's debate, we've got great guests coming up on sunday. i can't believe right around the corner. >> trace: i'll be watching. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> melissa: fox news alert, the attorney for the family of breonna taylor is speaking a short time ago in louisville, demanding transparency after a grand jury failed to directly charge police in taylor skilli skilling. >> did he make a unilateral decision to put his thumb on the scale? we are standing here today, united in solidarity, declarant and demanded that he release the transcript of the grand jury proceeding. >> melissa: that comes after a

second night of protests rattled the city last night. louisville police declared an unlawful assembly and arrested at least two dozen people, including a kentucky lawmaker. officers say protesters broke windows and damaged city buses and tried to set fires. protests also turned chaotic and other major cities. in portland, oregon, vandals set fire at the police union building. in seattle, several trash cans set on fire as protesters set up a barricade on one street. in los angeles, two separate incidents of cars plowing through crowds of demonstrators last night. a pickup truck appeared to hit one protester, before taking off. the driver was later arrested. in another incident, a white car going through mergers who surrounding the vehicle. a pickup truck filled with people later chasing that car attacked it, trying to force the driver out. this is "outnumbered" and i'm

melissa francis. here today is harris faulkner. host of "kennedy" on the fox business network, kennedy. executive director of serve america pac and fox news contributor, marie harf. joining us today, fox news analyst and host of "one nation" on fox nation, lawrence jones. lawrence, i will start with you. the video of these cars and of these incidents has been all over the web and all over social media this morning. what do you make of it? >> it's tragic. i think that it is evident that the local leaders have no control of their community. i really want to go back in time for a second, because i believe it's important to look at all of this in context. when this first started after the george floyd death, and he was not the first one, but the one that really got the country's attention. we were in the middle of the

pandemic. the way people looked at it was different, they saw certain abuses take place, and it really got the country talking about different reforms that needed to happen in policing as well as in our criminal justice system. a lot of us civil libertarians had them talking about this with both parties for a while. but then cities started to burn. it is reflective in the polling that the support for the movement is much different. now, i've been on the ground reporting on it. i realize that there are bad actors involved that come out at night. it is incumbent on those in the movement, as well as the local leaders, to weed them out. they have not been weeding them out. back two years ago, i started reporting on antifa in portland, oregon. they didn't just show up during the black lives matter movement. they had been there for a while. they used this moment where they had the entire country's

attention, and many people of color were experiencing pain and started to have this national conversation, because they could not get support for their movement, they took advantage of this movement to have their own agenda. there are other bad actors, we know who they are, but it doesn't seem like the cops on the ground have been empowered to arrest those people. i think you look at no one but the local leadership. >> melissa: yeah. you mentioned the poll so i want to bring it up. this is the new survey which finds that 44% of americans disapprove of protests in response to police violence against black americans. 39% approve. back in june, 54% approved of the protest. marie, i will ask you, what is the answer to lawrence's questions? if you look at those on the

screen right now, it says that americans are getting frustrated with the protests. i would imagine, in part, because of the violence and the looting and the destruction that we are seeing. so, why can't -- why aren't we able to separate out those who are causing physical damage and causing chaos from those who are legitimately protesting, since we are all made o motivated to ? nobody wants violence and obviously they are there for alleging that reasons, they don't want their such co-opted by the violence. how do we route out that eleme element? >> marie: melissa, it's really difficult to do. we should keep in mind that there were dozens of protests across the country about the breonna taylor decision that we are peaceful, that don't make for good tv. we need families of these

victims, protest leaders to keep standing up and saying, "be peaceful, do not be violent, this does not represent us." also, yes, media coverage of the violent parts, which is important, and they should not happen, but also coverage of the pain and fear and heartbreak that these peaceful protesters are going through. it is not always good tv, it's not always as interesting to the media, but it's really important and we should also focus on that. as we look overall is what's going on in cities here. >> melissa: just before he came on the air i watched breonna taylor's lawyer give a really impassioned speech. i think there is a lot of coverage of the sincere pain that's out there. what do you think would help in this situation to quell the violence that no one wants to see? >> harris: i do want to also mention sea sean hannity's workn that, and our very own lawrence jones who joins us today.

he's done so much of showing us that pain, sean has, and so has lawrence with his reporting. if you guys will allow me, i want to share some of my time with lawrence. is there fear on the street that drives a person of color from not identifying who is actually in the neighborhood doing this? and is not a fair question? because, yes, there are insurgents that come from other states. we know that. we knew that in ferguson and we've known that in a lot of areas. the box trucks open up, we've got some video this week. i believe it was from axios. it might have been townhall.com. anyway, we have the video. the big board signs and everything coming out, and that is protesting. when the lights go out and it is 3:00 in the morning and people start to pop off and do violent things, of the neighbors who live there, the small business owners who live there, who might be able to turn a flashlight on and identify a neighbor or two -- not an insurgent coming

from another state. we will have to depend on the federal authorities in some position to do that, lawrence, to help the local authorities investigate who some of these people are. but what keeps those people in that neighborhood from saying, "yeah, that was sue and steve," or, "that was blah, blah, blah, she lives down the block." i remember my grandmother grew up in texarkana and she used to tell me, "a lot of things exist in certain areas, harass, because the people who could change our afraid to speak up." what are your thoughts? >> lawrence: i think you hit it on the head. there's already a fractured relationship between the community and the police to begin with. they are not going directly to the police to say, "these are the bad actors." i've been on the ground and see them tell the anarchists to stop this. again, these people have their own agenda. they're going to do what they want to do. in many cases, in prior protests

i've been in, there's normally undercover officers that are also merging with the protests to be able to disseminate who is out there doing the violence, and then another unit comes in and swiftly moves to take those people out of the protests. now, you make an interesting point, harris. when we see this is at night. during the day, normally it is pretty peaceful. but at night time where the bad actors come on the streets and take advantage of it. >> harris: take the cover of darkness. >> lawrence: that's exactly right. again, harris, this is more orchestrated than people give credit to. when you start having u-haul trucks pull up with signs and swinging bats, that's organized crimes. >> harris: that's what i said. the federal authorities have got to step in. but i am specifically also talking about not just the rioting that we've seen but also that black on black crime.

chicago, 39 people shot last weekend. it's friday. my heart just breaks as to what is going to happen next in chicago alone. they moved in resources when louisville's indictment was coming down. chicago really didn't have anything to do with louisville, and was that really protesting or was that something else? >> lawrence: as you know, harris, i always talk about the three buckets we have to cover. when the state abuses its power, we have to go after the state and make sure they have due process to defend themselves. but when people and communities go against their own in the communities, you got to talk about that. also, when people in the community go after law enforcement in an unjust way, like shooting at them when they are there to keep everybody safe. all of those issues matter, and none of them should be prioritized over the others. >> melissa: okay, let me ask kennedy something quickly before we run out of time. i don't want to get in the way the conversation, because that

was great. kennedy, the one thing we've mentioned was the attorney for breonna taylor's family. saying that he wants the grand jury transcript released. i wonder about that, he wants to know if that attorney general put his finger on the scale of justice, because the ag said he was taking his cue from the grand jury, and they were trying to lead a group of peers decide which charges should be brought. the argument against that is that these people have agreed to do this in secrecy so that they wouldn't be afraid for their lives or retribution later. what do you think about the idea of seeing that transcript? >> kennedy: i think, ultimately, the most important thing is exposing the transcript and the grand jurors could put them at risk, especially in cities like this, where you have such an emotional environment.

the ag is one of the few people who is trying to actually calm emotions and give an explanation, and here is a case, you might have protocol that is not in the best interest of the population, and that is when you need to be a reform. rand paul authored the justice for breonna taylor act to end no-knock warrants. there is some dispute as to whether the police knocked, but it in fact was no-knock warrant. you have a climate that has to be reformed, and i think that's the most important thing, to look a little bit longer term so incidents like this don't happen again. part of that piece of legislation is, if there are jurisdictions that are taking federal money, if they continue with no-knock warrants, they won't receive those funds. i think that is one of the really -- this is actually one of the few cases where you can see change based on a few

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>> harris: president trump is set to announce his u.s. supreme court nominee tomorrow, saturday, 5:00 p.m. eastern, from the white house. we may learn whether he plans to go all in on florida or fire up the social conservatives in his

base just weeks before the election. the choice is likely to come down to two contenders. judge amy coney barrett, a favorite among conservatives, judge barbara lagoa, the first cuban-american woman on florida supreme court. whomever the president nominates, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is defending the decision to move ahead on filling justice ruth bader ginsburg's seat before the election. watch. >> we can't pick and choose when big decisions are foisted upon us by things we didn't anticipate, like the untimely death of justice ginsburg. who, by the way, had a spectacular career and was an inspiration to millions of americans. but the election is no reason to dodge our responsibility and not go forward with a well-qualified nominee. which i anticipate we are going to get saturday afternoon. >> harris: kennedy, i don't think it was necessarily a shocker that president trump would have his list.

in fact, we already knew some of those people on the list from the last go around. i don't think it was a shocker that he would try to do this. i mean, is within his constitutional right to do so, to move forward. was the timing perhaps complicated by the fact that it happened so quickly after the justice's death? what do you think has been the political sort of lightning rod in all of this aside from the fact that he gets to pick a justice nominee? >> kennedy: harris, there are so many lightning rods, it's as if the political narrative was crafted by almighty zeus himself atop mount olympus. it's hard to say. the only thing we know is it's not going to come down anytime soon, because there are already democrat senators who are -- the nominee has not yet been named, and they are already refusing to meet with this person. that is an abdication of duty. i think it's really important, if you're talking about a lifetime appointment, if you

have concerns, be an adult and raise them. have the conversation with the person who will potentially be on the court for decades. whatever they are. this is not just about abortion and obamacare and senators from both parties, especially those who sit on the judiciary committee, they know this, and they have -- this is a really critical moment to flesh out this person's position, their past writings, and what they might do in terms of future cases. >> harris: look, chief of staff mark meadows, marie, was on with me yesterday on "over time." he said, "if democrats have already decided they don't want to talk to this nominee, why don't we expedite this whole thing and just get to the nomination/confirmation? let's push this on through." why wouldn't democrats want to take the opportunity to talk with her? we know it's going to be a woman. the president said that. we don't know which of them. is this about march 2016, and

merrick garland, when republicans did the same thing? is this vengeance, or something else? >> marie: well, its consistency. republicans refused to meet with merrick garland in an election year, but way earlier in an election year. it was so rich to hear mitch mcconnell say that it's a constitutional duty. he didn't do his constitutional duty in 2016. but that's all water under the bridge, harris. i think democrats should meet with whoever the nominee is, and i think that some will, but i think they should keep pointing out that, when republicans had a chance to do the right thing, they didn't. it is about health care, it is about women's health. donald trump is politically in a tough place here in some ways. not all of his supporters from 2016 are pro-life. about a third, depending on the numbers you look at, are actually pro-choice or support roe v. wade being upheld. while his base certainly wants roe v. wade to be taken off of judicial precedent, and while

you hear senators like josh hawley really pushing that for what they are looking for, a lot of voters out there, a majority of voters in the country overall, support abortion being legal. you are going to see donald trump, i think, trying to walk that line. maybe not triple down in the same way he has before about appointing someone who would definitely overturn roe v. wade. he would be interesting to see how he addresses this tomorrow in the announcement. >> harris: i was reading this morning that there are some democrats who lawrence would want to look at term limits for. particularly, if the president and republicans go ahead with this. what do you think about that? >> lawrence: well, i would think they'd learned their lesson about changing the rules, because this is why we are here right now. if the rules have changed in 2013, the rules, not just precedent, just rules being changed, then we wouldn't have this battle. it seems like democrats are setting themselves up to make

yet another mistake. part of why this is going so fast, and i think judge barrett is probably going to be the nominee. the president was saving her for this moment, and that's why things are moving quickly. i will say something about the time. these hearings, although i respect tradition, most of the talking goes on behind closed doors, where the nominee gets to meet with the senators individually. when they have that hearing, that becomes theater. i think that is a waste of the american people's time. if there is real questions to be asked, have those one-on-one conversations. decide where you're going to vote. with respect to merrick garland, i understand democrats are upset about this. at the end of the day, they would have voted on him, the nomination wouldn't have gone through. i kind of appreciate them not wasting our time through the theater, even though they knew at the end of the day they weren't going to vote for him. >> harris: boy, you hit the nail on the head when you were

talking about just -- and i'll paraphrase it now, the circus atmosphere of all of this. melissa, politicians, and both sides of the aisle are guilty of this, they never miss an opportunity to do a little showboating if they think they can put some christmas lights on that boat. >> melissa: oh, absolutely. they also don't miss a chance to be a hypocrite for their own political betterment. we know everybody is not making a decision on principle. it's all about what's best for them and their political party, and what they want to achieve. i would also say, to marie's point, that some of those people who support president trump who are not antiabortion probably understand, like so many legal scholars do, that, at this point, it is established law. the idea that someone's going to come along and tilt the court and overturn roe v. wade is not terribly likely. >> harris: all right, we'll move on. president trump calling joe biden "low-energy" over over his lighter campaign schedule.

but polling shows the democratic nominee still has an edge in some key states. so, does biden need to pick up the pace, or is that sort of, you know, kind of laid-back style working for him? we will get into it. ♪

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>> melissa: time for some headlines.

dr. anthony fauci warns the u.s. is still in its first wave of coronavirus infections, saying we should prepare for the "challenge" of fall and winter. the federal judge ruled thursday that the census must continue counting for another month after the census bureau sought to finish up by the end of september. the judge said a shorter schedule would likely provide inaccurate results. the justice department launching an inquiry into a northeastern pennsylvania county after it found nine military ballots were "discarded." seven of the ballots had been cast for president trump. the doj did not explain what it meant by "discarded." some election experts say they are confused by the lack of details and the department revealing the candidate voters chose on those ballots. a very busy day on the campaign trail for president trump. the president wrapping up a roundtable with latino voters in florida just moments ago.

he is now gearing up to depart for atlanta, after a visit there he will host a fund-raiser at the trump hotel in washington, before closing out the day with a rally in virginia. after that -- i'm exhausted just reading that -- last night, jacksonville, florida, he took a shot at his 2020 rival, joe biden, who held zero public campaign events yesterday. >> supposing he never campaigns and he wins, you know how badly i'm going to feel? i'm working hard! you've got to work hard. i said it today, we cannot have a low energy individual as our president. we can't. [cheers and applause] and he is the lowest energy individual have ever seen. i've ever seen. >> melissa: "the new york post" also calling out biden with the front page reading, "after another day of hidin', help us find biden."

my kids are still having fun with it. the editorial board writing they deserve to hear more from the man who wants to be president, and who is willing and able to find tougher questioning. despite all that, biden still leads polls and some key states. new fox poll shows him leading president trump by 11 points in nevada. seven points in pennsylvania, and five points in ohio. lawrence, i want to start with you. late at night, when we are watching what's going on, so often you are there in person. i joke with my family that it is exhausting for reporters to try and keep up with president trump. it's exhausting for anybody. today, for example, he is flying all over the place and getting home just before midnight. what is that like? is it as strenuous a schedule as it sounds like? >> it is a tough schedule. it's exhausting on the body, and i can only imagine being on the plane back and forth and still

being the leader of the free world. i don't just follow president trump, i followed joe biden, as well. so often we don't get to see him, though, talking with his supporters outside. it seems to me, just being out there, that he has made a calculated decision -- or his campaign has -- to keep some distance between him and the press, and him and his supporters, which is a turn of events, because joe biden was once known as the greatest retail politician. i think, for him, his asset is what he gives to talk to people and connect with them on a personal level. they decided not to do that, and i think it's really going to hurt him. there is a way to do this. either you're doing outdoor events were you wearing masks, checking temperatures, or he could do some politicking, going door-to-door, social distancing, talking with voters. they don't want to do that. he's also not agreed to really

tough interviews, which is very problematic. for example, he's going to be speaking with our colleague, chris wallace, for a debate. he's not going to know how chris operates, because he didn't sit down with chris. the president did. if you're not used to that style, which he's tough on everyone, i think it's going to be problematic when he tries to prevent in the middle of the debate, and chris nails him down as he kneels everyone down. >> melissa: okay. although, i mean, he's been a politician for 47 years. he's been on the debate stage a million times now. he has done 12 billion interviews in his life, because he's been in politics for almost 50 years. i don't know, he's had a lot of practice. marie, what about that first point? the idea that he is someone known as a great retail politician and, for whatever reason, he is not going out there. do you think that hurts him, that he's not able to do that thing that he is known to be good at? >> marie: he is certainly not

doing big rallies like donald trump, where people mostly are not wearing masks and are not socially distance. but he is getting out to swing states. he was in north carolina, he's been to wisconsin, to a number of other swing states over the past few weeks. joe biden is going to maine, kamala harris has been traveling, as well. they are getting out there and getting local press coverage, but he's not going to do big events because it's not the responsible thing to do. and look, i would point out that, yes, donald trump speaks more publicly, but that doesn't always help him. he ends up saying things in those rallies when he is egged on by the crowd that we know from polling hurts him, particularly with those swing independent voters that he needs in this election, melissa. >> melissa: okay. that was a dodge. you didn't answer my question if you think it's going to hurt him that he's not out there pressing the flesh. >> marie: i did answer your question, i said he actually is out there. he's out there. he's not not out there, he's just not doing big rallies.

>> lawrence: he's not. >> melissa: he is? okay. he said he stuck into local press, and we were talking about talking to real people. kennedy, let me ask you, president trump -- suppose he never campaigns, and he wins. "do you know how badly i'm going to feel? i'm working hard, so you have to work hard." is a very interesting tact he takes with his supporters who show up at these rallies and scream, "we love you, we love you" to him. he's saying, "look how hard i'm working, my feelings will be so hurt if i don't win. you need to go out and work hard just like me, which means regarding your friends to the polls and doing the grassroots stuff." that's an approach that works with people that are already so fired up that they are at these rallies. what do you think about that? will that be successful? >> kennedy: for them, it is. for the people who are already the president's supporters, it is. he has a connection with them that you cannot manufacture and

you cannot buy. that is one of the intangibles here in the election. this is something that hillary clinton trumpeted at the end of 2016, during the presidential race then. she said, "we have more money and we've got a better ground game," which they did, but that didn't help them. the president is emulating that, and they are knocking on millions of doors. we will see if that is one of the things that will slay voters, even silently, toward his column when they actually either go out and vote or mail in votes. it takes a lot of energy and effort to be president of the united states. it takes an enormous amount of stamina, and joe biden needs to show that he's got that. that's crucial right now. >> melissa: all right, i'm getting the big wrap. the first presidential debate just days away, and we will have you covered right here on fox before the president and joe biden face off on tuesday night. we have special coverage sunday all day long and then bret and

martha take the reins at 10:00 p.m. eastern. on debate night, a full slate of your favorite shows before and after the big showdown. the pregame starting at 6:00 p.m. eastern, taking you right up to the debate, moderated by our very own chris wallace. we can't wait. in the meantime, senate judiciary chair lindsey graham says he is mad and warns that some people should be very worried over the latest revelations on the origins of the trump-russia probe. details next. ♪ c)

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in state. the u.s. capitol is what we look at now, and those are the east front doors. we are told now off-camera they are moving casket to this point, then they will bring that casket down the steps and she will be greeted one last time by senate leadership and the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, as the casket is escorted to the base of the east front steps. they will pay their respects, staff is going to be that ceremony from the grassy areas, which, from this preview right now, will be off-camera. just so you know that that will be happening. this, again, significant, historically. justice ginsburg had so many moments like that in her life, and now she has one of those moments posthumously as she becomes the first woman to lie in state at the u.s. capitol, the first jewish woman to lie in state at the u.s. capitol, and there have been so many ways to

remember her in the recent days. particularly on this day, since this morning. for right now, the ginsburg family, i can tell you, will be escorted outside the capitol via the memorial door. the deputy sergeants at arms will be positioned outside the vehicles to observe the casket being carried down, as i said that they would. these are the east center steps. her casket will be led by the sergeant at arms. it will be transferred, as i mentioned, off-camera from statuary hall to this point. that is what's happening now outside our purview. as we await and watch this scene, i want to ask kennedy. i know all mics are open now, "outnumbered" continues. kennedy, you brought me to tears the other day when you talked about how you hoped ginsburg inspired you to teach your daughters -- and she had

inspired you -- to love something with so much passion that you would spend your life fulfilling that to make a difference for others. >> kennedy: i really feel that way. i know that you and melissa both have daughters, as well, and it is such an amazing thing to look back at when ruth bader ginsburg actually entered law school. she was one of very few people in her class, first at harvard and then at columbia. she was a mom when she entered law school. imagine what she had on her plate. still fighting for equality, working within academia, and learning her craft so she could apply that over a lifetime. she was considered a little bit more moderate when she was appointed by bill clinton 27 years ago, and she became part of the liberal wing and beloved by liberals and progressives for her decisions and dissents.

of course, she has become a pop-culture icon in her latter years, and her passing really leaves a mark, but i think it's also one of those moments where we can sit and reflect on someone's life and their accomplishments regardless of what that has to do with political philosophy, and really appreciate where she started. this incredible ending place for her. >> harris: a last journey now, as i had described, the casket would be let out by the sergeants at arms, to this east center front door. it now will come down the steps, and, to pay last respects, the speaker of the house, the senate leadership, escorted to those front steps, as well. we may choose to lower my mic and watch this as the procession get started. let this moment just take time

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>> harris: and we, of course, have been watching justice ruth bader ginsburg's casket come down those east front door and center steps, halfway to the hearse now that will be part of the motorcade to depart the rounds. a beautiful ceremony earlier today. she, of the jewish faith, was honored by the rabbi at one point singing a song in hebrew that refers to calling from the depths. as we entered this next chapter of high holy days on the jewish calendar, with yom kippur of course right in the center of this, because rosh hashanah, the new year, was just a few days ago. with the further significance of her journey, as an american, as

a woman, as a jewish woman, made at this time on the high holy day calendar in her face faith. beautiful words of memories we've seen. i know the "outnumbered" team here with me today has had their own. marie harf, i come to you with your thoughts. >> marie: harris, it really feels like we are living for a moment of generational change. the people, the icons in our country who fought for women's rights, civil rights, and helped us and the cold war, we have done this too many times over the past few years. ruth bader ginsburg, john lewis, john mccain, george h.w. bush. think about the people we have sat together on this sometimes now virtual couch together and memorialized. icons, giants of american history, and ruth bader ginsburg being the least of those we

remember today, for so many americans but, i think, particularly for women. knowing how our lives have been directly impacted by the things she fought for. being able to open credit cards on our own. being able to be pregnant while having jobs. basic things we all take for granted today that she brought to us. and i know so many people on this show and across the country today are remembering those same earth shattering things at the time that she did, harris. >> harris: we watched the flag of the u.s. state capitol. i was speaking with our correspondent and senior producer for so many years. we see them on the air so much more now, chad pergram. he told me there only a few times in history you seen this flag lowered and raised that the u.s. capitol. today being one of those days for ruth bader ginsburg, justice of the u.s. supreme court. i was reading earlier, lawrence,

and we have just a few moments here, that today was the swearing in four sandra day o'connor decades ago on this very day, the first woman to serve. and now we say goodbye to justice ginsburg. always sort of those touch points, reminding us, like a tap on the shoulder, the connection point. >> lawrence: yes, this has been a tough year. we lost a lot of greats. the one thing i think that we should take to heart is she defended her point of view to the end, but she was able to still be civil with the other side. i think today, with so much chaos, you can hold a point of view but you can be civil, break bread, have a good time, go back the next day, and defend your ideas the next day. >> harris: amen. >> lawrence: i think that's the ending of that legacy. >> harris: all right, we're going to take a short break.

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>> melissa: thank you to everyone out there. have a fantastic weekend. before that, check out harris faulkner, next. ♪ >> harris: the late justice ruth bader ginsburg's casket left the u.s. capitol moments ago. we watched this live together. she was the first woman, the first jewish person to lie in state inside the u.s. capitol. she was in statuary hall. moments ago, the scene of her casket being brought down the east front center steps. she would join the motorcade. her casket there. "outnumbered overtime" now, i'm harris faulkner. joe biden and kamala harris joined lawmakers at ginsburg's family in morning the