surprised the markets are more in tune to this then upset and there's a lot at stake for them as well. so you get the best business, markets, the debate, the fallout here and abroad tomorrow fbn. >> dana: hello, everyone. i'm dana perino along with juan williams, greg gutfeld, jesse watters, and martha maccallum. it is 5:00 p.m. in new york ci new york city. so one of the most anticipated debates in american history and it could potentially change the trajectory of the 2020 race. in just over 24 hours from now, president trump and joe biden will finally meet face-to-face right here in cleveland.

calling for a drug test. >> i'm willing to take a drug test and i think you should too because he is at a very uneven -- everything wasn't great. wasn't terrible. he was okay. a far cry. you know what i'm saying. >> dana: and the biden campaign responding by mocking president trump's comments and his handling of the pandemic. so martha maccallum, set us up for just 24 hours away in a couple of hours and i don't think there's going to be a drug test, but there will be a test of wills tomorrow night. >> martha: i think we've always sort of devolved to this battle over health when you think back to hillary clinton, there was a lot of discussion about her health, was she strong

enough, the 9/11 afternoon car video that got played over and over and president trump has also had to deal with questions about his as well lately, the walk down the ramp and all of that. so the prepunches that go out there to try to set your opponent a little bit off. so one thing that i would urge them not to go down that road, president trump is going down the sleepy joe road and as you remember, joe biden has also challenged him to a push-up contest so if it devolves into that, it could get kind of weird if these two guys who are in their 70s start doing push-ups on the stage to prove who is more of a man. now, your dad coached boxing. how do you think biden and trump are positioning for tomorrow

night? >> i think everybody wants to win. that's the bottom line. interesting data on this and that "wall street journal" reports 70% of americans say that no matter what happens, it's not going to change their vote but at the same time, they anticipate that this is going to be a record-setting event, plus millions of people will be watching on television. so this is the kind of event that if you said in the opening potentially changed something, we don't know what. look at president trump do, he's the one trailing and he needs the big change. we know when the pasties done things like invited women who have charges against bill clinton to a debate with hillary clinton. he could do something unbelievable. i don't know. but will it change votes? i don't see it at this moment. >> dana: one of the things different from 2016 is trump didn't have a record of accomplishments to list or a

long political track, but now he does. so biden has quite a long time in washington as well, 47 years. and if you're wondering if we are about to be swept away by the rain, the answer is quite possibly. >> greg: it was nice knowing you, dana. three replacements lined up. it's interesting that biden has been around for a fight i 45 yed donald trump did you can't go through all the accomplishments and talking about because the media focuses on trump's word, you look at the actual deeds, it's fairly long. i feel bad so i'm going to shift over to a cooking analogy.

so when we are watching the debate, it's like we are watching a chef prepare a souffle. and we are all there hoping there's a 50% chance that the souffle will collapse. it will probably be impressed so that souffle is joe biden. pretty good. are we going to preview this debate anymore? this is like the fourth preview of the debate. this is worse than me plugging my book or my web site where i'll be alive chatting the debate tomorrow. >> dana: do you think it's worse? >> jesse: first of all, i would like to challenge him because if anyone's performance has been uneven, it has been greg gutfeld. i just want to clarify, i agree. tomorrow night after the debate is over, millions of americans are going to know in their hearts that donald trump won. yes, the media will tell them

the next day that joe biden won or that nothing happened to really change the dynamic of the race and the media will say joe is winning based on the poles that they are conducting. american public and digest these things very simply. it's based on attitude. a large chunk of the population is not thinking about policy. they are looking at the mix of aggression, tenacity, humor, style, and that's what they're judging on and also looking at stage presence. who is projecting a calm, confident demeanor that is projecting and resonating through that television screen to the american people? i don't care if i'm setting the expectations too high. donald trump is a force of nature. he has got a huge personality, he's got charisma, he's got charm, he's got aggression, he's got everything that joe biden does not have. so i predict tomorrow night,

joe biden is a very insecure individual. i think he gets very frustrated and to a certain extent, family especially of raw nerve ending, couldn't even go near it and starts lashing out and getting angry and it's going to be a brawl, it's going to get dirty, nasty, and who wins in that scenario? donald trump wins in that scenario. >> dana: i just want to make sure everyone is on notice that tomorrow night, we will again preview the debate. so these points were fantastic and we will expect some fresh ones and more of it because we love it. coming up, president trump hitting back against a "new york times" story on his taxes, the monologue up next, don't miss it. (announcer) now more than ever, it's important to lose weight,

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>> greg: what a great song. another day, another bombshell that lands with a thud. imagine a loaf of bread hitting

the pavement from the roof of your house. that's "the new york times" report on trump's tax returns. is this one of the most important stories of the past five years? >> this is one of the most important stories of the past five years, not of this year but one of the most important stories of the past five years. >> greg: i say his hair is on fire but too late for that. now the story involves numbers, it's hard on the media. they couldn't tally a 20% tip on a dollar beer. sorry, guys, no laws were broken and sorry, cnn, no signs of russia here. they were either of those, that would've been deleted but instead, it's trump no taxes. he said long ago if you don't follow tax laws, you're stupid because the alternative is to make stuff up and send extra catch to uncle sam who pays people like biden to nap. here's a tip, when you own real estate, depreciation and maintenance can outpace the rate you get and it's your accountant's duty not to cure

inequality but to legally keep as much of your cash as possible. the media assumes he won't know this. i didn't for the longest time. i had to educate myself on taxes, mortgages, and loans. i didn't learn it at school. but i did learn that moby dick had homoerotic underpinnings, english major. anyone who pays more than legally owed is an idiot. you want to pay more, find, write the check, sucker. what's the bigger story for you? this lame story lands a day before the biggest debate ever. bombshells drop by the powerful to sway an election but trump's stories are like buses. you miss one, there's another coming in 15 minutes except now it's every 15 seconds and all of them are lighter than air. so i'm going to ask you a question that i often ask you usually after the show. is this legal? we don't know where this information came from and

"the new york times" says that he obtained it provided by sources with legal access to it. so it's publicly available information meaning it's not a bombshell. what is this? i don't get it. >> dana: there is two separate questions here. is it legal for the person that linked it to "the new york times"? i would argue no, i am not a lawyer, but i imagine that that person did so under the condition of anonymity because they wanted to make sure that they wouldn't get busted for it because it is illegal to leak someone's personal tax information. but secondly, the question is is it legal what president trump has done with his taxes? i think you laid it out well. there is no obligation to pay more than what the law requires. now, some people might read this article and say this is b.s. and we need a different tax system. that would be something that congress could think up. there might be a better way to

do taxes that encourages better investment and figures out a way to make things more fair, et cetera, lots of different ways that congress could do that but they don't. i don't think this is a bombshell in the way that it used t to be. i think you're right that every 50 seconds there's another one and if you just wait a few hours and digest everything like you have, you realize this is not a big deal. but i do think this number of 750 when the biden people first of all had an ad cut and swag made already to sell before the ink was dry on the paper. so some question there. but this is the number, $750. sort of when mitt romney had that 47% gap. that number stuck in people's heads. so if you are a biden voter, you can add this to the list of reasons why you are not going to vote for president trump. >> greg: but you're already a biden voter. she brings up a great point. that miraculously,

coincidentally. we are here together. should be this way all the time. who needs them? just us here together and then we can open a bed-and-breakfast in vermont like we planned. >> jesse: and adjust everything to lower our taxable income. >> greg: and open a chain. so dana brings up this point that somehow, joe has this already. this smacks of an assist. there actually trying to help them. >> jesse: joe can't do it by himself. he relies on bombshells from the times to keep his dead campaign alive and that's fine. the president will still win with this. it was 8% leading in the pole and three weeks later, he is leaving by seven sodas that have a big impact? no. amazon, netflix, chevron, which of those companies have in common? in 2018, they all paid 0% in income tax to the federal government. would you say the ceos of those companies were bad businessmen?

he would call them brilliant the same way donald trump is brilliant. the funny thing is this, joe biden for 50 years wrote the very tax code that donald trump took advantage of. was obama's irs that gave donald trump a $73 million refund check. was nbc news that had the donald trump at half a billion dollars for the apprentice, msnbc's morning joe and cnn that trumps tv made him president to this day, and it was "the new york times" that covered donald trump's wealth and success for decades which allowed donald trump to leverage his name-brand and use it as licensing deals to make millions of dollars so this story reeks of a guilty conscious of the american liberal media and political establishment that has given rise to donald trump's. can you imagine a news organization looking at a billionaires tax records and concluding it was a bad businessmen?

how stupid is that? they act like he's got no cash flow and then in the same article, they say he is making of millions of dollars from overseas and domestic investments from his real estate portfolio. you ask 100 people either you want the real estate portfolio of donald trump, every single person would say yes. how does this guy have no money when we are watching his jets fly, has helicopters chopper around, we see him playing golf, we see mar-a-lago, we look upstairs and see these towering skyscrapers, you are saying to me that this guy doesn't know how to manage money, and then the best part they say he is at the end, the walls are closing in like he's about to go broke. how about he sells a property on the westside for 100 million or better yet, the clintons made $300 million after leaving the white house. i bet donald trump could clear that six years. >> greg: are you auditioning?

>> jesse: i learned all of that yesterday. >> greg: of this comes up, i hear there's a debate tomorrow. i probably going to preview it later. >> dana: promote it so everyone will know. >> greg: if this comes up, how will donald trump or how should he respond to it? i guess i can't ask you that question because your moderating it. >> dana: we are going to do the pre and the post-show. obviously, they are going to be ready for this. i would imagine this might be a moment when you go the hundred biden brut and your talk about the $3.5 million that he got from this russian oligarch wife who was married to the moscow mayor. that's one possibility for one thing i would just point out about this story journalistically, it kind of goes up when i'm reading an

in-depth piece like this and there's a whole paragraph towards the end which poses a question like what if all of this is a huge national security concern? what if this money is being directed to vladimir putin, what if he used a tax write off on the stormy daniels? those are the things that you're supposed to answer while you're writing the story and supposed to have more stories coming and perhaps what if answers will be answered in those later questions, but then simultaneously, that last line toward the bottom. there are some red flags in here for anyone who is in journalism school. >> jesse: the conclusion we could come to us that we all need better accountants. >> juan: sure. we want the mob account, just pay no taxes. let me just say this, this is

unbelievable to me and it's like you guys are coming after the circus and trying to clean up the streets, it's unbelievable. wait a minute, let me get this straight. i was earning like a single mom, no kids, doing the job in america making $18,000 a year, i would've paid more taxes than president trump in his first year in office and you say that's not a story? you guys go on and on about this is no story, this is "the new york times." for once, you should say donald trump, you promised to release your taxes. why haven't you if it's just that. and by the way, maybe he just keeps racking up debt and keeps taking out loans, and he's got a ton of debt up to his eyeballs and that's how he continues to say he's a great businessman because he is not such a great businessman. this is the reality that you

guys are closing your eyes to. >> jesse: $66 million and paid that to help his campaign. do you think he's having cash flow problems? >> juan: i do think. i think it's obvious. ten of the 15 years before he became president, this guy pays no taxes, and you want to excuse it? that's shameful. >> jesse: we've got to roll. okay. >> greg: it sounds like a hurricane over there. up next, the left continues to smear judge amy kony barrett. the latest examples next on the five.

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>> dana: supreme court nominee amy coney barrett facing brutal

attacks on her face meeting bellmawr who has referred to catholicism as silly stories went after her. >> because she is a [bleep] not. religion. i was right about that one too. sorry. amy coney barrett, catholic, really catholic. i mean, really catholic, like speaking in tongues. >> dana: unbelievable. so a boston university professor suggested that she has a white colonizer were said this about -- said white colonizer's are people adopt children of color calling them their props. then senator cory booker claiming that she should have to recuse herself from election issues. >> one of the things i want to ask her as if she will recuse herself because if she does not in terms of any election issues

that come before us because if she does not recuse herself, i fear the court will be further delegitimized. >> dana: let me go to you first. strikes me that justice ginsburg was famous for educating the country on discrimination on the basis of. and i think now we are in for an education and a reevaluation of discrimination on the basis of religion and the person of amy coney barrett as we get ready for these hearings. what did you think of bill maher calling her and thing not? >> greg: it's not surprising. he is never hidden his antireligious bias. he's an atheist, so it doesn't surprise me. always the case that when liberals like their supreme court justices, they want them to exercise their personal opinion. when it's republican supreme court justices, they demand that they don't and they don't trust that they won't. i am going to use a fitness analogy now if you don't mind. you know when you're riding a bike and you're going downhill

fast my do you peddle? no, you coast. arguing over the supreme court nomination is like pedaling downhill. we don't have to, right? this thing is over. can we please have the vote. and i love the unprincipled democrats going after her for being principled because she is pro-life, there catholic and not pro-life. essentially her religion as coachella and there is his open mic night. >> dana: good point. so dana, when i look at this and i look at the comparison between justice scalia and his confirmation hearing, they hold very similar beliefs. he was confirmed 98-0 and wasn't asked any questions about abortion so why is it so different for this nominee? >> when it comes to these supreme court nominations, i actually do want to see it. i think it's very eliminating and very clarifying for the

hypocrisy that happened and i think when you think about what senator dianne feinstein said at her appellate judge confirmation hearing, why is it then that they celebrate joe biden for catholicism but not hers? what is the difference? and also in the constitution and the first amendment, first for a reason, there is a freedom of religion. there should be no litmus test. we've already talked about that in her appellate confirmation hearing and senator booker is way out-of-bounds. really? to recuse himself as something comes up that's not what the constitution said that's not what the founding fathers said. a brilliant judge, a mother of seven children, handles it all with such poise and grace, i would love to see the difference. that's why i'm looking forward to these hearings and it's very eye-opening. >> dana: i'm just laughing because you're yelling over the

rain. so i also thought this comment about -- just the goal of saying her adoptive children are being used as props and i want to point out that this university professor made this comment did not attach it directly to her. but the overall sentiment is pretty clear. >> juan: you can have all kinds of arguments about her. i think what we can tell so far as republicans want to make her joan of arc, into a victim so there picking up people like this. all of a sudden, this is about her religion. when i listen to biden, schumer, pelosi. no one is talking about her religion, so this is an argument about how she might vote on something like the affordable care act, taking away people's pre-existing condition. in the midst of a pandemic worried she is on record as having said, being very critical of decisions that upheld the affordable care act in addition to which she is on record as

having said that in terms of religion, that to be a good lawyer, you have to be a servant of god. a lot of people would say wait a minute, we want you to be an impartial arbiter of the constitution. so she comes back after having said that as you point out and said what i really mean is i'll explain it to you, that's not the case, but you can understand why it might raise some alarm. but the key point here is this is going to be an argument about a rushed process most americans including lots of republicans saying this is too rushed. the next president should make ththe choice, not the current president while people are already voting for president. >> dana: people can press a button and get food delivered to their house in 15 minutes. i don't think that they think this is rushed. >> juan: the polls say it's rushed. >> jesse: should i coast and not even argue? out only say one thing.

i'll just say liberals view religion as an obstacle because religion gets in the way of them implementing their radical left-wing agenda so everybody with a religion that adheres to a religion is suspicious to liberals and i don't think they're going to be disciplined enough as mann says to keep it on the level about obamacare and not go into some nasty attacks and it's going to blow back on the biden campaign big time. >> martha: ruth bader ginsburg was a very devout, and i don't remember hearing any dispute or that she was weird or that that was freaky or any of the kind of things we are hearing talked about amy coney barrett here. okay, so coming up next, speaker nancy pelosi bracing democrats for election chaos, what she's telling her party to get ready for next.

>> juan: both political parties now bracing for election chaos. a speaker nancy pelosi warning democrats that president trump could win the election if the house has to decide the outcome. pelosi says she is afraid of that scenario where it's not clear which of the candidates receive the minimum 270 electoral college votes needed to win. take a look. >> i've been working on this for a while. almost every scheme he might have to steal. anything we do to increase our number in the house of state delegations and members of congress wherever they are will help us hold the house, when the senate, and elect joe biden president of the united states on election day for the few days

that it takes to count thereafter. >> juan: so dana, doesn't it make sense for pelosi to try to prepare so that the country doesn't end up in election cha chaos? >> dana: prepare for me to blow your mind with a couple of points. what she's discussing is very, very unlikely. don't freak out at home, it's very, very unlikely. however, if it happens, the republicans controlled 26 delegations. the democrats control 22. two states are split. which ones might they be? pennsylvania and michigan. we've heard of those before, the battlegrounds. another reason these are battleground states. this is a great chance for nancy pelosi to direct national money and attention to swing districts thinking of to win particular, michigan eight and conor lamb pennsylvania 17. so the tally of the congressional delegation will occur after the new congress is

sworn in. it's very unlikely but if it happened, it would be an exercise in absolute raw political power the likes of which this country has ever seen. it is mind blown? >> juan: i can't control it. i think the rain has dampened by mind. jesse, we are talking about election chaos. do you worry that president trump by going after the postal service has contributed to the idea that we are headed towards chaos and it will have to be settled in the courts by congress? >> jesse: do i look worried? i'm actually just kind of recoiling from dana's amazing commentary about what the possibilities are, and i want to touch on what she said because it is 26-22 right now and why is that? under barack obama's presidency, democrats lost a lot of state delegations largely due to the

unpopularity of obamacare. that's why republicans have a majority in the state house and that's what's going to put them over the edge because you can for see a scenario and i know it's unlikely, where it is 269-269. i can see at least two realistic situations where the math comes out like that. the other thing is this which is the democrats fault is because in wisconsin right now, they've kicked up to the federal judge a case where they said you can count absentee ballots six days after the election. republicans suit, that went to the federal court, and the federal court said no, that goes against what the constitution prescribes in the state of wisconsin and why does the federal judge say that? because trump appointed a lot of federal judges and his three and a half years and why? because harry reid knew the filibuster judicial appointments. another reason why democrats are the reason things are going so badly for democrats.

>> juan: so over the weekend, the president says he might not concede. this would be chaos because of the mail-in ballots. he says you've got to throw out those ballots. what do you think? >> greg: there's a lot of problems with these mail-in ballots. the absentee ballots are good, the states that are using mail-in ballots for years are pretty good but there is peopleg it for the first time and we are finding corruption here and there. the point is, i find it hilarious that the people talking about chaos as if it's coming when it's already here, the same people that excuse and quietly energize 100 days of violence are now saying something is going to happen in november. i've been saying, it's not happening in november, it's happening right now. instead of people wringing their hands, why not come up with a plan? we prepped for y2k, and we sailed right through that. we should get together and i

mean we as in the media and talk about how do we dial down the intensity of conflict because it's our responsibility. we are the people with the hands on the dials turning up the conflict the people get at each other's throats. we could it down if we want and it should be thinking about that because it's going to get ugly in the next six weeks, seven weeks. that's going to allow antifa and blm and all of the other groups that are out in the street more excuses to wage war. >> jesse: my new year's resolution was to stop the personal attacks on the name calling so i've already done my part. nice. >> juan: yes, we appreciate that. a texas company that sells software to help counties display election results.

but trump continues to deny the russian interference. >> martha: any efforts by other countries to mess with our elections got so submerged in the political side of that equation that i do think that have been made in a way that they can actually do something about. just write down the middle, the democrats and they all said they want to vote in person and i feel like this is an extension of the covid divide across the country and at this point in the election, democrats almost feel like it's a protest vote to mailing your ballot, going to drag this out, make sure that this is not done on novembe november 3rd. different way of looking at it, want very much to walk in there to know that their vote is going to count, to know that they

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>> jesse: the first presidential debate is going to look a little different. they will skip the customary handshake, the candidates will be socially distanced, but will not have to wear masks. there will be an audience of about 75 people and gone is the postdebate spin room for surrogates. i'm going to miss the handshake, what about you? >> greg: just have them wear gloves. they come out wearing white gloves, they shake and then take the gloves off and throw them away. got to have some kind of physical contact so they remind each other they're both human. >> jesse: no spin room, who do you think that hurts? >> martha: i think it hurts both sides honestly. i don't know if people outside of our world will miss it all that much and certainly the people who will be i in their spending limits miss their opportunity to do that, still will be spending all night long and cable news and deep into the

next day so that's an opportunity that will still exist i think. >> jesse: you will be telling the truth and it will be the truth that biden lost, right? >> juan: i love it. i tell you, you have rigged the outcome already. the thing is, i think it means we all have to pay attention to what we see, so we have to watch donald trump. $70,000 in terms of a tax write off, $70,000. i thought you loved your hair. >> jesse: that's about half of what i write off. the audience factor, 75 people, what do you think that does to the dynamic on stage? >> dana: ever since i've been watching presidential debates, i've not seen it like this. i'm excited because i feel like it makes you focus more on their words, a lot more importance on their words and tone and demeanor and it will be focused on them rather than audience reaction. >> jesse: one more thing is up next. aetna medicare takes a total,

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5700 socially distanced regular fans and that would be the show's creators parker, matt stone of the southpark fame. that's hilarious, right there. that is a good way to just deal with coronavirus and laugh it off. there they are. the broncos are currently 2-0 and i don't know what happened in the game yesterday. this was a really good one. >> i don't know. >> i'm not a fair weather fan, i just don't know if there won. >> i'd like to join that mile high club, dana. [laughs] let's do this. >> i don't know what you mean, greg. >> you know, for many decades i hated spiders. they were ugly, creepy, some were hairy, like many versions of me. then i moved out of the woods and i see spiders everywhere. they're all over the place. they're creating all these webs and i'm watching them catch all of the insects that i hate, like mosquitoes and fleas and i'm

going to myself and going like you know what, maybe i was wrong about these little fellas. they're just trying to get up every morning, they are trying to do a job and the job is to help me maintain my health. >> you are pro-spider now? >> i want to say, spiders, i was wrong and i like you know. >> i'm sure they accept that apology. >> they will. if not, i will step on them. >> martha. >> so it was buccaneers 28, broncos 10. tom brady came to town, so unfortunately rings did not work out that well. >> though southpark bands were amazing. >> so yesterday i did something we haven't had a chance to do a lot of. i went out and talked to voters, the kind of thing we do all the time in uncovid times but i got to sit down with five really great women, suburban moms in north olmsted ohio, different political bleeps, some republicans, some democrats, they talked about what they care

about, what they think matter sam and this woman is a mom and a bartender and she ran for state office. this is jolene, watch. >> i think she's going to do a great job. i'm excited. i'm very nervous that we are doing it so close to an election. >> would you have rather that the president waited until after? >> this will get a lot of conservatives upset, yes, i think we should have waited until after the election. >> so i should have set that up, but i hope it became obvious in the course of that sound bite. what was interesting, i have to say all of those women, with the exception of maybe 15 that they should have waited until after the election. >> that's what juan has been saying. >> i don't think that's time for me to do my one more thing, so i would just say i'm going to save it for tomorrow. i don't have southpark. dana, you did blow my mind, that was a great one. >> thank you. i made some excellent points. i think was probably one of my best shows, even though maybe the rain was drowning us out.

it's so fun, i cannot wait to preview the debate tomorrow with you. it's going to be the most one thing i have ever experienced. "special report" is up next. hey, brett, are you going to preview the debate tonight? >> bret: i think it was one of your best shows by far. thank you, i'm going to preview as well. good evening, i'm bret baier, we are coming to you tonight live for the first time from inside the debate hall at the sheila and eric sampson pavilion on the campus of the cleveland clinic and case western reserve university. this is the site of tomorrow night's first presidential debate twin president trump and democratic nominee joe biden. breaking tonight, it's being called a game changer at the white house. president trump announcing the deployment of 150 million new rapid point-of-care tests across the country. the president also dealing with a bombshell report about his tax history as he prepares for the debate here coming up in 27 hours. we will have extensive coverage