>> set your dvr for 6:00 a.m. eastern every morning so you don't miss a minute of us. >> happy birthday to my son. he is 24 today. they grow up too fast. >> sandra: president trump back on the campaign trail today and joe biden is home in delaware. all of this as both candidates continue their debate attacks. as we learn of some big changes that could be coming for the remaining debates. good thursday morning everyone. i'm sandra smith. hello, trace. >> trace: good morning, i'm trace gallagher. president trump slammed joe biden last night during a campaign rally in duluth, minnesota. the president said he used the first debate to do what the corrupt media has refused to do and hold joe biden accountable. on the other side biden went after trump during a whistle stop tour and called president

trump a national embarrassment. both sides sharpening attacks with 33 days to go before the election. >> president trump: i held joe biden accountable for his 47 years of lies. 47 years of betrayal, and 47 years of failure. i held joe accountable for shipping your jobs and dreams abroad and for bowing to the violent mob at home. can you imagine these people the way they take over these democrat cities? i don't even believe it. >> trump has no plan, no ideas. didn't express a single plan he had about how he will move forward. for 90 minutes he tried everything to distract. everything possible. and it just didn't work. >> trace: john roberts live for us on the north lawn. john, good morning to you. what's the president doing today? >> good morning, to you, trace. president trump looking at television this morning to see reaction from his rally last night in duluth. we'll likely hear from him when he leaves the white house in

the 1:00 hour. kayleigh mcenany has that briefing that sandra mentioned a moment ago as well. the president has a fundraiser in bedminster this afternoon. no actual campaign events. he will be on the trail again tomorrow in florida and then saturday in wisconsin. a campaign that was already hot has certainly gotten hotter after tuesday's debate. the president going after biden on a number of fronts in duluth last night. he tackled biden on the issue of law and order knocking him for announcing at the debate -- for not saying at the debate that law and order is important and that he could not name a police organization that has endorsed him. listen to the president here. >> president trump: law enforcement. he wouldn't say it. i said name one group in the entire nation. i've got minnesota now. i've got everybody. [cheering and applause] in the entire nation name one

from law enforcement that's supporting you. he says antifa is just an idea. [booing] >> president trump: antifa is a domestic terrorist organization. >> biden on a whistle stop tour through ohio and pennsylvania had harsh words for the president and how he conducted himself in that debate on tuesday. here. >> the president of the united states conducted himself the way he did, i think it was just a national embarrassment. and -- but look, i just hope that the american people and those undecided voters try to determine what each of us has that's an answer for their concerns. allows us to actually speak. >> the president claimed biden wants to bail out of the next

two debates. but yesterday they said they're looking forward to the next smackdown in miami. >> trace: we know the miami one will be a town hall format. >> they think of putting a cage -- no, i'm kidding. what they're going to do. commission on presidential debates yesterday obviously was very concerned about what happened on tuesday night and they said they are going to make some changes before the next debate. in a statement the cbd said additional structures should be added to the remaining debates to insure more orderly discussion of the issues. the trump campaign taking issue with that saying they're not only doing this because their guy got pummeled last night. president trump was the dominant force and joe biden is trying to work the rest. they shouldn't be moving the goalposts and changing the rules in the middle of the game. the president's team wanted him to be aggressive on tuesday night but even chris christie, who helped prepare the president, said he came off too

hot. the more i think about it, this idea of a cage must be a good one. >> trace: the commission is thinking cage, cage? not a bad idea. john roberts. >> ufc can sponsor the whole thing. >> trace: there is money to be made there. john roberts. thank you. >> sandra: more on all that let's bring in dan henninger. pick up where they left off. do you think changes are necessary to the debate structure? >> yeah, i think the commission on presidential debates is probably living in a dream world these days if they think they can run a normal debate. those days are gone. you know, sandra, people ask me all the time where i get my information. and i said what do you mean? the world is full of information, newspapers, television, the answer is we don't trust that information.

it's partisan and contentious. so people believe that a lot of what they read and hear now is spin. the idea you get two candidates on stage and get anything other than spin is a dream as well. most of the world, including journalism, lives in a world of twitter. journalists are on twitter all day long expressing opinions in 140 words. that debate the other night was like a succession of tweets, blurts and suggestions about thoughts related to what's going on in the news. we all agreed it was a fiasco, it didn't convey any information. i'm not sure that commission is going to be able to come up with any format short of not only putting them in cages but putting them in cages in separate cities where they can't speak to one another where you are going to get any information out of either one of these candidates. >> sandra: oh man, that's a harsh reality that you are painting a picture of there. perhaps you agree with this in

the hill. time to kill the presidential debates. they no longer serve their purpose. the issue is not the format of the debate but simply the candidates face no consequence for talking over the opponent, not answering the question or lying in answers. nothing works and nothing will work short of a cattle prod and legal immunity. time to take these political events and relegate them to the history books like the debates of old, the modern debate is dead. can i challenge this, dan? doesn't the debate format still serve a very necessary function for the american voter to finally see the two candidates -- i understand your point about twitter and out there all over the place on the campaign trail and president's rallies. this is an opportunity to see those two candidates together and to face each other and take on those supposed lies or allegations or whatever it is and hash it out in realtime in front of the american public.

>> it is. and it is not just seeing the two candidates but in our time trying to find out what the two candidates stand for. this is just not a personality contest. these people are not in a casting call for a series on netflix. they are to be the president of the united states. and presumably the president will be policies on taxes, economy, foreign policy. our day the coronavirus. that's what the american people want to hear. the question is can you find a format that allows both candidates to convey in any kind of coherent way what they believe about these subjects? and that has become a challenge in our time because debates, politics is very emotional and candidates -- not just these debates but the ones we saw in the primaries. candidates now want to jump in. they interrupt. some of the people i spoke to about this debate said it was like a teacher trying to corral

two students in a classroom. there is a childishness about politics today. the question is how can you get presidential candidates to in a word grow up? >> sandra: it's the nonpartisan debate commission. we hope that they can do something with the structure to really focus on the issues to the american people because these are important and have been historically important. dan, appreciate it, thank you. >> trace: kentucky judge has delayed the release of secret grand jury proceedings in the breonna taylor's killing by police until friday. audio recordings were supposed to be made public yesterday but state prosecutors asked for more time to edit out any information that could identify witnesses. the decision comes as attorney general daniel cameron says he did not recommend any murder charges to the grand jury because his office found they were not appropriate. >> sandra: police say that they have charged a suspect in the ambush shooting of two los

angeles county sheriffs deputies last month caught on video. 36-year-old man has ties to a gang and was already being held on separate carjacking charges. >> pistol recovered was the pistol used to shoot the transit services deputy. additionally that pistol was conclusively linked through forensic testing to suspect deonte murray? other than the fact he hates policemen and wants them dead, not a specific motive. >> sandra: william la jeunesse, what are we learning about all this? >> the judge set bail at $6 billion for murray, a black male. his attorney complained that murray is hungry. jail guards are throwing away his food. the judge denied the request to move him to a more comfortable environment but ordered a review. the massive manhunt was underway to find the shooter

and it was an unrelated carjacking two weeks prior that led to his capture. murray stole a black mer aids and shot the driver. police gave chase later, he threw the handgun out the window that matches the one used to shoot the deputies. his prints and dna are on the gun and ballistics match those retrieved from the victims. >> we believe the evidence in this case is strong and supports our filing decision. today my office charged deante murray with deliberate and pre-meditated attempted murder of a peace officer. >> detectives have video of murray in that stolen mercedes, before, at and fleeing the crime scene. the sheriff thanked the publics for tips and how some cheered when the deputies were shot and hoped they would die at the hospital.

>> it's part of the environment we're in right now. it is scary situation in the sense that there are people that have such deep seated hatred toward law enforcement they are willing to kill unprovoked. >> the deputies, one 31 and 24 face reconstructive surgery and expected to return to work and the sheriff expects the reward money will be paid out if murray is found guilty. >> sandra: thank you. trace. >> trace: nevada judge approved an $800 million settlement for victims of the deadly mass shooting at a country music festival in las vegas three years ago today. mgm resorts and insurers will make pay-outs to more than 4400 victims and relatives. 58 people were killed when a gunman opened fire on the crowded festival from his hotel room window. 850 others were hurt in the

most deadly mass shooting in u.s. history. the shooter later committed suicide and miss motive was never determined. >> sandra: james comey testifying on capitol hill he does not recall hearing about claims that hillary clinton was behind efforts to smear president trump by tying him to russia. plus a potentially troubling sign for president trump when it comes to mail-in ballots in key swing states. ronna mcdaniel here to react. >> president trump: get your friends and get your family and get your neighbors and get your co-workers and get out and vote. we have to win. we have to win. please, go out and vote. searching for a way to help stop your cold sore? only abreva can get rid of it in...

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>> trace: james comey testifying on capitol hill saying he does not recall a plan by hillary clinton to smear president trump for collaborating with russians to interfere in the election. here is what he told the senate judiciary committee about a 2016 referral from intelligence officials. >> you don't remember getting that or being told that -- >> that doesn't ring any bells with me. >> that's stunning it didn't ring a bell. it did come to you. >> did you open an investigation? >> i don't know what that refers to.

it doesn't ring any bells with me when i read that. >> trace: john ratcliffe has stated the claim against clinton was unproven and could be an exaggeration or fabrication but there was enough there to warrant an intelligence briefing to president obama in 2016. >> president trump: joe biden is too weak to lead this country. you know biden lost badly when his supporters are saying he should cancel the rest of the debates. now i understand he is canceling the debates. i don't think that will be a good move. >> sandra: president trump at a campaign rally last night in minnesota talking about his debate performance the other night. will it change with new rules potentially for future debates? the commission on presidential debates saying it sponsors the events for the benefit of the american electorate. the first debate made it clear additional structures should be added to insure a more orderly discussion of the issues. ronna mcdaniel shares the republican national committee

and joins us now. after we heard the president's comments there the biden camp responded they will not bow out of the future debates. what changes. you have had a chance to think about this, would the rnc and trump campaign commit to and support on structural changes by the commission? >> i don't think the commission could make or should make any changes without support of the trump campaign and the candidates. they agreed to certain parameters. they don't get to change those in the middle of the game as the campaign has said. let's be honest. the rules have been changed for joe biden this whole election. a candidate who is not doing interviews, not taking tough questions from the media, who is putting lids on most days. not going out and campaigning. and that debate is the first opportunity we had to actually make sure that joe biden answered tough questions and he still got away without answering tough questions.

thank goodness president trump went after him. otherwise joe biden will get through the whole election without answering will he stack the supreme court, are you going to raise taxes on 80% of american families? do you support the green new deal? i hope the committee on presidential debates does not change the rules to once again protect joe biden from answering to the american people. >> sandra: it's a nonpartisan commission. not anywhere do they suggest the changes would be to benefit joe biden. but i hear that's what you are suggesting. but ronna, in the hours following that debate even chris christie, the president's debate prep person said he thought the president came in too hot in that debate. kevin mccarthy was on fox news this morning, staunch supporter of the president. even he was saying perhaps the president should have let joe biden go on more freely. listen. >> of course they want to change the rules. anything that gives joe biden some type of advantage.

the one thing i would say don't put a mute button on joe biden. for the president, don't interrupt him. every time i watched him speaking he couldn't finish a sentence. you looked into his eyes. i spent a lot of time with joe biden when he was vice president. this is not the same man. >> sandra: it seems to me he was suggesting there it would have benefited president trump had he not interrupted as much. at any point when you were watching the debate did you wish that perhaps president trump didn't jump in there as much as he did? >> i actually wanted him to keep asking about stacking the supreme court. i think it is egregious that joe biden is getting off. >> sandra: the point of the interruptions. >> joe biden was interrupting the president just as much. it was back and forth. i wish chris wallace would have said i won't let you out of here without answering this question. you are talking about upending a third branch of government and changing judicial norms for that country and you aren't

answering and being truthful to the american people. i don't understand why he is getting away for not understanding this question. he said he won't do it and now he won't answer. >> sandra: did at any point you think it would be better for your party and better for the trump campaign to not have jumped inasmuch as he did. i will take it to the female voter. you've already heard in the wake of this and the president is struggling with the female voter, that many women didn't like that. they didn't like the aggressiveness they saw on the stage and you can make that case for both parties, of course. but surely the headlines that the president grabbed out of this is that he was the aggressor on that stage. i'm asking you did you -- >> i'm speaking as a female voter. i wanted to see the president force joe biden to answer these questions. i really wanted chris wallace to do it and glad to see the president do it. i do think we need to hold joe biden accountable and it's sad to see the moderators don't do it. he has been given a free pass.

unfortunately the president had to play that role. but again, why can't he answer if he is the head of the democrat party, why can't he call the governor of oregon and stand down and call the national guard. why can't he say whether or not he supports law and order. why can't he name any law group that supports him? the president was the aggressor because nobody else is asking joe biden these tough questions. >> sandra: the "washington post" article to back up what i was bringing up. trumps debate performance shows why he is doing so poorly with female voters. women, the demographic that trump has struggled are projected to make up the majority of voters this fall and not much in his performance during the first presidential debate that seems likely to appeal to them. of course that's a reference to president trump. here is the monmouth national poll that shows president trump wide gap with female voters, ronna. doesn't that concern you?

nobody is pulling 57% with women with trump's 38%. >> i think there was a lot of things that appeals with president voters with the president talking about joe, do you support law and order and he said i support law and some order. he won't call antifa a domestic terrorist group. a lot of women are concerned about the safety of our neighborhoods. when you see him say i'm the head of the democrat party and refusing to call the mayor of portland and governor of oregon are concerning to women voters and the economy. the president said i'm building this economy back. i can do it again. all of these appeal to women voters. those are things that we're seeing appeal to women voters. >> sandra: finally and i'll go back to where we started on the potential changes that the commission could present to your party and to the trump campaign, when you look at the interruptions, our brain room dug into how many interruptions on the part of both candidates.

as far as interrupting each other and the moderator. in total biden 67 times. president trump 145 times. so you can tally it up and see where there were more interruptions. i've seen a potential cutting of the mic floated as an idea. we don't know whether or not the commission is exploring that. when you think about any changes that could benefit the american public when watching these debates, ronna, do you come up with anything? is there anything that you would volunteer to the debate commission as far as a change that you could support? >> maybe don't move to the next segment until the candidate actually answers the question and maybe then we'll get a real answer from joe biden as who how he will governor. do you support a green new deal, do you port law and order? are you going to stack the supreme court? are you going to get rid of the filibuster? until you answer a question we won't move on to another one. >> sandra: would you support a mute button?

>> whatever the candidates agree to. i don't think you should change the rules they have agreed to and i don't think the commission has a right to ash traorely change rules without getting agreement from both sides. >> sandra: time restriction? >> they had that in this debate. they came out hot and they went after each other. these are grown men and be on the world stage. they can handle a debate. i don't think that we need to put parameters in to make sure it's softer and easier and nicer. they are competing to be president of the united states. let's make sure they have the ability to convey their beliefs to the american people. >> sandra: i appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you. >> trace: a florida college already canceling spring break. what keeps fueling the flames in california? >> i don't know business-wise

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>> sandra: bottom of the hour, time for top stories. president trump going back on the campaign trail today heading to bedminster, new jersey, for a round table discussion with supporters. >> sandra: weekly jobless claims released today showing 836,000 more americans claiming

unemployment benefits last week. the number slightly below analyst estimates. >> violence in milwaukee after seven people were shot at a funeral home. police are searching for a suspect. the people were taken to the hospital and are all in stable condition. >> sandra: florida state university canceling spring break over coronavirus concerns. that decision coming after police broke up a party of more than 1,000 people at off-campus housing over the weekend. jonathan serrie is live in atlanta for the story. why is fsu changing their schedule now? >> they're trying to create a buffer from the holidays to prevent travelers from bringing the virus back to campus. when the spring semester starts after the winter holidays they will do the first three days of instruction online before they resume in-person classes. then once the in-person classes start, they want to keep the

students on campus and that's why they are canceling spring break. in a letter to students, faculty and staff fs su,'s provost explains the university continues its effort to mitigate the spread of covid-19 and believe it will reduce the potential for members of the campus community to return to tallahassee with the virus after spring break. the university of denver has suspended 38 student athletes from the men's and women's diving and swim teams after they allegedly violated covid-19 protocols for the campus. they also face possible suspension for the school all together for violating those safety protocols. in a letter to the du community administrators write the student athletes attended a large off-campus party knowing such a gathering violated restrictions. one bright spot inside higher

education reports students are wearing masks and social distancing than other campuses. they believe it's because of awareness minorities are at higher risk for complications from covid-19. the precautions seem to be paying off. infection rates on these historically black college campuses are also much lower. back to you, sandra. >> sandra: jonathan serrie, thank you. trace. >> trace: the nfl postponing sunday's titans/steelers game after a coronavirus outbreak. nine numbers of the titans team tested positive for the virus. tennessee suspended all in-person activities through friday as they wait for the results of follow-up testing. the nfl is warning teams about personnel not wearing masks on the sidelines. penalties could include suspensions and losing draft picks if teams don't follow league-mandated safety protocols.

>> sandra: hot and dry conditions fueling more than two dozen wildfires in california. at least 2,000 firefighters are working to knock down the massive glass fire in california wine country with no containment so far. another person has died in a fire to the north. matt finn is live in deer park, california with us. matt. the sun arrives shortly and another long day of damage assessment and firefighting. >> sandra, sadly the red flag warning is back in effect today in napa county into tomorrow. the fires here had seemed to stop rapidly spreading, perhaps even fading but now high temperatures and dry conditions are back meaning a single remaining ember could spark more fires. this area of deer park was ravaged. you can drive around in all different directions and see remnants of homes including fireplaces like this one. it is under evacuation.

it is a ghost town. not a lot of electricity. very few people have returned to their property to see if it's still standing. we talked to one woman who is a teacher at a school here. she says the school was just returning to in-person classes and now that school lies in ruins. >> it is so sad to see that. it was a blessing for our kids and for the community. this was a blessing for the store and all the kids here. just to see this and what has turned into, it is sad to see this happened in such a short time. >> here in napa and sonoma county, last fire is 51,000 acres, 2% contained. 143 homes burned. to the north near redding, california, the zog fire is at

55,000 acres, 147 structures destroyed. the cause of the fire here in napa is under investigation. investigators have not given a lot of details but people will be paying attention to the cause and origin of this fire and sadly you can drive in any direction for miles and miles and there is a thick blanket of smoke and experts we talked to say it means any visible grapes could potentially be damaged. each vineyard owner faces millions of dollars in losses. >> sandra: another long day ahead. matt finn, thank you. >> trace: with washington deadlocked over a new stimulus plan a lot of people could lose their jobs. some u.s. airlines are preparing to announce big cuts today. joe biden distancing himself from bernie sanders at the first debate while still trying to hold onto support from the far left. is that strategy working? >> president trump: your party wants to go socialist.

>> right now i'm the democrat party. i am the democratic party right now. if i'm your president, on day one we'll implement the national strategy i've been laying out since march. we'll develop and deploy rapid tests with results available immediately. we'll make the medical supplies and protective equipment that our country needs. we'll make them here in america. we'll have a national mandate to wear a mask, not as a burden, but as a patriotic duty to protect one another.

in short, we'll do what we should have done from the very beginning. our current president has failed in his most basic duty to the nation. he's failed to protect america. and my fellow americans, that is unforgivable. as president, i'll make you a promise. i'll protect america. i will defend us from every attack seen and unseen, always without exception, every time. i'm joe biden and i approve this message.

>> no, i don't support the green new deal. >> president trump: that's a big statement. you just lost the radical left. >> i support the biden plan that i put forward. the biden plan, it is different than what he calls the radical green new deal. >> trace: "washington post" claiming joe biden's stiff armed the green new deal at tuesday's debate and reiterated his opposition to medicare for all in what may be an increasingly uneasy alliance between biden and the more liberal members of his party like alexandria ocasio-cortez and bernie sanders. you heard the former vice

president says he does not support the green new deal but a critics say his plan is the rehash of the green new deal and the reason he isn't using the label he doesn't want to be accused of being hijacked by the far left. what do you think? >> trace, i think it was certainly donald trump's strategy to try to tie joe biden to the progressive wing of the democratic party. donald trump has nraild a little bit. four years ago he had a strong message of hillary clinton. i didn't agree with it. but he had his message down on who hillary clinton was. donald trump has had difficulty doing the same thing with joe biden. his attack in the debate was to try to tie him to the progressive left or try to highlight fissures within the party. honestly, everyone i talked to in the past two days says to me the debate more than anything company lessed the democratic party. progressive left knows who joe

biden is and more of a moderate. they also know you win national elections by bringing in moderates and swing voters. they saw in donald trump a man who seemed out of control, who -- i think the left is more fired up to vote for joe biden after that debate than they were beforehand because of donald trump's behavior. >> trace: ocasio-cortez and marquee and the congressman who supported the green new deal have said they're happy with the biden plan. it shows you that it has a lot of things in there that is very, very like the green new deal. former vice president biden says that he said to the left, right and center exactly where he stands on each of these issues and yet he refuses, will not talk about the issue of the supreme court. whether he is in favor of packing the court. he will not put forth any potential supreme court nominees. why? what's the deal?

>> well, joe biden has been clear about the kind of justices he believes should be on the supreme court and he has been very clear he doesn't think that amy coney barrett, her writings and philosophy are where most of the american people are. but i actually think it is smart of him not to get bogged down in a hypothetical discussion whether democrats will add justices or whether we get rid of the filibuster. these things should be on the table. but the question at hand is one of a very specific nomination of a very specific justice and he said he is open to it certainly. and i actually would prefer to have a leader and many democrats would who says let's look at it and study it. who doesn't shoot from the hip and go whichever way the political winds are blowing at any moment. >> trace: joe biden -- this is the way joe biden feels. this is the way joe biden feels. do voters not have a right to

know with the left threatening to pack the court, threatening to add new states and bring in new senators, does the voting populous have a right to know what joe biden believes when it comes to packing the court and who he might put up for potential supreme court nominees? >> of course they do. he has said we should take a look at tactics or strategies, things that we could do to make our government more representative certainly. but he has been very clear he is not there yet. if he believed we should do it he would come out and say it. he has very clear about that, trace. i think that joe biden here most people know who he is. the democratic party gave him -- voted for him as the nominee overwhelmingly knowing that while he works with the progressive left, he can bring in swing voters and at the end of the day it's about winning this election and that's why democrats today are happy with joe biden as their nominee, trace.

>> trace: moderates are wondering when he will get there 33 days ahead of the election. marie harf, thank you so much. always good to see you. >> sandra: president trump signing a stopgap spending bill. indoor dining returns to new york city in limited capacity. some restaurant owners are saying it will not be enough. we'll be speaking to one owner who is now suing the state next. >> they said we could have outdoor dining all year round. they said we could use propane heaters to heat it. that's really great. but i'm going to ask you again is that enough? is that enough? get ready - our most popular battery is now even more powerful. the stronger, lasts-longer

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>> sandra: president trump says mcdonald french fries are the -- he is fan of the fast food chain and yesterday he reacted to a 2018 news article suggesting chemical found in mcdonald fries could keep you from going bald. japanese scientists said a chemical in the fries made lab mice regrow hair. president trump said that's why i have kept my hair. mcdonald french fries are delicious. if there is an added bonus, some men will take it. >> trace: i don't have any studies here, a buddy of mine swore off mcdonalds french fries and bald, 24 years old. i'm just saying. probably something to that.

lesson learned. they are great, though. meantime -- >> my outdoor dining experiences have been amazing. i'll do that for the foreseeable future and shift to indoor when the outdoor isn't as prevalent because of the weather. >> trace: indoor dining is back in new york ste. after six months of being shut down traunts are only allowed to operate at 25% capacity. many are in a lawsuit seeking $2 billion for damages for the restrictions on indoor dineings. our next guest is owner of a restaurant. people are tired of the patchwork of hypocrisy. in most of new york you can have 50% capacity in restaurants. you're at 25. you're at 25 and the guy down the street a block can seat twice as many people as you.

it has to be frustrating. >> hi, trace, good morning. it is frustrating. it is frustrating. the lawsuit came out the beginning of september and cuomo came out on september 9 and still had made us wait three weeks to get to this point. most restaurant owners are wondering why we waited three weeks. after he told us to wait to yesterday to open for indoor dining he is making us wait to november 1 to consider the 50%. not only are we not given the fairness as everyone else westchester, upstate, boston, sus ox, everybody started off at 50% in the summer. we're starting at 25% and given a long list of outlandish guidelines. guidelines that you are talking we have to have temperature checks at the door. we're not allowed bar service. one of the biggest ones is air infiltration systems. wants us to redo all of them within the establishment and one of our biggest issues he wants contact tracker.

most people, most of my customers that i have spoken to have said it's invasive. it is an intrusion of your privacy. people don't want to come in and have to put down their first and last name, home a dress and phone number to come dine at a restaurant. >> trace: i want to put this on the screen from "the new york times" from march through july 1,300 restaurants permanently closed. august 9th, 10 unable -- 9 in 10 in august unable to pay their full rent. it is not just restaurants. i talked to a people who owned a restaurant said i just flew back from new york and on a plane with 300 people. i was sitting four inches away shoulder to shoulder with somebody and i can't put people within 10 feet in my restaurant. what's going on here? >> we are completely being discriminated against. completely being singled out. it is unfair how you can fly,

you can take public transportation, governor just a couple of weeks ago was pushing people to take public transportation, ride the train and bus. go to the dentist and doctor and go shopping, target, home depot, all those things but you can't eat inside a restaurant. the 25% is just not enough between labor costs and food costs, liquor costs, it is not even possible. >> trace: best of luck to you and your restaurant. thank you for joining us. >> thank you so much. >> sandra: debate commission signaling it may make changes. chris stirewalt will weigh in on that and what the next debate could look like. help reduce your risk of fracture with prolia®. only prolia® is proven to help strengthen and protect bones

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>> everything that we -- everything we have is gone and everything we made here is gone. >> sandra: we begin with changes coming for the next presidential debate. the commission that sponsors the debate says it will add tools to maintain order after tuesday night's face-off. welcome to a brand-new hour of "america's newsroom." hard to believe the first debate is already in the books, trace. good morning, i'm sandra smith. >> trace: i'm trace gallagher. call it the debate over the debate. the commission says it will announce more changes. the trump campaign pushing back on that idea while former vice president biden says it is time. out on the trail the candidates pulling no punches. >> president trump: i know the liberal media is upset i took the fight to biden and exposed his dangerous agenda. >> i hope we will get a chance to actually answer the

questions that are asked by the persons in the room. but god only knows what he will do. >> sandra: before that happens, their running mates mike pence and kamala harris will meet on the debate stage next week in salt lake city. peter doocy is live in wilmington, delaware with the continuing fallout from tuesday night. what changes have the campaigns been presented with so far? good morning. >> good morning, sandra. no changes have been presented to the campaign so far by the commission, we are told. but something is coming and joe biden is already out there sharing his ideas about how to cut down on the crosstalk. >> i just hope there is a way in which the debate commission can control the ability of us to answer the question without interruptions. i'm not going to speculate on what happens in the second or third debate. my hope is that they are able

to literally say the question gets asked of trump, here is the microphone. he gets two minutes to answer the question. no one else has a microphone and then i don't know what the actual rules will be literally. that's what would seem to me to make some sense. >> in a statement the commission on presidential debates says they are seeking structure at the next debate, a town hall format with questions that come from people who say they are undecided. the associated press is reporting the debate commission is considering giving the next moderator the ability to cut the microphone of either debater if they go over time or interrupt. the trump campaign is bristling at changes like that based on what happened in cleveland. they don't think the problem was the way president trump went after biden. >> joe biden is too weak to defend himself it doesn't matter if it's the debate commission or a moderator, joe biden doesn't have his liberal allies on the stage to defend him.

>> we're told one possible change that could be presented to the campaigns is giving each candidate a closing statement so that things wrap up in an orderly matter and on time. we're also told it has not been presented to the campaigns yet. sandra. >> sandra: we heard how ronna mcdaniel and the rnc feel. can the commission make any of these changes without consent from the campaigns? >> no, they can't. anything the commission wants to do to add structure to the next couple of debates has to be agreed to by representatives from the biden campaign and the trump campaign. sandra. >> sandra: peter doocy, thank you. and a reminder we'll have special coverage of that vice presidential debate next wednesday in salt lake city. the entire fox news prime timeline-up starting at 6:00 p.m. up to and after the main event. starting at 9:00 p.m. eastern time.

>> trace: the democratic presidential nominee will soon face a lawsuit. according to the attorney for kyle rittenhouse the suspect in the kenosha, wisconsin shooting last month. the attorney tweeted on behalf of kyle rittenhouse i shall sue joe biden and biden-harris campaign for libel. i am partisan in 2020 supporting donald trump, i am nonpartisan trial lawyer who aggressively pursues truth to achieve justice. >> sandra: president trump last night signing a last-minute spending bill to avoid a government shutdown until after the -- the senate passed it bipartisan support. the bill funds the government through december 11th.

it includes billions of dollars in aid for farmers and nutrition assistance programs. >> trace: the white house democrats are still deadlocked on coronavirus relief after mnuchin and pelosi resumed negligent yayss yesterday. both sides that i they're committed to getting americans the help they need. >> we remain committed to reaching an agreement but do so in a way that results in getting things done for the american people. hopefully by the conclusion of this week. >> the speaker has come down from her 3.4 trillion dollar deal. if there is a fair compromise we're prepared to do it. >> trace: let's get to mike emanuel live for us in washington mike, is pressure building with lawmakers wanting to head home to campaign? >> good morning. it feels like it. here we are october 1 and both sides sound like they're feeling some pressure.

>> just the other day a number of democrats sent a letter to the speaker because she is holding this money up not just for small businesses but schools, states, airline. and you begin to wonder is she doing this because she wants the economy to fail before november? >> house speaker nancy pelosi has come down from her 3.4 trillion to 2.2 trillion. the republicans say they won't go with 2.2 trillion and mcconnell saying we're far apart. >> we're close. the idea the senate republicans are opposed to this -- i want to remind the viewers again that mitch mcconnell has put more debt on the balance sheet of this country than any american, $17 trillion. >> talks are expected to continue today between mnuchin and pelosi. trace. >> trace: talk about the major

sticking points they're facing. >> money to help the nation's struggling airlines both sides agree they deserve help. the exact amount needs to be worked out. how much help to give state and local governments. democrats want $500 billion. republicans less. funding for the nation's schools democrats are seeking $225 billion. republicans are at $150 billion. still plenty of work to do. >> trace: mike emanuel live in d.c. mike, thank you. >> sandra: fox news alert now. the u.s. airlines are set to make massive job cuts today. that's when the last aid expires. tens of thousands of workers could be losing their jobs. >> there are 100,000 workers who are facing being out of work as of thursday. and those are on various statuses but 100,000 people immediately facing being out of work and many of them losing their healthcare as well.

>> sandra: united airlines making one last plea before furloughing 30,000 workers. we implore our elected leaders to get a deal done now and save jobs. casey stieg el stiegel is live at the dallas ft. worth airport. is there a chance to save the jobs? >> anything is possible but hope is fading. air travel is gradually bouncing back from the pandemic but it is still down about 70% from a year ago. and that steady stream of federal funding that has helped keep the industry afloat through the cares act, those funds disappeared effective at midnight. if those loans don't get extended american airlines says today it plans to furlough or lay off some 19,000 workers across the system raging from gate agents to flight

attendance. 14% of its pre-pandemic workforce. about 12,000 cuts planned over at united airlines. >> i don't know how to feel right now. do i feel sad? do i feel scared? do i feel angry and frustrated? there are so many emotions that are pulsing through my vanes. >> discount carrier southwest airlines doesn't have plans but in 2021 it's not off the table. delta has made a decision to not do any layoffs until november 1. so trying to buy a little bit more time as this industry as a whole is clearly struggling with the coronavirus pandemic. >> sandra: casey stiegel live in dallas. thank you. >> trace: movie theaters are also asking d.c. lawmakers for

desperately needed financial help. analysts say few industry have suffered more from the coronavirus pandemic than movie theaters. big time filmmakers have signed a letter appealing to congress for help. they write in part our country cannot afford to lose the social, economic and cultural value that theaters provide. the movie going experience is central to american life. >> sandra: fox news alert on thursday morning. white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany has said they will be speaking to reporters live from the white house at 11:00 a.m. eastern time from the briefing room. she tweeted this out a short time ago adding that the briefing was not originally on the schedule for today but that she would be doing that live at 11:00 a.m. eastern time. we'll bring that to you when it begins at the top of the 11:00 hour. trace. >> trace: new information on a groundbreaking new law in california that may open the door to paying reparations to black americans. details on that next.

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>> trace: california governor newsom signed a new law how to pay reparations to black americans descendants of slaves. the governor spoke to the saet assembly which passed the reparations study bill. >> this is not just about california, it is about making an impact and a dent across the rest of the country and it drives a lot of work in the state and the passion of many of you that are with us. well done and great on the work you guys did last year. >> trace: california is the first state to mandate such a study. >> sandra: brand-new fallout from tuesday night's first presidential debate which

became a bit of a verbal slugfest with name calling and frequent interruptions, most but not all by president trump. the commission that runs the debate says changes may be coming saying this yesterday. last night's debate made clear additional structure should be added to the format of the remaining debates to insure a more orderly discussion of the issues. the cpd will be carefully considering the changes it will adopt. it will announce those measures shortly. we spoke to ronna mcdaniel from the rnc. she said she is not in support of making changes that they say -- they make the case would only benefit joe biden. she said she believes that the structure is in place and president trump did what he had to do to big victorious on that stage as she believes he was. >> trace: kevin mccarthy made a good point. the whole idea of letting somebody else sensor what the candidates are saying is --

republicans concept is we want to hear what they have to say. maybe they speak over each other and a way to control that. the idea of pushing a button and limiting what they can say or turning their microphones off is a big stumbling block and problem for a lot of republicans. >> sandra: that's what chuck schumer is suggesting. a mute button. >> maybe we should give the moderator a mute button given how president trump interrupts at will. donald trump doesn't follow the rules. the commission has to get a lot tougher. >> sandra: we'll see what they have in store. they didn't lay out any possibilities that they're considering for changes. of course, both sides would have to agree to that. meanwhile trace there is this from karl rove in the "wall street journal." the debate from hell. trump and biden both saw a clear win and did not get one. but trump needed it more. so the reaction continues to pour in this morning, trace. >> trace: they went on.

a lot of other op-eds saying the president should have held back and not interrupted joe biden. there were times that joe biden was as dana perino pointed out, appeared to be going off the edge a little bit and if the president had just let him make his point that it would have benefited the president and instead there were these interruptions and saved joe biden a few different times. so there is that point of view as well. let's face it. you heard the minority leader chuck schumer say when the president was interrupting, of course, these experts point out joe biden had his fair share of interruptions as well during that time. >> sandra: here is that reaction from ronna mcdaniel earlier. >> i will support whatever the candidates have agreed to. i don't think you should be changing the rules that they have agreed to and i do not think this commission has the right to just arbitrarily change rules without talking to both candidates and getting agreement and input from both

sides >> sandra: chris stirewalt joins us now. what do you think? do you think we'll see changes? two more presidential debates left. >> well, look. this is just my suspicion but i think you will see whatever the rule changes are, if he shows up, if he abides by whatever the rule changes are, i think donald trump shows up a very different person in miami on october 15th. not only is it a town hall debate but it didn't work for him the first time. look, we don't pay attention to partisan estimations of how their side performed. he didn't do what he set out to do which was to blow up joe biden, blow up the debate. he shows up at this town hall with a very different attitude given how things went for him this time whatever the rule changes are. the danger here is if the commission on presidential debates, which remember if it wasn't for this reej shall --

regime. if it's not for the cpb there wouldn't be debates. these two guys couldn't agree where to get a sandwich let alone a regiment of multiple presidential debates. they want to hold onto their position. it is good for everybody for us to get to see as citizens to get to see them in this unfiltered setting. they have to really hit it right. they have to do something that tries to give the moderator on the 15th more authority and give him a chance. honest to goodness if chris wallace the best interviewer in television can't get ahold of these people i doubt anybody else can. they have to really try to hit it right so trump doesn't walk away but they can send the message they want. >> sandra: if they want real bread they shouldn't agree on going to subway, right? karl rove in that piece this morning as i read the headline it was the debate from hell. karl says neither man put forth

a vision for america's future. often from the hyper aggressive president. the future is what most people hear about. the debate was a loss for the voters. still up for grabs. interesting piece by karl rove. >> and right on the money. nobody who came into this debate truly -- i always have my doubts whether it was truly undecided. anybody who came into this debate undecided now think they feel more confident about the choice. this was beneath the dignity of the office both men were seeng and beneath the dignity of the greatest republic in the history of the world. chris wallace was trying to elevate. come on, guys, get out of here, don't stay in this ditch. they didn't want to do it. i think it is a reflection of how much hatred there is here. the intensity of the enmity we

see and how personal it has become. it is not about the voters. on that stage it wasn't about the voters, the antipathy between these two men and it is unworthy. >> sandra: we've heard the mute button discussed. what else is out there? time restriction on the answers? >> total silence. total silence. >> sandra: we'll have you back chris stirewalt. thank you. >> trace: bet founder robert johnson suggests he will vote for president trump after tuesday night's debate. his fiery comments on the election and the candidates straight ahead. plus judge amy coney barrett meeting with more senators this morning. what we're hearing so far about president trump's supreme court nominee. that's next. >> the senate will take up and confirm judge barrett by the end of the month. we'll do so before election day and that's consistent with 200 years of precedent. your journey requires liberty mutual.

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>> trace: bottom of the hour. time for top stories after the first presidential debate tuesday night the commission on presidential debates says it will put in place tools to maintain order at the next one and will announce more changes for the format. >> in northern california a fourth person died to the zog wildfire that burned more than 55,000 acres, destroyed over 00 homes and buildings and is only 9% contained.

>> the nation's largest airlines making a last-minute appeal to lawmakers for financial help warning it will otherwise have to lay off tens of thousands of workers today. the federal program passed the cares act back in march expires today. >> spent 45 minutes at the capitol and impressed. impeccable -- very judicial temperament, will make an excellent judge. >> senator cruz praising amy coney barrett. she made the rounds on capitol hill this week and making more rounds today as the number of democratic senators refuse to meet with her. chad pergram has been keeping track of it all on capitol hill. chad, who is the judge meeting

with today? >> 10 more republican senators today that will bring the grand total to 29 over the past three days. she is going to meet with some democrats at some point but probably not until next week. today she is meeting with republican senators who have competitive reelection bids this fall. started the morning with steve danes of montana. >> she is fair minded. top it all off she is a minivan mom. the people in montana look up to you. you are the kind of justice that montana will greatly respect. >> she is meeting now with joni ernst who faces a competitive reelection bid this fall and a member of the judiciary committee. ben sass, marsha blackburn and josh hawley. they hope to start the

confirmation hearings the week of october 12. >> sandra: anything that democrats can do to halt this process? >> not really. there are some tactics and delaying tactics they can deploy in committee on the senate floor but not much. a letter from senate judiciary committee democrats writing to lindsey graham to renew our objections to moving so quickly to confirm the nominee. the letter said, quote, the timeline for consideration of judge barrett's nomination is incompatible with the senate's constitutional role. they're trying to put this nomination on the floor and have a vote by the end of the month. they hope to do it before election day but it is a tight turning radius. back to you. >> sandra: chad pergram, thank you. >> i absolutely do not know what vice president biden will do. where i come out as a businessman, i will take the devil i know over the devil i

don't know any time of the week. >> trace: robert johnson suggesting he won't vote for joe biden but stopping short of endorsing president trump. carley shimkus with fox news headlines 24/7 joins us with more on this. great to see you as always. i want to play one more sound bite if i can from robert johnson and get your take on the other side of this. listen. >> i want to know what regulatory decisions they are going to make, what fiscal policy decisions, what monetary policy decisions they're going to make. than to be taking a chance particularly the turbulence of a pandemic. >> trace: he is pointing out the bottom line is joe biden has said he will raise corporate taxes. he wants corporations the pay their fair share and executives across the country have said how in the world will you generate a booming economy if

you raise the taxes? >> you hit the nail on the head there, trace. robert johnson did support hillary clinton in 2016 but he has recently praised president trump's economic policies. he is a businessman and became the first african-american billionaire when he sold bet in 2001. he does not support joe biden's economic vision for america raising taxes on people making more than $400,000 a year. more importantly raising corporate taxes from 21 to 28%. even in the best of times companies aren't just going to take that loss, they'll fire people and imagine what it will be like during the middle of a pandemic. look what happened with disney firing 28,000 employees and putting a tax increase on top of that. this is mainly a business decision for bob johnson. >> trace: disney, the airlines that are struggling right now and they are all saying the same thing. you have executives and you read these threads and they are all saying listen, we can't

afford to be hit with these massive tax increases. he is saying robert johnson what my grandmother said, my irish grandmother. stay with the devil you know, right? >> i do like that phrase. especially when it comes to politicians, god bless them. he also did criticize joe biden after biden came out and said if you are not voting for me and you are african-american you're not black. and i think he does represent a certain portion of moderate voters. he identifies as a democrat but a centrist and concerned how far left the country could go with biden at the helm. biden said he is the democratic party and a moderate. who helped him write his platform? that would be bernie sanders. who helped him write climate change policies? ocasio-cortez. it is bernie sanders light which is a bridge too far for true moderate voters.

>> trace: interesting that robert johnson will vote for president trump but won't go as far as to endorse him. >> i do feel like that's how a lot of especially business leaders feel who may not like the president's rhetoric but do support his economic policies, trace. >> trace: carley shimkus, always good to see you. thank you. >> sandra: the mall of america in bloomington, minnesota is helping the community rebuild after months of hardship. coronavirus pandemic devastated the city's economy and violence after george floyd's death forced more businesses to shutter. the largest mall is helping retailers get back on their feet. grady trimble is live at the mall of america now. grady, what's the mall's plan? >> they're putting the finishing touches on the space now including 16 small local businesses who all have something in common. they've been impacted by either the pandemic or the violence that followed the death of

george floyd or in many cases both. jill is with the mall of america and you really have been working on this for a long time now and getting ready to open in 25 minutes. >> it has been months in the making after the devastation that took place in minneapolis and st. paul. we wanted to help out. we spoke with community leaders to help the businesses operate in a time when they needed it. bringing the groups together a great collection of retailers, fantastic representation for what we can do in this community. >> they got a lot of applications, the biggest mall in the country. one was joyce who runs a small business called urban 29. you have been put through the wringer this year. you lost everything in may. >> i lost everything due to the riots. >> your business burned down. lost all your inventory to looting. there is a second chance here. you have your own store front in the biggest mall in the country.

>> amazing. ifm -- i'm glad to have this opportunity. >> you always dreamed of income this mall, right? >> yes, a dream come true. >> like i said the doors open in 20 minutes, sandra. and these retailers have some time to be here. the mall will let them stay in this space until spring of next year. >> sandra: maybe a good test to see how they make it through the holidays. we'll continue to watch that story. thank you. >> trace: new york yankees beat the cleveland indians last night making a comeback in the 9th inning. the 4 hour 50 minute game was the longest in mlb history. they now take on the tampa bay rays. >> sandra: i'm watching it. i missed that one and i was taking it in. the new weekly jobs report is out this morning showing a slight improvement from

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>> trace: live look at the white house press briefing room. we're being told by kayleigh mcenany she will hold a press briefing beginning in about 17 1/2 minutes. this was unscheduled. lot to talk about including changes to upcoming presidential debates. when the press briefing begins we'll bring it to you live. sandra. >> sandra: thank you, trace, a new weekly jobs report is out this morning showing 836,000 americans filed for unemployment claims last week. that is a big number but it is less than what was predicted by analysts and it is an improvement from the previous

week. the dow is reacting opening higher this morning as we head into the final quarter of 2020. october 1 here we go. dow up 165 points. let's bring in the former obama council chairman and a professor at harvard. appreciate having you on the program and you bring a unique perspective. first to that new number on the economy. what does it tell us, 836,000 filed for unemployment claims last week. i can tell you that that is now the lowest that they have been since the pandemic struck the economy back in march. >> yeah, that's a lot better than we were in march. it is also very high relative to anything we ever saw before march. this is a number you would normally see in a pretty bad recession. so a lot of people are still losing jobs. a lot of people are still gaining jobs, too.

the economy is just very turbulent right now. >> sandra: a conversation that you and i had back in april and may. we were talking about you meeting with i believe a zoom meeting bipartisan business leaders. you suggested that we are going to come so sharply out of the economic depression from this pandemic that it is going to benefit donald trump near election day. based on the number we just put up on the screen better than expected certainly showing some promising signs of a recovery, do you still hold that theory, that the economy is recovering so sharply it will benefit president trump in the election? >> yeah. my view is that the economy would recover very sharply but the recovery wouldn't get all the way there. so on election day donald trump will be able to say look at the millions of jobs created and joe biden will be able to say look, the unemployment rate is 8% or whatever tomorrow. both sides have a good argument.

that is probably why no one is voting overly on the economy now and there are so many other issues. >> sandra: the trump campaign, white house can make the case, this is a pandemic and this is very unusual historic circumstances for our economy. it is important, isn't it, to take into account where the economy was before the pandemic hit. pre-pandemic under the trump administration 5 1/2 million jobs were added. we go back to the obama economy 1.2 million jobs added in obama's first term in office. by comparison isn't president trump doing better on the economy than the obama years? >> that's a pretty absurd comparison when there were 800,000 jobs lost in february of 2009. i'm not sure that was barack obama's fault. >> sandra: you comparing the pandemic so i thought it was fair. >> you know, i think it is a little silly to play these games. so much of what goes on in the

economy is about american businesses and american workers. >> sandra: fair point. no games, those are data points. to that point -- to that point joe biden is suggesting raising the corporate tax rate. how does that affect an economy especially at a time if he becomes president in november or is elected in november, how does that help us recover from this economic hit that we've taken? >> if you look some of the major investment banks, goldman sachs took a look at the biden economic plan and said it would raise economic growth over the next few years. it would do more to stimulate the economy. overall the tax plan would be tax collection to where they were under president clinton. the economy did perfectly fine then. i'm not worried about his tax plan and i like his overall economic plan. >> sandra: more specifically about the corporate tax rate in a second. but you look again pre-pandemic

trump economy you had the unemployment rate in february dipped to 3.5% in this country. it is hard to make the case that this president hasn't been good for the economy. you have businesses that feel that they were in a very business-friendly environment. does joe biden's plan make or result in a business-friendly environment? i go back to my question about the corporate tax rate. >> the corporate tax plan passed the administration promised we would get to 3% economic growth. we fell way short of that for the next two years after it, sandra. why are you lowering the bar, lowering the standards? i heard people on your channel over and over again talking about 3% growth, 3% growth. he never got it. he never got close to it. he had growth rates lower than we saw under the last four years of president obama. so i don't think there was any type of -- the economy is perfectly good before the pandemic.

grant you that. after that nothing miraculous or special. didn't improve. >> sandra: what kind of growth are you forecasting for a potential biden administration? i think we'll see a growth rate of around 2% and i think we would see a growth rate of around 2% if trump got a second term because we have a lot of demographic challenges as workers are getting older and that's use is a fact that i think we should accept the reality of. >> sandra: i didn't get to any of -- we got so into that conversation, great to have you here, have to have you back. >> trace: fox news alert. suspect is now under arrest in the shooting ambush of two los angeles county sheriffs deputies last month. what we know about the accused gunman is next. ♪

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>> trace: fox news alert. a suspect is in custody in the ambush shooting of two los angeles county sheriff's deputies. he is facing attempted murder charges. he entered a not guilty plea yesterday. surveillance video shows the ambush attack as the deputies sat in their patrol car. former d.c. detective ted williams and fox news contributor. good to see you. i want to point out the suspect's name is deonte murray. three days after the deputies were shot he was wanted for shooting another man, carjacking. that led to a stand-off and a chase where he tossed a gun out the window. police recovered that gun, linked it to the shooting of the deputies, it appears like they have their person. what do you think? >> yeah, trace. i think they do. when -- you and i have talked through the years of many of these kinds of shooting.

this is one that's very tragic. the suspect in this, murray, has a rap sheet longer than perhaps even your arm and charged with attempted murder. someone who seems to have no social redeeming qualities. what we know that is on september 1 of this year he was involved allegedly in a carjacking of a man shot in the leg. then on september 12th these two deputies just in their car minding their own business, the guy in that shooting comes up and shoots both of them numerous times, multiple times. it is believe that is deonte murray. he has been in custody since september 15th. the law enforcement officers chasing after him and threw his gun out the window. they have been able to take that gun and to examine that gun and they have been able to connect the gun that they found

that murray threw out the window with the shooting of the two deputies. >> you mentioned his record. he should be in prison but not because we're in california. i want to play this sound bite with the deputy said as a possible motive. watch. >> do we have a motive for why he did this? >> other than the fact he hates policemen and wants them dead, not specifically. >> trace: hates police officers, wants them dead. 30 seconds to wrap this up. >> hate police officers and wants them dead. it tells our viewers how dangerous police work is and there are people out there want to harm and kill police officers. very sad situation. >> trace: it is very sad and we should point out he is now being held. we're awaiting the actual charges coming down against

deonte murray. ted williams good insight as always. we appreciate it. >> my pleasure, trace. >> sandra: fox news alert from the white house where press secretary kayleigh mcenany is set to speak to reporters in moments. we'll bring it to you live when she begins. to lock away debris and absorb wet messes, all in one disposable pad. just vacuum, spray mop, and toss. the shark vacmop, a complete clean all in one disposable pad.

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>> sandra: almost the top of the hour. president trump and joe biden hitting the trail in the wake of their chaotic first debate tuesday night. all of this as the debate commission is considering changes to the format in hopes of getting the remaining two debates under control. we're expecting a white house briefing. it is set to begin any moment now as a live shot of the briefing room there. welcome to a new hour of "america's newsroom," i'm sandra smith. trace, good morning. >> trace: good morning. i'm trace gallagher. the trump campaign is already slamming the changes accusing the commission of moving the goalpost in the middle of the game. the biden campaign saying the former vice president will be ready to go no matter the format. let's get to our chief white house correspondent john roberts live from the white house. he is on the north lawn, not the briefing room. good morning. >> we have a couple of minutes before the briefing so i thought it would be safe to be out here. the commission on presidential debates clearly concerned about the way things went down on tuesday night so they say they'll make some structure not necessarily to the format of

the debates because those are set but to the structure of how the debate is conducted. in a statement yesterday they said last night's debate made clear additional structure should be added to the formatted remaining debates to assure a more orderly discussion of the issues. rnc chairwoman taking issue with the idea of the cpb coming up with changes on its own. >> sandra: i don't think the commission should make any changes without the support of the trump campaign. thank goodness president trump went after him. joe biden will get through the whole election without answering will he stack the supreme court, raise taxes on 80% of american families. i hope the committee on presidential debates doesn't change the rules to once again protect joe biden. >> the trump campaign taking issue accusing the commission of trying to protect joe biden. they are only doing this

because they guy got pummeled last night. president trump was the dominant force. they shouldn't be moving the goalposts and changing the rules in the middle of the game. the biden campaign responded saying joe biden is looking forward to the town hall in miami. it will be focused on answering questions from the voters there whatever set of rules the commission develops to try to can tain donald trump's behavior. one of the things kicked around in the last 24 hours is the idea the moderator having a mute button so that if the candidates refuse to stop interrupting each other or go over time they could cut off the microphone. a source told fox news about that idea. it was a specific request made in negotiating meeting yesterday morning by biden debate negotiator. the meeting at 9:00 a.m. hours later the commission issued their changing about changing

the structure. the mute button is a biden ask. no events on the campaign schedule for the president today. he does have a fundraiser in bedminster this afternoon. it is expected to raise $5 million for the trump campaign and rnc and state parties. the president will be back on the campaign trail tomorrow headed for florida and then wisconsin on saturday. and i better rush inside because the briefing is about to begin. trace. >> trace: we look in the bottom window. people are gathering. john roberts live on the north lawn. thank you. >> sandra: our next guest is the author of an opinion piece praising president trump's debate performance. the headline trump is a pit bull fighting for america. here to talk about it is miranda devine. as you know we're awaiting the beginning of the briefing and will go to the white house when it begins. miranda, what is the point you are making in this piece and the first debate and what it proved? >> well, look, i just think all

the hyperventilating about president trump behaving, norm busting, the carry-on has been ridiculous. bob woodward said he assassinated the president. people have been -- they need fainting couches and smelling salts to get over it. i find it ridiculous. where have they been the last four years? did they think he would play by the rules? the whole reason people elected him in 2016 is because he is a barbarian, a pit bull and they were fed up with presidents who did not have their interests in mind. who did not keep their promises. i have been traveling around pennsylvania and the number one thing people said to me about president trump is he keeps his promises. and they see the attacks on him as just further evidence and

further proof to them that they did the right thing because they see the attacks on president trump and the legitimacy of his presidency as attacks on them and their decision to vote for him wasn't worth anything. >> sandra: i would be curious who you are referring to as they. there seem to be some partisans concerned at least over what we saw tuesday night. this is the piece in the hill this morning. republicans fret over trump's self-inflicted blows at first debate saying it's deeply frustrating for republicans who believe democratic nominee joe biden would have looked rambling and prone to more mistakes if trump would only have allowed him to carry on. and the house minority leader kevin mccarthy made a similar point to that on fox news earlier the morning suggesting he wished that trump would have let biden go on and not interrupt so much. >> i wrote that in my column. that's a consensus but it is a completely different question.

what everyone is getting crazy about and what you see in the "new york times," "washington post", joe biden's campaign sent out an email yesterday saying in case you missed it, trump lost bigly and had a list of a dozen articles listed to the hyperventilating articles and they all complained about his -- basically his barbaric behavior and the criticism that he should have given joe biden enough rope to hang himself that's different. i agree. that was a mistake. i'm not saying the president didn't make several mistakes during this thing but in the end what you get, the overall impression is you have one pit bull on stage and one milquetoast. in a very turbulent world when you have people like china's president xi and iran mulan and so on, who do you want looking

after you protecting your interests? do you want a pit bull? we saw 66% of english speaking viewers of telemundo said they thought president trump did well. it is a very different view of president trump outside the beltway and never trumpers -- it's within your right to do that. it just means you will misunderstand the election results and the polling. >> sandra: i have some of those other republicans that you are referring to saying mitt romney, i thought it was an embarrassment, corrin looked like a brawl. perhaps they have a responsibility to make sure that the american people hear these candidates and hear them on the issues rather than sort of what we saw tuesday night. final thoughts, miranda on any potential changes that might be made, could improve the way

these debates look publicly? >> look, if it went so well for joe biden why are they talking his allies saying don't do anymore debates and why do they need he a kill switch to shut up the president? joe biden didn't answer any of the issues. he didn't answer about stacking the supreme court or making puerto rico a new state. he did not answer about condemning antifa. you know, he got off scot-free and he seems to be able to say i won't answer those questions. these are crucial questions. radical changes to the way america operates. we're so close to an election and no one is asking him those questions. >> sandra: miranda devine, appreciate your time this morning. >> thank you. >> trace: developing this morning a ransomware attack targeting a company in the u.s. raising alarms about security and fears hackers could create chaos on election night.

jennifer griffin is live at the pentagon. >> a texas company that sells software to cities and states to help display results on election night was hit by hackers this week. according to a statement released by tyler technologies am mri filing concerns the f.b.i. issued that russia and its cyber criminals with ties to vladimir putin are back in the election interference business. foreign actors and cyber criminals could exploit the time required to certify and announce election results by disseminating disinformation that includes things about voter suppression, cyberattacks, voter or ballot fraud and other problems intended to convince the public of the election's ill legitimacy. >> we're focused on an array of threats from cyber adversary from chinese intrusions to intrusions by russia, iran,

north korea. >> the f.b.i. is urging the american public to evaluate the sources of the information they consume and seek out reliable and verified information from trusted sources such as state and local election officials adding these cyber criminals cannot change the actual votes or the underlying data but they can create confusion. in 2014 russian hackers did just that in ukraine's election getting into the software used by television news anchors to announce election results to claim victory for a far right candidate. they caught the hack and mitigated the damage. a perception hack to create uncertainty. that's what the f.b.i. believes russia is doing as we speak. trace. >> trace: jennifer griffin live at the pentagon. jen, thank you. >> sandra: ex con is charged with attempted murder in the attack on two los angeles deputies. what investigators say led them

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>> trace: live look at the white house briefing room. we're expecting kayleigh mcenany to come to the podium any moment now. it should begin any moment. when it does we'll take you there live, sandra. >> sandra: thanks, trace. convicted felon is now facing charges in the ambush attack on two los angeles county sheriffs deputies last month. evidence from another crime evidence investigators link the suspect to the case. we're live in los angeles with the details. william, explain what the other crime was and how it led police to him. >> it was a carjacking and a car chase that led to the arrest of 36-year-old murray, black male, long criminal history. two weeks prior to the deputy's

shooting he allegedly stole a mercedes and shot the driver. police gave chase and threw a handgun out the window. >> it was determined through ballistic comparison the pistol recovered was the pistol used to shoot the transit services deputies. that pistol was conclusively linked through forensic testing to suspect deonte murray. the firearm in evidence is described as -- a ghost gun,.40 caliber pistol loaded with eight rounds. five rounds short of its full capacity. there were five rounds fired at the deputies. >> today my office charged murray with two felony counts of willful, deliberate and pre-meditated attempted murder of a peace officer. >> detectives have video of murray in the stolen mercedes before, at and fleeing the crime scene. the deputies age 31 and 24

still face reconstructive surgery but expected to return to work. detective wagner said this about motive. >> other than the fact that he hates policemen and wants them dead, not specifically. >> the sheriff said police collected a lot of tips from the public and the reward money should be paid out should murray be convicted. he faces life if so. back to you. >> sandra: william la jeunesse, thank you for that. a russian opposition leader who says he was poisoned by vladimir putin is speaking out. navalny was released from a german hospital after being kept in a coma for weeks. during an interview today he thanked the german doctors for saving his life and accusing the russian president of orchestrating the attack using a nerve agent to poison him. >> trace: most americans are concerned about the safety of a

coronavirus vaccine. 79% of respondsents say the safety worries them. they think the process is being fueled by politics, not science. there is concern about safety more than half said they would get a vaccine as soon as they could. >> sandra: and cruise passengers have to wait a little longer to get back on the high seas. cdc extending the no-sail order until the end of october. it banned ships from operating in u.s. waters. the cdc warned cruise travel would likely spread the coronavirus. >> trace: an opinion article in commentary magazine is weighing in on the chaotic first presidential debate. the writer argues joe biden performed horribly but

president trump's constant interruptions kept him from capitalizing on it. guy benson joins us. we're still waiting for the press briefing to begin and go to that. we want to get through these as quickly as possible. in that magazine they said, quoting here, classically embattled incumbent president does whatever he can do to transform the race from a reflection on his time in office into a referendum on his opponent. but that would compel donald trump to back out of the spotlight for even a few seconds and allow his opponent to make a mistake. this president cannot do that. and it has been kind of a recurring criticism, guy, that the president really didn't give -- he didn't give joe biden the rope he needed to hang himself. >> right. no oxygen at all. constant interruptions. some of them appeared inhinged to a lot of viewers. it was part and parcel of the biden strategy. i can imagine being in the

biden war room or the rapid reaction room and saying wow, he is playing directly into our hands. they've been doing this so-called basement campaign staying in the basement because they want their candidate out of sight, out of mind, a generic alternative to president trump. they want this whole election to be a referendum on whether this guy deserves four more years and nothing really beyond that. which is why biden is ducking questions, doesn't want to really make any news. so when you get to a debate setting and the incumbent on whom there is this referendum right now is inserting himself into every second of the debate seemingly, with these types of belligerent interruptions and sucking up the oxygen and joe biden off to the side doing his thing. that is the basement campaign somehow playing out on the debate stage. >> trace: other critics were saying the whole point is that joe biden really was never pressed because he didn't have time or because there was so

much chaos going on pressed on things like why won't you say whether or not you are in favor of packing the courts? why won't you put forth your potential nominees for the supreme court? you say you are against the green new deal but yet your biden plan is very close to the green new deal. things like that that were never answered. your thoughts. >> and one of the few moments where i think you saw what could have been a glimmer there was when president trump was pressing biden to name a law enforcement organization that was supporting him and biden sort of said i have some and trump said name one. we have time. there was a little bit of a pause there and you could see biden really didn't know what to do. and then the void got filled as it so often did and everyone moved on. just waiting for joe biden after a challenge and letting a moderator ask questions and let biden talk himself into trouble is part of what the president needed to do but he didn't. he kept talking almost

constantly. >> trace: got to go, guy, thank you for your time. >> all right. >> sandra: now live to the white house press briefing room. kayleigh mcenany. >> were wounded in the horrific las vegas music festival shooting three years ago today. on behalf of the president and his administration our hearts continue to break for the victims and their families. they are in our prayers today. fulfilling his article 2 section 2 obligation and following well-established precedent president trump nominated an imminently qualified candidate for the supreme court, judge amy coney barrett. judge barrett is extremely well qualified. she graduated summa cum laude from notre dame law school and achieving the best record in scholarship and is a rhodes scholar. notre dame law professor said there is just consensus. amy barrett is the best student, smartest and most

talented person to ever come through the university of notre dame law school. in addition to being a gifted student, judge barrett clerked for d.c. circuit judge and the lion of the court justice antonin scalia. she was confirmed to serve on the 7th circuit court of appeals. colleagues described judge barrett as a model of the fair, impartial and sympathetic judge. judge barrett is not only a qualified jurist but a woman of great character. judge barrett is a devoted working mom of seven children including two adopted from haiti and one child born with special needs. judge barrett is full of compassion and empathy and understands the needs of our nations most vulnerable. judge barrett would become the first mother of school age children to serve on the supreme court of the united states. if confirmed, she would be the

only republican appointed woman on the court and fifth woman in the court's history. her qualifications are many. her character is unquestionable. her devotion to the constitution and interpreting the law as written is steadfast. judge amy coney barrett is the right choice to serve on the supreme court. with that i'll take questions. >> if i could start off, i would like to ask you for a definitive and declarative statement without ambiguity or deflection. as the person who speaks for the president, does the president denounce white supremacists. this was answered by the president himself. he said sure three times. yesterday he was point blank asked do you denounce white supremacy and he said i've always denounced any form of that. i can read for you on august

2019 one voice our nation must condemn racism, bigotry, white supremacy. august 17 racism is evil and violence in its name are criminal. i have an entire list of these quotes i can go through with you. he has condemned more than any president in modern history. >> just to clear it up this morning can you name it may a declarative statement that -- >> i just did. the president has denounced it repeatedly. the president was asked this. you are contriving a story line and narrative. he said -- i just did. i read you all the quotes. they are in writing and i will put them in an email. >> can you right now denounce white supremacy and the groups it espoused. >> i just did. white supremacy and kkk and hate groups in all forms. he signed a resolution to that

effect. the president just last week expressed his desire to see the kkk prosecuted as domestic terrorists. this president has advocated for the death penalty for white supremacist. his record is unmistakable and shameful the media refuses to cover it. >> the f.b.i. and the department of homeland security say that racially motivated violent extremism is one of the most deadly threats in the u.s. does the white house agree with us and what is it doing to combat the threat? >> the president has done quite a bit to combat the threat. last week in addition to saying he wants to prosecute the kkk as domestic terrorists said that lynching should be a national hate crime. there is no stronger signal that you can send than advocating for the execution of a white supremacist. the first time of a federal execution in 17 years. he continually condemned it and

it is really -- >> he said he didn't want to acknowledge it or address it. his record is mixed. >> his record is not mixed in the slightest. when you go back in history you can see that. this president was the first palm beach club open to african-americans and jews his record -- >> an the issue. -- two people talking at the same time. >> we aren't having a debate. right now -- >> he condemned it. i have the record right here. >> let me finish. funny the media goes haywire about interrupting in the debates and they do it themselves. you ask a question and give me time to answer. >> the president said in the

debate -- judge amy coney barrett -- [inaudible]. was he down playing her views on tuesday night and what do you say to the american public whether roe is on the ballot? >> the president has been clear he would never ask a judge to pre-judge a case. judge amy coney barrett has on multiple occasions said it is never appropriate for a judge to impose that judge's personal convictions whether they derive from faith or anywhere else on the law. she said that she continues to stand and believes the core proposition if there is ever a conflict between a judge's personal conviction and that judge's duty under the rule of law it is never, ever permissible for that judge to follow their personal convictions in the decision of a case. rather than what the law requires. >> can we expect her to

overturn roe? he would only -- >> the president would never ask a judge to pre-judge a case and as we fully expect that the ginsburg rule be followed throughout the course of these proceedings. the ginsburg rule, no questions on how ginsburg will decide any specific cases that may come before her and ruth bader ginsburg applied that rule throughout the course of her hearing on the first amendment religion clause. >> we know this president -- [inaudible] >> with regards to the commission rule changes the president made clear his view on that yesterday that he thinks the only way there is a fair debate is change in the moderator and change in democrat nominee. he wants to debate an plans on being at the debate but wants the rules to be fair and a fair exchange and doesn't want rules that cover for a certain candidate's inability to perform well. >> can you explain why it's appropriate for the president to be holding rallies in two

areas of this white house declared to be -- >> the president believes that people have a first amendment right to political speech. he is having a rally. people can choose whether or not to come. >> the governor asked the white house not to continue having events. your own coronavirus task force says it's an area people need to be careful in. social distancing. why is it okay for the president to hold a rally there? >> we employ measures to protect rally goers and encourage them -- >> thousands of people standing close to each other. >> the rally yesterday there was social distancing in place. the same line of questioning to the democrats but what i would say this there seems to be two standards of help in this country. one for trump supporters or one for everything else. 1300 health experts pen a letter that said we don't condemn these gathering peeking

of the protests. we don't are them as risky and support them as vital to the national public health. vital if you are protesting but somehow political speech is no longer vital when it comes to a trump supporter. >> the proud boys are people who consider them to be members of this group give voice to these anti-semitic, anti-immigrant views, despicable group by anyone's standards. the president was asked about them and you say he denounced them. that's what you insist he did on the debate stage the other night. why are they celebrating what the president said on the debate stage in front of millions of people? >> i don't speak for that group. i don't know why you're saying me >> to put on a t-shirt and -- >> the president did denounce them. he was asked will you tell them to stand down he said sure and stand back and then just yesterday when he was asked he

said specifically stand down. a sin on nim withstand back and asked sure when asked by the moderator. the media seems to be the only one putting the names of these groups into headlines and media reporting. he didn't know who the proud boys were. the first time i heard of them was in the debate. the media continues to put the names into circulation and give them a lot of public attention. >> 12 hours after the debate asked to clarify yesterday and he didn't come out and clarify yesterday. instead he did what you did when john asked you to denounce the group you went to passing what he said. [inaudible] >> you know what people have lost trust in the media? there was a reporter from your network yesterday in a tweet said -- >> i'm asking you a question.

>> partisan attack questions you will allow me to give an answer. the president and someone from your network the president talked about white supremacy. a president specifically verbatim was asked yesterday white supremacy do you denounce them to which he responded i have always denounced any form of that. those are the facts and cnn i know that truth is of no moments for networks but knows are the facts. >> republicans are calling on the president to be more forceful, his own party. >> i have a question about unemployment. i first wanted to ask about something. you said justice barrett was a rhodes scholar. i don't know if that's true. >> that's what i have written here. >> within the last week -- [inaudible] people lost their

jobs. negotiations on capitol hill and a division in what -- [inaudible]. moving forward with this deal up on the hill speaking with a colleague yesterday. at this point -- [inaudible] >> first i would say nancy pelosi is not becoming serious. if she is serious we can have a discussion here. we raised the offer. when you lower your offer 2.2 billion and you ask for

deportation forgive necessarys in your offer it is not serious. what we're talking about here is relief for the american people, for american citizens, not direct payments to illegal immigrants. we raised our offer to 1.6 trillion. among that was $250 for state and local. $250 billion for state and local is the estimated loss because of covid and also there is 150 billion for schools. $50 billion above what nancy pelosi asked for. she have is not interested. go ahead. >> immigration [inaudible] meadows in the past said you were looking at unilateral actions on airlines and we're seeing that play out in that sector right now. [inaudible question] >> that's a great question and very sad to see what's

happening in the airline industry. i met a few airline workers on a flight who would lose their job. their job loss 19,000 people facing layoffs is because of nancy pelosi. the white house right now you talk about ooun late ral action. we're willing to look at a plan, legislation that is clean legislation to protect the airline workers. nancy pelosi rather than playing election partisan politics should come to the negotiating table. let's consolidate around things we agree on. something we can agree on is 19,000 workers not losing their job in the airlines. it is incumbent for nancy pelosi to make that a reality. >> as you know the president has criticized the mail-in voting process quite a bit over the last two weeks. the other day he said they found a lot of ballots -- who is they? >> what the president was referring to are something that we've seen just in the last

seven days where in wisconsin there were trails of mail ending up in a ditch. i believe that included absentee ballots. >> in this particular statement though, who is they that found the ballots and where is this river anywhere in the country. >> local authorities. a ditch if wisconsin where they were found. that's what the president was referring to. you are missing the forest for the trees. >> i cover the news and i like to report accurately in the news. when the president said they found a lot of ballots in the river. where is the river? >> you want to ignore the fact of the matter. again -- >> i got asked so many questions. where is this river? i want to have accurate information and why i'm asking you. >> this is what is happening here.

you are ignoring the problem here. last week in pennsylvania you had ballots found in a ditch. that's a fact. in wisconsin seven military ballots marked for trump were found cast aside. there are problems with mass mail-in voting. i don't understand the lack of journal advertise i urn -- journalistic curiosity on that. the result was an inexpected stress test of mail balloting systems when it was tried designed to handle only a small portion of the vote and not ready to scale up in response to the pandemic. the media once said mail-in voting is not ready for the presidential election. no journalistic curiosity. [inaudible] talking. >> where is the river?

that's curiosity. >> misspoke on white supremacy. did he misspeak? >> when the president said he denounced it and said sure he did not misspeak. >> has he talked to senator scott? >> yes. >> [inaudible question] >> right now we have 1.6 trillion number and i will let you know if that number goes up. >> how does the white house interpret to meet with secretary of state pompeo? >> i have not spoken to the president about that. ly have to get back to you about that. >> the statement from the president vladimir putin and the conflict in -- [inaudible].

how worried is this white house that this conflict escalate beyond a regional dispute? >> what was the top of your question there? what we just signed? >> yes, a statement i understand put out by macron and donald trump that calls for peace negotiations. >> the president trump along with president putin and president macron representing the countries of the osc condemned the strongest the recent escalation along the line of contact and the conflict zone and called for an immediate cessation of hostilities between the relevant military forces and the leaders of armenia and azerbaijan to resume negotiations in good faith under the auspices of the minsk

group co-chairs. >> is that something the white house is actively trying to combat? >> that's all i have to say on that matter at this time. yes. >> [inaudible question] >> we're not concerned. the people who come out are people who don't have personal interactions with the president and they are peddling things that are falsehoods to advance their careers. >> [inaudible question] >> the president believes he has a lot of accomplishments

for the latino community in particular historic low unemployment, a tlifg economy, historic high homeownership for latino men and women in the country. things president trump made possible and will bring back in the economic recovery that we're seeing, the v-shaped recovery. also i'm glad you asked that point specifically because there was new data that came out that said as we are recovering in the super v-shaped recovery we've regained for hispanic community nearly 6 in 10 jobs lost among hispanic americans were regained. it took obama and biden a year to recover that many jobs. it is a v-shaped recovery for hispanic men and women in this country. >> [inaudible question]. >> the president believes the latino wants a lawful immigration system and law and

order message and that voters want to be secure in their homes and streets. >> the president unveiled his platinum planned geared for the black community creating 3 million jobs, $500 billion in asset capital. no one seems to be talking about that. can you tell us how it will be administered and how the white house will keep track of the success ?oo >> it's a very important plan for the black community. also in the pandemic as we regained job 4 in 10 jobs lost among black americans have been gained. it took obama-biden two years to do that. we're outpacing job growth for the black community and latino community. the president has promised this community that he is looking to create 3 million jobs in the next term. he wants to create 500,000 new black owned businesses increase capital in black communities. he has done that with

opportunity zones. a million people will be lifted out of poverty and given opportunity because of this. among another number of items that are in the plan where he wants to prosecute the kkk as domestic terrorists and make lynching a federal crime. again all of that lost upon the media as they misreport, take out of context, ignore the verbatim words of this president when he denounced white supremacy yesterday and denounced it at the debate and denounced it more than any other president in modern history. something else lost upon the media is the absolute turning of a blind eye to antifa. carrying the water for democrats the media apparently agrees with jerry nadler that antifa violence is a myth and democrats refused to condemn antifa. no journalistic curiosity here despite that a victim of antifa, dem yats and the media

have mastered the art of making its violence appear in-- andy was beaten by a group of a antifa protestors. another man in in 2019 adam kelly suffered from a condition cushion and got 25 staples in his head but silence from democrats ignoring this group from democrats. in fact, as we just saw recently, there was a trump supporter who was killed by a 100% antifa man. that's how he described himself. again, no reporting here but i guess i did the job of the media by getting this information myself. this man 100% antifa, this man had been arrested before at 2:00 a.m. on july 5 in a public protest carrying an illegal weapon. resisted arrest, taken to jail where he was merely given a citation, put back on the streets and the very next month this 100% antifa man was lying

in wait before he killed an innocent trump supporter. ideas do not target police officer or burn down buildings and organizations do. democrats can't condemn the shameful group that president trump continues to condemn white supremacy. >> here is an example of him not condemning white supremacy. >> kayleigh mcenany exits the white house press briefing room. this was not originally on the schedule. went on for about a half hour and she took a lot of questions on the president and whether or not he is declare actively denouncing white supremacy. started out by talking about the president's supreme court nominee amy coney barrett and legal record but she was first questioned by john roberts who will join us in a moment. there was an exchange about denouncing white supremacy.

she responded that the president has done this several times, three times yesterday saying sure that he condemns it. she read through a series of quotes from the president and said that the president has condemned white supremacy more than any other president in modern history. she said that twice. she continued to press her for declarative statement. we'll get his response from that encounter in a moment. a bit of a drop in the mic when criticized the media for not letting her fully answer their questions with interruptions and said that what's they're blaming the president for on the debate stage. she said the president will participate in the next debates despite the cdc rule change but said he wants to debate. plans on being at the debate and wants the rules to be fair and doesn't want rules to cover for a certain candidate's inability to perform. so a lot of news coming out of

that press briefing. >> trace: she first all the questions about far right groups. why aren't they asking about far left groups like antifa and the violence caused by them? let's bring if john roberts live in the briefing rooms. the big take away? >> trace and sandra, it is true the questions need to be asked about antifa as well and president trump illuminated that during the debate and talked about it yesterday as well. i asked a simple question of kayleigh mcenany today and that is can you say here definitively without ambiguity and deflection. many times we'll see any politician or press secretary deflect to something else as opposed to answering the question directly if the president denounces white supremacy and groups that espouse it. she read a number of quotes from the past. but what i was asking for was given the confusion over what has happened in the past couple of days if she would

definitively say the president denounces white supremacy, white supremacists groups and she wouldn't do that. for that reason the white house wants to rely on previous record. in all fairness most people would say there is some ambiguity there. the record is mixed. why not just come right out today and say here is the definitive answer to that question. and in the height of this election, when it will probably do the president a lot of good, to have somebody say the president denounces white supremacy and groups that espouse it. they wouldn't do that in the briefing room and i was a little puzzled by that. >> trace: she pushed back saying the president did exactly that yesterday post debate saying he did denounce white supremacy. was their ambiguity in that statement as well? >> politics is such a nuanced

game. i can tell you this. it was my wife at abc who asked that question yesterday and she said to him do you denounce white supremacy and he got a little bit worked up at her about it. and said i denounce it. i have always denounced that. but i don't understand why he wouldn't say i denounce white supremacy. i've always denounced white supremacy. for some reason they aren't saying the word and that's what is very puzzling. >> trace: john roberts live at the white house. john, thank you. we'll be right back. it's time for sleep number's fall sale on the sleep number 360 smart bed.

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>> trace: the nfl postponing this week's game between the tennessee titans and pittsburgh steeler after the titans reported two more cases of coronavirus today for a total of 12 players and staff. let's bring in hall of fame

quarterback and super bowl champion brett favre. great to see you. the coach of the titans came out and said we've been playing by the rules in the middle of a pandemic. nobody is to blame. things just happened. is that a fair assessment do you think? >> yeah, i think considering what's going on this is unprecedented obviously for all. certainly the nfl, this is uncharted territory. what's the right protocol, logistically how do you make it work? i'm surprised it hasn't been worse. >> trace: do you think the nfl is handling this properly with the fans? you think it is a setback and lead to more games being postponed? >> hard to say. really hard to say. i would love to see fans at all venues, at least a limited

amount. will this get worse? again, it's hard to say. i think the nfl has done a great job of managing this pandemic thus far. so it's unfortunate but yeah, i think things will get better, i really do. >> trace: brett favre, we apologize about the brief interview. we had breaking news with us. thank you for your time. >> likewise. >> trace: we'll be right back. month ba $3,000 a year, what would you do with the money? save for your retirement, update your home, maybe buy a new car? record low rates have dropped even lower. . one call to newday is all it takes to save $3,000 every year.

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>> trace: sitting here is like driving in a hay-speed chase, sandra. >> sandra: just another news day. great to be with you. thanks for joining us, everyone. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> melissa: fox news alert. a fiery white house press briefing wrapping up moments ago. white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany fiercely defending the president's comments on far right extremist groups in tuesday's presidential debate. go live to the chief white house correspondent john roberts who was questioning the press secretary moments ago. i watched the whole exchange, john. but just in case our audience didn't catch it, what was the take-away? >> john: well, the take-away remains that the press secretary would not in a definitive and unambiguous and non-deflecting way say that the president