♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ hello america i'm mark levin. this is life, liberty and levin. we have the secretary of state mike pompeo. how are you sir. >> i'm great. thanks for having me on. >> thanks for inviting us. we needed a bigger room. >> it's beautiful. it's a beautiful place. i have the privilege to meet

with foreign dignitaries who come here and show them real american glory in a special space. the american people have been most generous. this looks glorious people walk away understanding america is pretty special. mark: it's fantastic. i want to start off this way, what is the trump foreign policy and how is it different from biden foreign policy? >> that's a central question. we been working on this for three and half years. the power to get to the core of what president trump thanks about the world he comes back to how he campaigned. he campaigned on america first making sure we had our ground here in the united states and there's prosperity and security for the american people. he made sure we have basic human rights. when we do those things, we do them well it goes to the benefit of the entire world. i think you can see the impact of that. it's a foreign policy that is grounded in the deep sense of realism, principled realism that says we have to take the

facts as they are and not as we wish them to be. if i were to contrast with the previous ministration, they took the central tenants of foreign-policy here in washington for 30 or 40 years and they began their analysis. we looked at this fresh and new and said. [inaudible] [inaudible] foreign policy, exercising power only when it was going to achieve a good and some of those are very different ideas and when you had to have seen in the revia's administration and those before it as well. we stare around the world after three and half years and whether it's the middle east or the efforts to confront the chinese communist party, you can see coalition of

like-minded freedom loving people around the world to join president trump and america in the way we are thinking about keeping the world safe. mark: do you think the media understand this quest mark. you see the progress we've made in the middle east and china, even in our own hemisphere we've changed direction for the nation. the administration, the president build up the united states military, the peace through strength notion that reagan had as well. they use a lot of economic muscle rather than military muscle to try to advance the ball for the american cause. do you think the media understand this? >> i can't tell you if they understand it. if they do it's difficult to see to the american people and how they watch the accomplishments. i could take on half a dozen as we said, the strike against soleimani to change the middle east, the economic power we

have used to influence our powers to be partners with our friends and to deny partners with the regime that sits in iran. nato is stronger as a direct result as what president trump in our team have done. they have refused to share that with the american people. i travel a little here in the united states and i do that because i think it's really important that the american people understand what it is the trump administration is doing and how are doing it and how it makes their lives better. it's easy for someone in kansas, where i'm from or wisconsin, this matters in their lives for us to get this right and president trump has grabbed the right end of the stick on these problems and made america more prosperous and benefited the world by doing that. we don't hear that story of erie often in the traditional media outlets, the washington post or the new york times, wherever it may be but i'm confident they will come to see the world is safer in the

lives are more secure as a result of what president has done and our military will be able to use its authority and power and might only where it's in america's best interest and we won't spend so much energy having them engage in places where the benefit isn't best. >> you travel a lot, all over the world, you not only meet foreign representatives but you see the united states military in action, you landed on a lot of u.s. bases, you speak to a lot of personnel, there's an effort underway to try to paint the president of the united states as antimilitary and it's shocking to me. i know him, you know him, he adores the military. as you go around the world and you see our military personnel, are they proud of this country, proud of this president, proud to see you?

>> absolutely. every day, always. all had to sue debate in greece to see more of our armed forces. i am confident they will welcome this is ministration in the way were thinking about this. let me give you another example where there's been a media narrative. i was the nominee to be the director of the central intelligence agency just before the inauguration back in januar january. the storyline is he despises them, he doesn't trust them, the soon to be cia director, that should be the first thing you do. literally the day after he was inaugurated we went out to the cia headquarters. hundreds and hundreds, on a saturday morning of intelligence officials came out and cheered this president because he knew he was going to select a cia director that was going to give them the authority to do what it is

they needed to do to perform their mission. that's what these young patriots, some of them have been at it a little longer. that's what they want. they join the intelligence community and the military to go use their power for the american people. if we were going to do it we're going to do it well with all the energy they deserved and support to do that. i think they saw that on that saturday morning back in the cold day in january and i think they've seen every day since. >> it has always amazed me that the obama biden administration/the united states military and didn't have a lot of nice things to say about the military or as you say america first and somehow the narrative has been turned on its head that they were promilitary and this president is not and i see quite the opposite. once the greatest threat we face. is it the communist chinese regime right now. >> the greatest external

threat is over medium and long term and it's the threat by the regime in china today. and from what i read in you deal with it firsthand, their aggressive on all fronts, the cultural front really buy into our universities, they steal our proprietary information and our technology, they as spies throughout this country and technological efforts that are made you can see them geopolitically in our own hemisphere, southeast asia and the south china sea, the massively building up their military. you see this, the presidencies this, what have you done, what has the president done to confront this. >> a lot. the first thing we spent time doing was getting our house in order. we were pushing back against 50 years of u.s. policy with respect to china. kissinger had gone to beijing

back in the 50s. if we just did more business with them and open up they will become less hostile was the thought. that failed. the president talked about that as early as 2015 during his campaign. we began to build out the state department and department of defense, all the levers of economic power that the u.s. can bring to bear a strategy that would begin to cease the appeasement, the turn the other cheek. every country would have the same rules and then there would be rules for china and we've undid that paired with flipped the switch on that so i could give you lots of tactical examples but maybe the most important is that we've shown a light, the first step in every 12 step program is to recognize you have a problem and i have traveled the world making sure every nation understands that this is a problem that is not between the united states and china.

this is a challenge to make sure the next entry is not the chinese century. it's not the sentry covered by oppressive regimes but those that believe in the rule of law and order and liberty and national sovereignty has her core foundations. we've made real progress. you can see it from africa to southeast asia, you can see those countries recognizing the threat that is close to their freedom and liberty and sovereignty. we have not begun to build out this global coalition to push back. it will take years. we sat on this for five decades. it will take years but i believe we've turned the tide in terms of recognition of threat that this regime presents. to think they understood the threat of communist china. >> no. mark: so you basically had to

reverse course. >> yes. remember they talked about the pivot to asia, i will say when i traveled through the region and i asked him to tell me what the practical impacts of that were what you saw on the ground, privately they chuckled. there is nothing behind it. it was rhetorical. it actually done it. you can see in this pacific fleet and how are diplomats in the region operate and you can see actual activity to support the objectives the president has laid out. >> when we come back i want to ask you about iran. that has been a threat and a thorn in the side of this country for decades. what has this is ministration decided to do, what are the last administration decide to do and how effective is it? we'll be right back if your gums bleed when you brush you may have gingivitis. and the clock could be ticking towards bad breath, receding gums and possibly tooth loss. help turn back the clock on gingivitis with parodontax.

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speed. mark: , the regime in iran is a vicious bureaucratic regime. as i understand it the way they operate, even though they claim to be these fundamentalists, and i'm sure they are, it's really a thug operation the way they divide their industry, the way they divide the country

geographically, it's almost run like the mom. is that your impression too? >> 40 years now, the largest world state sponsor of terror is driven by the ayatollah, but on top of that it's a clu kleptocratic regime where these senior leaders deny basic economic rights to their people, economic conditions in thislamic republic of iran are truly tragic but the leaders, the parliamentarians, the senior leaders of the irg see, external operating forces, they all lived pretty nicely. they've stolen a lot of wealth and polluted the political fifth because they know one day when the regime ultimately goes the way that all regimes like this do, they meld only to fall back on something and they've secured their own

wealth and freedom and denied that same set of rights to their own people. it's truly tragic. mark: i've never understood how this iran deal under or obama, biden, carey was celebrated. you're giving $150 billion to the enemy, almost $2 billion in cash under the cover of darkness with an unmarked plane, without the approval of congress. it is a regime that has killed americans, it killed americans in the iraq war, it kidnapped americans, it is a regime that is that war with the world and is building a terrorist operation with has blood and others, once icbm put nuclear warheads on it so they can reach scandalous in washington d.c., not so much tel aviv, there looking at us, and then this deal, it was like don't touch this deal, this deal is so fantastic. for ten years you see, they won't build up and have nuclear weapons. this is ridiculous.

the president and you have now killed that deal. would you like to explain? >> i can't explain that deal either. it stands every fundamental precept that you keep the american people safe. they identified this as a threat to the region to israel , and to the united states of america so the president withdrew from the deal back in may of 2018, and we've spent our time not appeasing this bureaucracy, this anti- somatic regime, we spent our time denying it wealth and resources. fewer resources to underwrite and build up missile programs to threaten israel, europe, the united states if they get long range missile and make it to employed to the right place. fewer resources to destabilize iraq and syria and fewer resources to terrorize their own people as well. we've had tremendous success at that.

i remember mark, when we were going to go through u.s. sanctions alone because the europeans are still in the deal. the germans, the french and the united kingdom. it was going to be u.s. sanctions alone, and i remember former secretary kerry, ben rhodes, ambassador rice, there president we'll be back in power, their advising them today and i remember them saying these sanctions won't work. america can't possibly use its own capacities to generate the effects that the president says he wants. in fact three and a half years on we demonstrated it worked. we've put an honest constraints on this regime. we've convinced the world they should join us in this. last week we announced we were going to further replace a set of sanctions called snapback under a security council resolution that the united nations will further isolate the iranian regime and further build out the coalition that

wants to push back against iran's destabilizing forces. the president's policies were the right policies to keep america safe. they have delivered on this outcome. there's obviously still more work to do, but if you're an american soldier who had an ied or you're an american intelligence officer or the family of one of the individuals who still held in iran today, you appreciate this president has taken this regime measure and has responded in a way that has put real pressure on them to ultimately change their behaviors.

mark: here's what shocking to me. one of the things joe biden says is if he becomes president of the united states he's going to reinstitute the iran deal and unravel all the success this administration has had in dealing with iran so i assume monies going to flood into iran. iran will be able to more aggressively build its nuclear power. around will be able to more aggressively expand terrorism. isn't that a failed doctrine, failed policy that he's campaigning on. >> it's crazy. the president's first rule for all of us in the national security team is no nuclear weapon. one of the elements of power that the regime needs to build out of him nuclear weapon, the first thing is money. money creates a scientific capacity to do research and test missiles, capabilities to build the air defense system so that if one day they get close that no one can challenge that by taking out those facilities. all the things that enable a nation to build out a nuclear weapons program are facilitated by wealth and money and to stand that on its head and say were going to open the economic end, that's what rejoining the jc poa would do. it was naughty because it created a clear pathway for iran to get a nuclear weapon. your point about ten years, yes it may have delayed their

promise not to engage in certain activities , whether they've actually done that, but even assuming for a moment that they had complied with all the terms of the jcp away, there was a time when this was over and they have a pathway to a nuclear weapon that simply unacceptable so to return to that creates risk for the world and president trump is determined to make sure that never happens. >> as a result of the trump policies, as we saw your department implement in those policies, something's happened in the middle east. peace is breaking out. in other words rather than this terrorist regime getting more and more powerful and its neighbors buckling under its weight, the opposite is happening. when we come back i want to talk about that because the president has been nominated for two nobel peace prize is. you have arab muslim countries and the jewish state of israel opening diplomatic ties with each other, something that nobody believed would happen

certainly in my lifetime so when i talk to about how that occurred when we return.

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believe she could shift the high court on hot button topics such as obamacare and abortion rights. in the meantime the president's attorney reacting to a new york times story about the president's taxes sing that story is riddled with gross inaccuracies adding the president has paid tens of millions of dollars in federal taxes over the past decade. the times report shows he paid $750 million the year he ran for the white house and the year after. president trump dismisses it as fake news. i'm jon scott, now back to life, liberty and the venom. "life, liberty & levin". >> you have the jewish state and arab and muslim state, coso boehme serbia, how did all of this happen. >> mark, it's connected to what we were speaking about before, the president's decision to not appease iran

and not make them the focal point of the u.s. partnerships in the region enables these leaders, these arab muslim leaders to know that america is going to engage in a way that was smart and own away that protected the american interest in the region whether that's energy flowing or our partner with the one democratic state come the jewish homeland in the united states was going to take an approach to create conditions for these nations to make different decisions that they have historically made. so you have seen that. you saw the strike against soleimani, the defeat of the caliphate and isis. these are all demonstrations of american commitment to protect and create new prosperity here in the homeland. we been working, i heard people say this was an overnight lucky success. this has been three years of determined work. very focused on the outcomes we saw with the abraham accords now a couple weeks back. united ara arab emirates,

bahrain acknowledging that they have a right to exist and conduct normal relationships with these important countries. i'm so proud of what the president did and what we've accomplished. it's a start. you will see business ties, security ties, all the things that normal nations are able to do with each other. it's a direct result of walking away from the central premise of american middle east policy for the last several decades which was, you can't have progress toward middle east peace until such time as the conflict between israel and the palestinians is resolved in its entirety. president trump says no we can do things that create conditions for middle east peace. we can, for example recognize that jerusalem is the rightful capital of israel and acknowledge that and move our embassy there. the facts on the ground, i talked about opening a realistic policy, the facts on the ground are nex important strategic asset to israel and

are part of that so we simply acknowledge that fact. those were the kind of things that i think the arab states saw that america was serious, that we care deeply about stability in the region and that while we are happy to work to try and resolve the conflict between israel and the palestinians, we welcome their engagement, we hope that they will begin to be serious about coming to the negotiating table and were not going to allow them to create a precondition for prosperity, security and peace throughout the middle east. we hope there will be other nations to do what others have done a while back but you can see whether it's chad or sudan or morocco or kuwait or oman, you can see them all coming to understand that israel has had a right to exist and they are indeed good for the region and partnering to ultimately get the palestinians to make an

arrangement that's better for the palestinian people as well. mark: as i listen to you mr. secretary, we have this election coming up and you look at trump and you look at biden, to me, this is me speaking, biden is stuck in a half century of washington mindset. he would never, ever tried to do the things that the president and you have done, the secretary of state, to be exactly where they were before. what do i mean by that? i'm talking about a two state solution with the palestinian. it's the tail wagging the dog. he doesn't even acknowledge the accomplishments being made. he wants to go back to the iran deal. he would undermine the peace that's breaking out in the middle east between these countries and so forth. so he really is, in my opinion, he really is a creature of the mindset of

half a century of washington d.c. then i look at the president of the united states and say wait a minute, this is crazy, as a comment why are we giving $150 billion to a terrorist regime threatening to build a weapon that can hit america. he said were not going to do that anymore. just common sense. my question is this, while you were negotiating and so forth, i was reading the stories about john kerry going around and so forth, are you comfortable telling us what took place there? >> i don't want to say too much other than when leaders time is over, they need to get off stage. i think that's one of the core principles of the american founding which is you have your time in service and the american people elected the president and the team that serves him is chosen by him, and when you're gone you should be gone. we've seen the previous of ministration and their senior foreign policy managers not acting that way. you can see the twitter account since either comments,

both public and off the record, but it could have only come from them, working in ways that have told leaders around the world these last few years just wait. president trump, mike pompeo, they will vanish from the scene and when they do, things will return to the way they were. what my observation has been is those leaders don't want that. most of the leaders around the world appreciate the fact that we are candid, we are blunt, we are prepared to question the established principles and if they no longer work to move on from them and develop a foreign policy that's better not only for the american people, but for the world, it's a little far field but nato has deep connections in the middle east as well. i take nato as an example. here's a place where i was with the president of the united states by the cia director and i watch them have candid conversation with the general and european leaders saying this is a serious challenge we face. we have to confront this. to do this we need you to be

fully engaged. you need to provide the resources, financial and the leadership political to go and take on all the challenges we face in the world, whether it's from russia or from the chinese communist party. you can see it's refreshing for these leaders, for decades they've heard americans with the same mantra, same tired story and they got away with behaving in ways that advantage them and harm for the people of the united states of america. we stood that on its head. it's fresh, it's grounded in realism. you said it's crazy to put $150 billion in the hands of the ayatollah, but this is just common sense and logic. to be able to break out of the mold of the historic understanding has been important and will leave a lasting impression on the global security order for decades to come. mark: we'll be right back. where can a healthier heart lead you? for people with heart failure taking entresto,

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>> what to make of china in the middle east. >> they are powerful diplomatic tool. i traveled the world, it's important to show up and say we can help you with your energy needs. china doesn't have that. they depend on the middle east for energy sources they begun to exert influence and power and set up military facilities in the region and across the indian ocean and above djibouti, places that pose real risk. we have responded by building out this coalition, what we

were just speaking to with coapeace breaking out in the middle east, it's that presence that the president has built out which will push back against the capacity for the chinese communist party to exert its influence on the same countries. they will come to see the right place to partner is with democracy, freedom loving country to use influence and power in ways to benefit them rather than saddle up to the communist party. mark: chinese claims the south china sea and islands off japan and rocks off the philippines and water rights off vietnam, claims taiwan, and my question about taiwan is they are saber rattling the communist chinese about taiwan and i read the defense department gone through scenarios that don't look great for the united states. do you think the american people understand the

seriousness? do you think the media has communicated the seriousness. >> i think the political media has failed the american people for many years, misunderstanding what it was that the chinese communist party intended. sometimes we discount these things. just listen to what the chinese president says and you can watch and predict what the chinese actions are likely to be. you missed a couple places where there was a long list, the conflict between the himalayahimalayan's between the -- between india and china, separate system for the people of hong kong and they are destroying the freedom of the people of hong kong. these are real challenges. president trump has done the right thing by sharing the risk which we all thought.

were seeing it and feeling it today with the virus that came from wuhan china. we watched what authoritarian regimes do. when they're threatened, when there's a mistake they will protect themselves and their own political power. you do that by covering up and disappearing doctors and journalists who want to tell the story about where this came from. you make them go away. the result is the virus spread around the world in a way that it would not have done if they had been transparent and open. instead they chose to suppress the information. you can see the devastation in the human cost and economic cost hoisted on the world as a result of a regime that did what authoritarian regimes always do in times of trouble. they maintain their political power, no expense to great for the rest of the world. mark: the president is furious about this. >> yes and rightfully so. mark: and the mayhem that the communist regime created all over the globe with this virus and their lack of assistance.

i understand they stepped in and bought up as much ppe as they could while the world had no idea. when you testify on capitol hill and i have no doubt you receive dozens of letters from congress every day that demand responses and so forth, does capitol hill understand the role that communist china played in spreading this virus. >> so there was a good report that came out from outside ranking member mccall's committee. sadly it wasn't joined by the democrats on that committee. having said that there is good bipartisan support for most actions we've taken against china and for their freedom loving people of hong kong. i've appreciated that support from across a broad political perspective. this is a place where we can work that are bipartisan, i hope if there is a new administration whether that's four years from now or four months, this threat will be taken with the same level of

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. mark: welcome back, mr. secretary, the founding fathers, do they play a role in your thinking when you make decisions or think about how to approach foreign policy. >> absolutely. indeed. i've undertaken a project at the state department that the notes that. i think we walked away from this. there's two pieces to this. the central underpinnings of our nation, the principles that are founders laid down should drive our foreign policy. they knew excess use of power can weaken our nation and without a fundamentally strong american economy, our ability to influence issues around the world would be diminished. they were very mindful of that. second they lay down a set of rights for the world and human beings. by the nature of every individual being created in the image of god. they said these are rights

governments don't provide and they can't take them away. they enumerated them and talked about them. they described how they should be shaped. when i came to the state department, the human rights issues had been lost in the world. we had a human rights council at the un that had iran and venezuela, chinese communist party talk about human rights and the context of one of the most egregious acts of human rights violation to the non- han chinese in western china in all of recorded history. i set about trying to reground how these principles by a woman name marianne, bates finish their work a couple months back and spoke to how clearly the state department, for all time, should talk about human rights in the world and america's place. we are special. the reason people want to meet mike pompeo when he travels isn't because of mike.

it's because we stand for the special set of principles. if we walk away and muddy them up and create rights for everything than those core ideas of religious freedom, human dignity, property rights , if we walk away from those core understandings, then america will be another nation wandering around. it won't be the beacon we've been for so long. i think about how our founders thought about foreign policy and i try to create that in the institution i'm leaving as well. mark: you embrace the founders and the declaration and the constitution, as do i and most americans. then you see the riding in the streets and antifa and other organizations who reject 1776 and replace with 1619. you see the new york times pushing this, many in the opposition party, same thing. you sought in the streets, monuments being tore down

until the president put an end to that. how does that affect foreign policy? when you go to other countries mac fees things happening, and the democrat party either silent or giving a passive complaint about it, how does that affect our foreign policy. >> it has a real effect. they watch it closely. americans pay a little less attention to what happens other places in the world but the whole world pays attention to what's happening here. when they see these riots and the lawlessness and the walking away from the american traditions, central underpinnings, the greatness of the united states, what are founders bequeathed to us, when we see this walking away from that they know there's opportunity if an adversary and risk if their friend. if there an adversary millwork to flame those divisions.

they know our strength lies in this history. we are a judeo-christian nation founded on understandings that allowed america to be the greatest civilization in the history of the world. when we walk away from those understandings and say no our founding was besmirched, we should be embarrassed by our founding, others see that and they will use it to make life more secured for their people and denigrate our country. if there are friend and partner they will say i wonder if i can rely on them, if ten or 20 years from now that culture and that set of understanding will still be there and if that foundation upon which it was built and foreign-policy was executed will remain. mark: we'll be right back.

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mark: welcome back. secretary pompeo, you've seen the bolton book in the woodward book and james mattis and all the rest of it. you've worked as director of cia, very closely with the secretary of state, very closely on complicated and difficult issues where people have a lot of opinions. what has your experience been in working with the president? >> full disclosure i've not read any of those books, only the press reported pieces of them. my expense has been the president takes this set of issues seriously. he is thoughtful in his approach. he listens and takes on the facts whether from an intelligence perspective or broader foreign-policy perspective. he does not always agree with the analysis. i say here's my recommendation and i'm mindful he got all the

electoral votes and i got zero. i mean that in all seriousness. sometimes i hear the secretary of state overturned what the state department was doing. no, the state department does what the president directs. the people elected him to direct foreign-policy. whatever they may think in their infinite wisdom, in the end we deliver options and recommendations to the president and he says here's how i think about this and gives us a chance to appeal and then we go out with all our energy and heart to execute what it is he has laid out. i hope i've done that and made my team successful in doing tha that, and when we do i'm always proud of the outcomes we get. i've watched president trump and learn and grow with the level of understanding all the capacities we have and i think were in full strife hitting away that serving the american people and our prosperity well.

>> i find most the complaints of these books, you read what people say about them, they are individuals who didn't get their way and couldn't advance the policy they wanted to advance. the president said no i want my troops out of syria. no i won't go to war with north korea, no i'm not going to do these things. in many respects there fired or resigned and their disgruntled and they make statements and put out books. i worked in the reagan administration. i don't remember people writing statements and putting out books. i find that to be a betrayal. >> i agree. the president has the best wisdom, the best thoughts, my best analysis from my team is to go execute. when were done there's a period of repose where he can hear me and i can make my case without taking it to the public because i simply didn't get the answer i thought was right. mark: i want to thank you for

giving us the time to come here at the beautiful department of state. i almost never come to washington d.c. now that's two shows in a row. the white house and department of state. thank you and keep yo up the good work. >> thank you for the opportunity to be with you today. mark: see you next time on life, liberty and levin. >> see breaking tonight, hit job on president trump and his tax return. this latest was orchestrated by the new york times, cnn. the establishment handed the election to donald trump. more on that straight ahead. evening and welcome to "the next revolution". i'm steve hilton. pro-work, pro-family , pro-community, and especially pro-america tonight the supreme court is our main focus. senator marshall blackburn joining us along with matt gates and lisa booth. cory will be