happening for a while. black rock, the asset manager is saying they can envision never being back to 100%. deutsche bank telling the new york staff, take your time getting back. you can wait another year. nobody knows. here we go. now "the five." >> juan: hello, everyone. i'm juan willin' with dana perino, emily compagno, jesse waters and greg gutfeld. this is "the five." the fight for the white house playing out in must-win battleground states today. president trump heading to wisconsin for what looks to be a big rally. joe biden is trying to win over voters in pennsylvania. lately the democratic nominee has been courting americans in the middle politically telling them he's a moderate. progressives in the party want

biden to be more liberal. bernie sanders warning biden that he has to do more to excite progressives. alexandria ocasio-cortez saying this. >> overall, if we can push joe biden across policy issues. foreign policy, immigration is another one, criminal justice is another area where we can pursue a lot of progressive direction. there's some areas that we fundamentally disagree. that's okay. >> juan: as election day nears, some democrats are having deja vu. biden supporters say the campaign is visible in that state. politco say they fear the dems governor is becoming a liability for biden after his response to inrest in kenosha, aoc, michael

moore, they want all biden to stir populous energy. but wouldn't he lose the support of those wanting to beat donald trump? >> jesse: he will do whatever they want him to do. election is funny. stark choices. president trump is someone that cannot be controlled. he's out of control. that's what drives so many people crazy. his advisers can't control him, his lawyers can't control him. the deep state tried to control him. he doesn't do what people tell him to do. he marches to the beat of his own drum. contrast that with joe biden. joe biden is totally controlled. be he has his advisingers putting scripts in his teleprompt teleprompter. his v.p. controls him. it's the harris-biden

administration. he will do whatever barack obama tells him to do. so it's basically like someone who can't be controlled versus someone that is totally controlled. a leader versus a follower. if you look at joe biden's policies, he's gone far left on immigration, guns, taxes and the climate. and now aoc is saying he's going to get pushed around on foreign policy. where, exactly? donald trump killed terrorists, brought our troops home. where does aoc want to push him? it's basically another change election. donald trump remains the agent of change and biden wants to go back to the failed radical policies that got us into the mess in the first place. dan scavino said something interesting at the rnc. they say it's chaos. but president trump calls it change. that's what is going on here. he's forged new paths for trade, for immigration and for foreign policy. there's a lot of resistance to

that change in the country, in the democratic party and within the administrative state. so there's that clash. the people behind donald trump want that change. they're fighting for something. it's a movement. that's why they're so much more enthusiastic than joe biden supporters. >> juan: dana, to jesse's point, biden made it clear he doesn't support defund the police, he doesn't support the green new deal, he doesn't support medicare for all. i was thinking, if he did support these things, wouldn't it make him an easier target for donald trump's claims that he's a socialist or, you know, trump has a new ad about biden being weak on china? wouldn't that open the gate to the trump attack? >> dana: jesse makes a lot of good points. i believe that aoc is a little more of a good -- probably a better strategist than people give her credit for.

what she just did there is to subtly re-assure people in her wing of the camp, that don't worry, everything will be fine. that leaves biden and kamala harris and everybody out there saying other things, especially in pennsylvania. i think that joe biden comes ace pushed around, partly because he's not very forceful. he's not informationful when he talks about the positions he would take. when he does try to be forceful, he almost sounds angry. so i think when you look to the debate, which will be -- it's less than -- it's ten days away. it's one of the things president trump can do is to get biden to rea react angrily. that will be a point in president trump's favor in that debate. something that biden does, he will say i can't be pushed around. but you say you're going to support this. some of the budgets he's supporting are in line with more progressive thinking. it reminds me of one other

thing. i worked for a congressman in 1995. remember the republican's sweep not only congress but across the country in 1994. in 1995, the congressman i worked for had been there about 12 years. all of a sudden they called him a moderate. he came to my desk. he wanted a correction. he said how did i become a moderate? i'm a conservative. i say it's because when other people came in, they said they were more conservative than you. so everything moves along. for biden, he is more progressive than he was even five years ago. >> juan: greg, i'm thinking about recent political history. obviously lots of democrats were moderates that won in 2018 in the mid-terms. and when i think about bernie sanders, i think gee, he lost a nomination battle twice because most democrats are either moderates or conservatives. so why should biden listen to

aoc or bernie at this late date? >> well, because bernie was exciting. people wanted to vote for him. no one really wants to vote for joe biden. they just don't want to vote for trump. those are the people that are supporting biden, right? they just don't want to vote for trump. so joe has to do more to excite the progressives. but what more could they want? do you want to have more riots, more looting, more arson, less police? you want to bail out more rapists and murderers, tear down more statues, elevate more criminals. destroy the classroom with critical race series, ban more speech, cancel more careers, accuse more people of racism in america of oppression? take all the fun out of sports? destroy biology and gender, obliterate pronouns? the last 30 years, progressives have gotten a hell of a lot.

so why give them more? you like my shirt? >> juan: okay. that was interesting. yeah, i was going to ask you about this. did you make that shirt or did lou give it to you? >> greg: he left it at my apartment. >> juan: oh, my gosh. that reminds me of a joke. but i won't tell it. emily, i'm thinking to myself that president obama recently said democrats should not form a circular firing squad. seems to me like when you have bernie sanders, alexandria ocasio-cortez going after the nominee, joe biden, it looks like that circular firing squad is taking shape. that's interesting. i think of them as the voltari pushing him along in the vessel that he is. he's changed from his days of

the obama administration but he's like the emperor's new clothes in that he keeps using long-term memory despite talking points from that era. his actual policies that he's putting forth shows a, the suck second of that and b shows that he's undercutting the people in the industries that he's professing to support. so two examples. bio fuels and fracking. with bio fuels, he claims that he's a stronger supporter of iowa farmers than the president. but he supports boosting electric vehicles. that would decimate corn and ethanol production out of iowa and eliminate natural and electric fuels. or natural fuels industry. so i see that as having a devastating effect on the small farm family-owned farms in iowa. fracking, we know he let it slip in that debate with bernie that he was against it. he flew to pittsburgh to assure the voters i didn't mean it. his policy is power generation,

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forth. >> i trust vaccines. i trust scientists. i don't trust donald trump. at this moment, the american people can't either. >> i'm calling on biden to stop promoting his anti-vaccine theories. all they're doing is hurting the importance of what we're doing. they're recklessly endangering lives. you can't do that. >> dana: president trump pointing a finger at flu states over how they handle the pandemic. >> we're down in this territory. that's despite the fact that the blue states had tremendous death rates. if you take the blue states out, we're at a level that i don't think anybody in the world would be at. >> dana: juan, let's start with you. i can imagine that you thought that was not a good thing yesterday, that the president did at the press conference. >> juan: no, i don't think we

need to politicize what is the national problem with the coronavirus. even if you were to break it down and some people didn't in term of blue state, red state, it's not as if the red states don't have a share of the problems. two of the top five states in terms of infection rates and deaths are in fact red states. >> jesse: that's not true. >> juan: i think the president is having a very difficult week. i think he had trouble with that town hall where he was asked about masks. he said some people don't think they work. the scientists say they're very effective. he said waiters told him. he upplayed the virus when we all know that we can hear him on tape saying that he down played the virus. then you get into a situation, dana, where he undercut his own cdc director, robert redfield after he had testimony before the senate and he said really the earliest we're going to have masks, doses of the vaccine

available is the last half of 2021. sounds like he's putting political pressure on a doctor. and i think that is why people -- it's like 62% of americans say they worry that all of this politicization will rush the vaccine out to the marketplace before it's safe. >> dana: public health communication, greg, needs to be very clear. it hasn't been clear for months. i mean, i know they get more information, they provide the information. we know about masks. told not to wear them. we didn't need them. now we're told they're very important. i would wear a mask if i'm indoors at an event. how do you see the science community trying to keep up with this in the middle of an election? >> greg: i think that you have to take biden to task. if you -- suggesting that

somebody would put out an unsafe vaccine, it's not about trump. he's not making the vaccine, right? you're actually going after the science and the scientists. that's pretty harsh stuff. what you're doing is planting a seed that it's entirely possible that scientists would put out an unsafe vaccine. it's not trump -- he's not putting it out there. it's idiotic to sake. but biden said yesterday if donald trump is doing such a bad job with covid, why did joe have to go to such great lengths to manufacture problems that don't exist? what was he talking about yesterday? he says we don't want to politicize the vaccine. nobody is doing that. he wants vaccine transparency. what does that even mean? right? he's worried about favoritism. okay. he wants vaccine equity. this is all like this weird jibberish created in a focus group with his -- or with his

campaign handlers. then he mentioned that trump said he would inject bleach that is a hoax. and he said i'm going to have the governors come to the white house. how idiotic is that? they have zoom now. he did talk to the governors. he said we're going to make sure that everybody has availability to the vaccines. why hasn't anybody thought of that? but i don't blame joe for using this as an opportunity because he doesn't have much left. he backed the wrong horse. the blm fiasco, these are democrat riots. these are the biden brawls. so he's got to deflect. also, he's kind of lucky. you can't prove that you were going to do a better job on covid because there's no parallel universe. so you don't have to prove it. all you have are opinions untethered to facts. it's beholden on us to remind everybody what joe has been saying or not been saying for

years. >> dana: emily, your thoughts. >> emily: i don't understand why we're faulting the president for being aspirational. it's part of the job. it president kennedy's we'll land on the moon in this decade or president obama's cancer shot. and he's encouraging scientists to make a safe effective vaccine. it's in everyone's best interest and it's political in itself. >> dana: jesse, final word. >> jesse: well, i just want everybody to remember what juan just said. i don't want to politicize coronavirus. i'm going to hold you to that, juan williams for the rest of the year. thank god you said that. i want to call attention to an op-ed in the "new york post." it was so good, i didn't steal the credit. i gave her a shot out on the air. this is good stuff. this is what she calls attention

to. biden's adviser, zeke emanuel. he said i don't want to do what trump is doing by giving vaccines to the elderly and at risk people first. they're going to die soon anyway. let's give it to young people instead. it's basically the death panels all over again. she makes an interesting point about biden and these people doubting the vaccine speed, warp speed. the reason we got warp speed delivered so quickly is because congress passed legislation in the tail end of the catastrophe, which was the biden-obama response to the swine flu where 60,000 americans were tested. what they did, you now assess the trial results as they come in instead of waiting for the end to assess them then.

so that really like doubles and triples the amount of time you get to then assess these vaccines. that's why it's called operation warp speed. one more thing. i've been looking at all the states. all 50 states on the trends, every single state in the united states is seeing a decline in the amount of deaths. you can nitpick. there's a few states like nebraska that have like six deaths one day and eight deaths the next. it's sad but it's statistically insignificant. the fact that all 50 states see a decline in deaths have a huge testament to how well we've done so far. >> dana: all right. that's the article in the "new york post"? you've been reading a lot, jesse. >> jesse: only the post. only the "new york post." >> dana: all right. ahead, attorney general bill barr a skating rebuke of lawlessness in america. .

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after they voted to defund the police. emily? >> emily: i'll start with seattle. pundits said would be chilling for the feds to prosecute local officials because it would be based on that think didn't like the decisions that they made. there's nothing further from that truth. dereliction of duty or failure of duty is not a preference dispute. the major sent out the tweet and saying this is chilling, this is an abuse of power by the trump administration and his using the a.g., the attorney general, as his lap dog. she said but it's not about me. the story is not about me. it's about the president, the a.g. as a seattle resident, i want to say it's not about them either, sister. it's about us. the residents. we're the ones that in addition to paying taxes and paying her salary, we're the ones that surrender safety and security and in a lot of senses livelihoods and our law

enforcement for them to make their point. so for me, i'm always about this. as an attorney, be careful not to overcharge. i know that the doj is considering civil charges and in the manner of portland, that would be more effective rather than creating a firestorm and badge of honor that mayor would wear. >> tell it, sister. juan williams, what do you think about what bill barr said? >> juan: jesse, i have a sense of regret or sadness. bill barr is making a lot of political statements these days. he says, oh, my gosh, if trump loses, the country goes socialist. if trump wins, it's potential for riots. sounds like mess all of a sudden a political pundit. should get him on "the five." i don't know why he feels -- by the way, you know, just -- i don't share emily's view about apparently the idea of threats against a local official.

a local official should be responsive to local constituents who -- if they feel she's failed them, okay. but to go after the president's critics and the major has been a critic, now the mayor in portland. they explored if there should be charges there. and to say to -- this is the thing that gets me. even his own prosecutors in the justice department, he said you guys have been too easy on the protesters and suggesting that they should use the charge of sadition. so this is a guy that got involved with the roger stone case, got involved with the michael flynn case and now he's -- the whole idea of equal justice under law, it's all about partisan politics. under the color of law. that's not good for america. >> jesse: right. he wasn't nearly as partisan as eric holder was. bill barr is welcome on "the five" any time. i want to make sure he knows that.

dana, what are your thoughts hahn this kerfuffle? >> dana: well, i think that emily makes a good point about the difficulties of overcharging. by overcharging, remember the government has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. and sadition might be hard to prove. that's why they haven't done that. just basically trying to make a point. but i think there are some good ideas. own andy mccarthy put them forward about using the rico laws in order to see about the coordination and stop this in terms of specially fund-raising. i notice that in minneapolis today -- i'm sorry, in wisconsin today, we had a reporter there that was basically showing hillary vaughn that a lot of those businesses that were riots, looted, that it's still not cleaned up. so i imagine that if you do live in that area, you would want -- you'd be more responsive to a law and order message than you might have been before the

summer started. >> jesse: greg, wrap us up. >> greg: i really admire barr. what he is saying shows that he understands what americans think about what is going on in this country. they are i.e. rioters, thugs, arsonists, losers, are being treated far too lightly. they get arrested and immediately released. they get their bail taken care of by organizations that kamala harris tweets about. racist and murders? damn straight, we need adults here. he's an adult that understands the concept of disincentives. if you have disincentives, people won't engage in these practices. like the judge that did the million dollar bail on the sorority girl. she went from capita delta to sigma klink. suddenly people go oh, we're not going to riot in lancaster because we're going to go to jail and there's going to be a huge bail. so i think that like the problem here and it's a problem that you

see every day, people in the media, politicians are so far removed from crime, that they don't think cops really need to exist except when they need their private security. it's the same thing with arson. nobody is covering arson because it's not in their town. arson smarson. so at least barr, who is up there, probably lives in a nice neighborhood, actually knows how people feel about this. it ain't good. >> jesse: i partied with some of those sigma klink girls in college. they're crazy. next up, comedian chris rock calls out democrats for botching the coronavirus. hear what he said next on "the five." ♪ our retirement plan with voya gives us confidence... ...we can spend a bit now, knowing we're prepared for the future. surprise! we renovated the guest room,

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>> emily: welcome back. comedian chris rock hitting democrats for being more focused on impeaching president trump than the coronavirus. he said it's all the democrats' fault and telling "the new york times" it's totally up to pelosi and the democrats. their thing is we're going to get him impeached, which was never going to happen. yes, we can blame trump but his the 5-year-old. juan, i'd like to start with you and see that the democrats created the ball that america had its eye on while a more real ball was being dropped elsewhere. >> juan: wow. the joke is on us all. i love chris rock. i'm open ears. he is saying wow, you know what? democrats, you should have reigned in the 5-year-old. he says that trump is like the 5-year-old in the last emperor, a movie that he starred in.

he said the adults in the room, the democrats, they should have done something with it. i don't know who comes out good in that, but i think all of us should feel like hey, chris rock, he skewered everyone in the room. >> greg: he didn't skewer me or anybody saying this for six month. obviously chris rock watches "the five." that's what we said. there was that senate hearing. dana said there's a hearing going on on covid. but everybody is focusing on impeachment. i remember that. i think it was in february or january. we've always been saying that. remind me of voltari from twilight. hopefully more people will listen to chris rock and actually see that we were right all along. because clearly he's been

watching "the five." sorry. i had to interrupt. >> emily: dana, what are your thoughts on chris' further point that everybody knew what they were getting when they voted this man? that was his 5-year-old point. how does that relate to his larger messaging that the democrats have been the adults in the room, so they should shoulder the blame? >> dana: it's clear that chris rock watches "the five." greg has been saying since the beginning that everybody knew what they were getting when they voted for trump. we're so glad to know that he watches "the five." on january 24, the questions were due for impeachment. that was the day that basically there was a hearing on coronavirus. you remember that correctly. and at the time democrats said that republicans were using covid as a distraction against

impeachment. >> greg: yes! yes! >> emily: that's known as a zinger. jesse, your thoughts? >> jesse: i hate to see greg get cocky when chris rock agrees with him. i hate to -- makes me sick to my stomach. >> greg: it's the shirt. >> jesse: you should send chris that short. listen, the democrats in the house and in the senate were both briefed on coronavirus january 24 and january 30. we all know they knew how bad it was. they all dumped stocks. remember? 12 of them dumped stocks. did they talk about coronavirus? no. they talked about impeachment. none of them lifted a finger to help the president. it was cuomo that did the stuff in new york. schumer was nowhere to be found. nancy said come to chinatown and party. so i'm not going to blame the democrats. i'm going to blame china. >> emily: all right. don't go anywhere.

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>> greg: it's lou dobbs thursday. first up, if you're dreading daylight saving time, you're not alone, or its end. marco rubio and rick scott are proposing a bill to postpone it to november of 2021. what to you make it of, juan? >> juan: look, you know what? i like this idea. i'm going to say i like it even more than they do, greg. i think -- look, stick with stay light savings time, stick with standard time. stop the back and forth. one of the reasons they offer it, at the time of the coronavirus, just creating more stress for us all. it does that even in good times. >> greg: dana, what do you think? >> dana: well, as somebody that loves to go to bed very early, i always look forward to falling back because then you can go to bed at 9:00 and it feels like 10:00. nobody can blame you. only lasts a week though. i don't think they should do it for 2021. let's just do >> greg: yeah.

>> dana: forever. >> greg: i think we should move -- emily, we should move the time up by 12 hours, so add midnight, it would be as bright as lunch time and we're working, done by 6:00 a.m., can means we can all go home for breakfast. >> emily: that's like alaska. daylight all the time. i just have to say, this legislation reappears twice a year. i don't understand why it doesn't pass especially after learning that heart attacks spike around that time and strokes in the fall. it's obvious we need to cut it out. >> greg: and if we do do that, emily, we'll have more twilight. jesse? >> jesse: greg, time is just god's way from preventing everything from happening all at once. >> greg: i said that. >> jesse: no, that was me. i just said that. [laughter] >> greg: all right. next up, this is for you, juan. it's a bird, it's a plane, it's a drone in center feel.

the last night game between cleveland and chicago was delayeded seven minutes after a drone landed in the outfield. when i heard a drone landed in the outfield, i thought how did jesse get tickets to the game? >> jesse: if i want my game interrupted, i wanted interrupted by a streaker, not a drone. >> greg: that's true. that could be a naked drone, dana. is this a story worthy -- >> dana: i would tried some with sadition. get it over with. >> greg: emily, do you find this story is worthy of "the fastest seven?" >> emily: i hate drones. who really hates them, animals. they're party crashers. i always look into drone infiltration of prisons, which is a heavy pattern going on. >> greg: i didn't see that

corner being broached. juan, what are your thoughts? >> juan: you know, i take it -- i'm interested in what emily said about jails. i don't know what that is about. to me, this is -- >> greg: you don't? >> juan: this is a serious story. is that what it is? drugs? yes with the baseball thing, what if they have lasers. remember, we were worried about drones and airplanes in l.a. a week ago. what if they had a bomb on that drone? we've heard about drones and privacy. i think this is -- i think the law will have to catch up with the technology. because this is not good. >> greg: i agree. i agree. finally, is your pet looking for a hot date tonight? sounds perverted. a new app called pinder connects lonely animals with a potential furry mate. dana, this poses a problem for someone like me who identifies as a dog. if you were to allow me to enjoy

the company of jasper, that would be discrimination. >> dana: that would -- then i would be put in jail for being negligent and taking care of my dog. i would probably be charged with sedition. >> greg: yes. >> dana: this seems weird to me. go to the dog park. >> greg: you're obsessed with sedition. thoughts, emily? >> emily: the founder of this was like clearly we're taking the effective format of tinder and applying it to the pet community. that invoke add no thank you for this. as dana said, go to the dog park. >> greg: jesse, i hope there's no heavy petting in these states. >> jesse: i like how dana got a laugh off of the sedition joke and used it again in the next topic. i just wish i was smart enough to build an app where i could steal money from people's

phones. but alas, i'm a talking head. >> greg: juan, is this just a weird way to meet people with pets? it's not about the pets at all? >> juan: wait a second. that is genius. so it's like a guy that takes a dog to the park to meet girls? >> greg: yes, yes. >> juan: wow! i hadn't thought of this. i was worut the pets that were neutered. they would be disappointed. >> greg: there you go. i take girls to the park to meet dogs. that's what i identify as. one more thing is up next. >> dana: terrible. ♪ you are an american spy. the sentence... ...is death. we're getting out of here. infidel. rated r. to deliver your packages.

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wish our executive producer a very happy birthday, happy birthday megan. enough with the butt kissing from me -- what happens when a monkey steals your iphone? date taken selfies with it. this malaysian man got his iphone jacked by a monkey and the monkey took a bunch of selfies. i think this proves evolution, they are just like us. some of them we couldn't show because this is a family show. >> greg: let's do this. ♪ animals are great ♪ animals are great as you know i'm 100% against defunding the police they should get more money because if you defund you end up with something

like this, you have a police force made of guinea pigs and pugs. although they are adorable, they can't do much except arrest people for sedition. i think they are getting ready a little too soon for halloween and they don't look like they are enjoying this at all. there you go. nice hat. >> i hope i get that back next week. >> dana: we talk a lot about funny things but it's been a tough time, it's good to point out people doing helpful things, that's the dairy farmers of america. they have an initiative called dfa cares and that helps provide disaster relief through products and money to help communities in need to. to donate to their cause if

you're able to, you can also nominate local food banks near you to receive dairy products, it's important to try to get those food banks covered and in addition to the dairy products, the dairy farmers of america are providing refrigeration for some of these food banks that don't have enough of it. if you know someplace that needs more refrigeration, you can go to dfa milk.com, we want to thank them for helping out. >> juan: today's one more thing takes me back a little ways, my dad trained pro-fighters and some saturdays i got to tag along to the gym. take a look at this dad encouraging his son as they work out together. a crossfit coach tells his son and keep it up, do one more, and a good job as they exercise together at home during the coronavirus shutdown. chase knight wrote that exercise

is part of raising his son with the utmost love and that is his greatest goal in life. you are the greatest, way to go. >> emily: that's sweet. on 9/11, i had the honor of emceeing the tenth annual prayer breakfast for the tradition to start dreaming up foundations fund and the lineup was incredible. navy seal jason bettman, oklahoma city bombing firefighter chris shields, and more. it was a powerful, truly moving event. go to ptsdfoundation.org website, you can learn more about this amazing organization dedicated to veterans and first responders ptsd. >> jesse: no masks, unbelievable. >> emily: they were next to us the entire time, that was incredible. >> greg: did you work any

references to twilight into your speech? >> emily: everyone already know what i was talking about. >> greg: go back and watch the a block, she references some character to twilight. it >> juan: break it up, that's it for us tonight. special report is up next, hey bret baier. >> bret: i like twilight. good evening, welcome to washington. breaking tonight, president trump is taking election-year aim at what he calls a crusade against american history using toxic propaganda and ideological poison in his words. the president said during a history event this afternoon at the archives here in washington american school children are being indoctrinated in propaganda aimed at making them ashamed of their country. the president will leave the white house shortly for a campaign stop in wisconsin, will mike bring it to you here. john roberts starts us off

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