause even though as you said it's only a handful of cases? >> it's only a handful of cases and i think that antibodies are still a very good way of fighting off an infection. in these cases we don't know what the antibody levels were so perhaps these reinfection cases didn't have enough antibodies to

fight off an infection and i still think the plasma containing antibodies is a very promising avenue. neil: all right, fingers crossed as they say doctor, thaw very very much. >> thank you. neil: we'll have a lot more after this including the latest from the storms.

neil: you know, the flooding continues, not just to the affected areas of texas and louisiana, but as laura makes her way north right now, she's dumping a lot of rain once a category 4 storm when it hit the coast now just a really bad storm with a really bad tendency to dump water everywhere she goes. rick reichmuth with more on that hey, rick. rick: hey there, neil, yeah it's starting to get rained out a little bit in the mid-atlantic but i've got to tell you we've

been talking about this active hurricane season, we've already had seven storms that have made landfall in the u.s. , three of those is hurricanes and then obviously, laura, and see all of that? 75% statistically of our hurricane season is still ahead of us so we have a lot of tropical activity we're going to watch and here is where the radar is you can see moisture down across parts of the mid-atlantic meeting up with a little bit of a cold front really pushing all of this energy through and later on today, we're going to start to see that fire up with some severe weather, most of the moisture from what was laura is gone, but now, that severe weather will be with us throughout the afternoon after that we are in the clear, and neil, we're probably not talking about any real impacts to the u.s. , for at least about 5-7 days right now there's a couple things we're watching we'll keep looking at those but nothing of any immediate impact in the u.s. , which we all need a little bit of a break. neil? neil: yeah, i think you're right

thank you very much rick reichmuth on all that the president will be leaving for the region expected to leave joint base andrews shortly we'll have more after this. ...

>> all right. the president's motorcade has now arrived at joint base andrews. the president is going to be busy visiting both louisiana and texas and those coastal communities that were hit hardest by hurricane laura. as you know, the hurricane came in as a category 4 storm when it first hit the coast and later depleted to category 2, but not before doing billions in damage. the numbers here, better than $20 billion worth of that damage. the president has already allowed both to be declared states of emergency and we'll be giving more on this and what the president's schedule will be looking like shortly. i want to go to lake charles, louisiana where they're laying it out for us.

fox 15, kadn-tv. how do things look there? >> as you can see behind me, we have a lot of devastation and destruction that came in the pathway after hurricane laura made it through this area and as you were mentioning about federal money, that is especially what's needed right now when we have this whole area, businesses down, power cables next to me here, just snapped in half. you can see the poles with are they snapped from, how hard that wind was. we have a lot of damage from this path, but the one thing to note is how less severe it was when it came to people's deaths. in fact, the governor of louisiana, john bel edwards, he mentioned that only 15 people died from this accident-- from this incident and some died from carbon monoxide poisoning while they were trying to use generators from electricity, that's from louisiana to texas, those impacted areas.

thousands will be without power for weeks and that's why the mayor of lake charles is asking people not to come back if they don't have to because they're trying to clear blocked roadways across the city. i was in jennings, about 30 minutes away from lake charles area and i can even describe the wind that we were seeing just outside of there. we had the outside of that wall and so i can only imagine what the people here were feeling when they were going through this, but a lot of devastation, a lot of destruction. the one thing i do want to note here in lake charles and across louisiana and southern areas of texas, people are resilient here, and very thankful. thankful because this damage could have been a lot worse. i'm reporting here in lake charles, back to you. neil: thank you very, very much. r we appreciate that. you never want to see people lose their lives in a storm, but the 15 is less than when it

was barreling down the coast. katrina, 15 years ago today, a couple thousand individuals lost their lives. michael brown, former fema director no doubt saying that there was adequate preparation and people were heeding the advice to get out of town. not everyone, michael, but a good many. what do you think of what you're seeing? >> well, i've got to tell you, one, i'm impressed by the people that people followed evacuation orders and took shelter and did the right thing. this is the most frustrating for people. that is they want to get back home to their homes and businesses and you have po look at the power lines and debris and you could have people die until those are checked and thousands of people are without power. there's always that last guy that finally gets power and that could be weeks from now, it could be a month from now. so that's going to be the most frustrating part is you may eventually get back to your home and hopefully it not damaged very much, but you won't have power for weeks and

that becomes very frustrating for people. neil: you know what i notice here, too, michael, i noticed at katrina, getting people on the same page especially dealing with folks of different parties. sometimes it doesn't doesn't have to be folks from different parties. a mayor might argue with the governor regardless of party. here they seem to put that aside and work together, even corporation between texas and louisiana officials, coordinating it with national and federal officials. what did you think of that? >> i thought was very impressive. i always tell people when i'm lecturing or speaking to organizations about disaster management, you need to be able to answer this question, who is in charge? so someone needs to be in charge so you have a unified message so that you have a unified approach and i think what we saw here, everybody came together and they decided, this is the message and here is what we're going to do and i

can tell every political leader in this country, when you do that, you save lives. when you do that, people are more willing to comply and do what you ask them to do because they hear a unified message. when that message is disjointed or they're arguing among each other, that's when the bizes finally decide, they throw their hands up and say i don't know who to believe. >> i think you're right about that and by the way, when that happens, everybody looks good no matter who is getting the credit. everyone gets the credit. having said that, michael, i'm curious. a lot of people had a new wrinkle to deal with in this particular hurricane, that is covid-19. it explains why so many didn't abandon their homes because they were fearful to go into shelters and all that. a lot of hotels and motels along the area opened themselves up to make that less of a concern rather than crowding people into school gyms and cafeterias. it made a big difference, i think. >> it did make a big dinners

and i don't want to go down the rabbit hole of covid-19, but if we believe everything that they tell us that they do about wearing a mask and social distancing and all of that, then covid-19 shouldn't have been even a consideration here because people could have taken the kind of prophylactic efforts that epidemiologists and experts tell us to tell. if that's true, you could go to a shelter or to a hotel or a motel. i think, again, it's the whole idea if people are on the same page and people have a belief or a trust in their government, then they're willing toe comply. they're willing to do the things they should do that the government asks them to do. it's when you hear these conflicting messages that people become a little cynical. neil: yeah, i think you're right, too. you know, michael, you know the storms and their history and prognosis far better than i, but it does seem like it's been a busy storm/hurricane season.

we've got a long way to go. what are you looking at? >> well, here is what i've learned not only during my time as the undersecretary of homeland security, but in my past government -- in my government life after all of that, is that forecasts are forecasts and mother nature's going to do what it's going to do. so we can have a prediction of a heavy storm season and then that fizzles out or we could have a prediction of a light storm season and suddenly you've got hurricanes every two, three weeks. i just think you have to watch it day by day and week by week. neil: so looking at how a community, communities responded to this one, michael, this was a doozy coming in, we're told as far as severity and winds, the worst storm the region had seen in a century, they didn't have the totalities to go along with that, god bless them, and i'm wondering if more severe storms aren't

going to trigger more deaths in the future, you could have a lot of damage, but you can clean up damage, you can't bring back lives. what do you think of that dynamics of that? >> well, there are a couple studies out that shows that the storms aren't getting more severe. as a nation we're getting wealthier, as we get wealthier more people move into coastal areas and higher risk of mother nature doing something. that causes more damage because the things that are damaged, offices and homes and the like are more expensive. you think about repairing a bridge today versus repairing a bridge 20 years ago, the cost of doing that is astronomically higher. so we've become more resilient. we've become safer. we're able to protect ourselves, but when the damage occurs, the number is much higher not because of necessarily the severity of the storm, but because of the infrastructure that's being damaged is much more expensive and much more expensive to repair. neil: michael brown, a pleasure. the former fema director joining us via skype.

thank you, michael, be well. be safe. >> you, too. take care, neil. neil: in the meantime we want to let you know, there are a number of rallies that are going to continue around the country today, including in kenosha following the shooting last sunday of jacob blake. this one being planned at kenosha will include the blake family leading a march this afternoon. a guest coming up is hoping it stays safe, peaceful and and stays to point and doesn't destroy businesses like hers was destroyed in an earlier rampage. her entire livelihood, her family's, her future now in question because things got out of hand. she's serving now we made it for all branches and all ranks whether they served one tour or made a career of it. we also made usaa for military spouses and their kids

usaa is easy to work with and can save you money on auto, home and renters insurance. become a member today. get an insurance quote at usaa.com/quote usaa. what you're made of we're made for

>> look at what's going on in the great state of wisconsin. now, i will tell you two days ago we sent in the national guard. that was the end of that

probl problem. neil: if only that was the issue or could have helped my next guest in madison, wisconsin not too, too far away. her shop was completely ransacked and looted and now destroyed. some images that are, to put it mildly, stunning. she runs the teddy wedgers shop there, it's a sandwich shop, i believe, the co-owner. she's with us right now and i was looking at photos of what happened to her place. it's demolished. what are you going to do? >> well, thanks for having us. i think being located in the heart of downtown madison a shop open for almost 45 years now, we're not new to protests and we're not new to the occasional broken window, but this time certainly did feel different. i think it felt a bit heavier. almost all of our windows were

broken and you know, seeing the pictures and damage drove home to us that it's part of a much bigger issue than just some broken windows. it's something that needs fixing in our country right now. neil: when did all of this happen? what night were you attacked? >> so on the evening of the 25th into the early morning of the 26th just this past week, early morning. so basically the window and everything were broken, the door was fully broken as you saw in the picture and then after the crowds dispersed, there were a few different groups of teenagers, actually, that broke into the shop and robbed the register and then took some of our inventory, as well. neil: the president says that, you know, since national guard troops were brought in, i'm

thinking around a thousand, i think spread out, but largely in kenosha, i may be wrong, do you think that makes a difference, a heavier national guard presence could make a difference a few nights ago for you? >> i think in some ways yes. in our situation on the 25th and 26th, the national guard was not present. had they been present, i think it would have been a different scenar scenario. for me, how it happened, i think, you know, there were no injuries, no one was seriously harmed and i hope that that is the way that it continues. neil: yeah. everybody does, and very few have suffered like you've suffered, but i'm curious over what you do now? yours was, from everything i've been studying and reading about, the destination place to go. you could rebuild.

but there's a lot to rebuild there. what are your plans? >> well, exactly to your point, right? we can rebuild. we are lucky enough that we are able to rebuild. now, the windows, the broken glass, all of that stuff can be replaced, but people can't. so for, you know, in that way we feel incredibly grateful. my brother has shown incredible leadership with the team. ng our employees are also incredibly positive and that's exactly what you do. you rebuild that same afternoon we were actually taking delivery orders and were able to be open for business, to be there for our customers base and our community. and i think that's an important piece of this to set the example to show everyone that, you know, this is a tough moment, but together we can get through it. neil: you have an amazing calm about it all, karina, you and your brother and your family.

i wish you well. >> thank you. neil: i pray for cooler and calmer heads. karina, teddywedgers, if i'm reading her correctly they will have more. a week ago, the various protests were going on around the country and one featuring the blake family. there was a big national rally on the 57th anniversary of martin luther king's "i have a dream" speech at the capital at the exact same place. in fact, martin luther king iii was there standing exactly where his dad stood. he's next. >> so if you're looking for a savior get up and find a mirror, we must become the heroes of the history we're making. and "us" means all of us.

safe drivers save 40%! safe drivers save 40%!!! that's safe drivers save 40%. it is, that's safe drivers save 40%. - he's right there. - it's him! safe drivers do save 40%. click or call for a quote today.

>> we're going to protest, do it peacefully. what violence does, violence begets violence and it dissubtracts -- distracts from the family and it's harder, it's not good news for wisconsin and certainly not good news for community. it's really bad news for the family that wants all the facts to come forward. let's give that process time. neil: all right. a lot of of wound post the jacob blake shooting and in this environment here. you don't know how quickly it will be, if at all, for calmer, cooler sort of reflection on where racial relations stand in this country. where the violence stands in this country and how the two

sometimes cross over each other. welcome back, i'm happy to have martin luther king iii, the oldest son of martin luther king. he spoke in the exact spot his dad did 57 years ago. martin, how are you? >> i'm doing good. how are you? i'm okay. you were talking about galvanizing this effort to sort of remind the world black lives matter and all that, but that your father might be disappointed that there was a need to hold such a rally 57 years later. what did you mean by that? >> so, it feels like there have been more shootings of black people and brown people. during my father's era, it happened, it just it wasn't recorded, we didn't have smart phones. but of course, we do have

devices-- i was certainly honored to be at the demonstration and with the families. i was greatly disappointed that there are so many that people don't even know about and in 2020, and certainly by now after dad talked about his dream of freedom and justice and equality for all humankind, it seems like we should be so much further around these issues. neil: i'm wondering, too, you know obviously the backdrop is the violence that ensued afterwards. it's a delicate balance and many wonder where your dad would stand looking at that today. where do you stand on that? does it erase the message of all of these people, protesters, you, your family, and et cetera? >> well, i certainly understand the perspective of those who feel that violence does--

could diminish or hurt the cause. certainly my father said that riots are the language of the herd and he never condoned violence. but he did have an understanding of why people sometimes are pushed to conditions where they feel that they must engage in violence. i think we have to think about, particularly in the often cases, but in the jacob blake scenario, there was no rioting on friday, saturday, i guess sunday. it was after a condition that every action creates a reaction and the police acted in a way, it looks like, where they came and shot a man in the back and you wonder why they didn't apprehend him before. and we don't know. there's been all kinds of information. so woo do have to wait until

all the facts come out. neil: now, one of the things that comes up is this law and order issue. to your point, martin, the fact that people support, people protest and the rest, but what never came up in the democratic conventi convention, the week before last was this notion of black lives, all lives matter, and blue lives mattering, peaceful protests. it was lopsided in that it didn't mention some of the violence going on. for republicans at their convention, that's all they touted and a lot of people -- i've talked to a number of black business owners affected by this violence as well. we believe both are important to mention, but republicans don't spend a lot of time on the black lives matter issues. and democrats didn't spend much time on everyone's lives matter

and what ensued. >> i think there-in lies the problem. we need to be as a society addressing all of it, on all sides. which is not either/or because both stands create division. and the real goal is unification. unfortunately, power nation is divided right now on a variety of issues. probably as divided as we've been in a very long time and i hope that most people are looking for, yearning for us to work for a place to work together. we as a society worked together, with the difficult times and times of war. we seem not able to understand how do we grapple with that. and you know, my dad used to say, we have to learn somehow how to disagree without being disagreeable. he taught us that. he met with every president from president--

president eisenhower and president neixon. he might with vice-president johnson and i think leadership has to be engaged because it's so important for people to be in dialog and they also talk about the house is on fire and i'm afraid that people don't always quote. and i'm afraid that we're going to encourage people to burn a house. what he was talking about is the different values, the different opportunities that did not exist. not just in communities of c color, and the last campaign, bring blacks, whites, native americans, all walks of life to washington to address the particular issues of inequities

in our nation. neil: but politics comes up. even in your remarks on the anniversary of your dad's march, you said that progress will come if people vote trump out. the president argues he's been the best president for abraham lincoln. what did you think of that? >> well, you know, at the end of the day all of us have an opinion and he has his opinion and you know, many others have a different opinion. i personally, i see that there may be things that he has done, but i feel in my spirit that much of what he has done represen represents, unfortunately comes out as dividing and i feel he feels that's what he needs to do to win. i wish he would conduct himself in a different way, because you do have a represent all the people. when you look at the -- yes,

that have benefitted black vote. i don't know how you compare it to lincoln, but that's, of course, his opinion. i disagree with that. i think our nation-- we've got a pandemic we know about and an issue with some police shooting people down. and all kind of conditions. we take it rolling up our sleeps and working together and we can't do it with provocative language, but it's dehumanizing to some. the other idea how we bring it together. and that's how america moves forward and how martin luther king, jr. talked about it. neil: i think he was referring as well, martin, you can talk about after lincoln, john f. kennedy, lbj with the civil rights act. you can go back as far as harry

truman integrating the military at the time when it was quite controversial. again he has said the best since lincoln, having said that i'm wondering how do you think if joe biden got elected how this would change? could one man in the oval office, republican or democrat, make a difference? i see issues happening through republican administrations alike. >> it really is a tone how you set-- it's whether you come off as a divider or weather you come across as a unifying. >> now, some may-- and what president obama took. and i think that the leadership styles, styles are dinner and i think we need, in my judgment,

i think we need some unification now and not division. and i think there's a way to do that. now, you said with joe biden represents-- i know joe biden represents something dramatically different. joe biden is not a racist and then you're going to hear all kind of things. neil: all right, i hear you. martin, thank you very much for taking the time. >> thank you. neil: through every crisis you're there, just as your dad would have wished, agree or disagree, always looking out for folks. thank you very much, mart lynn lute king iii, the oldest son of martin luther king, jr. and you heard remarks about joe biden, all of this out of time, whether there was a basketball, whether he would debate the prz

of the united states. >> and even though modern times, richard nixon won once and got elected. looking back and maybe looking forward after this.

>> what would happen if there were no presidential debates? i know it seems odd because in

recent history that's been sort of the rule of thumb. but you know in 1968 and 1972 there were no debates. richard nixon didn't want them, maybe smarting from his 1960 experience with jfk. he got elected and reelected in 1972 without them. but all of this is coming up again because the back and forth we first heard suggested by nancy pelosi that joe biden not bothering debating the president of the united states. joe biden coming out and saying he still has plans to debate the president of the united states. so it's a moot point, right? well, i had a chance to catch up with richard nixon's grandson about the novelty of all of this and whether it is sort of accepted that there are presidential debates. it didn't happen in the case of his grandfathers even though he's optimistic it will happen now. take a look. >> well, i think the debates will happen and i think it's important that they do and i think if joe biden doesn't debate, that will be a major mistake by him. given the questions that the

president's been raising and allies of the president have been raising about biden's fitness to be president and going that it might be extreme left that will be controlling hum if he becomes president i think he should disspell that and fit and handle the job of president. that being said, i think there's a trap, that president trump may be walking into. if you lower the bar so much and essentially put it on the floor, almost anything joe biden does that puts two sentences together, will look impressive and will exceed expectations. and as perceptions rise reality. that could become a major president for the president. as we recall with ronald reagan, he had some shaky debates because he had a couple of good lines he was able to carry the day. neil: and old the experience against him to erase the age thing. remember your grandfather, particular will i in--

particularly in 1972 when he was running for reelection, he was leading in polls almost throughout the summer and i think there was a decision made, he was up against george mcgovern, the democrats looked like they were falling apart. why should i. mcgovern kept pounding we've got to debate, we've got to debate. and we know what happened a couple years later with watergate. and the polls, joe biden might-- if he said i'm not debating the president if he's got a comfortable lead in the polls and he doesn't want to risk it. what would you think if that's his met evaluation? >> i would say that president trump is a closer and i think that hillary clinton may be a warning sign for joe biden, which is, you know, maybe she felt she could sit on her lead and maybe do one campaign event a day and president trump

worked really hard, he went to michigan, went to wisconsin, everyone thought that was nuts. republicans never win there and he ended up winning. so i think when you're running for office, especially president, you can't start measuring the curtains until you get there. i think the idea, especially a challenger can sit on their lead and not debate, i think that's a major, major mistake and that joe biden would be well-served to get in the arena and start debating the presidentment that would be my into advice to him. neil: and the silent majority, and spiro agnew, and the silent majority. particularly because of the riots. they were looking at that and they weren't polled and showed up and put your grandfather over the top. do you think the same is happening right now, that these protests have galvanized people who otherwise would not have voted for donald trump, to vote for donald trump and they might

not be saying it? >> without a doubt it is and i think you're starting to see that show up in polls, several months ago, the polling showed that there was fairly sizable support for the idea of black lives matter and for the black lives matter movement and i think you're seeing that decline. certainly in polling now, and also, you can see the reaction of the biden campaign, that they're a little more nervous affiliating with black lives matter and looking to broaden that base. i think you see a large silent majority. some things stay the same and i think there's a large silent majority and some of it might not be encompassed in polling and i think that's where you'll see a big victory delivered for the president because he's focusing on what he needs to, which is the blue collar voters. i think some states like minnesota, believe it or not, the last republican to win minnesota was my grandfather. that could flip this time and i think you'll see president trump continue to show strength across the m i had --

midwest because he's going to get the blue collar voters. neil: richard nixon cox, the grandson of the president and first lady pat nixon. and the hulabalu, and this is a worry much as his grandfather benefitted from the controversy and violence of the 1960's. is he right? after this. es . and focus to win the day. unlike ordinary memory supplements... neuriva's clinically proven ingredients fuel 5 indicators of brain performance. take the neuriva challenge with our money-back guarantee!

> >> all rightment all right. comparing 1968 and richard nixon's grandson and comparing to the oval office.

and the so-called silent majority aghast on what's going on now will do the same thing with donald trump. there are differences and a republican control of the white house now. back in 1968 democrats took control of the white house then. lee carter is here and mark, what do you think of that argument? >> well, i think it remains to be seen here. i think that the, you know, polls next week will tell us a lot. i don't think it's exactly like 1968 in the sense in 1968 you had a democratic party itself that was in complete turmoil. i think this time the democratic party is incredibly united, you know, in terms of its front. neil: lee, what do you make of that. the republicans certainly as the power in power, they're very united and so there are differences in some of the activity today is not as widespread. it's certainly widespread, but certainly not every night in your face as it was back then. there are a lot of other

differences, too, but the basic argument that law and order as you generally, not always, but generally favor republicans? >> yeah, i think there is-- while the democratic party is united, they're united around one thing and that's about beating donald trump and there's a big question about what does joe biden's policies, what are they? only a third of americans feel they know what he's going to be as president. if he doesn't get out there and tell his story and debate and talk about things he's going to do as it relates to health care, as it relates to tax reform, as it relates to all of these issues, people are going to fill it in with their own narrative. the president is trying to paint him as a socialist and far left. if joe biden doesn't tell, people will tell the narrative. if he tells his story, he says he'll get out thereafter labor day. he's done pretty good without being out there front and center and now it's time to

tell his story. and he can't put kamala harris out there to tell it because who is joe biden. neil: mark, there must be concern to announce a busy travel schedule, and after labor day and to acknowledge some of the violence that's been happening in the protests around the country. something he didn't do, democrats argue, didn't do during their convention. what do you think is going on? >> well, i do think that the republican convention was very effective, you know, at answering some of the arguments of the democratic convention and hillary, last time, was told around this time, don't worry about it, it's in the bag and you don't need to campaign and i think the realization, you do need to campaign, you do need to debate. you need to show the american people that you want the job, that you're ready for this job. you know, against someone who's put out, hey, i'm the president. i've got a record. i'm going to come back here

from, you know, 10 points behind, you know, pretty quickly. so, i believe this is a race. i believe these are good decisions for joe biden to get out there on the campaign trail and i agree,'s going to have to state his case. every candidate does have to do that. >> lee, there's been talk and maybe triggered by nancy pelosi who might have launched it as a trial balloon, you shouldn't debate donald trump, joe, it's a waste of time. he disavowed that and said he's still going to debate. it did get me thinking, which is always dangerous, but 1968 and 1972 richard nixon, he didn't debate, different times as mark pointed out, grant you. but we remember times when it w was-- >> and i think the people need to see the two candidates go at it and it's hard at this moment

for americans to understand the truth where the candidates stand. there's so much hyperbole, and anger, and rather than hearing what they're going to do and what they stand for. it's absolutely essential. and i think that nancy pelosi's statement is outrageous and causing a lot of energy among republicans. the notion that donald trump and republicans aren't worth debating right now is a messy and sticky situation that the democrats are getting themselves into, painting republicans as evil, the same thing that hillary got in trouble for, calling republicans a basket full of deplorables and it's getting worse. that's the worst strategy they could employ, if that's what they want to do. neil: i'll put you down as a maybe on the necessity of the debates. [laughter] >> thank you very, very much, mark. thank you very much. and the debates are still onment for now this might be a wasted argument, but it's out

there so we'll look at that. and we'll look right now at some states trying to return to business as normal, including new jersey, where gyms are allowed to reopen. not all gym owners are pleased. not even joepi piscopo. after this.

>> all right. gyms can reopen in the garden state. i'll count joe piscopo as pleased and you know him as a comedian in the area. but he's a gym owner and incredibly fit. he's having fits and starts about the measure because it's not everything it appears to be, right, joe? >> well, you know, in jersey we

always ask questions, they're going to open the gyms finally and we want to say to the governor, are you kidding me? what were you thinking? five months we had to be shut down? don't get me wrong, we are locked, we're loaded, we're pumped up, we're so clean out there at the gym and i'm broadcasting live from flemington, new jersey because i only play the big time, baby. i'm going to be at the gym retrofit and what we did tuesday morning, and we are live and open. neil: right now you're broadcasting it looks like the bruce wayne library, impressive. not all gyms are allowed to be reopened. there are two guys who balked at the governor's office and insisted that they stay open ap break down barriers, they've been collecting tens of thousands in fines and prohibited from reopening. what do you make of that?

>> i wish the governor-- we chatted on the fox show the other day. i wish the governor, in jersey, this is all family, we don't blame anybody, let's get back to normal, they're small business people, $130,000 fine that's wrong, let the guys off the hoo being-- hook and we're hear for the record, all the c.d.c. guidelines, we're cleaned and locked. some of the rules they make up, look it, the use of showers are banned however an exception for gyms and pools in which case showers can be used as long as they're individually partitioned. we can't keep up with the rules. we're going to do the best we can, but let's just get back to work. open up america, neil cavuto. neil: you're drawing attention to the fact that you might not follow those rules, joe. you don't want to give those

impression? >> see, you're doing it. you come right at me. neil: all right. you do that stuff, the distancing stuff, the capacity, and i think you have to work with 25. it's going to be-- neil, neil, we'll got a check point as you walk in, a check point kind of a big iphone, it takes your temperature as you walk in and keep the same clothes on that you're wearing when you walk in, you can't change, as a matter of fact, i'm working out in my suit. i'm working out. [laughter] >> and this is a family show, gentlemen. >> i know. but we're hearing-- you know, this is what bothered me, we've been ready since like march and april and we've been-- i just found, if you saw it, the guy at the gym, and he was sterile, could you do my house? he said, sure.

neil: good luck with it. >> i'm a germaphobe. neil: if they do this for bakeries. and joe looks fit as a fiddle, as he did snl years ago. that will do it for us. in the s&p 500, even if their shares cost more. at $5 a slice, you could own ten companies for $50 instead of paying thousands. all commission free online. schwab stock slices: an easy way to start investing or to give the gift of stock ownership. schwab. own your tomorrow.

>> president trump is now en route to louisianament he plans to stop there to survey some of the damage left behind by hurricane laura. he's going to be on the ground throughout louisiana for most of the afternoon before taking off to texas where he'll meet with first responders on the ground there. very busy day. we'll be following that presidential travel live. we'll bring it to you as it happens. welcome to headquarters.