is what a brawl it was. if you were judging this, the winner was the person who declared the greatest force of personality would declare donald trump the winner because he was like a bucking bronco through the whole thing. i am not sure people at home find that appealing. vice president biden - ♪

jillian: a political/in cleveland. in the next hour, a breakdown. todd: it looks so common. jillian: it is wednesday. todd: donald trump and joe biden trading jabs in an old part first debate. jillian: they put each other to task on everything from the supreme court to the pandemic and we are breaking it all down for you with political analysts ron meyer ready with his key take aways for tonight. todd: we start with griff jenkins in cleveland. >> reporter: we never saw a debate during the pandemic or

gets over 3 all, and engage in the most important issues in the economy. and coronavirus. >> they didn't want to panic the american people. and his millions of people would have died. one person is too much. >> it is so by eastern, this will be gone away, by the warm weather it would be gone, like a miracle. >> very political thing because people like this would rather make a political and save lives. >> reporter: americans wonder what the impact of covid-19 will be on the election, the integrity issue came up as well. >> this will be a fraud like you have never seen. these ballots will be all over. >> are you counting on the

supreme court including justice barrett? >> counting on them to look at the ballots. >> it still should be counted, afraid of counting the votes. >> reporter: when talk turned to the supreme court, refused to answer the question, whether he would seek the packet. >> whatever position i'm take would be the issue. the issue is the american people should speak, you should go out and vote. i'm not going to answer the question because the question is -- >> radical left -- >> we you shut up, man? >> who is on your list, joe? >> reporter: the president's refusal to denounce white supremacy when talking about law and order. >> the people of this country want and demand law and order and you are afraid to say.

are you in favor of law and order? >> people get treated fairly. >> what do you want to call them? >> stands back and stand by. >> not malicious. >> the fbi director. >> the big take away, it was more brawl than debate and i'm not sure undecided voters got the information they needed but it will leave the next one wondering what to expect. the candidates back on the campaign trail, from ohio to pennsylvania, the president has another rally in minnesota. >> how did a follow-up last night? that is the question, we will see. griff jenkins in cleveland. >> did the debate help or hurt joe biden's popularity? >> hope you enjoyed your 45 minute nap.

one of the key moments involved climate change, take a listen. >> i don't support the green new deal. i support the biden -- i support the biden plan that i put forward. the biden plan which is different from what he calls the radical green new deal. todd: how much did he hurt himself with progressives with regard to that answer? >> this was trump's biggest success was putting biden in a corner where he had to choose going to the middle or going towards progressives. a lot of it, biden told progressives he would leave them behind but talks out of both sides of his mouth, statements with bernie sanders to get aoc behind his campaign but in this debate i don't support the green new deal, i don't support black lives matter the trump brought up.

the interesting take aways, and alienated his base, it doesn't get people excited to show up and vote and what does that have on the election? of joe biden's base decided to vote, will that be enough for joe biden when you have base for donald trump. >> a quick follow-up. this comes down to the matters in the end, do you think there are progressives that will sit out this election, look to 2024 instead because of last night's performance by joe biden? >> most people who are progressives hate the president they are going to vote but there are a lot of younger progressives along the lines of socialists and may not show up because they don't see a difference between biden and trump on issues they care about

and are waiting for somebody more radical. i do think in a lot of ways there is a lot of undecided voters who may not show up because they -- the worst presidential debate in history to watch, doesn't give people to show up and make time especially with covid-19 and make the time to vote. >> the question on twitter last night around the time it is over asking if its way them one way or another. and 99% of people, didn't change my mind at all. interesting to see how that plays out in coming days, law and order as a big conversation but let's listen to what the president had to say. >> almost every law enforcement group in the united states, you don't have any law enforcement, you can't say the word law enforcement because if you say those words you lose all your radical left supporters.

they've got you wrapped around your finger to the point you don't want to say anything about law and order. jillian: how did the president do on that messaging? >> one of the stronger points for donald trump because joe biden had to step away from his faith but joe biden, and the rioting going on, the most pointed questions, reaching out to the democratic governors, i didn't call anybody. he has phone numbers for democratic governors. moderates were undecided voters, much election to want to participate. todd: ron meyer, two segments on wednesday morning.

jillian: when it comes to progressive versus onerous, dan ongino said biden did that with his base. >> forget independents, a base election, you need to understand that, trump is an apex predator, the lion king, trump went out and did what trump does, the shark in the ocean and acted like it, lost no one from his base, no one but what did he do to biden? why do you think he brought up the predators remark? why did he bring up the green new deal? why do you think he brought up government run healthcare in the public option? he wanted biden on record saying he doesn't support that stuff. what will that do? that will alienate biden's base, biden lost everything with his base. jillian: biden was working closely with progressives

creating a unity task force with bernie sanders. >> a portland police sergeant punched in the face during a violent protests recovering after being hospitalized, rioters spraying five officers with a chemical outside the police union building, 24 people arrested, some carried makeshift shields and more heavy body armor. portland seeing 120 straight days of unrest. >> michael flynn's attorney accuses the judge to recuse himself after bias during tuesday's hearings, simi valley judge sullivan got into a heated exchange over the judge wanting to proceed with the prosecution. powell admitted she briefed the president but asked him not to pardon the former national security adviser, sullivan had skepticism over flynn's legal team on the doj's efforts to dismiss the case, it is 10 minutes after the hour, despite the coronavirus the economy remains a top issue in 2020. >> greatest economy in the history of our country and it is being built again.

i have done more in 47 months, more than you've done in 47 years. todd: economics professor said biden offered little substance, he explains next.

>> reporter: the first president to leave office having fewer jobs in his administration than when he became president. we handed him a booming economy. >> it is being built again. >> i've done more in 47 months than you've done in 47 years. >> with doing messages on the economy pouncing on the other's record, the number one issue for voters, the next guest says biden's dilemma is trump's opportunity. brian brent berg joins me to explain why. what do you mean by that?

>> an interesting situation to win the nomination of his party he had to move left on taxes, spending, healthcare but his pitch to voters, i am a moderate, that is the corner he has painted for himself in this election and that is trump's opportunity because what the president should be doing is telling voters where you stand, are you with the left of the party who gave you the nomination or the moderate you claim to be. that the issue biden has to answer in these debates, we never got there, we never got in substance to the point where joe biden had to explain where he stands on the economy. that is where voters see the gap between these candidates.

todd: people are curious, they did not get that last night. the two candidates sparring over the obama administration and biden's time in it. >> the slowest economic recovery, turn on the lights and pick up a lot. >> we inherited the worst recession short of depression in american history. i was asked to bring it up, and economic recovery -- >> you study these numbers, you know these numbers, who is right? >> obama biden started with a bad situation but donald trump is right the recovery was incredibly slow, unremarkable job gains, wage gains and that is what trump meant when he talked about starting in 2016 with a recovery that hadn't picked up steam.

when it comes to wages, jobs, growth and things like manufacturing, trump has the better arguments, biden's track record isn't great, no one looks back at that and says i want to repeat that again. that is why the president's opportunity to say what are you going to do differently because americans don't want to go back to that slow recovery, as a native minnesotan donald trump headed to minnesota. my question is why, the state has gone democratic for most of recent history. what does donald trump say in minnesota that leads him to believe he can flip it this year? >> he sees it is up for grabs. it is interesting, outside the twin cities of minneapolis and st. paul minnesota is trending

red, in 2016 we saw the president flip 19 counties that went for obama. there is a lot of movement in his direction and has to do with the economy, china, trade in the northern part of minnesota in mining and industrial area moving in his direction, he sees an opportunity and he and his campaign have been all over the state. i was there for six months over the past year and the enthusiasm for trump is palpable. there is a big opportunity and he season and his campaign tried to be there. todd: not just an economist but all the faceted individual, appreciate your time and insight. jillian: it is 18 after the hour, the first showdown in the books, how do people on the right, left and center rate the

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>> make sure you let people know. i'm not going to answer the question. the question is - >> the radical left -- >> we set up, man? >> we shouldn't be surprised by looking at those dials. >> republicans gave it and coming defendants to see and democrats a be. overall joe biden took the punches, stood and lost his cool a couple times, his supporters felt confident he would stand through this. independents were turned off. does it mean they will continue to engage and have hope and are they going to vote after what they just saw? todd: the president of the united states on the transition of power. when they listen to joe talking

about transition there has been no transition, i won that election and talking about crooked hillary clinton and all the different people, they came after me trying to do a point. they started from the day i won and even before i won. when i came down the escalator with the first lady a disaster, disgrace to the country and we caught them all. >> republicans agree, they gave it a b plus, independents a c plus, democrats don't necessarily agree with it, i am focused on those independent voters and they agree, from the moment he announced his candidacy from the time he won, this is the message that did resonate, fair amount of frustration by the tone that was taken.

>> from the progressives for the party, saying he is the democratic party. >> >> trying to win the nomination that i won. biden wanted to allow people to have private insurance. they can, they do, they will. >> party doesn't say. the party wants to go socialist. and dominate you. >> i'm the democratic party right now. the platform of the democratic party is what i approved of. >> i don't know what to do that. >> with all the back and forth, i don't know. this is an important moment for joe biden.

who is this joe biden? more progressive or moderate, the joe biden we knew before or moving towards party standards? he answered that question which reinforced -- democrats given a b plus, independents a c-the republican response, important for joe biden to define who he was, deciding who it was, neither candidate did. i was surprised. when i asked the people who responded last might who they thought won, a third thought biden did, a third thought no one won. never heard so many people say nobody won. >> the general consensus, we carter, appreciate that. >> what about the mainstream media? >> it was a complete disaster.

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>> the art of the deal, china perfected the art of the steel. it is hard to get any word in with this clown. i don't support the green new deal. jillian: fireworks during last night's debate and more fireworks after is the mainstream media ripped apart. >> that was a hot mess inside a dumpster fire inside the train wreck. >> a complete disaster. >> the worst presidential debate i have ever seen. todd: a hot mess inside a dumpster fire inside a train wreck. is that fair? adam gillett joins us. do you agree with those assessments? >> it was a mess. people say hosting the oscars is the most thankless job in showbiz. chris wallace have an argument

to the contrary. the media spent months building up joe biden is if he is this elder statesman who can unite us, bring us together. last night was an argument for him to stay in his basement to. i don't think he has enthusiasm for himself. jillian: if you are looking at it from the moderate, independent or undecided voter looking at the debate to get their questions answered a lot of people said i didn't know what to think, wasn't swayed one way or the other. from that sense do you think the next two debates need to go better and get some more questions answered? >> biden needs to add more substance. last night in a 2-man debate biden finished third. he has to be more assertive, pretend to be the state when the media makes them out to be and has 2 decide if he's going to

appease his progressive base or be the moderate candidate he purports to be. last night he did neither and probably angered both. todd: is it possible for him to do that with a powerful force that is donald trump? whether you like him or not donald trump is a force on that stage. >> unquestionably, trump barely gave him a moment to chat. at times felt like the debate was between trump and wallace himself. don't know how biden is going to get in there. how is he going to go to the negotiating table with china or russia or north korea. they are not going to have a moderator to help, he's got to step up and show he is capable of the job. jillian: a lot of people with that viewpoint, to make sure he is speaking to the public to get his opinions heard. as you know there's been a lot of conversation about years of election integrity, are those

fears vowing? let's listen to the report on mail in ballots. >> there is fraud, they found some with the name trump just happened to have been in trump the other day in a wastepaper basket. >> no one has established at all that there is fraud related to mail in ballots. jillian: what do you think the response? >> mail in voting invites fry. we had legal, fair, relatively safe mail in voting for years with absentee ballots, request a ballot and we will send them to you. they pretend if unsolicited, we mail ballots to every american, that is not going to invite fraud, but mailed into every registered voter people who have died, just asking for trouble. can't see why anyone would support that and you can't vote the a male with absentee ballots.

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already selling will you shut up, man, t-shirt. no one sells shirts like politicians do. as for the bickering a topic of conversation this morning and people on both sides of the aisle, take a look at this gift from ben schapiro, the guy in the middle. the winner of the debate is chris wallace for not flipping his desk and walking out by now. i'm sure he felt like he wanted to but he did not. jillian: joe biden, big moment, he is not for the green new deal. >> i don't support the green new deal. i support the -- >> the radical left -- >> i support the biden plan. the biden plan which is different than what he calls the radical green new deal. carley: how do progressives feel

about that comment? alexandria ocasio cortez answered that posting a tweet saying our differences are why i joined biden's climate unity task force, so we could set aside our differences and figure out a aggressive climate plan to address the planetary crisis, trump doesn't even believe in climate change but the truth is biden may not have endorsed the green new deal but he sees value in it. 's website says biden believes the green new deal the crucial framework for meeting the climate challenges we face. his plan may not be as aggressive as what alexandria ocasio cortez wants to see but it is a progressive plan, $2 trillion over four years. todd: a lot of people pointing out the contrast online. i saw that posted 9 trillion times. jillian: nominees going head to head on the pandemic response.

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>> look at what is happening in democrat run state with tough shutdowns, but they don't want to open it. they are closing. and we are doing records, people

want their schools open, they want their restaurants. >> joe biden playing the blame game on the president's response to the pandemic and both laid out plans for getting the economy back open, who do you trust to do it and do it safely? medical contributor dr. nicole saphier will join me from seattle. thank you, appreciate it. from what you heard last night and experienced during the course of the pandemic who do you trust to get your business and lives back on track? >> donald trump most certainly, donald trump has experience in business to understand what our economy needs in order to recover from this incredible crisis. if the left could stop

distracting our communities and people from the important job he has to get done we could make more progress. >> at the end of the day, who is going to biden are not going to biden, mister biden for lack of a better term, somebody who can get in the fight for all americans including small business owners. jillian: we will listen to this, the president saying the vaccine is being politicized. >> we don't trust him at all, i know you don't, distribution of that vaccine will not occur until the middle of next year. >> i spoken to the companies and we could have a lot sooner. it is very political thing, people like this would rather make it political. jillian: does it help to play the political game. the pandemic has affected so many people's lives, does it help when you hear joe biden say i don't trust him?

>> two topics came up, one including vaccination. not helpful to say i don't trust donald trump but i will trust the scientists, scientists are putting forth the vaccines, clinical researchers doing clinical trials. they do not answer to donald trump. they will go on after donald trump's terms. and then saying they don't trust, trust in the american people which we do not need when it comes to vaccines. the other important point with millions of americans lost their jobs with the covid-19 pandemic. a lot of americans also lost health insurance. neither one of them answered how they would make sure they will

not only get a job but they will get the health insurance. joe biden continues to say medicaid, medicare, and and and a lot of americans, they are going to get a job and what health insurance are going to have. >> what questions do you still have that you want answered in the next debate. >> small business owners can be protected from litigation, pre-abca24 we have five stores in an office and we negotiate with resolution, with properties, law enforcement for

six months in two weeks ago they seized all communication, opening stores and other properties, with $100 lawsuit in the period when hawaii was under two forced closures. $7 million in cash on hand, so we would see protection all the way, i don't know if the threshold was $5 million or $10 million in revenue. >> it is a domino effect, getting jobs back to americans, how do we do that? small business owners of america are attacked and still struggling to open their doors and gain back lost revenue.

how do you offer jobs back to people in the foot traffic is not coming through. people are fearful to shop in closed malls, closed spaces where social distancing is almost impossible. >> all 3 of you, dr. nicole saphier will talk about this later. thank you for joining us, appreciate it. todd: joe biden moving to the middle. how will this brew? how will true blue liberals feel about that? . and absorb wet messes, all in one disposable pad. just vacuum, spray mop, and toss.

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>> i'm totally opposed to defending police officers. i don't support the green new deal. would you shut off man? >> the fact of the matter is i beat bernie sanders. my party is me. i am -- >> they are going to dominate. todd: biden the moderate you? he tries to distance himself from bernie sanders and the far left faction at the debate.

jillian: geon oh caldwell and tony katz, thanks for being here, appreciate it. your biggest take aways, seems like he was setting himself apart from the far left portion of the democratic party. >> i thought there was a clear winner of the debate as announced on saturday night live. honestly waiting for the debate to begin. it was a true dumpster fire where i believe donald trump missed a number of opportunities to win effective blows on joe biden when it comes to racial reconciliation, the economy, when it comes to his son, these things were not clearly explained since it seemed he was talking directly to his supporters who know these issues but the people you need are

those in the middle. this debate actually convinced some people not to even vote which is troubling for both sides. todd: i will turn that into a question for tony. your big take away, the question that follows up, are there progressives that watched the debate and said joe biden is too center for me, don't like either it won't support joe biden so i will sit out to see if the bernie sanders, aoc, people like that get on the ballot? >> that has been the conversation from the beginning that joe biden is and progressive enough and did it again last night, a massive take away from this debate and i argue the people who see these broke last night but the story

of joe biden saying he's not in favor of the green new deal but said he was, not in favor of defunding police, miserable to the progressive base but a lot of other things were joe biden didn't answer questions that you will watch them become big talking points like packing the court. this is another moment where joe biden didn't answer the question about packing the court, adding more supreme court justices, there is no number of supreme court justices in the constitution. let joe biden talk and you have a lot more ammunition you can use against him. one of the other ones the idea of the open and closed society regarding coronavirus was a clear delineation between the two and business owners in ohio, pennsylvania and florida don't want a president who will shut them down again and make them unable to support their families.

jillian: we have you talking about violence in chicago, we had a conversation with you many times, law and order was a big topic last night. look at the number of homicides in 27 us cities by an average of 53% from june to august of 2015. take a listen to the conversation on law and order. >> got you wrapped around your finger to the point you don't want to say anything about law and order. >> antifa is an idea, not an organization. >> law enforcement group -- jillian: who came out on top of the conversation last night? vod trump won this argument best when he says name one police group that supports you. truth of the matter is joe biden and his team have been avoiding talking to mayors, as chris wallace pointed out, that has -- like in portland and other places that has the massive

riots, protests, that weren't really protests but was massive destruction of property. and this is something that i think the president rightly pushed down joe biden's throat as a figure of speech, of course. so, with this being the case, that will be an issue for him because that's something that impacts suburban voters, moms, they actually care about this issue and just generally everyone cares about being -- todd: who won the law and order? >> >> i think president trump did because it's his more natural wheel house that line where joe biden was asked have you called any mayors and said what are you doing he? said i'm not an elected official. that's seen as a copout. it's going to get washed aside, unfortunately, because of a lot of cross talk. that was a big, big moment and it was donald trump option to win and on that one he does come out successful. todd: it certainly was something, gentlemen. we appreciate you watching and getting up with us. it's so interesting to see what number 2 is like.

does he listen to tony and lay back and allow joe biden i think we are seeing they are going to get there. got to go, gentlemen, gianno, tony, appreciate it. jillian: coverage continues on fox and friends. have a good day, everyone. we will be back here tomorrow. >> under this president we have become weaker, sicker, poorer, more divided. >> in 47 months, i have done more than have you done in 47 years, joe. a lot of people die and a lot more are going to die unless he gets smarter. >> don't use the word smart with me. because you know what? nothing smart about you. >> i'm not going to answer the question. >> why won't he answer the question? >> the question is. >> just radical left. >> will you shut up, man? >> who is on your list, joe? >> your party wants to go socialist. >> i amount democratic party right now. number two. number- >> -- far left. >> i'm not going to listen to him. the fact of the matter is, i beat bernie sanders.

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