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>> there are 68 different types of cancers that have been diagnosed while from the dust when the towers collapsed. officials say they have taken the lives of survivors because they were given underlying conditions from that dust. there's a move now to try to get coronavirus classified a as a 91 related ailment because the
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thinking is if these people did not have those underlying ailments from that day 19 years ago today, they would've not gotten so sick for being so susceptible to coronavirus. yet again later tonight, the tribute in light, the beams that pierced the night sky will again be illuminated. a very stark and emotional reminder, melissa, of what happened here nearly two decades ago. and about the threat that sadly still exists. from ground zero. back to you in the studio. >> melissa: those images aren't any easier even after all this time. thank you, eric. this is "outnumbered" and i am melissa francis. here today is harris faulkner, fox news correspondent gillian turner, the host of "kennedy" on the fox business network, kennedy. in joining us today, ari fleischer. former white house
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press secretary for president george w. bush and up fox news contributor. ari was with president bush in florida on the day of september 11th. with him afterwards aboard air force one. ari, every time i see you, i think about the time about 14 years afterwards i think it was when you live tweeted your experience from that day. we all wonder what it was like to be with the president then. so many of the things you tweeted were so staggering. one thing, when you found out, you held up a pad to the president to not say anything yet. i know there was some criticism for that later down the road. but in this day when people speak too quickly and tweet too quickly and say the wrong things, that memory jumps out at me. the idea of, it was such a serious thing and i think you
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said right before that the president was one of the only people who wasn't watching television by that point in time. he was with kids. he was at a school. tell us about that. >> ari: so many recollections come flowing back and frankly the most important one is the sadness. the realization of how many thousands of people lost loved ones, killed, slaughtered the day by islamic terrorists who attacked our country and put us on a path to war. as a new yorker, it's especially poignant to me. i remember going to windows on the world for lunch with my family. there's a lot to remember on that day. when i tried to do with the tweets, it struck me years later with iphones, take a picture of something and send it out, i reconstructed the day as i went through it and tried to do it down to the minute when things happen so people could go through what i went through, what other people on the
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white house staff went through and what the president went through. to this day, what impacts me the most about doing these tweets is when schoolteacher send me notes i get a lot of them saying they use to teach history and that kind of inspires me to keep doing this. it's not something i look forward to doing or like doing. it's heavy. when teachers say this keeps history alive and makes things relevant for their students, it means a lot and that's why i do it. >> melissa: it's different that you were there. i have a new yorker, i have a hard time going i'm watching this because it's too close to home. he doesn't get that much easier. one of the details, you talk about it from a historical perspective, one of the details my kids have seized upon from your account was the idea that any where the goes, there is a
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room where he can go with phones. help me finish this, a room where he can go. it's almost a situation room. tell us about that. >> right. it's remarkable the infrastructure that's built around all presidents and it goes back to the cold war. in the case of a soviet attack or a chinese attack, the president can do everything you need to do to protect the country. everywhere he goes outside the white house, even if it's just for 10 minutes, there is a secure room set up, guarded by the chief of service, that has secure lines inside that room so the president can -- that time was the first time president bush ever had to go into the holding room and use one of those secure lines. he got the word. he got the word that a plane hit the world trade center. that's all that we knew. he got on a secure line that condi rice was holding for him and we didn't know anything at
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that point. thought maybe it was just a small aircraft and the pilot had a heart attack and somehow it hit the world trade center. during the reading event as you alluded to earlier, he was in that room were almost everyone else in the world was watching tv and he was reading to schoolchildren, listening to the school children read to him when the second tower was hit and now everybody in america knew that it was a terrorist attack except for the president, until andy walked in and whispered in his ear, interrupted a presidential event which is remarkable, whispered in his ear that a second plane had hit the tower in america was under attack. >> melissa: we have that picture on the screen right now. that's a picture i think that's burned into so many memories. you can really just look at the president's face and i think see him trying to remain calm and not show it. you can see in his eyes i think how stunned he is. i want to show you one other
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picture and this was i believe back at the white house. much later on that day. here in this photo. so much had happened by this point. what emotions, what do you think about? you have a monitor near you. can you see this photo? >> i think i know what you are referring to. that's when we arrived back at the white house after going to the air force base in louisiana and the air force base in nebraska. we could get back to washington and it was safe to get back to washington. we walked into the white house and we went into that room, the private dining room off the oval office. there was a cadre of white house officials waiting for the president. condi rice, judge al gonzalez, andy and i were with the president. the president was in there telling the staff about the events that took place during the day and how much he wanted to get back to washington for that was one of the most interesting things about that day.
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when we took off from florida from the school in sarasota, we thought we were going back to washington. frankly, the secret service put their foot down and said there's no way we are taking you back to washington. at the air force one pilot didn't want to go back to washington. the president did. what i later learned was that the secret service has a higher obligation to doing whatever the president tells them to do by law. they must protect the president physically and even if the president had given commander-in-chief orders to the airport -- air force one pilot, the colonel would not have obeyed and he would have been protected by law because his duty was to protect the president's physical safety. they weren't going to left the present go back to location. they wanted him in a random place, somebody were nowhere could -- no one could guess where he was.
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>> kennedy: did you hide the identity of air force one when you were landing in various places? >> ari: we tried to hide it. back in 2001, it was a different era technologically. you didn't have smartphones. you had cell phones but it wasn't the ease of communication the way it is now but we asked the reporters not to use their cell phones because we didn't want any adversary to pick up a signal that could be from air force one and we asked them not to report that we were going to barksdale. they agreed they would because obviously they were worried about the president safety as well as their own. as we landed at barksdale, on a b-52 drill, which made the base incredibly secure, local louisiana tv station, shreveport tv station was covering the drill. they captured air force one landing at barksdale air force base. they happen to be at the right place at the right time. at that point, i kind of threw my hands of the nearness of you can report the location.
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everyone is going to know it anyway. >> melissa: let me ask, this year it feels like even more than ever before we need this day, as sorrowful as it is, to remind us of the unity of america. that togetherness that's possible. what are your thoughts on that? >> harris: that's exactly where i am today. i always say every year, this is the 19th year, i will sit very quietly in my family room. the kids are in school. i will watch a little bit of the coverage. and then i am there for hours. i sat and watched, they got to the later scenes, i said they are about to get to the ds in the name reading on my uncle went by. i've watched it. i've met people at the memorial who etch the names. you see how they are in the granite. some people are doing it right now. they're leaving items there but
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they are also taking pieces of paper and etching their loved ones names. i have one hanging in my home. that connective tissue that we all felt when this happened is what we need to remind ourselves of right now. as we bicker, fight, and divide ourselves further. we promised we would never forget. part of never forgetting, melissa, is remembering who we are in those big moments. it's not just about never forget those we lost which is so critical. i love hearing ari fleischer talk about the back scene of what was going on with those who were tasked with protecting the rest of us. we didn't know what was happening next, or anywhere in america. we didn't know. the brain trust of the big hearts and the big vision that was there and ari, you were part of it, to communicate with the world what was next as
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americans. we learn about that but we have our role individually. we are supposed to remain intact and resilient and believe we will be better no matter what the circumstances. i challenge people today, when you say you will never forget, remember that. remember that. remember who we are. >> melissa: jillian, i also think, when you say remember, when harris says that, when i remember the first responders and frankly the police who gave their lives on that day so unselfishly, running into save people, i think many of them knowing that they weren't going to be coming back out once you saw it everything look like there. to me it reframes the debate about defund the police. to think about these police that gave their lives. you know, it makes that
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sentiment of defunding so much harder to swallow. it almost feels disrespectful to those men and women who gave their lives that day. >> gillian: i agree, it does sound disrespectful and it's also disrespectful to american civilians who first responders and police officers across the country protect every single day. like you, melissa, i'm a native new yorker. i was there on 9/11. the tail end of that day which was coincidentally my first day of college classes which were then canceled. thinking back on it, it's always a reminder that new yorkers are fundamentally good people. then americans across the nation are fundamentally good people and that this country is a fundamentally great country. it's another thing that bears repeating on this day, five years later i was then moved to washington to work for the bush administration at the national security council and they bring that up because the
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work that ari talked about a few minutes ago at the top of the show that he did, the work president bush did, andy carr, condoleezza rice, on that day, it's legendary. it wasn't just legendary inside the administration but all across the country and it was an inspiration all of us who came up to work in government later on in later years. a quick note, when we are looking for silver linings 19 years later, we are safer nation today because of 9/11. we have the department of homeland security. we have a counterterrorism unit. all across the nation. innocence we will never be as vulnerable ever again as we were on that day. >> melissa: wow, that's a really good place to end. thanks to all of you for sharing your thoughts and memories on this day. remembering 9/11, 19 years later. we'll be right back.
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>> biden was in michigan. he said i better get out of the basement. this guy is starting to do very well. lying about his lifetime of coldhearted betrayal. perhaps the worst trade deal in the history of our country. he continued to embrace and promote nafta for decades. i told you he just said it was not as good as the deal i made. >> harris: president trump tearing into the democratic nominee joe biden at a campaign rally in michigan last night. he zeroed in on biden's 1993 vote for the north american free trade agreement, or nafta. his comments, after biden admitted the u.s.-mexico canada trade agreement which president trump signed into law
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last january to replace nafta, was an improvement. biden did not give the president credit for brokering that deal. instead -- and said there is still more work to be done. >> it is better than nafta but look at what the overall trade policy has done even with nafta. we have this gigantic deficit in trade with mexico. not because nafta wasn't made better. because the overall trade policy and how we deal with it made everything worse. >> harris: ari, what is he talking about? >> ari: [laughs] i think you just have to be on offense. when you're running against somebody for president, you can never give them credit. you have to go after them, which is what joe biden is doing. what's fascinating me about this exchange is that donald trump is change the republican party. it used to be the party of free trade. now i think the era of having anybody in either party for free trade has really shrunk to the point where it's over. bernie sanders has been in that
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position. donald trump has been in that position. it's an odd joining of those wings of the party that squeezed out the free traders and that's going to be the lasting legacy of a trump era no matter whether president trump wins or loses. not going to see joe biden pushed free-trade agreements. he will get nowhere. >> harris: kennedy, i'm sure many people around america were curious about how the economic messaging with sound, would feel coming from joe biden considering that we are starting to bounce back in the economy. we don't know what covid-19 is going to bring us in the fall but right now things are looking better. unemployment falling to a .4%. that's a distance from where we were at the height of the pandemic. we are coming back in the right direction. what kind of messaging could joe biden have? are you surprised by any of what you heard in michigan? >> kennedy: i'm not surprised them i think he has to be really careful because it sounds like he's piggybacking on
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president trump's agenda. he's been really straightforward about for decades now. essentially you have two plans look very, very similar. you're talking about populism. ari is right, th the free trade, their voices have been so demonized to your but they are also constitutionalists. in the are the ones who see the country's health rooted in economic prosperity which is a really good thing. joe biden doesn't have any new ideas. he talks about the trade deficit goes on and on about that but that's been one of the president's main complaint that has been driving his trade policy particularly with china. there are a free who say that you don't have to hyperfocus on trade deficit. that does not mean we are again economic disrepair.
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>> harris: from what kennedy is saying and we know only look at the polling, no matter where you are in the spectrum, battleground, across the country, overall, the president is better than joe biden. if this is a function of if you can't beat 'em, start to sound like 'em? >> melissa: i would like to respectfully disagree with kennedy and ari. while it's true it's fascinating that the parties have flip-flopped sides and now joe biden is going to be vilified for having signed nafta and has been forced to defend this when it seemed like a very good thing at the time. as he admitted, the nutrient deal is better. while the president came out against nafta and that was scary for us economic free traders, he really did negotiate a better deal. what it was that he was against about nafta with the places where america was at a huge
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disadvantage. those who negotiated it along the way and in the clinton administration gave away too much in order to get it deal done but at the time, i certainly didn't think that they had given way too much in the sense that like so many other people, i assumed that was the best deal you could get. what the president has changed is what you can demand in a free-trade agreement. while it scary that he didn't seem to like free trade, what he's demanded is a better deal for america. why not? we have a ton of leverage. we haven't had anybody in the president's office before who wanted to focus their efforts on negotiating a better deal through this president does. >> harris: all right, we'll move on. a spokesperson for the biden team facing questions about whether the democratic nominee uses the teleprompter when speaking to the press or supporters. has nonanswer and whether this will become an actual issue in the campaign.
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>> melissa: time for some headlines. joe biden heading to shanksville, pennsylvania, to pay his respects trickle respects of the paid his respects to the flight 93 passengers. while fire is emerging in the pacific northwest has oregon's largest city portland declares a state of emergency. 500,000 people across the state, more than 10% of the population, have been forced from their homes. the inferno has burned nearly 900,000 acres. four former minneapolis police officers charged in the death of george floyd appearing in court today for hearing. attorneys for the defendants and each should have a separate
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trial. prosecutors say they should be tried together. the national press secretary for the biden campaign refusing to answer questions on the extent that joe biden uses a teleprompter when not giving formal speeches. watch this. >> has joe biden ever used it teleprompter during local interviews or to answer q&a with supporters? >> we are not going to -- this is straight from the trump campaign. what it does is it's trying to distract the american people. i'm not going to allow the trump campaign to funnel their questions through fox news and get me through. >> melissa: wow. ari, i've never heard a more obvious dodge in my life. if accusing bret baier of asking questions for president trump?
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talk about trying to distract and deflect and set off fireworks lead have to answer a question. what was your take on that? >> ari: this was not obviously from the trump campaign. this was obviously from joe biden's behavior. bret baier never would've asked the question of joe biden didn't do it. but this is an afl-cio meeting with vice president biden where he took questions. a person asked him a question you can see him take a pause and say raise it, raise it, bring it closer. paused and waited for the answer to come up on the teleprompter. a simultaneous live question which is astounding. nobody does it. i don't know anybody running for public office who gets to have a question and answers preloaded into a teleprompter. what kind of fakery is this? you have to wonder why. what is it about joe biden that would make him go to such lengths to have a q&a preloaded and make his staff --
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the obvious answer is yes but they can't admit it. this is a sign of something deeper that something is wrong. no articulate candidate should do this. the thing is you do see joe biden do interviews on live tv more clearly when he's with a journalist he can have a question and answer preloaded. he can when it's from the audience at the afl-cio. why is he doing this? >> melissa: yeah, it's a very interesting question. gillian, we have watched as well, i mean even in one of the most recent press conferences when he looked out in the crowd and said, you know, i don't have the list here. i don't know why i'm supposed to call on. do you call from over there? it lends more to this idea that he is really being managed very, very closely to the point where, as a journalist out in the field, don't you think a candidate would be afraid of being caught reading the answer from a prompter like that? >> gillian: look, every public official, every presidential
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candidate has their own delivery style. they have their own strengths and weaknesses. i actually don't see a lot of shame and acknowledging from the biden campaign's perspective that he does much better with prewritten, scripted, planned remarks. from that respective, t.j. really missed an opportunity with bret last night to own it and say this is a candidate who likes to be very involved in the drafting of his own speeches and q&as. he does very well with this kind of scripted delivery and we are sticking to it because he's good at it. he could've handled that question better. in terms of bret's line of questioning, what bret said a couple moments later after that clip that you played is that he's asking this question because it is going to be a debate question at some point this cycle. republicans are going to ask biden about this on the trail at one of the presidential debates, and they should be prepared for
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it. >> melissa: yeah. harris, how would that answer have gone over if he had said -- well, he likes to be scripted. >> harris: look. transparency is always the best thing. in this case, with ari's reading of the reading of the prompter, scoot it up or whatever it was, that's one thing if it's a group like that. if it's journalist, i am more concerned about the journalists than i am about whether or not joe biden needs something scripted. nobody, and ari, you're right about this, should accept or expect members of the press to open up their report and all books, telling exactly what they are going to ask. you can decide. are you tilting into the lane where you get to pick the questions because we can't go down that road. we can't. that stops journalism and starts the advocacy and then who is working for home. that's why you didn't answer to this. if they want to script him and he can't go off script, that's
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one thing. you can't scripted questions. you can't script what reporters are going to ask. that's what i would ask about. >> ari: a reporter needs to put this to biden. did you do that? >> melissa: well, one did. bret baier. >> ari: to the vice president himself. >> melissa: yeah, gotcha. new york city business leaders meeting with mirrored bill de blasio to take action against quality-of-life issues plaguing the big apple, including the resistor in crime. how the mayor responded, next. with less of the sugar you don't. [grunting noise] i'll take that. woohoo! 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. ensure max protein. with nutrients to support immune health.
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>> harris: ceos from some of new york city's largest companies have sent a letter to mayor bill de blasio begging him to crack down the big apple's growing crime crisis and quality-of-life issues.
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mayor de blasio responded this way. "we are grateful for our business community and are partnering to rebuild a fairer, better city. let's be clear. to restore city services and save jobs, we need long-term borrowing at a federal stimulus. many of these leaders to join the fight to move the city forward." gosh, ari, i come to you again. what's he talking about? [laughs] he is like one of the most disliked mayors in new york history. what's he trying to say to these business owners? >> ari: what he just said in that quote is to do what we do as a city government we need to borrow money and get money from taxpayers everywhere from the rest of the country. we really need to do is have a vital, thriving economy where you welcome everybody into your city, including those who make money. middle income, upper middle income. instead new york city is chasing the successful away. new york state is chasing the successful way, the reason is taxes are ridiculously sky-high.
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so are the regulations. it's almost impossible to do well unless you are super rich. as the rich leave new york, they are leaving everybody else behind and de blasio solution? borrow money and get taxpayers in other states to pick it up. that is no solution. >> harris: you have some dems up for reelection, they made an ad that said worst mayor ever. he said no, that's it. that's the whole ad. mayor de blasio. wow. >> kennedy: he comes from a swing district which she could very easily swing the other way and he knows that. it's frustrating because for those of us who live in new york city, we remember the new york city miracle after 9/11. remember when people flock to new york to really participate in some of the incredibly cool,
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wonderful unique things that new york has to offer. restaurants to broadway, shopping. the resumes. the orcs and beyond. now the new york city miracle under bill de blasio was how fast the city is emptying out. he might have killed it forever. >> harris: i asked, more so whose side is de blasio on when he does things like this? is he really looking out for the city? i don't live in the city so i don't know. what's the end game here or what could it look like? >> melissa: i don't know who he's looking out for. does a lot of questions around his wife's charity and where the money that's been given to that charity has gone from taxpayers. he must be on her side. yeah. read "the new york times." is a lot of good investigative journalism on this. it's not shane. it's fact. among the organizations, the wnba, the nba, nasdaq macy's
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mastercard, these are not conservative organizations. these are companies that are saying we can't get our people to come back to work because they're afraid for their safety. they are afraid to ride public transportation. and they are right about that. we can't assume the liability for the mess that the city has become. the mayor's response was, i need more money in order to make it better. he spends more than any mayor who has ever come before him on everything. his budget, homelessness. he is the biggest spender in new york city of all time. he doesn't need more money because obviously i where mayors have done a lot more with less. as far as borrowing, he's welcome to borrow at any time. there's a line of credit for him at the treasury. he doesn't want that. he wants a gift. he is the worst mayor of all time anywhere. >> harris: while you were talking, we popped up video of mayor de blasio.
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he was on the front page of the "new york daily news" last week. calling him out for delaying more time with opening new york city schools and wondering what the delay is about and who he is doing deals with in terms of trying to get things open. you see him in the classroom. i've got to tell you, that's the most oppositional picture of success for him right now. it's interesting. we'll move on. the nfl is returning. there were also protests and changes to the pregame festivities. the fans reaction to all of it, including the issue of unity making headlines today. raising questions about whether we can expect more of this comes sunday. veterans, record low mortgage rates
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>> melissa: the nfl is back with social protest. houston texans in kansas city she's locking arms in the center of the field last night. the moment of unity. players in the texans chose to stay in the locker room during the national anthem and "lift every voice and sing," commonly known as a black national anthem. players for the kansas city chiefs were on the field for
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both songs. the miami dolphins announced the team has decided to stay inside during both anthems during the entire 2020 season. several dolphins pull oils saying they want real reforms on racial justice, not empty p.r. stones. ari, is this an empty p.r. stunt and wouldn't it be better for the top running players, the top 1% of our earners to donate a year's salary to invest in minority communities so we can have a little bit more of a strong showing? >> ari: i oppose and will always oppose anyone who kneels during the national anthem. i find it disrespectful and it's a terrible divisive way to send a message. with these players really can do beyond locking arms which i thought was a good gesture and a good way to begin a game. what they really should do is get to know their local police
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chiefs. every police chief in the local community would love a relationship with an nfl player because they can send signals to parts of the community that police chiefs and mayors probably can't. it's great for the audience because the players can tell the police chiefs what's on their mind and hopefully change policing. that's how you make an impact. it's not about money. it's about using your time, your voice and your fame to get involved with people who do the policing. that's a people should do. the league and the team should make those introductions, get to know the police. kneeling on the other symbolism is not the answer. working is the answer. >> harris: to piggyback off that, you know why that's so important? we are losing some of our big names in highly recruited people of color who were police chiefs in the very cities where we need them to stay. they are exiting. how about give them some help
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and some representation which resembles the people that are in the streets somewhat, right? doesn't always have to. they'll need help. instead we are losing some of that talent. those who are left on the police forces do need to be shored up because they are still answering the calls 1911 is called. >> kennedy: that's true and it's certainly something to think about. last word, julian. >> gillian: the moment of unity is a wonderful thing. a great gesture that i've been saying from the get-go, it never had to be either or kneeling during the national anthem. >> kennedy: very good. we have more "outnumbered" moment. stay right where you are paid will be right back what do you want? i came here to plea for his life. don't let them take me. we're getting out of here. infidel. rated r.
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ari, thank you so much for sharing your experiences with the president. i not so easy to relive that david it's very important to remember, so thank you. that's it for "outnumbered." here is harris. >> harris: president trump defending his comments to author bob woodward, insisting he wanted to avoid creating a panic when speaking publicly about covid-19. the joe biden team is looking to gain leverage from the comments with the election fewer than two months away. this is "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. at a news conference, the president tore into "abc news"'s jonathan karl after carl asked about the universe with bob woodward and specific comments he made on the coronavirus. the president really took issue with the reporter's questions. >> why did you like to the american people and washed we trust what you have to

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