>> julie: that's going to do it for us. watch the white house, the president expected to speak in just about two hours from now, then heading to minnesota. it was great working with you, trace. >> trace: you, too, julie. we will carry that live. always great to see you. "outnumbered" starts in three seconds. >> harris: we begin here on this friday, the 2020 campaign heating up in the heartland. president trump and joe biden both are traveling to minnesota today, as early voting kicks off in that battleground state. today. the two candidates held dueling events in the swing states yesterday, giving a sort of preview of how a debate might play out. former vice president biden at a pennsylvania town hall calling the trump administration's response to the pandemic "irresponsible and close to criminal." here it is. >> you've got to level with the american people. shoot from the shoulder. there's never been a time they've not been able to step

up. this president should step down. >> harris: meanwhile, president trump was in wisconsin last night and said a covid-19 vaccine is coming, talking up the economic recovery. >> we will defeat the virus, and next year will be truly, i think, from an economic standpoint and from other standpoints, maybe the best year of all. hard to believe we are going so fast. the numbers have been incredible. we've had employment numbers the best ever. we have had retail sales numbers the best ever. you see them, they come out every day. >> harris: this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. townhall.com editor in fox news contributor, katie pavlich. syndicated radio host and fox news contributor, leslie marshall. joining us today in the center seat on the virtual couch, host of "bulls and bears" on fox business, davi david asman. i haven't seen you in a minute, wait to see you. >> david: been a while. thank you. >> harris: we are about to do some swing dancing through the

states, following these candidates. are you surprised that all of how this is taking shape? because joe biden is actually going to get out there. >> david: well, he is. and his rhetoric is getting harder. it is always tough to match up with donald trump's rhetoric. i mean, nobody hits harder than donald trump. the idea of mentioning criminal behavior on the part of the president, in terms of his actions with regard to covid, i think that is something going on here. i think what is happening is they are trying to throw a little shade on an investigation that is going on by senator ron johnson. the details of which are about to be released. some people say they are going to be quite spectacular. regarding the bam on my biden family and their dealings with ukraine, and their dealings with china, as well. of course, when joe biden was vice president, from 2014-2015, he was sort of in charge of the ukrainian policy. he brought his son, hunter, and

not a lot of those trips with him to ukraine, and they had some major dealings with a company called burisma that was terribly corrupt. there was also what was going on in china. all of this is coming up, so we are likely to hear from the ron johnson investigation, charges from the trump campaign about corruption and biden's family, with regard to ukraine. maybe this is an attempt to throw a little shade on charges that are coming, by reversing those charges against trump. i was surprised to hear the criminalized charge from joe biden, but i started thinking about it, particularly in light of what's going on with senator johnson's investigation. i think that might be what's going on here. >> harris: that's interesting. we have known that the investigation was coming. it's 46 days out from the election now. i agree, david, sometimes that's when things start to get a little chippy. >> david: [laughs] >> harris: right?

we will follow the news on that a visitation from senator johnson as it happens, contemporaneously. to leslie, it might be a mix of things. how about if we make this into the ingredients that joe biden and his team may be looking at? look, they have been reports this week, you heard from bernie sanders last week, a call for biden to engage. there are some reports of worries behind the scenes for democrats that he is not out there enough. i don't just mean the jokes about the basement, but if bernie sanders -- talking about certain issues that do matter to america. >> leslie: absolutely. look, as a democrat, i am concerned when i see numbers, even though it was one pole in the state of florida, i have said a all along he needs to get out more, especially in swing states. that would be even if we weren't in the midst -- even more so because we are in the midst of a pandemic. when you just look at what happened, as the book says, from hillary clinton, in 2016. i've got to speak to david's

point. david, i love you, but i absolutely couldn't disagree further. there's not that much thought going into that one word of "criminal." >> david: thought goes into everything joe biden says. thoughts from people other than joe biden. >> leslie: i don't agree. i think that's the mic what's happening is, what i have said all along, when people say "joe biden is going to be destroyed by donald trump in these debates," no. this is when joe biden gets tougher. by the way, he was very on point. i didn't see a cognitive decline. i thought he had a great bumper sticker in "scranton versus park avenue," and i think this is the way it's going to go. joe biden is going to hit him on his response to covid, because that is what many voters will hold a referendum on donald trump four in novembe november 2020. >> harris: there are fewer things i like better than seeing katie pavlich last. [laughter] she had a big old smile on her face. i want to know what's on your mind, katie. >> leslie: are you laughing at

me, katie? >> harris: she's just taking in the moment! what's on your mind, katie? >> katie: i'm just taking in the moment. it's friday, listening to the debate back and forth. the "scranton versus park avenue" point is an interesting one. joe biden is trying to, of course, pushing him into this election as the everyday guy who still believes in blue-collar workers, who knows what the issues are on the ground. the fact is that joe biden has been in washington, d.c., for a very long time. david brings up these issues with corruption and hunter biden, and people will say, "well, that's just a personal issue that the president is going after." actually it's a broader, bigger political issue when it comes to a d.c. insider, meaning joe biden, and his son, using his d.c. insider name to get special deals with foreign countries. on top of president trump making that argument that joe biden sold out american jobs to foreign companies but president trump is still able to push himself into this general

election by saying, "i'm still an outsider. you should be voting for me." on the covid issue, the talk of the vaccine is a very interesting one. what is being lost here is the miracle that this vaccine has been pushed out in less than a year. usually vaccines take years to come to fruition, to be successful. the idea that we have one that may be available to the general public with this infrastructure around the military distributing it, all these other groups being on call to get ready for it, that really is quite the feat when it comes to usually the bureaucracy we have to go through to get a vaccine to the american people. >> harris: yeah, at least the beginning stages of it. we have to let the scientists do what they're going to do. he saw that letter from the nine companies, they are not going to take shortcuts and let politics get in the way. it's a journey we are all on. let's watch this, because joe biden had a bit of a town all last night. i shouldn't say "a little bit," but it was kind of interesting. it was a drive-in.

covid-19 ready, and that's important. joe biden said that, if president trump had acted sooner on coronavirus, all the people would still be alive. watch. >> if the president had done his job, had done his job from the beginning, all the people would still be alive. all the people -- i'm not making this up, just look at the data. look at the data. >> harris: several media outlets actually pushed back on joe biden's comments, including this analysis piece from "the washington post," which reads -- let's put up the quote -- "actually, biden is making this up. there is no data to support this. even if the president had moved rapidly in january to deal with the coronavirus and been able to persuade the chinese leadership to be more forthcoming about the situation, even nations that have been praised for their handling of the pandemic, such as south korea, new zealand, and iceland, have suffered some deaths." melissa, i come to you. >> melissa: so, what shocks me

about this whole -- maybe it doesn't shock me, it makes me sad -- about this whole situation, there you are, in a town hall with joe biden, and who are they talking about? trump. they are asking questions about trim, he's responding about. if i were able to ask joe biden a question -- and, chris wallace, feel free to steal this for me -- i would say, "during the obama-biden recovery, we saw the divide between rich and poor expand and median income fall." but at the opposite of what he says he's in favor of. "during president trump's administration, those numbers, according to the federal reserve, have gone in the opposite direction. will you do anything different differently? differently, were you in charge of this recovery, so you wouldn't see that divide expand and median income fall? what would you do differently?" i don't hear anyone asking him any questions about himself, his record, his policy. they ask him about trump. "how angry does he make you? what do you think about his

soul? what do you think about his response?" why is everything about trump? why don't we ask joe biden some questions about his own record that are tough and put fax to him? those are numbers from the federal reserve. here is the proof. what do you have to say about it? that's what i would ask. >> harris: leslie, here is part of the challenge for joe biden that i see. he hasn't been out with enough reporters to be able to get to those types of questions. we have a town hall last night, there was one that i did watch. one of the questions with was from a trump supporter. i thought her question was excellent and he did a pretty good job answering it. i don't know if it's want don't like what she wanted to hear, because he missed an opportunity to thank a trump supporter for asking the question. the next question was, "what are you going to do to bring all support all supporters together, trump and otherwise?" wow, what a missed opportunity. to melissa's point, what about

the economy? because people are taking that in their pockets, into the polling booth, at home, whatever it's going to be. >> leslie: it really depends which economist you ask. melissa certainly knows finance -- >> harris: but we are asking joe biden. >> leslie: there are economists saying trump will be better for the economy, but there are many top economists that have said that joe biden's plan is better at recouping a great number of the 13 million jobs lost, among this pandemic that we are living right now. >> harris: do you know why they say that? >> leslie: that's what people want to hear. however, the economy is not number one, especially for the current biden supporters. as you know, among democrats and biden supporters who may not say that they are democrats, the number one issue for them that is motivating them, that they have more enthusiasm over event joe biden, quite frankly, is their anger toward or even hatred of the president and making him a one-term president in november 2020. quite frankly, i'm not surprised

that the questions are all about trump, because that is really what biden's base and support want to hear about. >> david: i just would like to jump in real quickly on the economy. >> harris: before you start, i want to specifically hit something leslie didn't answer. maybe she couldn't hear me. but why does anybody think biden would be better than president trump, considering what we are already reading about where we are? i'm just curious. on behalf of people who pay taxes, which are a lot of us, how would exactly that work? i think he's going to raise taxes. that's what he says. >> david: we are paying more. as you know, harris, you live in new jersey. as a result of democratic governance, as well. joe biden has a track record just as he has a foreign policy track record in dealing with ukraine. he has an economic track record, and it's horrible when you think of what happened in 2010. remember, that was the recovery summer. we were supposed to recover that summer, and he claimed we were going to get 500,000 new jobs

every month in the summer of 2010. barnstormed around the country for the month of may and part of june, until it turned out that we ended up with a negative figure in terms of job growth for 2010. not only did we not get 500,000 new jobs a month, we ended up with a negative overall figure for those three months. he has a track record. the green jobs that he used to brag about that were going to outpace carbon energy jobs during the obama-biden administration. none of that came to fruition. remember solyndra? there were a lot of examples from his own record of how his policies have been tried in the past and haven't worked, so he's got to answer that record. >> harris: see, this is all going to melissa's point, though. none of these questions are being asked. and you only have 46 days. you are going to have a couple of debates, but he has to get out there. president trump is out there. it'll be interesting as they

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>> perfect is $3.4 trillion. remember, we've come down $1 trillion and we said we would meet them in the middle. there are more needs that have emerged since we passed the bill for months ago. state and local government is a big hang up. we have contempt for science and disdain for state and local government.

>> melissa: house speaker nancy pelosi last hour refusing to come down from her $2.2 trillion coronavirus stimulus offer on the table. the negotiations with the white house have gone nowhere for weeks. yesterday, pelosi told reporters she did not see how democrats could go any lower after chipping away more than $1 trillion from their $3.4 trillion package, the house passed away back in may. vulnerable democrats running for reelection are pressuring her to reach a deal, and president trump on wednesday told republicans to go bigger after the skinny g.o.p. coronavirus bill failed to advance in the senate. katie, i wonder about some of the things that we are being told about all of this. negotiations with the white house have gone nowhere. i don't know that i believe that sentence, because i do think the president would like to reign money down on everyone before in election, so people can feel better.

i am not sure that nancy pelosi wants to pass anything or help anyone ahead of the election. even if she thinks it's worth it to suffer now, i don't know. what about republicans? what do you think they really want? to pass something, or not? >> katie: i think republicans want to pass something, but they don't want to make american taxpayers at the federal level pay for the bad financial decisions of state and local governments. melissa, you know this. whether it's personally or in the government, bad financial decisions are highlighted and there is an emergency. the coronavirus has brought an emergency to blue states especially hard because of the bad financial decisions that have been made for years. the president has been clear from the beginning, as have republicans, they are not willing to use money that is supposed to be for coronavirus relief for people who need the help to bail out bad government officials who have been making

decisions that have now put them into this situation. as far as republicans go, it is important that they are pointing out we can't just keep spending trillions of dollars. this country is $28 trillion in debt. someone will have to pay that, meaning future generations. there is a cost to all of this. the good news is the economy is getting better if, therefore a larger release package is not necessarily warranted. we also have to remember that we want employers to be able to get employees back to work. if you incentivize people not to work by paying them more, not to be working, it's very difficult for businesses to open up their doors and get people back to working, and people through the door to spend their money. >> melissa: leslie, nancy pelosi is just lying when she says that this money needs to go to the state and local municipalities or else they are going to go under and they can't fund all of these different things. as we know, a line of credit was approved for them at the treasury the summer. if they really need money, they

can go get it right away. for anything they need. they can call up the treasure and get it absolutely today. is the problem just that they want a gift? they don't want to borrow money. they want something from washington they never have to pay back. >> leslie: i don't think so, quite frankly, melissa. i think, for some states -- and there are some in this country, including the one i'm sitting in, california, hit harder by the virus. we have additional health issues here just because of the air quality, which affects the respiratory system, and we have flu season coming up upon us. but it goes further than the state and local governments. you come down a trillion dollars, that's not saying you're not going to budge. you're asking for more money. the president, who is not of your party, is asking for more money. this isn't just about "i want to win back," is not just about a political stalemate before an election coming up in november. it's about saying, "look, the american people, on top of their own appointment, at $600 each,

let's cut that down to $200." it's more money for state and local governments. when we look, both sides haven't budged. it doesn't behoove nancy pelosi as a leader in the house for her party, where they have the majority, to just stand there. this can hurt democrats in various states. the senate has the same problem with republicans in the majority. quite frankly, i don't think either or just playing politics, because it will help them politically, especially in the house and senate races in november, to come up with something that the american people can benefit from. one more thing, there are many americans who don't have jobs to go back to. sadly, although we see closed temporarily for some companies, there are many companies in this country that will never open their doors again. those employees have nowhere to go and have to continue to get unemployment until they find a different job. >> melissa: that's absolutely true, david. we know somewhere between 50 or 60% of businesses that are still closed right now will never reopen again.

she's right. it is hard for me, though, to think that more of these packages are the answer. it's hard to me to cry for california. i would love to hear your thoughts. when they have more money than any other state, they have a higher tax rate, they get more money from their residence than i the other states, and somehow they are in the worst condition even though they just bleed their residence to drive. almost nowhere else it why are they in so much trouble when they are breaking in so much money? >> david: because they are terrible managers. we had on yesterday neil because widow had on the governor of florida, dissent is. saying, "we have more people than the state of new york," which is similar to california in the way it spends and wastes money. "we have more people than the state of new york and yet we have no income tax and we are doing fine in our budget." there is something about the way business is done in places like new york and california that needs changing. one thing nancy pelosi said that is true, the president has

disdain for democratic governors and mayors. he's not the only one who does. there are a number of democrats, moderate democrats, people like max rose from the state of new york. he is furious at pelosi, and not dealing with trump in a meaningful way to get this covid bill through. because he sees what a mess the governor of new york and the mayor of new york have made of the city in the state. >> melissa: absolute e. harris, real quick, last word? >> harris: just to say we are bringing up about congo's been max rose, in the 11th district in new york. at the swing district. he has been talking about how much trouble democrats are in, and they are not apples and apples in this case. republicans were talking coronavirus bills and stimulus. i remember talking with larry kudlow about this, that we

need more than a phase two, three company dominic, maybe more. they were the ones who want to take a break nancy pelosi threatened they would work through the break and get it done. let's get real about that. max rose is right when he said he's in trouble in a swing state or a swing district. they've got to do something quickly. >> melissa: a major court decision extending the mail and voting deadline in a major battleground state, as a federal judge rules some post office cutting moves that critics say have slow down the mail. that's next. ♪ [narrator] this is steve.

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>> harris: the news making headlines this hour. the trump administration says it will ban downloads of the chinese owned apps tiktok and wechat beginning this sunday, due to national security and data privacy concerns. health experts warn smoke from dozens of west coast wildfires will make air quality worse and put more people at risk of serious complications from covid-19. that is especially people with underlying conditions, like asthma. in los angeles, the reward is now up to $675,000 for information leading to the capture of the gunmen suspected of shooting two sheriff's deputies last weekend. it was captured on video. one of those deputies, a 24-year-old male, reportedly

just got out of the hospital. has 31-year-old female colleague still there, but the sheriff says she is improving at every moment and is out of the icu. les them both to bless them both. pennsylvania supreme court has extended the mail-in voting deadline to three days after the election, following a lawsuit by state democrats. new ballots will now be counted up until november 6th, as long as they are postmarked by 8:00 p.m. on election day. meanwhile, a federal judge in washington state temporarily is blocking u.s. postal service cost-cutting moves, which critics say may have slow down the mail nationwide. this, after 14 states filed lawsuit. the judge called the change is a politically motivated attack. but the postal service spokesperson says it can handle whatever volume of election mail people send. president trump last night was in wisconsin.

we mentioned this earlier. once again, he warned that universal mail-in voting is ripe with fraud. or, for fraud. >> these paper ballots you talk about are a bad thing. just get out and vote. get out and vote. if you have to go that route, make sure they have it counted. and they know it's trouble. >> harris: katie, i come to you first on this. your topline thoughts as we are 46 days out? >> katie: well, there are a number of other states that allow ballots to be counted three days after election day, as long as they are postmarked by election day when polls close. texas, north carolina, also a swing state. and iowa a swing state. this is a win for democrats and also a reason why you are seeing these massive teams of lawyers being hired by both the biden campaign in the trump campaign, because, if you recall, the 2008 senate race between norm coleman

and al franken, the reason why al franken got pushed over the top is because absentee ballots were counted after election day. on election day, norm coleman was winning that race. al franken came back two weeks later and ended up winning it based on the count of the votes of the absentee ballots that had previously been counted. i do think, for the president, this comes down to -- also, as the attorney general has talked about -- there's not a decisive win on election night for either joe biden or donald trump. that could certainly cause lots of questions about who won and cause some unrest. i would hope that we can count as many ballots as possible on election night so we know who the winner is. >> harris: you know, i'm looking at the list today. i mentioned early in person voting where both of these men are going, and minnesota. absentee voters in south dakota today can start mailing in their ballots. early in person and absentee voting begins in virginia. this is on the minds of people

already. leslie, i come to you. you heard katie say that this was a win for democrats, to be able to count after election day. i still scratch my head as to why we can't start this process differently, and maybe even extend it out by a couple of days for everybody. not the county, necessarily, but getting more people a chance to go to the polls if they should want to. >> leslie: quite frankly, we are in a very different time. we've never had an election like this. we've never had a covid pandemic. i think i'm scratching my head because i just agreed with almost everything katie said. that was i was smiling this time, katie. >> katie: shocker! [laughter] >> leslie: it's friday, yeah. this isn't just a win for democrats, it's for the american people and for voters. >> katie: democrats filed the lawsuit, though. >> leslie: yes, yes. legally a win. but as far as voting, when you have -- like senator bernie sanders always says, every vote must count.

that's essential. that's crucial. at this time, there are people who are normally accustomed to getting out and going to vote. some of them may not feel comfortable because of that, with her because of their age and underlying health conditions or just fear in their states when they look at numbers even if they are coming down amidst this covid pandemic. i think it's essential. but like katie, i am very hopeful that we will have a result with a wide enough margin on election night that we will know the winner. >> harris: i love kumbaya on a friday. [laughter] david asman? >> david: time for a little break up of the kumbaya. [laughter] first of all, this obama-era judge, the federal judge, who claimed that dealings with the post office was a politically motivated attack, the postmaster general of the united states, who appeared before congress in open hearings, we all saw it a couple weeks ago. he was personally very demonstrative, saying there was

nothing politically motivated. everything that democrats say, we are pulling back. the federal judge seems more politically motivated than anybody in this issue. you know what gets me, is the motivation of the whole mail-in voting that is going on. because we have a terrific model from south korea. south korea had a nationwide vote, 40 million people, a record number of people turned out to vote in the middle of their pandemic, in april, and they didn't have one single case of covid that was generated as a result of that election. they were so careful, they provided us with a blueprint of how to do in person voting in a pandemic without anybody getting sick. we didn't follow it because there was so much political -- that's what bothers me about this whole covid thing. we have so politicize something that should be dealt with by science. and it's interesting, the biden folks have said we should keep it all sides, when they have so politicized it. it really books the heck out of

me it really bugs the heck out of out of me. >> harris: that is such an interesting example. when you look at how much of a percentage that is compared with how many people don't vote in the u.s., it's really sad. okay, we'll move. just how moderate would a joe biden administration be? new questions for the democratic nominee, after a leading voice on the left spoke about the clout progressives have. >> what is most important is to make sure we ensure democratic victory in november, and we continue to push vice president biden. ♪ i'm greg, i'm 68 years old.

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>> melissa: progressive congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez sounded confident that, if joe biden is elected, liberal democrats can move his policies for their left. she is a long time supporter of former candidate bernie sanders, of course, who is reportedly worried biden is not progressive enough. alexandria ocasio-cortez says she agrees on her big sticking point is health care reform. the former vp says he wants a federally run public auction to obamacare, while the congresswoman wants medicare for all, which sanders has also championed. david, i have a theory on this one. i think, as we heard in an op-ed this week from a never trumper who said people are starting to see, come to this notion that biden would be a teleprompter president, as we've seen him reading the prompter to say a lot of his answers. the question is, who would be writing the words that are in that prompter? we don't know. is it so much of the extreme

left, someone moderate? what policies would be really be getting? i kind of think people like aoc, there are so many out there who think they'd be pulling the strings. it would be quite a fight behind the scenes, because so many of the powerful ruling elite think they get themselves elected through him and then rule for him. it could be had to fight to the death behind the scenes what are your thoughts? >> david: there's a friend of ours, robert wolf, who is a democrat, fully behind joe biden, wh who is a moderate democrat. if it was robert wolf that was behind the scenes pulling the strings, i wouldn't have as much of a problem as if it turns out to be burning and aoc. because they are socialists, and they still believe that the government is responsible for everything. that we all have a right to everything in our lives, whether it's health care, higher education, whatever it is, including housing. the problem is, if you rely on the government for everything,

you eventually have no rights of your own. because you owe the government everything. if the government is responsible for everything you have, you owe the government everything. therefore, you end up with no personal rights. that is the fatal flaw of socialism. we saw that happen in the soviet union, we see it everywhere we have a socialist government. if you have a right to everything, you end up with no rights at all. it scares the hell out of me and i think it should scare everybody who is watching, who values and cherishes their own personal rights, because you end up with none if you end up with the policies pushed by bernie and aoc. >> melissa: katie, who do you think would win the fight to the death to control the mouthpiece behind the president if joe biden won? would be the likes of nancy pelosi? would it be kamala harris? would it be aoc? would it be bernie sanders? they have all said things that make you think they believe they are the ones that would be pulling the strings.

>> katie: well, just this week you had joe biden and kamala harris say that the harris-biden administration would do x, y, and z. that's your first indicated that kamala harris is going to have a larger role than maybe your typical vice presidential candidate. just look at the way that congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez has been able to push nancy pelosi around, how she's been able to hold the speaker of the house hostage on a number of issues on the house floor. look at the way that she kept amazon out of her district and got rid of all the jobs that were planning to come in there. she's a powerful force. the leftist forces, the progressive forces behind her are very powerful, very well-funded, and they are winning this fight when it comes to pushing the democratic party farther to the left when it comes to what is happening in washington, d.c., on capitol hill, and what would happen in the white house. i'm sure they have some say about who should be advising president biden if he were to win the white house.

the cabinet he would put together. let's not forget that people like elizabeth warren, who ran for president, who endorsed vice president joe biden, is also very far to the left. she was a presidential candidate. this idea that the establishment, of course, is a powerful thing in d.c., but the far left of the democratic party has been winning for two years now. >> melissa: we are out of time. leslie, i wanted to squeeze you in. other side of the break. president trump now saying he will stop what he calls left-wing indoctrination in our schools. next, the program he is targeting and how he plans to fight it. ♪ is that net carbs or total?... eh, not enough fiber... chocolate would be good... snacking should be sweet and simple. the delicious taste of glucerna gives you the sweetness you crave while helping you manage your blood sugar. with nutrients to help support immune health.

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>> earlier today, i took a historic stand against the hateful lies being fed to america's youth. we are going to teach our children the truth about america, that we are the most exceptional nation ever to exist, and we are getting better every single day. >> harris: president trump they are in battleground wisconsin, saying he's creating a commission to push patriotic education and counter what he calls "left-wing indoctrination" in america's schools. he calls it the 1776 commission.

apparently a dig at "the new york times" 1619 project, named for the year the first enslaved africans were blocked on my part to virginia. the president's idea as spark backlash from critics who say he is downplaying some of the darkest chapters of american history to play to his political base. leslie, i will come to you first to get a reaction to this. >> leslie: the federal government cannot mandate what our children are taught in schools, neither can "new york magazine," who started the 6019 campaign. i grew up in plymouth, massachusetts. for years, i was taught the very wrong and not truthful historical story of native americans and the pilgrims who settled here in the united states and massachusetts. we just saw this week a set number, that one in ten americans under 40 don't even know what the holocaust is. with regard to 1619, this isn't just about white privilege or even white supremacy.

this is about how race impacts the economy, the political and social systems in our nation. i want my kids to learn the truth regarding everyone on this country and our history, truthfully, even if it's ugly. regarding african-americans, regarding jews, native americans, and i think all americans should be on board with our children learning accurate american history. i think that's one of the things the 1619 project has as a goal. >> david? >> david: a uses critical race theory's is one of its starting points. the commissioner on the civil rights commission says it's one of the most pernicious racially divisive theories that are circulating right now. he is very glad, this commissioner from the civil rights commission, that it's being kicked out of federal training. he thinks it's actually a violation of title vii, because it actually separates employees by race and a lot of the seminars. that is not anything that is

bringing racists together that is dividing races. i agree we should have the truth, but you don't get to it by the 1619 project. >> harris: you know, it's interesting. it caught my eye, too, that report. the guardian, usa today, several reported on it. nearly two-thirds of millennials in america and generation z don't know that 6 million jews were killed in the holocaust. melissa, you and i are moms here. just teach the truth. but teach all of the truth and make sure that there is time in class for kids to really get it. i look at where you are living right now, in new york city, and you are mayor, who no one is happy with right now, is delaying, again and again and again, opening the schools. we can't even get that right in this country. >> melissa: that's a fantastic point. i was never taught the wrong facts in school about the

relationship between the colonist and native americans. i'm pretty old. my kids go to school today, and they are taught a lot of really "woke" things. i'm not afraid of that because we talk about everything, and we always have. they come home and talk to me about what they are learning. i'm not afraid of the morning of the points of view. i trust them to come to their own conclusion, whatever that is. i would like them to go to school and there were a lot of tears among teachers and administrators yesterday when bill de blasio put that off. no one has any idea why he is doing it. kids need to be in school -- >> harris: there are places in this country where it's working. unfortunately, new york city's included among those that are not. we will move on. more "outnumbered" after the break. hi, i'm dorothy hamill.

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