bureaucrats protected barack obama and is working to destroy the trump agenda. thank you for watching, tammy bruce is filling in for laura ingraham tonight, take it away. >> tammy: thank you so much, your book always important and it's terrific to be taking over here, i am tammy bruce in for laura ingraham and this is "the ingraham angle" from new york city tonight. joe biden, the king of flip-flops. in just four days, this man has done a complete about-face on three major issues. mollie hemingway and matt schlapp are here to expose at all, plus he didn't get that postconvention bump he wanted to but president trump sure did. john mclaughlin and tom bevan break it all down and a sneak peek into some internal trump campaign polling. laura is here for raymond arroyo for a very special edition of thursday follies, the best of my did in the in the basement, how

could they choose? you won't want to miss that either. the biden campaign must be getting some alarming internal polling on wisconsin, because after trashing president trump for visiting kenosha, joe biden made a seemingly impromptu trip to the battle scarred city today where he met with the family of jacob blake and hosted an entirely scripted town hall. almost entirely scripted. >> my name is portia bennett. i'm going to be honest, i was told to go out this way but i can't, you need the truth and i'm part of the truth. >> tammy: when trump visited kenosha earlier this week, the media was incensed. >> president trump wrapping up a controversial visit to kenosha, wisconsin. >> the white house has promised a unifying visit but that would be a gross departure from what we have seen from the president.

>> the president in wisconsin not focused on the pandemic but instead as former vice president joe biden puts it, fanning the flames of the nation's racial tensions. >> tammy: not that there is any bias there, keep in mind that local officials were adamant that the president come to town to offer comfort and support for the victims of left-wing rioting and looting. so who asked biden to visit? in fact, the head of the naacp, begged him not to come but here is how the media spun biden's little daytrip. >> joe biden is coming here to kenosha, wisconsin, with a message of healing. >> today the former vice president focused on a different battleground, wisconsin, trying to promote healing in kenosha. >> joe biden in kenosha, he wants to fight for the soul of the nation and that is precisely what he is trying to do. >> tammy: at wow, amazing. from what i saw, he was more

doom and division then hope and healing, take a look. >> he said there are very fine people on both sides, no president has ever said anything like that. the generic point i'm making is it legitimizes a dark side of human nature. >> tammy: that is a lie, that has been debunked, the president never said that, he was directly and immediately repudiated and white supremacists but joe biden continues to mention that, but joining me now is steve cortez, trump 2020 senior advisor and chris hahn, former aide to chuck schumer and host of the aggressive progressive podcast. welcome aboard, thanks for joining me. obviously the american people can make a determination about the difference in how these two men have been treated, but what

is this, they can't afford to have wisconsin break for trump again? is that what is behind all of this when it comes to their attitude and how they present these stories? >> absolutely, i think they know how critical the state of wisconsin is and the upper midwest will be in general. it's fascinating to me because it joe biden snubbed the badger stage just a couple of weeks ago when he would not go there to accept the democratic nomination even though the convention was still officially located in milwaukee. he claimed at the time that the science wouldn't allow him to travel there. the science hasn't changed over the last two weeks. what has changed is the political science and the reality of poles tightening all over the country and the realization within team biden that they have to get on the road, that there basement bunker strategy of limping into the finish line and trying to run at the clock and win by default is not going to work. >> tammy: people say you

shouldn't listen to what politicians say but what they do. and we do have a very different kind of approach, it was a short two weeks or they didn't go to wisconsin citing the coronavirus, now he is there. it's a good thing he is there, what are your thoughts on that? >> i think it's good that he went there, they're only two ways to run, unopposed or scared, the fox news poll had him up eight points in wisconsin, i don't know what magic polls everybody else is reading but the pole that this network took had them up substantially in wisconsin and i think it's good that joe biden went there with a message of healing. you're talking about joe biden staging some comments there, but president trump, he got somebody who used to own the business because he needed a photo off in front of a burnt building. a donald trump didn't meet with the family of the man who was shot seven times in the back

that started some of this protest in wisconsin. we need a president who is going to turn the temperature down, donald trump doesn't do it because he doesn't respect anybody but himself. we see what has come out tonight about general kelly about his son, this is the kind of stuff -- >> are you saying that it would've been healing? for the president to emulate what joe biden did? it would've been healing for him to meet with mr. blake's father, who was avirulent anti-semite, complete racist and bigoted and follow her, would that have been healing? >> i don't think donald trump is capable of feeling anything which is why this nation is going to send him packing in november. >> this nation needs a president who cares about people, not just people, not just rich people, not just his own family.

>> tammy: people are going to make their decision on november 3rd, they've got to know the president, i do want to know from you, we do know when he was in church and had a few people in the church, we do know of this young woman who was told she had to ask a question that had been handed to her and she didn't want to do that, why would they think that young black woman couldn't compose her own question or should have to read what the team wanted her to read? was at a bad move, i think you might agree that was a bad move on behalf of mr. biden. >> i never liked having public meetings where things are scripted -- i don't know what she wrote it down or who told her to write it down, neither do you come i need is anybody else. i would like to see the rest of that clip, he handled whatever question she did very well.

in a weight donald trump truly can't. >> tammy: she wasn't able to ask a question, she left. what the reveal was, joe biden didn't feel comfortable even taking an unscripted question and didn't trust that young black woman to issue a question that was important to her in her community and that was her point, we see that all the time. >> one trump goes to african-american church and takes questions -- >> tammy: thank you. he takes so many questions that has been, we are waiting for joe biden to take more and maybe we are seeing why he can't. wisconsin may not be the only swing state joe biden has to worry about. minnesota may not be as blue as the biden campaign thinks especially now that six mayors from democrat cities in blue-collar iron mining districts have declared they will be voting for president trump in november.

in an open letter, they wrote "we didn't choose to leave the democratic party, the party left us. we know that as a state from president reagan, many of us can relate to that. one of those mayors, the mayor of babbitt minnesota joins us now, thank you so much for joining us. it's a heated time for those of us who enjoy politics, i want to ask you, have other mayors or other local officials expressed similar views to you or are they worried to say the least about what the economic ruin biden would bring? what are your thoughts on that and what other people may be saying to you at this point. >> all of those points, those of the biggest concerns about what is going to happen in the economy if it goes the other way. i can tell you one more mayor has stepped up now, there are seven of us in the group. i think people are stepping up more now and they are realizing

we are a silent majority and we are done keeping our mouth quiet. we need to keep going forward and we need to keep plugging away, because it's going so well regardless of the coronavirus but i feel there are a lot of people who are going to be voting for a trump that are just lying low right now. >> tammy: would you say perhaps these are issues that transcend partisan politics, this is now about the future, about the economy and that is where the commitment has to be? more to the community as a whole or to the family then perhaps the party that you belonged to for so long as a democrat? >> everyone is working together and that is very important. we are seeing the way he has helped the minors, everything else that is going on, he is someone who does what he says he's going to do and that is

refreshing and needed right now. i have gotten emails from all over, all week and i had a gentleman called me from georgia today and he said he had voted for obama the last two terms and he voted for trump at this time, he said he's sick of being made out to where we need to make all of this stuff in the united states again, we need to bring this back and that includes mining. we have the safest in minnesota and that's what we need to focus on. and not rely on other countries. >> tammy: great stuff, you speaking up will be inspirational, thank you so much for joining us, great job. now that it is hurting him in the polls, joe biden is finally condemning the violence in kenosha and elsewhere, but why hasn't he specifically called out to the factions behind the mayhem? like antifa or the marxist group of black lives matter, victor david hanson has an idea, he

says biden's embrace of the radical left has put him in a socialist straitjacket with no easy way out. victor davis hanson, hoover institution senior fellow joins us now. thank you so much for coming on this evening, i appreciate it. i love the way you put things, everyone does. it is terrific to see you especially during this time when people are trying to figure out why people are doing strange things, like why would joe biden who is known for perhaps being a generally nice guy and perhaps even a moderate -- what do you mean by socialist straitjacket? that is very evocative, tell us about that. >> it works on a number of levels. for about 90 days, he was a virtual candidate and he had a steady lead in the polls. he looked at that violence in the street, portland, seattle is useful, the anarchy and chaos reflected badly on the commander-in-chief and as nonwomen put it, suddenly these things changed.

the polls that your prior guests mentioned, there are a lot of other polls, a gradual increase in trump's support. it suddenly we can't have this devil's bargain anymore with the hard left and we got to come out and to say something that they shouldn't do this, where they were perfectly happy to see a precinct burned down or -- not happy, but willing to tolerate that and now they are not so useful. and they can't really come out and attack blm because they have embraced -- they being the harris and biden team -- the socialist agenda. the new green deal and reparations and wealth tax, this is just the beginning because they have all these contradictions down the road. he has already stepped into fracking. during the primary, we are going to stop all new fracking, we are going to phase out fossil fuels, then he looks at this purple swing state paradigm and he says wait a minute. that is going to be about as

popular as supporting blm and we are going to see the same thing with guns and he is in a paradox. every time he contextualizes and backs off of that agenda, his base is going to say wait a minute, we were going to use you to carry this agenda through, good old joe from scranton, you can't renege on this deal. he's a prisoner. >> tammy: if i could argue here for a second, that in fact, he could appeal technically to a broader base, that is how you become president, you appeal to a large group of people and he's got his vice presidential pick, he has the nomination. maybe this is a time if you're going to alienate a group, maybe you alienate the group that is burning down american cities while embracing the group that is not. is that perhaps why he's beginning to flip-flop and realizing that somebody had advised him incorrectly and making chaos. >> he's sort of kind of may be flip-flopped, he doesn't condemn

the violence, he says this on the one hand and on the other -- what you said is perfectly logical. the center of gravity and the democratic party's silicon valley, hollywood, corporate america, very hard left, sympathy for antifa, the universities -- they have very little popular support but they have an enormous cultural and media clout. if you are confined in a basement for 90 days and you don't go out to a place like kenosha, you don't know what's going on in the world and they were shocked that these polls started to change and now they are trying to readjust and they are being told by hollywood and the left, you can't renege on this deal. you were supposed to bring our agenda, and i think they were trying to readjust. >> tammy: it does not sound like leadership. it sounds like a circus, there

is no real foundation of vision, no direction, and if you are going to be moving based on where a pole goes and that's certainly not what president trump does, you're going to be spun around quickly, thank you very much for joining us, i appreciate it. earlier we questioned if a young woman at the biden event was asked to read a script from the campaign. we just confirmed moments ago that in fact it was a statement from black lives activists in kenosha, a group she is a member of. coming up, does anyone really know what joe biden's platform is anymore? in the last week he has tried backing away from the radical policies he once endorsed, but our voters buying at the? mollie hemingway and matt schlapp are here to react. plus a virginia university will be teaching a class on how to overthrow the government. charlie kirk explains why this is just another reason to divest from colleges, coming up next. give you my world ♪

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everything down, i took that as a generic questions, am i going to follow the science? >> tammy: four days and three backtracks, a brand-new record for joe biden. you just heard his complete flip-flop on shutting down the economy, but that wasn't the only one. he promised during the debates the band fracking as well until monday when he said this. >> i am not banning fracking, let me say that again. i am not banning fracking. >> tammy: back in june, biden said he would force all americans to wear masks for three months until yesterday when he said he actually would not order a nationwide mandate. >> you can't do things the constitution doesn't allow you the power to do. >> tammy: joining me now is mollie hemingway, senior editor at "the federalist" and fox news contributor as well, also with

me as matt schlapp, welcome aboard. let's start with you, doesn't biden have a duty when we think about the nature of what the point is running for president, doesn't he have a duty to be honest to voters about his policy positions, or is this an indication that perhaps there is no foundation to any policy position? that he is adjusting based on what he thinks certain groups want to hear at the time. >> you had a guest at the top of the show saying the polls indicate that this race is over, that joe biden has won, that he doesn't need to do any campaigning and that is true if you believe the polls, they suggest that he doesn't even need to campaign. looking at what he's actually doing this tremendously interesting. his campaign appears to be in a bit of a panic. if he did come out strongly saying he would shut down the economy, would require everyone to wear masks, he said nothing

at his convention about the violence that is gripping cities. now all of a sudden he's dramatically changing his position, i think it's because they know his messages that he puts out are not resonating with voters and they are a bit worried about having states that we are told -- there's no way they can be lost, i think he is very worried about it. >> tammy: we know that was an issue with hillary, this seems to be a democratic problem of presuming that your base will simply do what they are told. they don't expect independent thought, they don't expect things to change. after hillary's debacle, is it possible they started this campaign with the same mind-set? >> he has been in politics for a very long time and he's playing by these old rules. i can tell certain people one

position and others another position. he clearly told the socialist hard-core radical base of the democratic party that i'm going to take the obama agenda and put it on steroids but he knows and routed to win the presidency, that you have to appear to be somewhat in the middle in these purple states. of what we are actually saying here, he is being incredibly deceptive. there is no question that he signed in blood with the base of his party that we aren't going to have any more fossil fuels. he signed in blood with the base of his party that there will be no regulations on abortion, we are going to take nuns back to court we are going to make them pay for abortions as insane as it sounds. there is absolutely nothing moderate or centrist about any of obama's positions except for the title. he's not from medicare for all,

he's for obamacare plus -- what is the difference? nothing. >> tammy: he was asked if he agreed with his running mate about this issue. >> your running mate senator harris said that the officer who shot jacob blake, based on what she had seen that should be charged, do you agree with her? >> i think we should let the judicial system work its way. i think there is a minimum to need to charge the officers. >> tammy: his answers seemed jumbled there and we were looking during the kavanaugh situation about democrats wanting to get rid of due process. it seemed like he didn't want to take any kind of position except for one that was condemning the officer without the investigation he also just called for. >> we have seen so many of these

riots that have gripped nationwide, they happened through people rushing to judgment and not trusting the process to work and sometimes they are operating with flawed information. in this case in particular, i think the media have contributed to the chaos by not accurately describing the situation of why the police were even having an interaction with jacob blake, what his resisting of that arrest was, what that situation was like, so you really hope that presidential candidates would work to calm things down rather than exacerbate the situation. >> tammy: we got a few seconds here, what is your take on the strange, jumbled answer to that question? >> he's trying to figure out the lien he needs to occupy to try to convince voters that he is their man in the big problem he has in all of this, you can't be pro-cop and you can't say you're against violence, you can't call it black lives matter -- he

won't say their names. he's not going to defend. >> he's a big problem in not clearly someone who can represent all americans. generally people go to college to prepare them for professional careers in fields like the law, medicine, engineering, et cetera. at washington and lee university in virginia, students can now learn how to become a professional anarchists and revolutionaries. the school is offering a writing seminar for first-year students called "how to overthrow the state" where it will place each student at the head of a popular revolutionary movement aiming to overthrow a sitting government and forge a better society. it also will have each student produced a manifesto. joining me now is exactly who we should be hearing from on this, charlie kirk, founder of turning

point usa and author of "the maga doctrine," it's one thing to ask students to learn about history and what happens even after there is revolutions like in cuba or in russia or in venezuela -- if you're going to deal with murdering revolutionaries like che guevara and it's something else to act as if they are on one or putting people in position asking them to relate to that attitude, what are your thoughts? >> rather incredible. if people wonder why the unrest in our cities stand from, we have an instructional course we can spend a $74,000 a year to learn how to overthrow your country. if you want to see what some of this insurrection in the root

cause of it, it's in our universities. when blm took over the streets of manhattan, two individuals that both had passed the bar that went to fordham university, princeton, and nyu law, they were arrested for throwing molotov cocktails at police officers and dare i say, what happens on college campuses happens in the entire american culture, it doesn't stay there. you see in vivid color how to overthrow the base, when you said a kid to a college campus, you might be playing russian roulette with our values and you might be training them to overthrow your government, it's hard to say. >> tammy: we did contact the university, this is what washington university told "the ingraham angle." of course titles are designed to attract the interest of students but the courses themselves all stress and are focused on the importance of persuasive writing, the goal of the course is to teach students with an interest in history to write

well and persuasively, not to overthrow the government. i don't think people are worried about these students rising up, but clearly this course, despite their statement seems interesting to me, you can create that with any kind of assignment when it comes to making social change or being persuasive. this really seems to be normalizing the ideas overall of mass murdering marxists that run around the world, would you agree? >> do you get an a if you're most like fidel castro, you get a better grade if you make a more persuasive argument to create a revolution? here's the other thing that will be deeper here, wise is not considered controversial or the university doesn't back away from it, yet if they were to have some sort of defense of western civilization, why america is the greatest country ever to exist, that would be more controversial than a course

that is provocative in nature to try to attract interest in students, i think that is a poor excuse dared to try to get students to indulge in the idea of overthrowing the state. is it mainstream to entertain insurrection and controversial to have appreciation and respect for the culture? that is when you know college campuses have lost. >> tammy: especially when one of the things they would be able to write about is exactly what the university system has been doing as well leading up to what has been going on in this country -- thank you very much, i appreciate you being here. coming up, laura is here with raymond arroyo for a special edition of thursday follies, the best of biden in the basement -- don't go away.

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even left wilmington to campaign in pennsylvania. we thought it was a good time to review the many failings of biden's basement strategy, we turn to raymond arroyo, author of the forthcoming book "the spider who saved christmas" -- they tried to keep joe down below for as long as possible but what happened? >> until the polls soured on him. the amazing thing was how jill biden tried to use the basement strategy as evidence of her husband's cognitive fitness. >> joe is on the phone every single minute of the day talking to governors who are calling him and nancy pelosi, he's on the zoom doing fund-raisers, doing briefings. >> one do you like to be a fly on the wall of that zoom call -- but what became apparent and what voters saw was a diminished candidate angling his way through these orchestrated

virtual events. even his asking kamala harris to join the ticket required a script, you'll remember. biden never seemed in command or even sure who he was talking to. >> how are you? where you speaking to me from, where are you now? >> i am at home. >> you ask other parts of the question, i can't remember what other ones were, what i'm going to do about immigration, what was the other part? >> it just hides under a rock, it hides under rocks. >> while the candidate hides under a great screen protector, image matters and it seemed biden confused, lost in conversation at times wearing a mask at home left the impression that he is simply not in control or up to the office of the presidency at this point. a >> laura: then when he

emerges, i guess for his supporters it's like a spring time. it's like the flowers bursting forth with color and vibrancy and the birds are chirping always behind him and the bees are buzzing. then it seems like autumn comes right away, spring comes like that and then it's autumn right away. biden couldn't even control what was happening in his own backyard, referencing what we were just talking about. i want to ask how can he control or run the country? >> trump is out there tweeting again this morning. >> the inspector general, make sure with that money went. >> that is the dcu here hear in the background. >> like we needed the explainer, this is the problem. somebody should be fired at this

campaign. the technical glitches, the wildlife going berserk, nature rebelling, he runs afoul of the foul at every turn, i've never seen anything like it. >> laura: you know what i was thinking? we are so demanding of biden that we actually demand that his staff or handlers, they can control the fauna and flora, that is not exactly fair, but they should manage it better. >> we don't record your show in your kitchen or outside because people are going to walk up or your children or dogs are going to intervene. you're in a controlled environment. in an attempt to salvage support because as polls have been sliding, team biden has not restricted joe too heavily edited campaign produced conversations with his running mate an and a scripted address without questions. here he is in a speech to the

national guard recently that got little attention for obvious reasons. i love this home addition of the west wing of pressroom on the back patio. >> 25% share of your deployment started off as 100%, now it's they pay 25%, they are required to paid 25% while their loved ones are deployed in harm's way. not one who diverts more than $1 billion in national guard funding to pay for a border wa border wall. >> nothing makes sense, they are non sequiturs all over the place but this runs to my primary thesis -- people vote based on the vitality of the candidate and the impression they leave on him or her. when you watch joe biden and forget what he's saying, when you watch him, there is a diminishment here and the more people see him, the more he goes

out -- he went to pittsburgh this week, the crowds turning out for him were a handful of people, it looked like they were looking for a bus. 12 people standing on the curb, that was the crowd. enthusiasm is down -- the more people see biden, the more addresses like this he gives, the titer tighter these polls ae going to get and they will start to invert -- watch. of >> laura: when we were at the rnc last night we could hear those horns going off in the background. maybe the honking of the geese, that is their equivalent, the conservatives are channeling the geese. that is their response, honking it constantly. that's absolute perfect. my friend came from new york, driving from upstate new york all the way to long island and it was trump signs everywhere. there were like five or six, fresh corn, nice corn this time

of year and two biden signs. >> but he's got the geese vote, don't underestimate the power of the geese, even though some of them are canadian. >> laura: they can vote three times as long as it's male in geese voting. great to see you tonight, take it away. >> tammy: great stuff. now, could joe biden's disaster of a dnc performance actually have hurt him in the polls? our poster panel is here in moments to break down the latest numbers, you don't want to miss it -- they write there.

>> tammy: not only did joe biden not get any bump from the dnc, that extended to zoom call may have actually hurt him in the polls in key swing states. back in july, a monmouth poll showed biden leading trump in pennsylvania by 13 points, but now, it finds his lead withered the just four. joining me now to unpack all of this is john mclaughlin, trump 2020 campaign poster, and tom bevan, you see him on social media, favorite of ours -- cofounder and president of a real clear as well.

is this all temporary? obviously things can change dramatically, this is an indication that it can and if the race, if the election was next week, things can be taken seriously. but i also saw polls indicate less of something that gives you an exact science or an exact view of something and more of an indicator of a trend. to do these numbers suggest that is a bigger shift that is happening here? >> certainly polls give you a snapshot in time and if you compare a current poster to a previous poll that will give you an idea of the trend. the polling in the broader picture from the date at the dnc first started august 17th 2 today, joe biden has lost about a half a point nationally in a real clear politics average and has lost about one point in the top six battleground states. he is exactly where hillary clinton was at this .4 years ago in terms of her lead

in the battleground states. i think the polling post conventions have been a bit of the mixed bag, there's a good pull out for trump getting a big bump out of african-americans, you mentioned pennsylvania, he had some fox news in wisconsin and pennsylvania that were not so good, it's a mixed bag at this point. >> tammy: we've gotten a look at some of the internal trump campaign polling first obtained by "the daily caller" and he would know about this but here is what they found voters care about most. 20% still say it's the economy and jobs, 16% said fighting covid, but only 3% and 4% respectively care most about law and order and racial injustice. it doesn't mean they don't care about those issues, it's just about if you have to order them, jobs and the economy clearly -- what does this mean for trump

and that the looting and the violence seemed to ranked so low on this list. >> one technical point, that poll is from the pro-trump super pac, not the internals of the campaign. the issue agenda is moving toward president trump and the day that joe biden signed that unity statement with bernie sanders, he picked kamala harris, there convention was an infomercial, president trump's convention was great, positive, great contrast and he's got a lot of polls on his averages that are skewed -- like that fox news poll mentioned in arizona, know how many democrats in that poll? 46%. exit polls from 2016 are 8%, where did the 18% extra democrats come from? there's a lot of skewed polls. rasmussen reports had us tied today and that quinnipiac poll, they are coming around in these other polls are coming around

where in georgia, landmark poll had us up at seven points. president trump is steadily gaining every day and moving ahead in the battleground stat states. >> tammy: he makes a very good point, this is one that trump supporter's have made a lot, democrats are over polled or they are skewed, but this does not do any favorite to the democrats either because in your moving forward with a completely wrong view of where you stand which i think was part of hillary's problem in 2016. >> i think that is right. in the six battleground states, president trump over performed the polls by about 2.8 percentage points. let's assume for the sake of argument he's going to do that same thing and over perform, that would lead him to win states like michigan, would lead him to win north carolina, the problem is he would lose florida right now because he only over performed the polls by 1% of

these trailing by more than that. if you look at the electoral map, 36 electoral votes to play with and still win the election which means he can lose two of those three upper midwest states and still win the election, so long as he wins the rest of the states, arizona, florida, north carolina, those are right now toss-up states. >> we are going to win florida. a lot of those polls are just too many democrats, not enough republicans. >> tammy: we've got to go, thank you very much, we have a lot more time coming up before the election, final thoughts when we return -- we'll be right back.

♪ >> tammy: that's all the time we have tonight. thank you so much for being here with me. i am tammy bruce in for laura ingraham. make sure to check out my show "get tammy bruce" on fox nation. i'm also the president of the independent women's voice organization. and you can learn more about me

at tammy bruce.com . mike emanuel and the "fox news @ night" take it from here. >> thank you, great show. welcome to "fox news @ night." i am mike emanuel in washington in for shannon bream. the president arriving back from pennsylvania and responding to an exclusive -- explosive report in the atlantic cleaning that the war heroes from below battld and world war i. claiming that the president did not join his then chief of staff john kelly on their trip, because the world war men were losers and suckers, that is a quote from the piece. the president responding a short time ago and it was impromptu, so the lights were down. >> general keefe, a highly respected man, could not believe when he heard it. and he knows everything about all of it. and to think that i would make statements negative two our military and our fallen heroes when nobody has done what i