>> trace: sandra, i've never seen a busier news cycle. good to see it. >> sandra: [laughs] you just never know. a couple campaign stops for the president. "outnumbered" starts now. >> harris: two louisville, kentucky, police officers are expected to make a full recovery after they were shot last night during protests over a grand jury decision in the breonna taylor case. >> [gunfire] >> shots fired, shots fired. [radio chatter] >> harris: that was the moment it was breaking apart last night in louisville, and now we have learned that one of the police officers has gone home from the hospital to recover. the other is listed in stable condition. protests erupted after a grand

jury indicted just 1 of 3 police officers involved in breonna taylor's police shooting death during a raid on her apartment in march. the indictments for wanton endangerment are not directly tied to taylor's killing. protesters hit the street in cities across america vent their fury. in louisville, police say they made 127 arrests and responded to 16 incidents of shooting -- looting, excuse me. one suspect, lorenzo johnson, is in custody in connection with the shooting of those two police officers we began our hour with. jeff paul has tracked it all throughout the night. jeff? >> harris, the city here in louisville preparing for what could be another night of fiery protests. you can probably see the dump trucks set up behind me as the sort of set a perimeter to keep people from driving downtown. maybe one of the most chaotic scenes happening just outside of downtown. that, of course, is the scene of

where two officers were shot amid the ongoing protests. those two officers, we are learning, are expected to survive. they've also arrested one man in the case of this shooting, and the police chief saying that things like this shouldn't be happening. he does worry about the safety of his officers who are out there trying to keep the entire city safe, as well as those protesters were out demonstrating. >> last night's situation could have been so much worse for our officers, and for the people who are protesting when the gunfire rang out. >> now, the curfew is once again set at 9:00 p.m., and it wasn't really until it started to get dark where things got out of hand yesterday. inside the downtown core door, there were mostly relatively quiet protests, chanting, people moving around, but as when they started getting closer to the mayor's house where they were clashes with police. in fact, the mayor speaking a

little while ago about what it will look like around the city moving forward with these ongoing demonstrations. >> what do we do with this pain? there is no one answer, no easy answer to that question, but i do know this. violence is not the answer, and destruction is not the answer. public safety and the work for racial equity and justice can and must coexist. >> one thing i should say is that, compared to last night, it's a complete inferencing down here. it's very quiet. there's no one around. we, in fact, saw some people from the community out here cleaning up. there were trash cans on fire, cardboard left out, and now you wouldn't even have known there was chaos here in downtown louisville. we will see tonight, that curfew goes into effect at 9:00 p.m. harris? >> harris: jeff paul, thank you very much.

you are watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. townhall.com editor in fox news contributor, katie pavlich. attorney and fox news contributor, emily compagno. in the center seat today, fox news contributor and syndicated radio host of the richard fowler show, richard fowler is with us. i actually, emily, want to go to first and talk legality of all of this. it was not missed on anybody yesterday that, as those charges are read in the courtroom by the judge via zoom, they were a little confusing. the charges came because of the case, not because of the killing of breonna taylor. let's start there, get you to break it down, and i have a follow. >> emily: absolutely, i'm happy to. the three counts of the charge against the former officer, it is essentially engaging in conduct that creates a substantial risk of death or serious bodily harm to another individual, under circumstances manifesting an extreme indifference to the valley of

human life. essentially it's an analog to reckless endangerment, which is usually a wobbly. sometimes it's the girl's demeanor, sometimes as a felony. here we know in kentucky it is a class c felony. for each class it is convicted, that would be up to five years in prison and a fine. stemming from the fact that that former officer at the time shot through a sliding glass door, with the blinds drawn, into a neighboring apartment, and that was in direct violation of his department's policy, which requires a line of sight in order to shoot. i would like to make a point, if i may, about the no-knock warrant aspect. with a lot of calls to eradicate them altogether. warrant executions are always dangerous, for both law enforcement and the occupants. raids are always frightening and there is a heightened sense of fear and the potential for violence on both ends at all times. there's not enough time in the show for me to share stories from both sides of those. the point about everyone wanting them gone altogether, to me,

that doesn't sit well. the point of the no-knock warrant, if evidence might be destroyed that they are seeking in that warrant, or in the chance of compromised injury to the police officers or the occupants themselves. think o about child sex trafficking cases, kidnappings. at that point, the no-knock warrants are very useful in specific valueue to those. i always, as you know, i call for exceptions for things. i call for judicial discretion. here, i just -- i'm not an advocate for eradicating them altogether. >> harris: well, just to follow up on that, kentucky attorney general daniel cameron yesterday said that, in this case, the warrant was issued this way, but police actually did not. they had at least one corroborating witness to the fact also that they announced. more witnesses, apparently, who heard the knock. my follow-up has to do -- richard, i will come to you on it -- we saw unrest last

night. i was reading through the charges and i only pretend to be emily when i'm feeling cool. [laughter] i don't have her law degree. among the charges with the individual that they have already arrested for allegedly shooting two police officers in louisville where wanton endangerment charges. right? again, you've got a situation where there could have been more collateral damage. they didn't really know who they were shooting at. i thought it was ironic if, for no other word, then to say an answer to the violence that you are protesting is never more violence. what is your take? >> richard: i think that's absolutely right, harris. thanks for having me this morning. i think there's a larger contextual problem we have to think about when thinking about the breonna taylor case. anybody looking at this case in a vacuum is missing the larger point of peaceful protest over the past six or seven months, right? because what's happening across this country is that the

american people are saying that our justice system needs to be reformed, because it's currently failing. a feeling justice system impacts black and brown communities disproportionately but it also harms the police that work in that system. emily brought up the no-knock warrant, that's an example of a broken justice system. a no knock warrant should be a last resort. in the case of breonna taylor, a no knock warrant wasn't necessary. especially when the warrant is being served in the middle of the night. we need to really ask ourselves in this country, are we serving our police officers well, receiving air communities well when we are living in a broken justice system, where you can't get justice, there isn't a fair distribution of the constitution, and law and order is broken on both sides? because the cop that was indicted broke "law & order" " just like folks who are looting in the streets. >> harris: let's also talk about crimes being made, the department of justice is looking at this in total. particularly those crimes on the

streets like what we saw last night. the doj -- let's set this up on the screen for people to see, he has charged more than 300 people with crimes committed under the guise of peaceful demonstration since the beginning of civil unrest this year. more than a third of them, katie, where associated with arson and explosives. there is no getting around the fact that this swelling problem of violence is benefiting nobody in the streets who had hoped to bring about justice through peaceful protests. >> katie: yeah, harris, i had the opportunity to interview attorney general bill barr about a week and a half ago, and he reiterated that the department of justice continues to investigate the connection between these types of criminal rioters who are traveling from state to state to cause chaos when these situations arise, no matter what the results are. you saw yesterday one of our

reporters at "town hall" took a video of a u-haul truck that was on the scene and ready to go for this decision with signs and shields and people who may not even be from louisville. this idea now that the justice department look into this shows that there is a well coordinated, organized effort to turn these situations into a very volatile, destructive, and a situation that tears americans apart. when it comes the details of the case, i think it's really important to remember with the attorney general of kentucky, daniel cameron, said yesterday when he said mob justice is not justice. it's only revenge. unfortunately, the sector of people you see that continue to organize and carry out this chaos to destroy communities for decades to come continues their work. but the doj is certainly working overtime to try and get some of these people behind bars with

serious criminal charges so that this stops. >> harris: wow. that video is jarring, isn't it, melissa? to see the coronation there are people going out. it's all right we have in this country. it's protesting, where it has gone awry is when the sun sets and things go sideways. you saw the mayor, democratic mayor fischer there, greg fischer, trying to calm his city down. in talking about this, in terms that we've been talking about this for months, yes, it's a crime unfolding on the city streets. i don't know if that's enough for him to quell it. >> melissa: i mean, when i look at that video of the u-haul, all i can think is you listen to the words of that attorney general saying, "don't let other people coming from outside, don't tell celebrities tell us how to feel better communities. this is a decision we have to make here." i'm paraphrasing, but he was so eloquent and so many people have

gone back to it. then you look at that video of the u-haul, and i want to take katie's .1 step further. i think these communities are being victimized by the protests or rioters. i come in the aftermath of the situations and we always interview the small business owners whose businesses have been looted and destroyed. i can't tell you how often they are black business owners, the very people whose lives were supposed to be looking out for and respecting, and here they are having their businesses looted and destroyed. they are being mike being victimized again in their community. i do think we need to take a very tough look into who paid for that u-haul. here in new york, when this happened, my own producer, jamie labella, was standing in brooklyn. she saw the bus unloading, they were handing out flyers, they came from massachusetts. now, i don't know if any of those people engaged in

violence, there needs to be an investigation into when you have folks come into the community. if that turns into violence, that is victimizing this poor community again. i mean, it's outrageous, and we should all be appalled and upset by that, because you are seeing black lives trampled on again in these situations. >> harris: well, all lives. business owners, everybody. real quickly, missouri representative emmanuel cleaver and i have talked throughout the unrest, and he said in ferguson, when he was trying to help there in his home state of missouri, that he called them insurgents. they would come in from other states, and the problem is it's hard to hold them accountable because they don't have connections inside the community necessarily. trying to find them, as you said, melissa, is a daunting task and a time consuming when when things are breaking off on a nightly basis. okay, we'll continue to cover the news on this, obviously, as

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>> melissa: do, joe biden defending his low-profile approach yesterday. it was his first stop in the state since the coronavirus pandemic hit. the democratic nominee saying he can compete with fewer and more socially distant events. >> we have a couple dozen volunteers in the state, number one. we have over 200 something paid staff in and out of the state.

contacting people on telephones, virtually, constantly. what we don't do this we don't bring around large crowds, breathing on one another, coughing on one another. some people are going to get sick and die. >> melissa: but president trump this morning ripping into his opponent for putting a "lid" on his day before 9:30 a.m. eastern time. i'd like to do that. the president tweeting, "sleepy joe biden just closed on his campaign for the day again. wants to rest. he is a very low energy individual and our country cannot make it in these exciting but complex and competitive times with a low-energy president." all this as biden's running mate faces criticism for not being more accessible to the media. kamala harris has not former mike formally taking questions from reporters since biden put her on the ticket on augus august 11th. sam stein, editor of the liberal daily beast, to eating "the

biden campaign's reluctance to talk to the press is not just annoying, though it is that. it is bad for our system of governance, especially during covid, and has a foul stench of insecurity. "richard, let me start with you. judy woodruff, i heard her in the last hour telling sandra smith, chastising her, saying, "as a tv person, your idea that campaigns are out in person, that you meet people, is very old-fashioned and out of date." that it's not the way things are done. do you not have to campaign in prison any longer? >> richard: i think any campaign require some sort of in-person interaction with the people you're trying to get to vote for you. i think it's important for the biden campaign to do that. you are beginning to see them do that. they're beginning to have social distance events or folks are required to wear masks, they are following the science to ensure that the biden campaign doesn't increase the uptick in covid-19.

i think that's important and noticeable and relevant. i think it's also important to point out that, while we want the campaign to talk more to the press, we also want any presidential campaign to talk truth and realness to the american people. we are seeing on the other side from donald trump is a lot of misinformation. he continues to tell the american people there's going to be a vaccine by election day. that doesn't seem to be the case when you talk to all the companies trying to produce it. it also doesn't seem to be end game. having a vaccine doesn't end the spread of coronavirus. he needs to be talking to us about a plan on how we're going to implement this vaccine. who's going to get it first? if he's not having that conversation, there are a lot of the american people very nervous and very scared. because we have 20 states that already have an uptick in covid-19 as we speak. >> melissa: okay. katie, i don't think richard saw the press conference the president did the other day where he answered all of those questions. i guess he can certainly do it again.

they sort of benefit to this idea that the reason why joe biden isn't out there, and they aren't doing things in person, is because it is so dangerous to be outside and to see other people. that narrative was working very well for a long time. it doesn't answer the question, though -- if it's still working, it doesn't answer the question that "the daily beast" had for kamala harris, which is, "why will you take reporter questions?" you could do that a of distance. like they said, it is a stench of insecurity. >> katie: first of all, the president had the plan to distribute vaccines to anyone who wants one come through the military, the private sector, walgreens and cvs and other doctors lined up. to say he doesn't have a plan for vaccine disturb you dissipation just isn't true. they have a massive plan that includes the military. a lot of people have questions about how that would actually work. in terms of kamala harris, it does reek of and security. you have to remember that during

the primary she had a lot of trouble and didn't make it highly to the first vote because she was unable to back up her own record and to articulate the policies that she put forward as a presidential nominee. not to mention now she is not articulating anything when it comes to what the vice president would do. let's not forget that she has a lot of things to answer for over the past few months, because it was in june that kamala harris was treating out a link to a fund to bail out rioters in places like minnesota and other places around the country. those individuals, those criminals, ended up being domestic abusers, people engaged in arson, so she has a lot to answer for when it comes to her role in the unrest over the last couple of months. >> melissa: yeah. emily, the other talking point that richard pivoted to was this idea that we need somebody who speaks the truth. i don't know how effective that argument would be, and i would wonder even, in a debate setting, when you have joe biden who has repeatedly lied about

being arrested, he has lied about being the first person and his family to go to college, or even if he's not talking about his personal history, there is lies. "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor." the lie that the health insurance premiums will go down by $1250 per family per year. he doesn't know how many grandchildren he has. i mean, i could go on. if you are making the argument, would you go with that one if you were defending joe biden? >> no, i would not. yes, i agree with you. i think another large difference in contrast that people are seeing is the difference between the policies he's putting forth and that sort of knee-jerk talking point that he also puts forth, which are in stark contrast with each other. he is sort of operating off his long-term memory and saying things like how he supports the inanities not doing anything with traditional energy. but his policies, as we see them capitulating to the far left, clearly speak differently.

to me, to go to that foul stench of insecurity line, this is beyond preposterous. this man wants to be the leader of the free world, and his campaign is deploying what they see clearly as his best strategy, which is away from the spotlight and away from the press. we are 40 days out from the election, and they are regularly calling a lid by 8:00 and 9:00 a.m. in the morning. no covid could defense the use against the internet. why doesn't he use zoom or instagram live or the other platforms the younger congressmen and senators use to keep connected to the people? there is no face-to-face -- there is no substitute for face-to-face that he is not utilizing. i think this is what is concerning voters, because it speaks to the kind of president he would be and also feeds into the narrative that he's not up to the challenge. >> richard: let me just say this here -- >> melissa: with me let harris get in there quickly. harris, on the other hand, when

you look at it from a broader perspective, it seems to reflect their personalities, and maybe voters are fine with that. you are getting to see, one is maybe calmer and more reserved, or where president trump is out there a million miles an hour all the time, and that makes some people uncomfortable. i don't know, what do you think? >> harris: it makes some people uncomfortable if he isn't doing the job they want him to do, particularly where coronavirus is. maybe that's why you see some softening in the numbers there and the polling on that particular issue. i think it's more simplistic than that, actually. i think you've got a big debate coming up, and the expectations have been high, they've been low, they've been all over from the republican side now for what it will take for joe biden to do what he needs to do. can he bring his a-game? can he not? that sort of thing. in the middle of it, he can't make huge mistakes on the campaign trail right before tuesday night. that would be the goal, i would

think, for anybody working with him. you know, i'm not not run a press shop, but i'm a professional communicator. what i would say is, the more you sort of go down the road of giving the president some places to job that you politically, the tougher it's going to be not to talk about just those things you said over the past week. those bigger lanes of issues that we know chris wallace has released as the topics for next tuesday night. part of it may be a calculation of just, "joe, let's have you take a seat until it's time for you to rise to the occasion," but i agree with richard and everyone on the panel. it's going to be hard to go forward unless you get out there at least to some degree. >> melissa: all right. in the meantime, president trump says the late justice ruth bader ginsburg's seat must be filled as soon as possible because the supreme court may well have to settle the election. details on that, next. ♪ some companies still have hr stuck between employees and their data.

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>> i think this will end up in the supreme court. it's very important we have nine justices. i think it's going to go very quickly. i will be submitting at 5:00 on saturday the name of the person i chose for this most important of all positions, and i think we should go very quickly. you see the republicans are very united. as far as timing is concerned. >> harris: the thing president trump says will end up in the supreme court, the election. that's part of his argument that we must have the traditional nine justices on the u.s. supreme court as soon as possible to avoid a deadlock. this, as the new quinnipiac poll shows 53% of likely voters say they believe the race for the white house will be settled on election night.

what is the significant detail that it would take time before don might be on election night connect some states have already linked up time when you get that ballot and counted to the 9th of november to finish counting, that sort of thing? >> emily: it all feeds into the delay, and the uncertainty, and the litigation. i want to point out, for viewers, as of this month, there were over 230 separate cases floating around in 43 states and d.c. and puerto rico, already election-related cases. on everything. pandemic related cases, mail-in, absentee, everything from the postage, notification, witnesses, timing. any detail, anything you can think of is the subject of an existing case. now, expect to triple that in this election season, as i like to call it, because it inevitably will not be one day. i want to point out something we've been talking about since

the late justice ginsburg passed away, and that is that, if there are eight justices, and these cases go up to the supreme court, and there is a time, the ruling stand of the lower court, it's paramount because it means that those expected rulings in places like the supreme court of california or the like, those rulings will stand. all of those will have an impact on the actual election results, not to mention if there was something that is crystal clear as bush versus gore in 2000. absolutely, the courts have total power here. frankly, the election might be squarely in their hands. >> harris: all right, i want to hear from president trump real quickly, and the mitch mcconnell has treated. watch the president. >> that, i would agree with. but i think we have a long way before we get there. these ballots are a horror show. they found six ballots in office yesterday in a garbage can.

they were trumped ballots. eight ballots in an office yesterday. when we find eight ballots, that's emblematic of thousands of locations, perhaps. >> harris: so, you know, this issue is heating up to the point where leader mcconnell, just a short time ago it, tweeted, "the winner of the terrific inauguration will be on june 30th. there will be an orderly transition as there has been every four years since 1792." i come to you, richard, because it's ballooned to transition of power, how peaceful that could go. all this gets lumped together, as emily pointed out, just flailing until that happens. >> richard: for sure. there's a couple things here. first, let's deal with the first story, the idea of the supreme court justice.

i'm very clear right about this. it looks like donald trump will likely get a third nominee to the bench. let's put that on the shelf and do with misinformation by this president. he continues to tell the american people that there's going to be fraud in this election. he gave no cite, he just sort of made a claim. where there is no new story or actual facts attached to it. number two and more importantly, even though we always vote on election day, it takes weeks after the election day for a state to certify the election. sometimes up until thanksgiving states work to certify the election, then they get the electors to come to the state capital and actually vote for the presence of the united states. this idea or this notion that we always resolve elections on election day is actually quite false. there are predictions made on election day of who wins what state, but it takes weeks and weeks after that for all of the votes to be counted. you have to count absentee, military votes. you have to count provisional

ballots. donald trump is continuing to put out a lot of this information for the american people to scare them into not voting. the truth of the matter is it won't come down to the supreme court, this election like every election in america will come down to the american people expressing their democratic right and voting in this upcoming election. >> harris: katie, a response? >> katie: well, i think we should point out that it was hillary clinton just a couple of weeks ago who said that joe biden should not concede the presidential race under any circumstance, which means that she doesn't think he should concede the race. the question about who is going to be the winner will be decided by voters. i hope it is a decisive vote in every single swing state across the country so we can avoid going to the supreme court. it's also important to point out, as critics say president trump is rushing to fill the supreme court seat to somehow win an election, it was ruth bader ginsburg who also said there should be nine

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>> melissa: florida's attorney general asking the fbi and state law enforcement to

investigate michael bloomberg, the former democratic presidential hopeful is reportedly donating millions of dollars to help pay outstanding fines for convicted felons in florida so they can vote on election day. state attorney general ashley moody explaining her decision this morning. >> we have to have trust in our elections process. it is essential to a strong, stable democracy. when you hear words like "targeting certain voters, investing and adding to a particular column," that doesn't matter what party it is. that triggers florida law. under florida law you cannot directly or indirectly give anything of value to persuade or entice a vote. >> melissa: florida voters in 2018 approved a constitutional amendment that restores the right to vote for felons not convicted of murder or sex crimes. but state lawmakers later passed additional legislation requiring those felons to pay any remaining fines before they can

head to the polls. emily, i want to start with you, because i didn't realize, not being a lawyer, until you explained to us that it's not about paying someone to vote a certain way, it's just about exchanging something of value in exchange for someone to vote, period. given that that's the law, this seems pretty straightforward that michael bloomberg can't do this. wouldn't someone have advised him of that? >> emily: right, so e.g. moody is correct that, in light of bloomberg's comments, it is extremely suspicious. i should say his comments obviously based on a certain assumption as well that certain people will vote a certain way, which is kind of part of a continuing pattern on many democratic candidates and surrogates. let me just explain really quickly about the florida rights restoration coalition. this nonprofit was founded by a convicted felon. before that law that you mentioned, how the 11th circuit upheld the requirement for felons to clear court debts

before they can exercise that restored right to vote, they had amassed $4 million in donations, including by other celebrities and athletes, et cetera. their argument is, if you are saying bloomberg is violating the law, so, too, are these 44,000 other donors. so, too, is everyone else. but the distinction here is his comments. that's why it's been referred to the sec and the fbi and more. it's up to the courts to determine whether it's a thing of value exchanged. >> melissa: okay. i guess, richard, does it make you uncomfortable to see rich people throwing around money in an election to influence certain outcomes? we see it all the time in both parties. i want to be clear. but is this the american system at work? you can do what you want with your money? or does it wreak of privilege?

>> richard: i will argue that we have so much money in our politics. but those of the rules. let's delineate that. millions of americans who have served their time, they have served their debt to society. they formed a nonprofit organization and they battled and fought to get an amendment on the ballot to make sure the right to vote was restored. the people in florida agreed with that. the state legislature decided to make it harder for these individuals to vote, by forcing them to pay all their fees, which i sort of equate to a poll tax. even though the people of florida say you have the right to vote, they create another burden for you to vote. and then they said, "we are going to raise money, because many of these folks formerly incarcerated can't afford the fees." totaling thousands of dollars in court fees. the nonprofit community, philanthropists like bloomberg, came in to ensure that these folks have the right to vote. not vote democrat, not vote republican, but just have the right to vote because they're a

member of our society. if you believe in the first step act, if you believe in criminal justice reform, you should also believe that everybody who served their debt to society should be restored to our community and have the right to vote in our democracy. that's what this is about and that's what bloomberg is working for. >> melissa: okay, okay. i would say though i don't think it's intellectual he honest, here is, to say this is what the argument is about. because michael bloomberg did not say that until this point in time. in the original group when we were talking about this, it would be different. but it was intellectually dishonest to say michael bloomberg is doing this because he thinks convicted felons should be able to vote and it has nothing to do with this election. the timing doesn't speak to that. what are your thoughts, areas? the one i would have two questions for both sides of the issue. one, why did the bar get raised for people who have been in prison and obviously didn't have jobs to pay off fines, then immediately have to pay them before that vote?

or has that always been the expectation? my question for the bloomberg side would be, why wouldn't you think they would be some sort of "thank you very much for paying those fines," just as if 70 paid off your house, do them a solid. why wouldn't he want them to vote the way he wants them to vote? i don't understand that the mike way that would be. i have a lot of questions. >> melissa: we are just minutes away from the white house press briefing on this busy news day. we will take you there just as soon as it starts. is that net carbs or total?...

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personalities, values and abilities. for good or ill, they say they don't protest anywhere near the same information about mister biden that leaves him with more to gain and more to lose. richard, what is your expectation for joe biden on tuesday? >> look, i think joe biden is going to do a good job. at think if you go to his website you'll see he's outline many of the plans and how he would move the country forward. i think this election and the debate will come down to having a conversation about healthcare in this country. donald trump continues to tell the american people that he's going to offer a healthcare pla that would protect pre-existing conditions, but we haven't seen that plan, we don't know what that plan looks like, we don't know his metrics on how he plan to ensure that conditions get covered. joe biden has the contrary he says he wants to expand on the affordable care act which is th vehicle that allows folks to ge the healthcare they needed and this is going to be interesting to watch. i think they will be watching i

this afternoon. president biden risked alienating a number of voters who remember the devastating effects obama care had on their premiums, their healthcare plans , which we're canceled by the millions at the time in people's insurance going up in price rather than down which wa promised by the obama and biden administration. >> i think everybody has been a disaster on healthcare. democrats think it will help them because it help them in th last cycle, but since i've come in and taken over control of th house and everything else, nothing has gotten better. now we have two candidates on the stage he will both have mad promises and tried their hand a healthcare. frankly, they both failed. i think what will be interestin to watch as the fact that chris wallace doesn't let anyone get away with anything.

he is going to follow-up and he is going to pin these folks down , and he's going to have done his homework. let the lord be with him is all i have to say. >> emily, president trump and the term campaign have really downplayed that expectations fo joe biden at this point they call him sleepy joe, say he's not all there, but is that a risk because it sets the bar so low. >> i think it might have been a risk and messaging, but i think it will certainly display and speak for itself and voters wil make that decision on their own. i see the biggest risk here for biden is that he is unable to keep up with trump both mentall and physically in that it runs the risk of the curtain being pulled back and reviewing the stark contrast between his moderate talking points in his progressive left policies. certainly at the hands of chris wallace. if anyone can bring it out he can. >> we will all certainly be

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