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>> melissa: barr also saying he agrees the upcoming election will be the most significant in our lifetime, and shot down rumors the president would refuse to leave office if you lost, calling them "crap. this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today is harris faulkner. fox business anchor, dagen mcdowell. house of kennedy on the fox business network, kennedy, and cohost of "the five" and fox news political analyst, juan williams. juan, let me start with you on this. i don't know if you seen this study out of princeton, whose goal it was to show that the protests were mostly peaceful where they were. would it surprise you to know that they still found there were 570 violent riots in 220 places around the country since the beginning of the year? does that seem like a big number to you, violent outbreaks? >> i don't know how to compare it, i don't know what normal

would be, to see if it's a spike or not, melissa. but i am familiar with the study. >> melissa: that doesn't sound like a big number? >> juan: i don't know, i said i don't have a point of comparison. i can't do that for you. what i can say is that the study indicated it's like 95% of the protests after the george floyd death were peaceful protests. i know that people say, "yeah, but there was some rioting, some looting." i think that's true, too. >> melissa: 570. >> juan: right. it's a small percentage. i mean, there was an overwhelming number of protests in communities, small and large, across america. i remember marching with my grandchildren, and it was very peaceful. i think there are some people who are discomfited by what happened and they have every right to be so, but i don't think that is the marker of the protests that took place.

>> melissa: that is some serious spin. kennedy, do you feel like 570 violent riots where people were hurt, property was damaged and stolen, where fires were set, where businesses were ruined, where people were terrified, where police were hurt, is a big number? 570? or do you, like juan, think, "if i don't know what to compare it to, that doesn't sound like a big deal?" >> kennedy: no, i think that is sort of rationalizing a real problem. because you're talking about police officers who have permanent partial blindness because of lasers used by some of the agitators, and you're also talking about women who were sexually assaulted in the capitol hill autonomous zone, c.h.a.z, or c.h.o.p., whatever they called it, in seattle. and you have businesses in communities that will never rebound. again, these are permanent closures, and the charm tha on y

card that's been done, that's like saying 90% of its peaceful. that to those people whose lives have been forever changed because of the violence. that's like saying 95% of the sorority girls that ted bundy met, he didn't kill. that's little comfort to the ones that he did. >> melissa: that's true, that's a great analogy. dagen, let me ask you. kennedy just brought up c.h.o.p. it would be amazing to everyone, probably, to know that c.h.o.p. was not counted among those riots in 220 locations, even though we know there were shootings there. that technically didn't qualify as one of the 570 riots. do you think that amount of violence is shocking, is not what we want in a democracy? >> dagen: yes, because i have a brain and a soul. juan, i'm not insulting you.

>> juan: it's okay. [laughter] >> dagen: to bring it back to bill barr -- i was insulting the left-wing liberal leaders who have stood by and watched lawlessness beget lawlessness, and watch this mayhem and the -- let me just finish, and -- >> juan: nobody -- in response to you, though, i would say, dagen, nobody endorses violence. nobody likes violence. even on the political spectrum, it is from trump all the way to biden, they say violence and rioting is bad. >> dagen: juan, nobody mentioned the violent and the unrest in urban areas at the national democratic convention. it's only when the polling was moving away from joe biden and kamala harris. i digress. let's bring it back to bill barr. the people whose livelihoods have been destroyed, this businesses have been burned and looted in the cities across the country, there are the ones who are sitting back and cheering on bill barr. bill barr is the top cop in the united states.

he is our chief law enforcement officer. nobody would or should contingently sit back and watch the rioting and violence that has unfolded across this country, so he is going to use what is in his federal power to look at ways to prosecute these people. the travel act. if you are crossing state lines to come commit violence, that is a potential federal crime. you are converting state crimes into federal crimes. he's going to surely be looking at antifa, and putting together a case that is a racketeering organization, and it opens up a pandora's box of potential federal charges that carry decades in the wh hoosegow. >> melissa: the reason he saying this is he's trying to get ahead of what we all fear is coming next. that, when we have this election, we will then see, because it feels like if we are not shocked by the idea of 570

violent, you know, fiery riots in 220 locations, if we are not shocked by that, we are certainly going to see at least that kind of a reaction to the election since, if we are not shocked, it means it has become kind of normal to have 570 riots across this country. if that's normal, we can certainly expect that for the election. and he is saying, "no, not on my watch. this must end." your thoughts? >> harris: i'm not sure where the question was there, but i'll give it this answer is the best stab where i think it should be. the question isn't whether or not 570 is a big number, the question is whether 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, and so on big numbers paid the answer is yes when you're talking about american cities and livelihoods and lives. and making the country heal, helping the country healed. we have gotten to a point now where we are almost anesthetized by counting the numbers.

the basement account is 47 today, that's a number of days until the election. that's when people will decide where their tipping point was. i would pray that our tipping point isn't so north of 500. i would pray that our tipping point should have been several hundred ago, and what could we have done to keep from getting to this point? what i won't do is prognosticate about what's going to happen across the election, because some folks are just suggestive, and i don't want to be part of a dialog that says to people, "oh, it could get worse after the election." what i want to know is who's going to get off their butts today in leadership, wherever that leadership is, and is ag barr going to have people following him on the case to say, "you know what? enough is enough. let's settle this now and make it better now, before 571. let's not wait until election day or post. let's be --" >> melissa: yeah.

okay, i don't know if you are still talking, because someone just cut into my ear, but it's beeto juan, let me ask you. my question to harris was, doesn't make make sense for bill barr, it doesn't make sense for him to try to get in front of that ahead of the election? do you think that makes sense for him to do, by getting out there and talking about it now? or what else should we do? >> juan: i think, clearly, people in localities, especially if a locality has an experience with the spike in crime, and we've seen that in so many cities, particularly with gun shootings, fatalities, i think we have to -- law enforcement is a local issue, basically. bill barr is the chief national law enforcement officer as attorney general, and i'm just -- he is politicizing that office. to so many, it looks like he got involved with the roger stone case, he got involved with the michael flynn case, now he is saying his own prosecutors -- he

is putting down federal prosecutors as people who are seeking glory by charging some people who he sees as political. >> dagen: gun crimes are federal crimes. gun crimes are federal crimes. >> juan: i'm just saying, why is the attorney general making so many political statements, undermining the department of justice? it reminds me of, you know, yesterday, president trump going after the cdc director. or you think about some of these efforts to undermine the fbi. all of a sudden, law enforcement has become highly politicized by top officials. i don't think that's a good thing for our country. >> dagen: should he sit back and that the cds burn for political gain? that's not an alternative in a democracy. be sick i don't see any cities burning at the moment. i don't see any cities burning, digging. >> melissa: i don't know, 570 -- we are going to leave it there. 570 places where there were as burning. the reason you would get involved, as dagen said, it's a federal crime to cross the state

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>> the officer had told my constituents they would not be enforcing property crimes. people don't understand. >> what people want to know is mpd's response. they want to know what you're doing with your $185 million budget. >> i know it's not only the police department, but that's who people are looking to right now. >> harris: minneapolis city council members sounding the alarm about rising crime, just months after unanimously voting to defund the police department. council members pressing the police chief about the reported uptick in shootings, assaults, daylight carjacking, and street racing. the police chief promises to take action. >> we need to ensure and make

sure that our communities know that we are going to be there, we are going to be responsive. we've taken an oath to do that. >> harris: minneapolis police chief arredondo they are being tasked with so much. moving forward with a whole lot less. you defund the police and you call 911 in a can you fix this rise in crime? >> kennedy: that was the minneapolis city council, that was the most aggressive stance we've seen in the city, in the country, rather, right up there with seattle. my thought would be to pick a side. either defund the defund the police and find new ways of combating domestic violence, mental illness, 911 calls, and various other issues that arise in a major city like minneapolis, or reform the police department you've got. this is the message i would give to seattle and portland, as well. learn how to work with your police department. learn how to work with them.

learn how to reform the department together. sit down and talk to police officers. for the city council members, i think one of the best things you can do to really understand is go on a ride along with your police department and see the interactions that they have. start from there instead of just making them the enemy. what's going to happen and a lot of the cities, you're going to have more police with no reform. he will have cut off your nose to spite your face, and nothing is going to smell good. >> harris: you know, juan, what's really confusing to all of this, politicians try to get their demands are walking orders from the streets. i'm wondering how many of the protesters have thoughtfully done some of the things kennedy just suggested. do a ride along, sit down with police at your local precinct, make it local, as they are always telling us to do. my next layer of that would be, how many of them have thought

about "i'm also going to vote?" i know that matters, too, in terms of taking action as a protester. why would you take your marching orders from the street, unless you knew it came with next steps and action and thoughtfulness in that way? we can even find a cohesive person to talk to on camera that represents the bulk of those peaceful protesters. >> juan: i think you can find some of the minneapolis city council. i think that's why the counsel responded as they did, harris. >> dagen: it's september. >> juan: right. well, this is september. what i'm saying -- >> harris: it's been months, they have months to get it together. anyway, go ahead. >> juan: right, okay. when you have a police officer kneeling on george floyd's neck for close to 9 minutes and killing him, i think you understand why people had such a strong reaction, and we've seen reaction to similar cases of

police brutality and excessive use of force around the country. you know what? i think this is not a call, really, about defunding the police. the mayor of minneapolis, jacob frey, he was strong enough to stand in the middle people, in the street, who were demanding at the time to defund the police and say, "that's not happening. it's not going to happen here. we need is police reform." he's been working with the police commissioner arrandondo to bring about real reform that can improve community trust and effective policing. that's what you heard from that city councilman we are to ask, "what are you doing?" with a very large budget at the moment. if we people, constituents, saying, "we are not getting quick, effective response from the police." there's a need to make that response effective and trustworthy. >> harris: you know, juan, while you were talking, our team popped up the mayor. a member of the day he went down and did the thing you said you were supposed to do? you go down there with your

bullhorn. remember when he got booed? had to pull him out of there. i mean, he tried. again, the street giving him marching orders that maybe were not -- all i'm suggesting is that just need to be researched and thoughtful. not just coming from a place of emotion. it was cooking so hot and it seems to still be, why maybe the city council is reacting. this just happened, and i want to bring this into the conversation. we have just learned that the justice department was looking, or had looked into possible charges against local officials in portland, oregon, after violent clashes with federal law enforcement officers erupted in the city. a spokesperson at the doj is not confirming for fox news whether the charges will ultimately be brought. being looked at. dagen, your reaction? >> dagen: i think you've got a justice department -- it goes back to what i was saying earlier -- about bill barr, the

top cop in the united states, will look at every avenue's federal laws were broken. i just want to point out the narratives that we've listened to on this program over and over and over again, when the federal government sent in federal officers to protect the courthouse in portland. that was blamed. president trump was blamed for the unrest input, portland. they stood back, stepped off, the violence continued. i don't know what it takes, but the people of portland deserve better than what they've got. >> harris: melissa, it seems like people look at this and see something differently. you know, we look at the violence in the streets and it is violence in the streets. there are criminals who are doing things that deserve accountability and adjudication. some people look at that and they see it as the freedom to express, vent, to rant. why do we see it so differently? >> melissa: actually think there's a way to synthesize it

altogether, and it works and the answers everyone has given in this segment. when there is something almost everybody would agree is really outrageous, like pouring quick dry cement into the locks of the federal building or a police station and trying to burn those workers alive inside, that there needs to be some sort of real accountability and punishment so that kind of thing doesn't happen again. at the same time, i think the vast majority of people, as juan said and as kennedy said, want to see some sort of reform. that that would be the most productive way forward. some of the best things we've heard on this show is the idea that, whether you have celebrities or you have athletes or whoever it is, rather than protesting or kneeling or tweeting or doing whatever it is, you could come together in your local police department, bring your local police together with that community that feels disenfranchised, and be the bridge maker. bring that together to talk and

talk about real reforms. when people meet face-to-face and talk about solutions, that's when they see progress and we can see reform. the people in the best position to do that are those leaders. people in high-profile, the professional athletes, the football players, the celebrities that are trying to get involved. that would be a way to do what everyone in this segment has been saying, i think. >> harris: important, though, when you are collecting the people you need at the table, as well, who represents the citizens in the streets. you have to do it before 3:00 in the morning. they need to be available for these events in the daytime. again, dr. king didn't march at night. we'll move on. president trump countering his own experts on how soon a covid vaccine could be ready for distribution. what the cdc director says under oath yesterday that led to the president publicly refuting him. >> i got the impression he didn't realize he said what he

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>> melissa: now for some top headlines we are following. the senate homeland security committee authorizing subpoenas for several former obama officials, including john brennan, james clapper, and james comey. as part of the investigation into the origin of the russia probe. it is now up to chairman ron johnson to decide if he will call on any of those individuals to testify. recovery efforts are underway in alabama and florida, one day after hurricane sally caused widespread flooding along the gulf coast. the national hurricane center warns the storm's remnants could bring flooding to georgia and the carolinas, as well. looters are now targeting wild fire evacuation zon a president trump pushing back on his own cdc director on the rollout of the covid-19 vaccine. yesterday dr. robert redfield told senate lawmakers that a vaccine likely will be ready before november or december. the president has a news conference said redfield had it wrong. >> i think he made a mistake when he said that. it's incorrect information. i think he got the message maybe confused. it could be sometime in october or november. i don't think it's going to be much later than that. under no circumstance will it be as late as the doctor said.

>> melissa: meanwhile, democratic nominee joe biden yesterday raised concerns the president was putting politics ahead of public safety. listen. >> i trust vaccines, i trust the scientists, but i don't trust donald trump. at this moment, the american people can't, either. this administration is going to have to answer to assure the american people that politics won't play a role whatsoever in the vaccine process. >> melissa: a lot to pull apart there. kennedy, i will start with you. by asking that question that w way, does he risk throwing whatever vaccine comes out into question by saying the american people couldn't trust president trump? does he risk having few people get vaccinated? >> kennedy: he could be selling long-term doubt.

if you look at companies like glaxosmithkline, astrazeneca, moderna, johnson & johnson, all the other companies working tirelessly on a vaccine, who do you think is developing these vaccines? doctors, researchers, biologis biologists, scientists, the very people that joe biden claims to trust. those are the ones working very hard on it, and they are making sure that not only will there be a vaccine that will be available to 100 million people as soon a one is given the green light, they want to make sure that it is completely safe. the bottom line, the personal reputations are all at stake. of course they are going to develop something, because their long-term health and progress is as important as americans who are vaccinated. would be surprised.

he and kamala harris, with the exact same product and the same result would all of a sudden say, "it's totally trustworthy, this is amazing," if they win the election. it's utter hypocrisy. >> melissa: juan, what do you think? >> juan: i think you've got politicians responding to existing sentiment among americans. there was the kaiser family foundation poll done the same close to two-thirds, 62% of all americans, worry that the food and drug administration is rushing this vaccine process, and they think -- 62% think they are risking public health, because we don't know if the vaccine will be safe. the thing is that you get the president and then taking on dr. redfield in such a public manner, it looks like he is applying pressure to redfield.

or you get the hhs spokesperson, michael caputo, the everyday saying, "it looks like there's a deep state within the center for disease control that doesn't want a vaccine, it wants people to stay sick through the election to hurt president trump." it's all been politicized. when you get that much politics involved, there's a lot of people who think, "hey, i don't want anybody sticking something in me because of somebody's politics. i want to know that it's safe." >> melissa: yeah. dagen, what juan says makes a lot of sense. you know, i would also say, why are we in this game where we are trying to pin down the forecast of when the vaccine will be here? it doesn't make it come any faster. it's going to be here when it's here and ready when it's ready, when we are fighting in government about whether it's three months away, four months away, one month away. what difference does it make when the forecast is? it matters when it shows up, doesn't it? >> dagen: that's why they should listen to the actual companies producing the

vaccines. to juan's point, that's why the biden administration, because there is concern about vaccines in general, the biden campaign needs to come out and say, "you should take it," and stop the fearmongering. so anti-trump, they are antiscience. and they are potentially putting people's lives at risk. killing people. if you somehow convince them as a political candidate, as a presidential candidate, that they shouldn't take a vaccine because it happened when trump was still in office, listen to pfizer. increase the size of its phase e united states to 43,000 people. it includes people now with hepatitis a, other forms of hepatitis, also hiv. they could present that information. it could be ready for approval in front of the fda by october. there is an independent data advisory board for every vaccine trial. yeah, it's going to take a while. you have to have an ultracold

chain to deliver this virus. there is so much to be worked out. listen to the people making the virus rather than these politicians who want to scare the living hell out of everybody. potentially killing people if they won't take the vaccines. >> melissa: harris? >> harris: you know, the cdc is not supposed to be political. when the director says, second or third quarter of next year, i'm hopeful he is talking with those very same companies that put out that letter, dagen, just a week ago, saying, "we are not going to let politics get involved, we won't take shortcuts, we will do all the right things." i agree with juan, with operatives we need to have a public discussion of where the politics and the people on the ground dealing with the science are conflicting. all the american people need to know right now, fo from all thee politicians, is about the injection. but it's the flu shot. if you watch the nih, the cdc, the top scientists around the

world are agreeing that flu season, where it hits, is going to be problematic. we know in the united states that's coming about mid-to-late october. the flu shot then can piggyback and make you weaker for covid-19. piggyback in the sense that covid-19 is already out there, so you are kind of in the mix. you want to be covered for one of them. dr. oz was on my program with that yesterday. go back and read those documents from those agencies that are tasked with keeping us safe this fall. melissa is right. it's like being pregnant. have you ever tried to tell the baby what to do? no! the baby is coming when the baby's coming! and we are all going to have to support each other when it gets here. tuskegee airmen, their reasons for people of color not to trust vaccines. it's not helpful for people like kamala harris to talk about how she's not going to get it. i'll end there because we are running out of time. >> melissa: amen on all of that, harris.

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the 6-year-old amazing daytime ride known as "outnumbered," i especially want to rock 'n' roll with every voice and perspective at the table. we don't censor on this show, and that's why we are winning weekdays at noon. >> our biggest threat to this election is governors from opposing parties controlling ballots, millions of ballots. to me it's a much bigger threat than foreign countries, because much of the stuff turns t out to be untrue. spewing president trump renewing his attacks on mail-in voting, arguing that it poses a bigger threat to the election than foreign interference. this sparks expansions of mail-in voting largely in blue states. at the same time, a new report shows democrats are now trying to reassure voters that in person voting is safe, reflecting and anxiety about the president's continued attacks on

voting by mail and postal service delays. also, this. election officials in north carolina see a mixup in sending the first absentee ballots called some voters to receive two identical ballots for the november general election. they say fewer than 500 voters were affected, and that duplicate voting would be impossible since each mailing label has a bar code. kennedy, i come to you on this and get your reaction. >> kennedy: i'm very dubious that one party really wants mail-in voting and the other really doesn't. i will say what i've said in the past. if you are worried about your health, if you are immunocompromised, if you have any comorbidities, if you are a golden american, then get your absentee ballot now. just make sure you can vote. democrats are realizing it's not going to have this big national mail-in program that they were hoping for, and we have this

whole thing about vilifying the post office, idealizing the post office, all that was wrong, and now democrats are starting to panic because people are worried about how they're going to vote, so they have to go back and say, "no, it is safe to vote in person." if you were going to vote in person, you are probably fine to go vote in person. if you were going to have an absentee ballot, go in and do that. everybody calm down. >> harris: juan? >> juan: i like that. i think people should try to go out and vote. obviously, though, with the pandemic, there are a lot of people who are concerned about that. especially if they are going to be long lines, and everybody anticipate there's going to be a lot of crush, if you will, harris, at the polling places this november. tremendous interest in the election. i worry about the statements coming from the president and bill barr, suggesting, again, that there is no reason to have confidence in our election, or

that there's going to be widespread fraud and we can't trust mail-in voting. we have mail-in voting in this country right now. president trump himself mail-in votes. we have statements by republicans, where mail-in voting has been going on for years with minimal fraud. it's disturbing. it's almost as if he is saying if he doesn't win, don't trust the results. i think that is a very ruinous message for us as members of a democracy that relies on voters going and knowing they can have faith that their vote will be counted. and they should. >> harris: melissa? >> melissa: i think we are all very concerned about this election, about every vote counting the way that it should. i asked for my absentee ballot a while ago. it hasn't come yet. we will keep you posted. i think about, for a lot of people, they feel like they need to go vote in person. i would just say i don't really understand what the danger is. we can go to the grocery store,

we can do these other things. if you really feel like you want to vote in person, you can wear a mask they tell you. you can put on gloves. you can go first thing in the morning. there are different things that, if you really feel like you need to go in person, and you don't get your absentee ballot, you can go and cover yourself. i would think, be safe. everyone is getting a little hysterical about this, and they understand why, because it's a big election, but let's calm down and be logical and vote. >> harris: you know, melissa, what you say is so true, though, in terms of that in person. many states are opening up the indoor dining. we are starting to see a lot of things open up, and we are taking precautions. couldn't we do that same thing no matter what our choices are? i am still in favor of trying mark meadows, the chief of staff, his idea. can we do some curbside as well? augment it so when you show up to this polling places you have

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>> melissa: both presidential candidates hitting the campaign trail today in battleground states. president trump heading to wisconsin oil joe biden stumps in pennsylvania. this comes as "the new york post" reports the president has fielded nearly 900 more questions from reporters over the last two months then biden has. but it's five times more. meantime, democrats reportedly growing increasingly concerned with former vp's guarded approach to campaigning. there worry, that biden's team is relying too much on digital outreach and zoom calls. while the president crisscross the country hosting packed rallies, and his campaign knocks on millions of doors. when democratic county chairman in pennsylvania saying, "it feels like asymmetric warfare." dagen, let me start with you. do you think that's a strategy

that was good for biden in the time of heightened covid fear works? but now as we are seeing a little bit of a receipting in the infection rate and the hospitalization rate and the death rate, that perhaps there is more pressure on him to get out? >> dagen: get out and stop being locked on the teleprompter. here's my message to joe biden. let her rip. let your freaks out. you've got bats in the belfry, let them fry , fly, fly. how bad can it be? trump is a one-man band of belly flopping and riffing and spit bawling. he says off the ball things all day long every day. what is the concern that joe biden unleashed is worse than trump? is that the message you want to spend to the american people connect let it go, joe. let's see it.

>> melissa: juan, maybe it's that he has positioned his whole candidacy is the more superior of the president, that he's going to restore the soul of america. if you get out there and see the wrong thing, it sort of undermines your reason for being and you look more like the other guy. >> juan: that's a good point. to my mind, just looking at the two candidates, we all have to remember that being the president of the united states is a tremendous advantage. you have air force one to get you around. you can, in fact, hold rallies, basically, but say it's a presidential event, you can override the governor of nevada if he says, "i don't think this is a safe event." that's the president, and that's the presidency. the power of the presidency. i don't think the biden campaign is worried about him being nutty or something like that. that's an invention by his critics, his opponents. but i think there are people who

are concerned that he has to be more aggressive, that they just want to see him out there. i think we saw that this week when he went down to florida and made a big push with the latinos come over he is clearly underperforming as compared to hillary clinton in 2016. he has been out. yesterday he had that event about the vaccine, and of course the president responded. i think that we are going to see that. i agree, though, the president has been out there. sometimes, like that abc town hall this week, he just didn't have a good showing. i don't think that's the reason for biden to hesitate. >> melissa: okay. we'll give kennedy the last word on the other side. hold on. more "outnumbered" in just a second. len to 50-year lows. but did you know that your va benefit lets you easily refinance to a lower rate? one call to newday can save you $3000 a year. with newday's va streamline refi there's no income verification, no home appraisal, and no out of pocket costs. it's the quickest and easiest refi they've ever offered.

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>> melissa: kennedy, what's your last word? >> kennedy: take more questions. there's no harm in it. every single day. going to questions. you want to be the leader of the free world, dagen is absolutely right. let your freak flag fly,

mr. vice president. [laughter] and he is not. >> melissa: and don't use prompt her to answer them. i love it. thanks everyone on the virtual couch. now, here's harris. ♪ >> harris: president trump is pushing back hard today against the cdc director's timeline on a covid-19 vaccine as he is set to travel to three swing states in three days, where this has become a major campaign issue. "outnumbered overtime" now. i'm harris faulkner. the president's comments come after testimony from cdc director dr. robert redfield telling lawmakers it could be nearly a year before a vaccine may be ready to be widely distributed in america. redfield spoke at a senate panel hearing yesterday on the covid-19 response. >> if you're asking me what it's going to be generally available to the american public, so we can begin to take