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want to start with the house judiciary committee. we had some very difficult hearings from time to time. i've never seen anything like this before. obviously was correlated, the goal was to have you up there to try to teac treat you like a piñata. absolutely disrespectful. what were you thinking of this and what you make of this. you been attorney general twice. >> i think they were afraid to have me speak so they decided to burn up all the time and not give me an end so i quickly got onto the tactic. mark: and what do you make of the change of the whole nature of hearings now? they accuse you of being a murderer, a terrorist, i was getting nervous that somebody might grab a molotov cocktail from behind the table and throw it at you. what you make of that. >> i have the perspective of being attorney general 30 years ago and now and i thought things were partisan and top 30 years ago. nothing compared to this and i

think what has happened i've, i've been thinking about it because in the old days you could have friends across the aisle, politics was part of your life but it wasn't all-consuming, it wasn't everything, you could have communications and so forth with others, but it's now become more consuming for many people and i think what's happened is the left-wing has really withdrawn and pulled away from the umbrella of classical liberal values that have underscored our society since our founding and within the family we had two ways of resolving disputes. one is discussion. mark: that's how we operate. nowadays you have the left has

essentially withdrawn from. [inaudible] tearing down the system. it all has to do with the institution we had we have to tear them down and there interested, they're not interested in compromise or dialect exchange. there interested in total victory and that is a secular religion, a substitute for religion and they see it as evil because we stand in the way of the progressive utopia they are trying to reach and that's what gives the intensity to the partisan feeling because for them, this

pickle pilgrimage is a political pilgrimage. for people who don't have that perspective palliste politics is important but it's not the whole purpose of life. mark: do you think this ideology or heckle is, that ballpark, do you think this is devouring the democrat party in the last few years and does not explain why, during this hearing and other opportunities they will not condemn the violence, they will not condemn nt for. you think that's part of it. >> absolutely. i said during the hearing, can you come out and say it's not okay to burn down federal courthouses? they talk about the rule of law they talk about the importance of the federal legal system, the protection of civil rights, the heart of

it is the court system, and they're not willing, not one of them piped up and said it's not okay to be burning down federal courts. some of them are true believers and revolutionary in their outlook and they believe in tearing down the system but many of them are just cowards interested in getting reelected. for them it's careerism. i like my gig and i'll do anything to stay here and i won't stand up for what's right. i won't stand up for the country. i won't stand up for institutions. mark: are you shocked about what's going on with police forces in this country, the brazen attack on police officers by black lives matter and other revolutionary groups and the failure of local politicians to whom they report to protect them and

defend them and protect and defend the citizens of these communities, is this not shocking. >> it is shocking. i was speaking about our full employee economy which we will have again, we have to be careful because policing is becoming a very dangerous and difficult job and in order to attract the best people there you have to be supportive of them and i was worried about the vacancy rates, it's hard to keep police in many of our major cities and then we had this turn of events where they been demonized. the fact is, generally speaking we have superb police in this country, very professional forces in these events to happen. we have over 600,000 police in

this country and there will be some incidents of excessive force, but by and large it's an excellent police force and if they're going to be demonized like this, they're not going to work in these cities so maybe it will be a self-correcting mechanism if communities don't support the police we will have a hard time getting police. >> and then they will depopulate these communities. there gonna leave. governor cuomo was begging billionaires and millionaires to stay in new york city. i don't think cooking dinner for them will replace safety. kate stone institute, international policy, i don't think people really understand this and they say data shows it is highly networked, well-funded, has a global presence, it's out flat organizational structure with

dozens of local groups and the oldest group is in portland. they say the stated long-term objective both america and abroad and it got its birth in europe is to establish a communist world order. by the way this information is put out. it's not like we are conspiracy theorists. in the united states its immediate aim is to bring down the demise of the trump administration. it's an attack on capitalism, they say they are attacking fascism when there marxist fascist, that such thing, to bring down the trump administration. it's interesting that one of the cofounders of black lives matter said that one of her focus is to bring down the trump administration. what is it about the trump administration that stands in their way? >> i think they would be generally for bringing down any administration. they are a revolutionary group that is interested in some

form of socialism, communism, there tactics are fascist deck and your description is consistent with what i've seen. the trump administration, a lot of it has been the demonization of the trump administration from day one. i went back and i watched his victory speech. people should go back and look at it. it was very measured, it was a very statesmanlike speech, he offered the olive branch to end praised hillary clinton an thanked her for service to the country and talked about working together to make things better for the american people. that was the day he wanted from that point forward there has been the resistance. they have shredded the norms of our system to do what they can to drive him from office

or the habilitation the office. it's because of the desire for power. the left wants power because that is essentially their state of grace and their secular religion. they want to run people's lives so they can design utopia for all of us and that's what turns them on. it's the lust for power and they weren't expecting trumps victory and it outrages them. mark: this document, this research they talk about the roots of antifa. the half gang in germany and other really violent organizations in the united states similar to the black panthers and the weather underground accept the more networked, there better organized, they seem to have more ammunition of sorts to use against police officers and so forth. apparently they have a lot of their funding online. i have to believe that our

agencies and so forth are really trying to construct some kind of scenario about what were dealing with and how to undo this. am i close. >> it's a form of, it's a new form of urban guerrilla warfare. they used to speak about the guerrilla being like fish, swimming in the ocean the way the gorilla moves through it, the gorilla hides out among the people as a fish in the ocean, and what they do is they are essentially shielding themselves or shrouding themselves in first amendment activity. they go into the demonstrations which are exercising first amendment activity and they insinuate themselves in their to shield themselves, that's where they swim and what they do is they hijack these demonstrations and they provoke violence and

they have various peers of people from these sort of top provocateurs down through people who are their minions and sort of run the violent missions, but it's a difficult phenomenon to deal with. there highly organized at these demonstrations and these tactics that they use and the way the media response to them of course, the media doesn't fake footage of what's happening. they don't take footage of the rocks being thrown. mark: i want to ask about the media when we come back because it seems to me like you're onto something here. these organizations know how to blame the media based on what i'm reading and seeing and that is, their extraordinarily violent and they tried to provoke a police response and the police are called by the speaker of the house, storm troopers, there called gestapo, they're called secret police, they are aligned with the third reich

and. when i come back i want to discuss this with you.

welcome back mr. attorney general. were talking about the media. you don't really get a fair break in the media. plus we have the citizen reporters who have these video of these events which are

quite different than what we get a lot of times from the media which seems to be sort of censoring violence. the word narrative means there is no objective truth. there's no real story of what happened. everyone has their own narrative and you get to where the press can justify presenting a story that doesn't really correspond to objective truth but it's our narrative. we have a narrative, you have a narrative. i've been appalled at this violence because it's happening right out in the streets. anyone with eyes can see what's happening. they see the violence, they see these groups of agitators and their black outfits, there helmets and their shields which incidentally have a

hammer and sickle on them most of the time, rushing the police, causing violence, people showing up with the rocks in the frozen bottles. that's happening in front of people. you don't see it on the national news or the networks or other cable stations and yet you hear about these peaceful demonstrators. it's a lie. the american people are being told alive by the media. mark: may be you will see it rarely so they can cover themselves, but if you don't look fast you miss it. the best coverage of these brave citizen reporters. some of them get their brains beaten out, get horribly beaten and sometimes you have situations where the mayor has told this police to stand down and no one's there to defend them and it's an amazing thing

to watch the media. you would think the media would be defending citizen reporters with their iphones and so forth, but they're not. do you think the media, and i've written about this, but you think the media has become so ideological that it's just utterly unreliable, particularly similes cable shows? >> it's reliable for being partisan nowadays. as you and i know, first amendment applied to every individual citizen. this was the day of the pamphlet and everyone speech is the same.

you could have a number of situations where it's mostly peaceful that makes it dangerous. >> take the recent example of us trying to address the upsurge in violent crime that has come along with the demonization of police forces. we've seen throughout the city the major cities surging crime and many black deaths as a result. those black deaths don't seem to matter as much to the people who are proclaiming black lives matter. i believe black lives matter but i believe all black lives matter and i also believe that is not just a matter of protecting your safety from physical harm. it's also providing economic opportunity which this it ministration has done, it's also giving a meaningful education that allows them to seize that opportunity. i think there is systemic

racism in this country, but i think the best example of systemic racism that i'm talking about is the educational system which is relegated our inner-city children to schools that are failing and failed them and a president that as you know is for school choice to put the buying power in the hands of every inner-city kid. safety on the street. you can't have a community life and economic progress without safety. these are the things that we should be providing to the inner-city holistically, but the media recently has looked at our efforts to bring some justice to the streets of these communities that are suffering the violence in the may equate that to what they called jackbooted federal agents coming into crush protesters, it's either an amazing lack of understanding

with what's happening around them or its deliberate. mark: and they don't live there or send their kids there and they don't shop there. >> they buy their way out of every inconvenience. mark: when we return, i want to ask about some of the other matters that have been percolating. i'm curious about the michael flynn case and how you went about having that looked at again in order to make ♪ yeah, ie for grilled cheese. ♪ the judgment you made. we'll be right back. i have the power to lower my blood sugar and a1c.

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you decided to have jensen take a look at this case. tell us about that process. >> that case had been going on, i came in as attorney general as it was going on and after he pled, but in any event, it was being challenged by his lawyer and they made a lot of allegations about the government's conduct and so forth. sidney powell also raised some points about whether he had effective counsel because of a conflict of interest and so forth. i think everyone who knew anything about that case thought it was a bit hankie.

it's an all add up because the call on its face was perfectly legitimate call for the incoming national security advisor to make. so, i asked the u.s. attorney at that point because of all these attacks by the defense counsel on the department's handling of it to take a look at it and this was a man who was ten years and fbi, ten years as a career prosecutor in the department and a top lawyer in st. louis missouri and i asked him to take a look at it and he did and he found a lot of things that had not come to light before, had not been provided to flynn's or flynn's lawyer that showed for example that the fbi agents who interviewed him did not think he was lying and this

was later minimized in testimony. they meant he didn't break out into a sweat, his pupils didn't contract, bouts not all they were saying, they were saying they didn't believe they thought he was lying at the time. various other facts like that about what the real purpose of the interview was, which looked to jensen as if it was essentially held, it did not have, it was untethered to any investigative purpose. the sole purpose was to try to get them to why so based on those factors and the fact that i didn't think it met the standards of prosecution of the department of justice, i decided to drop the case. >> it's interesting to me, how many celebrity groups support.

[inaudible] of course there silent. this has to do with the rule of law, the people, many of my critics are constantly spouting the term rule of law. they don't know what it means. i don't think i've ever really thought about it. the rule of law means, at its core that any rule you apply to one person you have to be willing to come and in fact do apply to the next in the next who is similarly situated. that's important. it means anything the government going to do to me they're going to be willing to do to someone else in my position and that means that rules

generally come if you really believe them, if you think about it, it means rules will be reasonable. reasonably applied given the time and given what's happened a politics that even a reasonable decision, one based on an independent united states attorney who is a seasoned, really, a civil servant prosecutor, seasoned fbi agent, you take that, you apply it, you make a decision, i mean what if you got all the information you decided otherwise. one that be peculiar? >> yes, and so you stand up

for the rule of law. one of the areas i also want to get into briefly is russia collusion so we have this investigation going on and you had another independent u.s. attorney who served in republican and democratic administration out of connecticut. he's conducting the investigation. i think would be helpful for sylvia, my mother-in-law, and for the whole nation to understand when they say why aren't we indicting somebody, why are we indicting them today, do you have the power to indict somebody today or in some kind of clock or how does that work. >> well, part of the rule of law, as far as i'm concerned one thing i want to get back to is not using the criminal justice system as a political tool. i think it has been in the past. it was used as a weapon, and what i want to do is make it

clear that we will indict people only when we are satisfied that the standards of the department have been met which means we believe a crime has been committed by this person and we have proof beyond a reasonable doubt to prove it, to convict them, and we have to go to a grand jury and the grand jury has to agree to get the indictment and its proof beyond a reasonable doubt which is a high standard. i think all political has gotten in the habit of this country of just sort of saying the political opponents have done something terrible, they think it's terrible, it's enough for me to it conclude he's terrible, wise and he imprisoned. >> let me ask you this. you have a grand jury, what's their job. >> their job is to make the decision to return a bill of indictment. >> you u.s. attorney, what's his job. >> to present the evidence to the grand jury. >> and so they basically will

decide if 70 should or should not be indicted and then your more or less informed about it and have the final say. >> right. >> so you're not the first tier of this so when people say to you when is so-and-so going to be indicted, you don't really have a clue until that is really teed up, do you. >> nuts right you said, john durham 35 year veteran of the department work for both republican and democratic attorneys general special projects because people have a great deal of confidence in his ability and he is about gathering all of the evidence that people lose track of. i think that's what we all have to realize that in this process the witnesses have lawyers, sometimes they won't talk to yo you. mark: they slow it down sometimes, they will take the fifth amendment must the you give them immunity and so forth. also, there was a sprawling

number of issues that we looked at here and there was a lot of different conspiracy theories and part of our responsibility is to look at all these things so we can assure people that these various theories have in stock so this takes some time. mark: do you think the public has a reason to be angry about the whole russia collusion stop and what took place now that we have more information coming out on the public record. forget about probable cause. we now have testimony given by senior officials in the obama administration and not a single one believe there was russia collusion on all these other with the fisa court, this was a really horrible thing, wasn't. >> yes, to me to it sort of the doomsday scenario of abuse

of government power to keep a field against her political opponent and that's terrible from a governmental and civil rights standpoint. but the media was part of this and that's to me probably the worst aspect of it. the so-called watchdogs of this system became attack dog spread didn't use any critical faculties. some things that were clearly preposterously total hook line and sinker and fanned the flames of this worse than anyone else. they all got on the limb and the limbs been sought off but they wouldn't know it because they don't even say whoops we got that wrong him and onto the next conspiracy theory.

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welcome back mr. attorney general. there's been a lot of controversy on the state lockdowns, particularly people of faith who want to go to church and lacey are some decisions for casinos and abortion clinics, people of faith or gun owners and so fort forth, howdy balances. what you make of us. >> i was sort of amused because infrequently attacked for being an advocate of it negative power when it comes to the presidency and when the president exercises some power and they will say where does he get that authority from. governors who are executives in each state, they seem to be content of them having unfettered authority, they should have broad authority and ability to deal with disease and many of the measures are critical to undertake but the constitution

doesn't take a holiday and neither does civil rights, civil liberties and the have to be balanced against these measures. the measures have to be reasonable and tailored to protect the governor's interest putting the least great burden on rights. that's the correct balance to strike and guess what, some governors have gotten something's wrong over the past six months and sometimes they been capricious and arbitrary and when those things happen we called it to attention and most times they'd corrected it voluntarily without us doing so if they allow theaters and other get-togethers. that may put stricter limits on church come about the violation of constitutional rights. the church should not be treated worse than some commercial operation so, for example, i was disappointed in the supreme court's decision where they knock down the stay recently because i felt.

>> that involved church raising the question hey, how come we have a bigger limitation on the number of people we cannot in the church than the casino. >> right. >> so they were allowing casinos and commercial operations to have a certain number of people and so forth. and then churches, no matter the size, you can have a basilica that could accommodate 1200 people and they would still have this one-size-fits-all, just ten people we were telling states and a lot of states were not long with us on this because they agreed it was more reasonable, just have a percentage of your fire marshal limitation. if your church can take 200, maybe 20% of that. don't go with an absolute number because it makes, it doesn't adjust for the size of the church so we were supporting social distancing but we also oppose these arbitrary rules. sometimes these rules treated businesses differently without a reasonable basis so we were calling those instances to the

governor's attention and most the time they change the rule and people are more reasonable. >> this is covered by the first amendment. but is an interesting the people who talk about mostly peaceful protest, many of them are taking the opposite side when it comes from utterly peaceful church gatherings very silent and that would include the media, would it not. >> absolutely. there's a lot of hypocrisy today and this again goes back to the idea of the rule of law, if you are like us, relatively conservative, you try to be disciplined and say if i apply that rule here, i will have to apply it to the next, we've lost a lot of people don't think that way anymore. they're gonna do what impulsively i think i like here and i'll worry about the next case later. i won't try to reconcile

because when it comes to that next case, i'll do impulsively what i think is right there. we see that more and more in the courts. not so much with the new trump judges, but i think there's less of a feeling that have to reconcile these different positions because they don't seem to compute, but it goes back to intellectual consistency as part of the rule of law. mark: we'll be right back. when we're on our way. >> tech: just leave your keys on the dash and we'll replace your windshield with safe, no-contact service. >> tech: schedule at safelite.com. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ little things can become your big moment. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not a cream. she don't use if you're allergic to otezla.

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welcome back. mr. attorney general, a lot of talk about male in votes. we see what goes on in some of these states, it's a little scary. i don't see how more monies going to fix it in a period of 30 days and more states. you have some mail in votes in states, absentee ballots but you're talking tens of lands that never took place before. what you make of all that. >> i'm very worried about it. as a set of beginning, the two ways we have to resolve disputes in our society are keeping discussion and voting and right now we are a very divided country. politically, our elections have been very close, they can turn on one state, turn on just a few districts and

people have to have confidence in the outcome or we have have real problems in this country. i think the people who want to experiment with different ways of voting right now which are predictably create problems of integrity are playing with fire and are grossly irresponsible. mailing voting has been used for people in individual cases where they can't go in vote. you can go and apply for a ballot comedic at the ballot committee vote. there's no problem with that especially for states that have been doing that for a while. but, the idea that the voter will mail out your voting list while these thousands and thousands of ballots, it is scary because most of those mailings go to a lot of addresses with people no longer live, there miss

corrected, and they think they will create a situation where they could easily create a situation where there's going to be a contested election. mark: what concerns me my having worked for years at a legal foundation, we looked at a lot of this. any intent to clean the voter rolls, take off dead people, people have moved and gone to other states, people who have a maiden name and then a married name, this attack as suppressing the vote as a systemically racist effort to affect the election. i've heard this, we've heard this all along so we know the rules are not perfect. the post office is going to be mailing to those roles. we know they are not perfect. we saw what happened in that district of new york. we saw what happened in new york generally. it was a disaster. we though saw thousands of ballots showing up out of nowhere in new jersey. if you want test cases, these are test cases. too now have potentially 50 or

60 million people vote this way, why is one party pushing it and not another. you don't have to answer that question. i'll tell you why i think it unless you want to. it's because chaos supports the narrative that the president of the united states doesn't want to leave office when in fact the president of the united states never said i will don't want to leave office. he said a look at the results of the elections and then i'll decide. he's not hiring 600 litigators just because he wants lawyers. he wants to go into state court and fight every ballot. >> right. >> and it's funny, we went and looked back at press coverage of this issue. it wasn't until trump was elected that the media changed its tune. before that the media used to refer to male in ballots of fraud with fraud or integrity of the vote they've only now

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welcome back mr. attorney general, it's your second tour. are you glad you've done it a second time. >> i'm content with the decision i hesitated a long time, i wasn't anxious to go back into government, i was very content with my life and given what was going on in the country i had to step up and i'm glad i did that. i knew there would be a lot of ugly dance which is one of the reasons why i hesitated and in some ways it's uglier than i

thought, but that is the people attacking the administration and the idea of the residenc resistance to the administration but there were parts of it that have been pleasantly surprised. the president i think is an expert at conversation, calls on people for their ideas and so forth. i feel the decisions we make are well vetted in the white house and my colleagues on the cabinet are very high caliber individuals so that part of it has been good. >> the president is nothing like he's portrayed in the media. >> not at all. >> same with my experience. smart, engaging, charismatic a lot of fun and he works tirelessly. >> i've never seen such energy. he's always working. he cares about people, he

enjoys the process of making the country better and working for everybody. >> it's been a pleasure having you. thank you for taking all this time with you. god bless you and god speed. >> see you next time on life, liberty and the been starting next week, we will open the show every sunday night with our selection series. each week were going to take a different issue, the economy, china, immigration and tell you the facts. we will look at the details of the candidates of record and their future promises to give you all the information you need to make an informed choice. but before we get to the that,