>> sean: plan that you're not going to want to miss. we will be back our regular time, 9:00 p.m. eastern, never miss an episode of "hannity," let not your heart be troubled. i'm dying to hear what laura ingraham has to say next. laura. >> laura: hannity, who said anything was solved by just people sitting around a table just pleasantly disagreeing with each other? they've obviously never been to my house for dinner. come on, you get a lot solved when you kind of duke it out. you and i are from similar backgrounds. all the elites are like "it was so -- it wasn't nice enough." that's not really the problem with the debate. if that wasn't nice enough. the problem was that there were a lot of people debating at one time, but you know, what the country has gone through isn't very nice. >> sean: i'm sorry. i know everyone will feign outrage, they've never seen two

people argue before, this is terrible in them like you know what? let them go. i want to see more of this. i'd like to see ten of these debates. let them have at it and then let the american people make an informed decision. i personally want someone that's going to fight for better trade deals, fight below are taxes -- to lower taxes, fight to keep their promises and you know what? fight the lies of the media mob and fight the lies of joe biden and he told many tonight. >> laura: it would be nice if the issue of trade or china even came up in the debate, so those are two of trump's biggest wins. >> sean: hunter came up. >> laura: they moved off that real quick though if you notice. we are going to get through it all. very interesting to see you this late at night, sean. i'm going to pick it up at the midnight hour. >> sean: unfortunately -- listen, i'm not like joe biden. to be honest, i don't go to sleep before 4:00 a.m. i know joe was up way past his bedtime, needs his cocoa and a nap. because he has no idea what just

happened to him. >> laura: a little binky. great to see you. i'm laura ingraham, this is "the ingraham angle," special edition. washington tonight of course continuing reaction to what was a pretty feisty debate. we are not only going to bring you back to cleveland for exclusive reaction from the folks involved in the campaign, but we are going to do something a little different tonight. our own raymond arroyo was getting real-time reaction from voters in the all-important state of pennsylvania. his focus group from joe biden's birth place of scranton is just ahead. also, former speaker of the house and an informal advisor to president trump, newt gingrich, was watching the debate live from italy tonight. he can't miss coming on the show and we can't miss his reaction. but first, the moments that made the night and may shape the coming campaign.

>> your party wants to go socialist -- >> the party is me, right now i am -- >> they are going to dominate you. >> i am the democratic party right now, the platform -- >> drug prices will be coming down 80 or 90%. you could have done it during your 47 year period in government, but you didn't do it. nobody's done it. >> ib bernie sanders. >> not by much. >> i'm here standing facing you, old buddy. >> you have lost every -- >> there is no manifesto. >> please let him speak, mr. president. >> don't ever use the word smart with me. don't ever use that word. >> give me a break. >> there's nothing smart about you, joe. 47 years, you've done nothing. he wants to shut down this country and i want to keep it open. >> admitting he shut it down. >> let me shut you down for a second just for one second. we want to -- he wants to shut down the country.

>> if everybody wore a mask and social distance between now and january would probably save up to 100,000 lives. it matters. >> they've also said the opposite. >> no serious person said the opposite. >> dr. fauci. dr. fauci said -- >> president trump, you're holding the large rallies with crowds packed together, thousands of people. outside, yes, sir, agreed. vice president biden, you're holding much smaller events -- >> nobody will show up. >> china ate your lunch. your son goes in and he takes out -- he takes out billions of dollars, takes out billions of dollars to manage, he makes millions of dollars and also, while we are at it, why is it -- just out of curiosity, the mayor of moscow's wife gave your son three and a half million dollars. i believe them on order but you don't. the top ten cities in just about the top 40 cities are run by democrats and in many cases radical left and they've got you wrapped around her finger, joe.

he has no law-enforcement support. >> that's not true. >> who do you have? name one group that supports you. name one group that came out and supported you, go ahead, think, we have time. >> we don't have time to do anything -- >> by the way, he made a couple of statements. the green new deal is $100 trillion. >> that's not my plan. >> the green new deal is not my plan. >> laura: a raucous night, two more to go. let's get some context, a little history here. the first presidential debates were between kennedy and nixon in 1960. that was a time of peace and prosperity when the differences between the parties were relatively mild. johnson and goldwater had heated differences, but they didn't debate. nixon and humphrey and wallace had major differences, but they didn't debate. nixon and mcgovern had huge differences on all the issues, but they didn't debate either. carter and ford debated in 1976,

but neither had very strong personalities or stage presence. reagan of course crushed carter in 1980 and then he crushed mondale in 1984. but after that, for over three decades, we had middle-of-the-road candidates who weren't all that far apart on most of the issues and under the circumstances, it's not surprising that we grew accustomed to soporific debates. but the stakes in 2016 and the stakes in 2020, they are really, really big, lots of money and lots of power and lots of freedom. it's all up for grabs. and both sides are extremely concerned about who's going to win. this is 1996. it's not even 2004 or 2012. we have monumental choices to make some folks are really going to lose a lot. under the circumstances, the traditional model for

presidential debates doesn't work very well. that's a model designed to tease out minor distinctions and quibble over small points. it's not really designed to handle that type of dramatic disagreement that we saw tonight and in our politics today. but what we need now is a model that gives the candidates more time to explain their views and the layout for voters what's really at stake. because like it or not, the voters have to choose, not us in the media, but you. this isn't like 2000 when the stakes were not all that big. losing the selection will really hurt and will hurt for a very long time. i think the more you let everyone have their say, even if they are angry and upset, the better off we will all be. and i have to note this, i think trump was very strong on several points they are not going to hear elsewhere. he reminded voters that biden is

going to shut down the economy next year and that biden has no good answer. when he says national strategy, that's what he means, masks and shutting down the country. if anything, biden seemed to agree that for the lockdowns were necessary. trump also raised the issue of biden's family finances and biden never really responded to that either, not in any substantive way. trump was going on the topic of unrest and democratic cities and biden didn't have an answer on that question either, on whether he has any support. he was asked point blank, name one law enforcement organization supporting you. crickets. trump had a good answer on critical race theory and biden obviously doesn't know what's being taught in any of those seminars. just didn't seem to have a clue. and trump had the better answer on the supreme court nomination and why, according to the constitution, he's entitled to

appoint another justice. here from cleveland with reaction to all of that and more, ohio congressman jim jordan. tennessee senator marsha blackburn and steve cortes, trump 2020 senior strategy advisor. congressman jordan, let's start with you. some of these snap polls have biden winning by a slim margin. i want to remind everyone in 2016, the first debate, hillary and trump by a 62-27 margin, folks thought hillary won the debate. so what's your big take away tonight? >> well, this been a survey, 62% of the american people think they can't freely express themselves in the cancel culture mob environment we find ourselves, so 62% are afraid to express their opinion and thoughts, might the polls be a little off? might there be people when they get called by a political pollster, baby they are a little reluctant to be straightforward without pollster. i know what i feel -- west central, north central ohio,

think the trump banners, the trump science, i see all that, the same support we saw when the president won our great state by eight and a half points. i think he had a strong performance tonight and that's going to help as well. >> laura: senator blackburn, the one issue that i was disappointed that the president didn't raise, which is one of the strongest points, wages were rising for the first three years. record ways mike wage increases, people had an average of $6,000 more in their pockets from the beginning of the administration till right before the pandemic had. that wasn't asked about and it wasn't mentioned. >> we had talked a little bit about that after the debate. the economy is such a great win for president trump and i would have loved for him to say 2019, every family had 4400 more dollars in their pockets.

take that credit. the tax cuts and jobs act did this and what did joe biden say? give him a chance, he will get rid of all of that. if him a chance, he will raise taxes on corporations and laura, you know well, ronald reagan used to say corporations, businesses don't pay taxes, people do, because that cost gets passed on and it was like joe biden fumbled every question that had to do with the economy. he fumbled those stats because he doesn't have an answer for what he would do to grow the economy because he wants to lock it down, keep you at home and try to deal with coronavirus by keeping the economy shut down. >> laura: the virus would define our country for the next x number of years as people lose their livelihoods, their homes, their schools, their weddings, their proms, sports, everything and steve, again, i think you have to personalize it and the president needs to personalize

it. everybody watching tonight has to understand if you want to go to your daughter's wedding, if you want to go to prom, school, church, work among everything that makes america america. next year you will at one point in time be locked down. the president must say this at the next debate because that's what we are headed for next year, it will be cataclysmic for american families. >> absolutely, and listen, i think that was the central divide tonight. the president saying very forcefully that joe biden wants to shut you down and i want to keep it open, but i agree with you and we need to make that person was well. it was harder times for the present. he was debating two people tonight. he was debating joe biden as well as the moderator and i would also point out that both the moderator and joe biden spreading pernicious lie that unfortunately went unchecked and that is the charlottesville hoax, the fine people hoax, the idea president trump braised bigots, which he never did and in fact quite the opposite, he exquisitely condemned the racists who were in charlottesville.

unfortunately to a massive audience spent that pernicious lie was spread. joe biden in fact started -- he commenced his entire campaign based on that myth. it's important the american people know the truth. >> laura: you're absolutely right. i went back to refresh my own memory and politifact that all content checked -- they are liberal over there. if at the president said all the stuff about what was happening at the brand, said there were people there [indiscernible] against taking on the statues but it's the way it's been used and cherry picked, you're right, that is just beyond ridiculous. congressman, a big miss for joe biden was that he still -- he refuses -- he got away with this last night, he should not have gotten away with it, refusing to answer a simple question, will you pack the supreme court? watch. >> are you willing to tell the american people tonight whether or not you will support either ending the filibuster or packing the court -- >> whatever position i take on that, that will become the

issue. the issue is the american people should speak. you should go out and vote. i'm not going to exit the question -- >> why when you answer the question? >> the question is -- the question is -- will you shut up, man? >> laura: trump was the immature one? 's and all metric or the way to measure an answer, have to vote for him to find out what is going to do. just like pelosi, you got to vote for it and find out with obamacare, you got to vote for him to find out what is going to do. he should never have gotten away with that tonight. >> no. he wouldn't say whether he was for packing the court or not, he wouldn't say what law enforcement organization supports him because i don't think there are any and he said antifa like jerry nadler and so many other democrats, he said antifa is a myth, and t5 not real. that is how radical the party has become and if they win, i think the president is going to win but if they win they will do all the normal bad things, they will raise her taxes, increase regulation, tech and up atomic

energy policy, but that's not what scares me the most. what scares me the most is what they will do to your freedom, what they will do to the structure of our government, whether it's packing the court, getting rid of the electoral college, adding new states like puerto rico and d.c., that's the thing that scares me the most and that's why you said in your monologue, that's why this election is different, this election is so darn important. >> laura: freedom versus [indiscernible]. >> the present won to debates, he beat the moderator and joe biden. >> laura: there was a lot of interrupting going on biden's part that didn't get checked. i know it's hard if you like talking, but you can't put -- you just can't do that. that makes everyone uncomfortable. very difficult situation. but trump made the case against biden's shutdown agenda. watch. >> he will shut it down again. he will destroy this country. a lot of people between drugs and alcohol and depression, when you start shutting it down, you take a look at was happening at some of her democrat-run states, have based tough shutdowns.

one of them came last week, you saw that, we are going to open up a november 9th. why november 9th? because it's after the election. they think they are hurting us by keeping them close. they are hurting people. >> laura: senator, we just learned tonight that governor whitmer of michigan is of course extending covid restrictions through october. i bet november 4th they will be perhaps lifted, but you know, this is a rustbelt strategy to i guess put the economy [indiscernible]. >> well, that is what it appears to be and i think that the president was so solid when he talked about the economy, when he talked about his covid response and laura, as you well know, it took the obama and biden administration five months to come up with a strategy for h1n1 and think about where we would be if it took us that many months to come up with a strategy for covid, but

donald trump took action because leaders take action and they make decisions, they take action. he shutdown travel with china. saved thousands of lives by doing that. when agencies were moving, he called the vaccine makers in. he did operation warp speed. he called your auto manufacturers, make ventilators. >> laura: okay. >> [indiscernible]. >> laura: i personally don't want to hereby ventilators one more time. that's just me. we were hearing from cuomo they needed 50,000 ventilators. what did they need, about 11,000 in the end? they didn't get anything right, new york. i don't think ventilators should never be mentioned again. let's talk about just the looks of the debate. the mastery of the topic, energy. if you just looked at it, didn't follow much of the issues, you'd say if you're both working in the same company, and you had to

ask who was working for whom? biden is obvious the working for trump. biden is not running the company. trump is running the company and biden is trying to figure out where the pencils are stored. i'm sorry, but to me, that was obvious watching it. >> sure, no, i think you're exactly right on the optics here. this was a commander in chief versus a boxer who frankly no longer belongs in the ring. and i think it was obvious. you mentioned earlier, maybe it was sean who did him a toss up to your show that this president is a fighter and he came to fight night and you're so right, these are not small issues. for example, joe biden wants to effectively illuminate our borders, he wants to invite in illegal immigrants, promises them taxpayer-funded health care, promises them citizenship, no deportation when he takes office. that is fundamentally changing our country so we cannot have nice gentlemanly arguments or debates about those kind of issues. we have to have brawls and that's what we have tonight. >> laura: i think all of us

probably agree tonight that they need a little more time to make these points. we didn't talk about the dash the border issue wasn't even -- i don't believe wasn't even mentioned. that's a massive change to the country that nobody voted for and you're paying schooling in health care and food stamps and everything else. that's a big issue for working class americans. i know it's late, thank you so much for joining us for your insights. coming up, what did folkes and joe biden's birthplace think of his performance tonight? raymond arroyo joins us and scratch in pennsylvania where he held a real-time focus group with voters. all the eye-opening exchanges in moments. every day a little brigr with our smile wide, smile safe promise. we've got you covered, in every way, giving deep cleaning a whole new meaning. and if you don't have insurance, we'll give you an extra safety net, too, with a free new patient exam and x-rays. at aspen dental, we're making it alright

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♪ >> laura: we sent our own raymond arroyo on the road to scranton, pennsylvania, to find out what folks in bot joe bidens birthplace felt about the big debate tonight. downtowns grand hotel in the conference center there and raymond, tell us what you found. >> laura, look, here's what we did, we got a group of three undecided voters, two trump supporter's, two biden supporters and i will tease it this way, there was a convert in the course of this debate. we took on the issues as they came forward, watch. >> he wants to shut down this

country. and i want to keep it open. >> he admitted he was chatted down. >> let me shut you down for a second, just for one second grade we want to -- he wants to shutdown the country. we just went through it. we had to because we didn't know anything about the disease. >> governor, he has everythin everything -- everything held -- yeah. oh, my gosh. i could just bust. i think he's just so wrong about that. and then when he's talking about the deaths of covid, are you kidding me? look at all the democrat governors that put all these people in the nursing homes. how many numbers is that? come on. >> when he talks about scranton i think of my sister. she worked as a waitress and she is a 4-year-old daughter. the hardest thing for her was having to take care of her child while still going to work every day and when things shut down she didn't know what to do. >> if it comes to a point where the country needs to be or

certain areas need to be more locked down, if it's the responsible thing to do, to save lives, i think that that's okay. >> you're never going to have zero risk in anything. i get on the car and i'm driving on the highway, a higher chance of dying than i do with covid. >> we have to have community policing like we had before where the officers get to know the people in the communities. that's when crime went down. it didn't go up, it went down. and so we have to be engaged. >> that's not what they're talking about, chris. he is talking about defunding the police. >> that is not true. >> he doesn't have any law -- he has no law enforcement support, almost nothing. >> who do you have? name one group that supports you. name one group that came out and supported you. >> we don't have time to do anything -- >> i know biden has said that she didn't use the word defund, but it meant the same thing and i don't think trump has ever

said that. >> donald trump does not want to defund the police, he wants to take care of them but make things right with what they need help with, get the help that they need, but i don't think joe biden -- that's not where his head is at. >> i don't want to see two white males up on stage fighting back and forth about race and defunding the police because it doesn't affect them. so i think that going forward, you need to have -- they don't have a plan. we need to go forward, have a plan. >> we should be spending more money on making police -- you know, giving police the tools to deal with situations in a more appropriate way. >> so laura, that was some of the back-and-forth during the debate. then we have the postdebate wrap-up. watch some of these undecideds grappled with what they saw and we have at least one person flipped, but i won't tell you to

whom, watch. >> i'm undecided about joe biden based upon the local democrats and who i encounter. the local democrats -- hard to determine how and viewing him. i can only imagine how joe biden is going to -- when they complete the dictatorship that got going on and as far as donald trump is concerned, the only way that i'm going to vote for donald trump or even consider voting for donald trump is if donald trump understands one thing. he has to be quiet about matters of race. he has no clue what it takes for me to be a black man living in america. >> did this debate change any of your view of these candidates? raise her hand if it did. oh, really? okay. hold on, let's go to bill. bill, it changed our opinion why? >> because i've become less enchanted with both of them. i was kind of open and hoping to

hear something that was going to change my mind and i'm just disgusted by it. i mean, it's just -- i didn't see any respect on either sid side -- when trump was interrupting biden constantly. when biden turned around and said you clown the president of the united states. if a foreigner had done that we be up in arms. again, i had little respect for them, i have less now. >> for both of them? >> both of them. >> so you're still undecided. >> i'm still undecided if i was hoping that i was going to see some change today. we have two more debates and if they can make their case, then they will, but i still don't like either one of them. >> let me go to my other undecided, john, did this change the map at all for you? >> not a whole lot. if i had to vote tomorrow based on all this, it would be tough. i'm going to say if i had to

vote tomorrow i'm going to vote for our current president. >> why? >> based on -- when joe biden talks, it's very hard for him to say what he's -- a solution for something. and he just attacks, attacks. donald trump does the same thing, however, i think watching this and then the last four years, they've had for years to come up with solutions against donald trump and they have not done it. >> of the candidates had more passion, more gusto, more by the city? i've always believed it is that candidate who eventually wins the race. who thought joe biden had that my vasily, that energy, that passion? one. connor is half in. who thought trump? okay, so the majority of you thought trump -- you didn't put your hand up. you were on the fence. why not? >> i've been out a few rallies in the excitement is like wow.

tonight, i don't know. >> what was he missing tonight? >> [indiscernible]. he was trying to counteract what biden was saying, but he wasn't making his case the way he does probably at one of his rallies. >> did joe biden do what he needed to do tonight? >> i think you did. i think that the humor needs to be on twitter, not a presidential debate. i think, like i said in the beginning, i was here to hear solutions and not the humor. >> but the nastiness didn't offend you tonight? >> it didn't offend me, no. >> connor, dated offend you? some of the nasty exchanges? >> i think there are a whole a lot of important issues going on in america and i think that two guys fighting on tv isn't going to change any of them. >> there has never been -- he was sworn in as president, an

ounce of respect for that president. from the media, from anybody on the left. it's just -- there's just no respect and i think he has to fight that every day and this is why he comes off sometimes like he does. >> if you had to say who won this debate, who would you say? donald trump, show of hands. joe biden, show of hands. so it's 2-2. i have abstainers here. so it's a tie with a couple of abstentions. thank you all for your honesty, your candor and for being with us tonight. >> laura, this was quite a mixed bag tonight. it was -- many of them thought this was a runaway debate. there was no clear winner and date turned off a lot of undecideds because of the nastiness, calling the president to climb, but everybody has to get their answer sharper than the moderation of the debate

also was a question and something that many of the people here raised. >> laura: well, i have to say, the idea of being undecided, i never got that, raymond. if you don't know by now what trump's economic record is, what open borders and locking you down next year is going to do, i don't know how to explain it to you. i just don't get that at all. but it was very impressive that you and "the ingraham angle" team turned that around so fast. i know how hard that is to do and kudos to the producers and

for you, raymond. thank you so much, really interesting to see it. our next guest master the style of contention debating. in moments we have live and exclusive reaction from former speaker of the house newt gingrich from rome, stay right there. lively hearing aids have been a game changer for me. the process with lively. is insanely easy, you take a hearing test on your computer

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♪ >> the american people have a right to have a say in who the

supreme court nominee is, and that say occurs when they vote for united states senator and when they vote for the president of the united states. >> justice ginsburg said very powerfully, very strongly, at some .10 years ago or so, she said he president and the senate is elected for a period of time, but a president is elected for four years. we are not elected for three years, i'm not elected for three years. >> laura: one of the president's best moments from tonight debate another great moment was his forceful denunciation of the left's attempt at an anti-american indoctrination. >> there were teaching people to hate our country and are not going to do that. i'm not going to allow that to happen. we have to go back to the core values of this country. they were teaching people that our country is a horrible place, it's a racist place, and they were teaching people to hate our country. i'm not going to allow that to happen. >> laura: joined when i was former house speaker and in formal trump advisor,

newt gingrich. newt, great to see you. the constitution and american values, those are two weak spots providing exposed by the president tonight in that small exchange. >> i think that's right. and i have to say, i just noticed that telemundo on their spanish-language version ran a poll for the viewers and this is a little bit of a surprise, they think trump is the winner by 66-34. and that's on the spanish-language version of telemundo, which i'm sure is something that no democratic consultant wants to hear. i think that biden did okay because he didn't collapse. i think a lot of us looked in there, we really wondered which biden was going to show up, but he actually had no answers, he had no substance, his dispositions are either vague or frankly unacceptable to the american people. i think president trump went into dominate, whether that's a good or a bad strategy we will have to decide later but he did

dominate. and i think he was communicati communicating, want a guy in charge, he's going to go out and do that. i think the result was for a lot of viewers that it was sort of shocking to see the level of hostility on the level of intensity. frankly, you go back four years, the debates with hillary clinton were very similar. i think trump represents dramatic change, liberals hate him, and i think that that's -- biden was expressing how strongly they dislike him and i think for a lot of americans, you know, calling the president a clown is totally an acceptable, but on the left, that's probably the mildest thing you can call him. >> laura: newt, i think tonight biden was representing the swamp and president trump was representing america. and the rest of america and the swamp wants to take the power back and biden, by the way, vegas really -- i thought a troubling remark about voting on election day.

>> we are going to make sure that those people who want to vote in person are able to vote because there are not poll watchers there to make sure they can socially distance, the polls are open on time and the polls stay open until the votes are counted and this is all about trying to dissuade people from voting because he's trying to scare people into thinking that it's not going to be legitimate. >> laura: so wait, he wants the polls to stay open until the votes are counted and then he went on to say mail-in ballots can come in on election night and they can be counted days later, so what does that exactly mean and what kind of chaos does that throw into this? >> that was a -- that's like his serving the senate for 180 years. that's like 200 million people have died from covid. biden can't handle details very well. he did much better tonight than certainly i thought he would. but in the end -- in some states

they are talking about their ballots can come up to nine days after the election. i don't think that biden meant they should keep the polls open for nine days but again, what people see is a very aggressive, very tough guy in trump who really works hard to get specific things done and as he you see a very pleasant, kind of laid back guy in biden who talks in vague generalities and would like you to think is a nice guy. by the way, i think he is the swamp. he doesn't just represent -- this guy has been around for 48 years in washington. at some point, you do get to be classified as part of the swamp if you've been in it for 48 years. >> laura: the swamp become solid and you are part of it, a fossil at that point. biden actually, newt, also brought up that obscene and defamatory falsehood job in the atlantic claiming that the president had mocked dead soldiers, but then tonight, the

president had this comeback ready to go. >> he made a statement about the military. you set i said something with the military. he and his friends made it up and then they went with it. i never said it. >> sir, you are done in this segment. mr. vice president -- >> i did not say that. >> he said stupid -- >> please, sir, stop. >> play it. >> laura: he was kind of talked over at that point by the moderator a believe and biden, but that is on tape and people don't believe it, biden asked for the tape, let's play it. [applause] >> [indiscernible]. >> laura: biden has to be careful what he wishes for. that clip has been around for a long time. he's said a lot of dumb things. >> one of the things -- i just

say this -- if you're a conservative and you're in a debate like this, you have to be aggressive. because the tactic of the left, both from the standpoint of the moderator and from standpoint of the candidate is going to be to put in things and hope that you'll be patient and you'll be pleasant and builder to smear you and defame you with things that aren't true and if you're not very aggressive in coming back at those things, you're just going to get run off the stage and if you go back and look at the republicans who didn't do well in debates, they were people who were nice and they were pleasant and they allowed the moderator and the democrat to define the debate. trump went in there i think determined to break it all up and impose his ideas, his values, his experience and to a sense pulled the mask off of biden, that's why he went after hunter biden so strongly. that's why he went after -- biden doesn't recognize that antifa is an organization.

>> laura: i mean, where has he been? someone has got to tell nt for that. >> biden has to represent the left or he would not have a chance at the democratic nominee. so he can't deal with law and order. i thought the moment when he could not name a single police group that was endorsing him -- i mean, what a huge change. historically police groups were for the democrats, big cities, from democratic areas and now they are virtually unanimous that for trump. it's a very big change. >> laura: newt, so great to see you tonight, give our best to roam and the ambassador, great to see you. some surprising polls as newt just mentioned, coming out tonight. one was really, really interesting, plus the overall media reaction that i know you missed. they break it all down next. look here, it's your very own all-in-one

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♪ >> laura: before the debate tonight, the polls were unanimous in finding that only a fraction of voters believed this debate would even change their mind. a cbs poll from earlier today showed only 6% of voters tuned intimate because they were undecided. but a very interesting poll came out after the debate. over the spanish-speaking network telemundo. 66% of those viewers trump won while only 34% thought biden did. joining me now is charlie hurt, "washington times" opinion editor and fox news opinion editor. and tom bevan, tom, we know the democrats are worried about trump cutting into their advantage with latino voters, which they still do have, but does a poll like this tell us

anything? >> i don't put much stock in these snap goals after the debate. i'll be interested to see in the data that comes out in the following days if that's reflected in some of the national, particularly some of the state polling data. we see trump has been doing well with hispanics in florida and north carolina and others, so to the extent that that continues or he gains more, then i will give some credence to the idea that hispanics in particular viewed this debate favorably for donald trump. >> laura: charlie, there's the totally rational reaction from the anti-trump propagandists over at cnn. >> that was a hot mess inside a dumpster fire inside a train wreck. it wasn't even a debate, it was a disgrace. and it was primarily because of president trump. >> i don't think we've ever seen a president of the united states completely lacking in shame. i mean, just shameless.

and oh beastly immoral. >> that was a [bleep] show. >> laura: oh beastly immoral, what? >> is that what he said? i've never -- >> to >> laura: both grammatically challenged and incredibly rude, but go ahead, charlie. >> exactly. one thing i would say that that was, that was definitely a debate. and i think joe biden was joe biden, he didn't make a lot of sense. he spent half the time talking about -- blaming president trump or shutting down the economy and then spent the other half of the time promising to shut the economy down himself if he gets elected. so joe biden didn't make any sense. so my complaint would be with president trump. president trump is the most strategic political thinker with out of the white house in our lifetime. he's a very strategic thinker anand i wished he approached the debates a little bit more strategically.

for example, when you go out there and you talk about the judgeships, getting 300 judges on the bench, which of course is a monumental achievement and it's the kind of thing that supporters like myself are most thrilled with him about, but he's got to win over people who don't currently support him and the way to do that is nailing the economy, talking about law and order, and then even winning about the argument on the chinese played, a great argument to make on that. and those of the three points he's got to hammer the entire time to win over people who don't already support him and i wish he would approach these things a little bit more strategically. it's not a monster rally. we know he's great at those, but he needs to think a little bit more carefully for the next debate. >> laura: women voters and undecideds, there are not that many of the undecideds but they

are important. the media, they are already laying the groundwork and we knew this was coming. for biden to perhaps skip the next two debates. >> if you were joe biden's team, would you do another one? >> wouldn't be surprised by the way -- if this is the last presidential debate between the president of the united states and the former vice president of the united states, but we shall see. >> i don't think the country is going to be yearning for another one of these. i think biden has a decision to make. >> laura: well, what you think about that? i mean, tom, pretty wild idea. yes or no, will there be debates? >> i had always said that the argument that democrats were making of these debates, that he shouldn't debate at all, they weren't threatening that he wouldn't abate, they were actually setting the bar so that he would only have to debate once. floating a trial balloon so

there would be one debate, not three. we are seeing that play out now. i still think it would be a pretty -- >> laura: with guttural, got to cut you off. when we come back, the media's favorite live.

>> a friend of mine in kansas city, watching her first debate with her sixth-grade daughter, daughter burst into

tears and has to run into bed because she was so appalled, the sixth grade girl come on what she saw from the president of the united states. >> laura: true story or projection? how many times have we heard the left and the media speak of these aaron sorkin level melodramas from kids that just happen to be playing out all of their own agendas? well, their text messages. that is all the time we have tonight. shannon bream and the "fox news at night" team make it up from here. shannon? >> shannon: i was one o one nerd kids that cared about politics, sixth grade, i don't know, all right, it's in the books, we are going to break it down. laura, you've done a great job. all right, the first of three debates between president donald trump and his democratic challenger for the white house joe biden will be remembered for interruptions, fire, the accusations candidates