>> sizzling summer in denver an wyoming one day and snow the next. >> are we bringing out winter goads? outnumbered starts right now. >> you bet we begin with a fox news alert, president from defending himself against charges that he purposefully downplayed the coronavirus threat in the early stages of this bread. his comments recorded during 18 interviews with journalist bob woodward, which will be part of a book that's coming out next week. that is nine hours of talking. as detailed in the washington post, the president had woodwar in early february, the virus wa quote deadly stuff while publicly he was comparing it to the common flu. and a month later, in march, th

president admitted to the veteran generalist he wanted to always play down the virus, however the president tells hannity that he had a reason, h didn't want to create a panic o frenzy. >> and the leader of the country , i can be jumping up and down and scaring people. and want people to not panic. that's exactly what i did if yo look at the representatives of joe biden, you see what they were saying. they said no problem, this will be a problem, he didn't think i was going to be a problem until months later. he was way late. >> joe biden is ripping into th president. he said he failed in his presidential duty handling the virus mr. >> we waved a white flag. he walked away and didn't do a thing. think about what he did not do. it is almost criminal. >> you're watching outnumbered here today melissa francis, cohost of fox and friends weekend, and fox news

contributor jessica parlett joining us in the chris bedford senior editor of the federal. hello, everybody. we have a busy thursday. chris i will come to you first. this has turned out to be something that because there ar audiotapes, has taken more time perhaps for the president and his team to respond too. what is your first take? to get my first take as if it sounds familiar it's because it is familiar, the president was criticized for downplaying the virus in march at the white house press briefing and at tha point he said he thought it was a fair question even if he didn't think it was the reporte didn't think it was a fair question. he said he's not going to give that kind of downtrodden jimmy carter speech everyone's been hoping for, he's got to be the true leader for the country. more importantly in talking about all of this, i've been talking to people on the coronavirus task force, i'm not

just talking political people, the career people, and they sai that they have been getting everything that they need, and they've been incredibly impressed with the ability to cut through bureaucracy with some of the appointees and corporate people who have come in and use white house power that bureaucrats have pushed back on paired they've said things like we're not allowed t do that. and the appointees will say, we are doing it, the power is righ here. because of that we have testing coming up to a level where even a rockefeller foundation will b satisfied by january. after joe biden pulled his mask mandate nationally on sunday, there's no difference in how they would respond to this virus . i wish we'd been quicker in dealing with this, but i can't think of a country on the plane aside from may be sweden's late did better than the united states for its. >> jedediah, when it comes to the american people needing the truth about something, that's where the question lies today. chris that could the president have told us more, and to say h

was trying to protect us from ourselves, what do you say abou that? >> i think the problem here for the president is that there was a lot of mixed messaging that was coming out. a lot of this is confusing. first it's confusing my president is doing these interviews with woodward over and over again. it never ends well for them. if you're going to do an interview like this, and he kne it was on the record, it was taped, and he was talking about the fact that it was airborne, talking about the fact that it was deadly, talking about the fact that it was five times mor deadly than the flu on february 7th, then it becomes a problem if a month later in march, you're saying contradictory things, either downplaying it with respect to the flu or comparing it to the flu, or not advising people properly based on what you knew in february. this thing is airborne commit people modeled their behavior, often times raised on what this

president says. they may have been making decisions on whether to go visi family member, weather to put a mask on, so i don't know. when it comes to the politics o this, i don't know joe biden would have done anything differently. based on his on the record statements, i'd say that's probably very unlikely so he does not get a pass. in talking about the president at hand, i think he deserves some criticism and some critiqu as to why, if you knew this information you didn't have to panic people, but there is a difference between not panickin people and not giving revlimid health information that would have modeled behavior that impacted the way the virus played out as the country at large. >> just a follow-up that quickl with you, jedediah, it is like you say about how the information is disseminated. my question as who else did you tell? did you save the hard real trut for just bob woodward, who by the way is not working for america, he works for bob

woodward. he knew he had a book coming out , so why did he hold the information? this is how you make money on the book. but weather there were official that weren't told this information, because when you look at new york, new jersey, and melissa i will come to you with this follow-up, and what happened with our nursing homes where there other people that we're not getting the total story. the president will always give the most and i would hope the best information. we're there any other calculations that needed to be made, and not just tell bob woodward the hard truth of who else was being told? >> i think it's interesting whe you look at the story, and you look at everything in hindsight and who said what and when. even if you bring just up-to-date right now, chris was talking about vice president biden walking back his mask mandate. i saw a commercial this morning where he is still pledging that he would have a mandate that

everyone wear masks. i don't know when to believe what he would do and what he wouldn't do differently. you had nancy pelosi telling people after this date that wer talking about that they should go to chinatown in san francisc where she went and that your racist if you're trying to protect yourself against this disease. i think there were a lot of different mistakes made. when you talk about bob woodwar and the book, i want to get thi right because he admitting that the time on this book was tied to the election. that was the demarcation. he said the demarcation line fo me had i decided my book was coming out at christmas at the end of the year, that would've been unthinkable. he wanted to get this out befor the election. it's not his responsibility to tell people what the president said, but he's acting like it now that he's doing this out of the goodness of his heart and out of duty. >> has publisher. >> while his publisher, but thi

is on the book release. if that's the case, why didn't he release it earlier. if you go through it and you read it ends they say this is something we could promote and pull out the. he didn't even know that was that big of a deal until has publisher pointed it out. >> one thing he had to know was a big date deal was they a tape spread when you get that much basic audio footage, that is a lot of time for a president to spend with somebody who doesn't work in the white house, isn't an elected official on capitol hill, and not and relatives. nine hours of time with bob woodward would be an inordinate amount of time no matter what. i want to hear from doctor prouty, because this is interesting. he talked about the covid 19 messaging. >> obviously, when we would be speaking to the president, we talk about the cold facts. he would get them. often, he would want to make sure that the country doesn't get down and out about things,

but i don't recall anything or gross distortion of things that i spoke to him about. so that's important. jessica, what is your rebuttal to that? >> it's not my job to rebut dr. fauci. it's my point to say that there are two people on the ballot on november 3rd, president trump and joe biden. dr. fauci did a good job pushin back on these reports, but mostly making it clear it's not his job to quarterback these kinds of disputes and he's concerned with american safety and public health as we're nearing 200,000 lives lost to coronavirus break this is a problem for the trump administration because he's on tape. last week we spent all this tim talking about whether anonymous sourcing even if it was confirmed about outlets including fox news was legitimate. now the president in his own voice as saying i purposely downplayed it, i know it's airborne, i know it's more

serious than the flu, that's a very serious thing that he held back. mic pins as well was in that briefing. and he didn't tell the american people as well. they took an hour yesterday in terms of pushing back the press briefing to figure out what the were going to say. and the team decided they didn' want to panic us. that is a lie, donald trump's entire presidency is based on fear and panic, whether it's migrant caravans, antifa or cory booker coming to destroy the suburbs. the president feeds off your an panic. >> before we call the white house press and not me, you, calling people liars, in the absence of a president has already talked about, he has admitted that yes he downplayed this, he didn't want to panic anybody. that is on tape. i don't know where you're getting the lies from.

let's move on. >> while the lie is on his twitter feed this morning. >> okay. the white house chief of staff mark meadows says he would have been opposed to bob woodward having so much access to the president had he said then chie of staff at the time. >> i'm not surprised that the president was onon the phone wi bob woodward, i honestly his access to the white house is probably something that i would not have recommended had i been in the chief of staff role very early on, but it's a thing that the president does. he believes he has nothing to hide and that's a the great thing about him. >> mark meadows joined the trum white house in march. chris, i come to you first for reaction. >> that's not an uncommon feeling with a lot of staff in the white house who feel like it's their job to protect the

president and keeping boy from particular people. president trump like a couple o other past president is very active in his press and his own pr. he doesn't basically himself. it's not uncommon to be around him and some environment when h would turn to the staff and sit set up an interview with this girl or this guy, i like this one, or i'm talking i'm interested in talking to that when. he would call reporters he knew coming he's always done this. so meadows could probably have said i would have liked to have stopped this, but president trump talks to whoever he wants to talk to about whatever he wants to talk to them about. it's been frustrating to anyone who's tried to control that. >> jedediah? >> yeah, i think he got some ba advice on this. i don't know who was advising him at this time, but you have to remember what we're talking about and the timing of this, the virus was in full swing. people were getting different

news day-to-day. a lot of people were concerned. whatever you said on the record taped at that moment, was important and you had to worry what was going to happen in a month. if you were going to macon on the record tape comment about a virus that was blowing up and you were going to say things like it was deadly, yet didn't know if this evolves or if this changes, i'm going to be held t account for these comments. maybe this wasn't the best time to have a reporter come in and ask you questions with a virus that was evolving with news tha was evolving, approaching in election season knowing full well you're the president of th united states and the buck stop with you. the whole thing is odd. may be president trump wanted t do this in the name of transparency and said i'm going to speak my mind and be honest. the problem isn't what he said on tape, the problem is with hi actions that followed that in other mediums on social media and the advice that was given t the public. the advice given to the public needed to follow suit with what

we heard the president say on tape. in order to say the president had information and with that information he advised accordingly. unfortunately, looking back, that's not how people are going to feel it. >> i want to go to you on something because something dawned on megree with you. i think that bob woodward was more bookseller than journalist. i know we introduced him as a journalist, but why didn't he tell the information the nation this information? i would want to ask him that. >> absolutely. you made this point yesterday when we were talking about i think sarah sanders book that you know when you finish your book, the publisher goes throug and okay, what is the controversial point in here, what could we as huge in order to promote this book and get yo on shows and get it out there and have people talking about it . i wonder if he didn't think thi was that big of a deal at the time, but then in retrospect as they're looking for a way to

promote the book, they decided this would be what to do. it is a different take then he sat on something he thought was harmful to the american people commit which i think as a more serious charge to say that the president was lying to the people, lives were at stake and he sat on that, that's a really ugly charge. i'm more inclined to think that later down the line, the publisher will wait a second, couldn't this backfire on trump? he said to you he played it down , why don't we play that up? to me that is more believable story of kind of what happened here in order to sell this book. >> we are going to get into thi part of it's a little later in the hour because there is more to it and we will delve deeper. president trump has announced 2 additional names of people who he would like to see on the u.s supreme court. now he is calling on joe biden to release his list of people. should biden do that? >> joe biden has refused to

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>> president trump announcing 2 more people that he would consider nominating to the supreme court. the list includes, kentucky attorney general who spoke at the republican national convention as well as gop senators ted cruz of texas, tom cotton of arkansas and george holly of missouri. president from calling on joe biden to release his own list o potential nominees and says there is a reason biden has not done so yet.

>> unfortunately there is a growing radical left movement that rejects the principle of equal treatment under the law. if this extreme is granted. he knows the names or so extremely far left that they could never withstand public scrutiny these radical nominees would continue the effort to reverse important progress america has made over the past 50 years on women's reproductiv freedom, strip away a critical health protections for american with pre-existing conditions, and gut labor, environmental, and civil rights. jedediah, your take? >> i think this is a smart

decision on the part of the president to release these names . particularly when you look at the names you see recognizable names like ted cruz and todd cotton. we have to remind people when you look at the exit polling in 2016 and you ask people what their chief reasons for voting for president trump or, most people would say the supreme court, they did not have confidence in hillary clinton's supreme court's pick straight president from doing the right thing here. he's being transparent which jo biden at this point is not on this issue and secondly coming forward and saying i haven't forgotten about you i haven't forgotten about the value of th supreme court and i'm going to remind you that even though we are in difficult times, the supreme court holds weight, it' an important position and i stand the same as i did last time, i will appoint constitutional conservatives. joe biden isn't talking about his picks year, but i would remind you that people who he i putting front and center, kamal harris, vernie sanders is front

and center talking about biden' economic agenda and how he'll have a key role in changing the agenda. the reason he's not putting supreme court pics front and center is because those will be far left pics, he doesn't think they're going to help them appealed to moderate voters, so as of today, the president has the upper hand on this. i think we expect to see a lot of silence on joe biden's part on this issue because being transparent on it is not going to help them. >> jessica is that right? why doesn't he come out with these pics? >> i don't think he has to come out with a full list, but he's talked about putting a black woman on the supreme court. if you look at the pics that president obama made commit those aren't radical extremist leftist, those our moderate lefties. i think that joe biden should b talking about this issue. i have said this time and again the conservatives are very good at rallying around the issue of judges and being pro-life. when you see after that list

came out that tom cotton immediately tweets let's end robie wade, that should be galvanizing for the left. whoever i pick will not be ted cruz, and where it garwin shoul get another look for what happened to him in the confirmation process in 2016. i'm all for talking about judge and i think it's smart for president trump to talk about this today tried to distract fo said on tape. >> chris, a 2-foot question for you here. i think joe biden is either way. he either comes out with a liberal list in folks realize he's extreme leaf our left or h comes out with a moderate list and he loses that left. also, is the judge a moderate? >> i don't think that she is a moderate. i mean, in check schumer's criticism here is a really wonderful endorsement.

which conservative voters are moved motivated by. was a way for him to invigorate people. he realized the holes that it turns out he has to campaign fo president in order to win. he's going to have to do go outside per he started doing that. he switched back his mask mandate, so he has to figure ou who do i need to reach, who am worried about, are the independence going away for me and it looks like they might be. who do i need to reach with my supreme court list and simply playing affirmative action won't . >> harris, real quick, your reaction. >> i think that you hit something on the head, melissa and that is joe biden will lose some of those far left members if he puts out a list that has you know, a little more moderat candidates that he would like t

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the fires are actually increasing. jeff? >> because of that, folks who called this townhome, remain under an evacuation warning as this fire, which is being calle the bobcat fire continues to grow. yesterday it was 10,000 acres i today it is 20,000 acres. it's essentially in the backyar of many folks who call monroe via home, and while the worries are not uncommon right now for many people who called the western parts of the united states home, because it is happening up and down the coast. there are more than 90 major fires burning throughout 13 states were at least seven people have died commit nearly 3.4 million acres burned, which to give you an idea about the size of the entire state of connecticut, california is suffering from the mostly and burned already breaking the record this year and there are several months to go for the fire season. authorities say at least three people have died, 12 others are

missing, and these fires are moving so fast it really doesn' give people much time to get out . >> it is so fast, it was just like a there was fire commit 36. i had to go into a sheet metal shop on the property, and everything burned to the ground except for the shop. >> now, beyond just the destruction from the flames, th air quality out here, i don't know if you can tell, it's abysmal. you can see little particles of ash kind of going across, at least from where i'm standing with the light pointing on me and you can smell and taste it. that is just one other element as fire season continues on her on the west coast. >> you think about people with copd, asthma, respiratory illness, and then you mix in coronavirus which is a respiratory illness for the mos part and it becomes very complicated when you can see th air.

jeff paul, thank you. president trump is headed to th important battleground state of michigan tonight just fewer tha 24 hours after joe biden was in detroit. the president expected to counter joe biden's message by pointing two recent job gains i his efforts to rewrite trade deals to benefit american workers. biden tore into the residence economic policies when he was i michigan yesterday. >> he now hopes we don't notice what he said or won't remember. president trump is broken just about every promise he's ever made to the american worker. and he has failed. he's failed our economy and our country. >> joe biden also ruled out his own plan to create more manufacturing jobs by taxing businesses which move jobs overseas and offering tax break for companies which invest in the united states. jedediah, i come to you first. what should the message be toda from president trump following biden's visit?

>> economy, economy, economy. manufacturing jobs, trade deals he has to point to his record preprint mak and a lot of this will come down to that. how did people feel about the resident record on the economy, the policies he was instituting when it came to taxes, regulation, manufacturing, trad deals, and all of that pre- pandemic because michigan was hit hard by the pandemic rate i think an appointment numbers went up as far as 24 percent at one point. president trump should also tal about that the fact that the industries are coming out of it commit many of them are doing much better, the unemployment numbers are dropping. also someone should ask joe biden for example he really dug into the president on the lockdown, he blamed him essentially for a lot of the economic fall prey to joe, what would you done differently because of the answer was you would've extended these lockdowns and extended them longer, then that would have made these numbers worse for a

lot of individuals. i think the president, like i said, needs to stand strong on the economy and what was going on before the coronavirus hit and what he can hope to do now. how he can boost those industries. if people can't see their families, nothing else matters. >> jessica, i can write to you. these are exactly what i would ask joe biden. plus i put in language on did you do a flip-flop on the. he wouldn't want to lockdown th nation. okay. >> answers do evolve in politic for everyone on both sides of the aisle, i'm happy that joe biden has is that they do want to get out of their homes and i is safe to return to work, that they would like to do that. he does have a strong record to fall back on when it comes to the auto industry, the bailout that he and barack obama had done there, backing him

strenuously in michigan talking about his record while he was vice president as well as in th senate in terms of supporting american workers. for and you have president trum that says he runs an american first campaign that he's on record saying that michigan aut jobs should go to states they don't have union so they can pa people less. the union vote as it was in 201 is going to be pivotal in this and joe biden will pick up key endorsements there. the president has police unions backing him but in terms of other unions, they are backing biden, so i think he's smart to hammer this and talk about tax breaks he will give to companie that buy american, sell america produced in america and he can be the america first president that donald trump said he was going to be in didn't end up being at all. >> it is interesting because when you talk about tax breaks, those don't for what i've been reading commit may be just gues something different, includes

everyday americans, i think his number was $400,000 a year, and i'm just curious about that. your take? >> the things that have really impacted the people on the ground in michigan or in pennsylvania, the reasons why were starting to see wages star to go up is because of a resurgence in reemphasis on american manufacturing. i think under either president would continue at some level because of the posturing toward china that is required right now . joe biden is a stumbling block right here is a classic democratic stumbling block and it's a reason you want to run people like kennedy or presiden barack obama or bill clinton because those who are young people who are untried that people can project their hopes on. biden has a long record on disagreeing on the trade deal renegotiations that trump pushed , and disagreeing a lot of the things he he says he hopes donald trump has magic wand if he wants to bring manufacturing back to the united states. that steph changed on the campaign trail and evolving is

not what we want to see on the road to washington. this is a tough spot for biden to be an end donald trump is following donald drums trade policy, i guess that's a way to get elected. >> i took a note on what you said, project your hope onto younger candidates. that is not what we're seeing though on the left. in fact, i remember when tim ryan was trying to run for that speaker of the house seat, melissa, that didn't work out either. nancy pelosi wouldn't let that go. your take on the economy right now and what is coming from these candidates? >> i'm always amazed that joe biden is willing to lie about numbers that are so easy to check. i'm just looking at the hill right now, since january of 2017 , more than 480 manufacturing jobs have been added to the u.s. economy under president trump, roughly 300,00 manufacturing jobs were lost ne during the eight years of the obama administration.

we all know that obama and bide sent all kinds of union jobs al kinds of manufacturing jobs offshore, and that president trump brought them back not eve everybody on the right agreed with that, the economic principle is you go where the labor as the cheapest, but he was steadfast in his defense of american workers, even when we weren't sure it was economicall sound. for joe biden to go out and say he's going to protect manufacturing jobs and the president didn't and broke his promise is easily fact checked, and a total lie. >> i'm going to capture that fo whenever i need that kind of a conversation i'm going to play melissa. those were such great numbers t know. bob woodward about to release a book, as we've been talking about that says president trump downplayed the coronavirus threat based on interviews he did once ago. should he ever released the reporting on this sooner?

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peoples lives in the way that they are releasing information, but then they themselves appear to be playing with peoples live in the way that they release th information. what are your thoughts? >> i kind of lean toward what you said earlier about bob woodward probably not realizing what he was sitting on here. the man is 77, he's a millionaire, he's made a lot of money. i think harris is totally right he loves to sell books, he's go an ego just like our president does. just probably why they spoke to each other. the question is, it was really difficult to figure out what wa going on. in china we had videos of dump trucks of bodies going by in february wondering come out where these victims of coronavirus or with these repor of chinese mass repression curing coronavirus with a bullet . it was difficult to figure out the only place we had anything reliable was taiwan, after that when donald trump moved to shut down the border, he was called

racist against china. it was a confusing time figurin out and the people watching thi for a living, i was watching it trying to figure out how many people are actually dying befor it came to the european country essentially. i think bob woodward probably didn't know what he was doing. to the time has passed and he should've released this earlier. even though they want to sell books, i do myself. >> harris, this strikes me as a topic that is not a winner for the president no matter what yo do because if he stops airline flights, you know, or he bans immigration, he is a racist. and an alarmist, if he tries to calm people down, you know, he' not taking it seriously enough great it's just a bad topic because it is really awful for the american people no matter how you slice it. it was a bad time. >> so that is why you don't wan

to look at it in terms of news good or bad for him. it's not personal. being straight with the america people makes you a little less popular, than that's what has t happen. those are always difficult choices. i'm not going to be president, those are tough choices to make but you have to believe in the american people being able to handle bad news. we can deal with it, we are ver resilient. look at our military as an example of that. i want to go back to something we were saying earlier. i asked a question about journalism versus writing books and you and i have both done it there is a difference coming across information is a reporte that you know you have a fiduciary responsibility to report i don't know how long it would take for them to figure out that what the president sai was or was not matching what wa coming out of other sources or whatever, but to say that bob woodward wanted to time it with the release of the election,

sounds purposeful. and hurtful potentially, if in fact it would help the american people. he is a journalist, 1971 he is with the washington post, he knows the difference between releasing that information, in fashion that is responsible and necessary, and holding it for a book. i would just want to ask him wh he want made the second decision . >> that is a strong point. we will end on that. the owner of the san francisco hair salon that house speaker nancy pelosi visited next week making a big decision about her business. she admits she is scared to go back. details next.

>> the owner of the san francisco hair salon at the center of speaker pelosi's controversial visit says she is shutting down her business for good erica, who pelosi has accused of setting her up says she has faced a barrage of sins pelosi's visit made headlines last week. >> i started to just get done o phone calls, text messages, e-mails, all of my reviews just saying that they hope i go under , and that i failed. i am actually afraid to go back

just because of the messages an e-mails i have been getting. it's a little scary and sad. >> jessica, i know you and i ar big fans of hair salons, but more seriously, do you really think that nancy pelosi was set up in this case? >> i don't think she was set up i think that the speaker of the house needed to get a blow out and she went and got a blow out now, the camera systems were in place five years before that. i also don't think that this news cycle or this story matter all that much to the american public considering what's going on. if you have close to 200,000 americans who have lost their lives, we have an economy we need to jumpstart whether nancy pelosi matter the rules were acted like a hypocrite is irrelevant to the american public. this woman did run immediately over to tucker carlson show and has made quite a scene out of i

on her side, so i don't think i speaks well of anyone quite frankly. >> jedediah, what do you think? >> you know, i think it matters to that business owner and i think it matters to business owners around the country who have been struggling for a really long time trying to abid by the rules, doing everything correctly, being told they stil couldn't open, struggling to pu on the food on the family for their families and then watchin nancy pelosi buck the system saying i don't need to follow the rules. at think it does matter because it is on the narrative of these politicians saying one thing an doing another. at think it's highly relevant that this woman was driven out of her business she is afraid t cooperate her business because cannot even begin to imagine th level of hate that was thrown her way. we need to keep in mind that this time is very polarizing in no one should be driven out of their business for expressing a opinion perigee had any right t go on any station she wanted an talk about what she felt had been a grave injustice for her. she been accused of something

she did not do in she should no be driven out of business for that. that shouldn't be what the united states of america looks like in 2020. >> chris, real quick, your thoughts. >> driving across the country i a reporter covering this i've had the opportunity to see how different politicians have handled the coronavirus and it doesn't need to be like it is i california and washington, d.c. where they are driving businesses under. it's a decision by political leaders to inflict pain, and i think anyone can call attention to this hypocrisy i feel terrible terrible for the salon owner. draw attention to our leaders doing this, not just the coronavirus. the american public will wake u to that we will do well in november. >> it is the hypocrisy which is what smarts so many people out there that see this story. more outnumbered in just a moment. we'll be right back.

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