don't miss us tomorrow night at 7:00, we will see you in salt lake city utah. good night, everybody, have a great night and we will see you tomorrow. ♪ >> tucker: it's good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the president of the united states walked out of walter reed military hospital night. it was a remarkable turn in a saga that has gripped the country since early friday morning. we want to begin this hour with an update on the president's condition and his whereabouts. for that we go to fox's with rick leventhal. >> it was around this time friday night that the president arrived at walter reed army medical center to begin of an aggressive weekend course of treatment for covid-19. tonight he's back in the white house to continue his recovery. you can see them walking confidently out the door of the hospital around 6:39 p.m.,

wearing a suit and a mask and giving a raised fest and thumbs up to the press gathered outside. the president climbed into the back of an suv for the short drive to marine one on the helipad and took the quick ten minute flight to the south lawn of the white house where he then climbed the stairs to the terrace outside of his living quarters, removed his mask and saluted air force one. his doctors are very optimistic. >> it's been more than 72 hours since his last fever. oxygen levels including ambulatory saturations and his work at breathing were all normal. he may not entirely be out of the woods yet, the team and i agree that all of our evaluations, and most importantly his clinical status support the president safe return home where he will be surrounded by world-class medical care 24/7. >> earlier today the president tweeted "feeling really good. don't be afraid of cobit to come up don't let it dominate your

life. we have developed under the trump administration some really great drugs and knowledge and i feel better than i did 20 years ago. doctors say the president will get a fifth dose of rem disappeared tonight at the white house and will continue on a treatment of steroids there. if his condition remains the same or improves they will take a "final deep sigh of relief. there's a window when coronavirus patients are thought to be contagious, but his communications record says that's the president's intention to debate. >> tucker: amazing, rick leventhal. thank you. you don't need to be a truck parts and to feel good about the president's recovery, you just need to be a decent person. the moment you find yourself rooting for another man's illness or death is the moment you need to stop immediately in your tracks, pause and take steps like stock of your soul. you are badly in need of help, you are rotting from within. but the media are not stopping, they are not even pausing. donald trump is alive and they

were hoping that wouldn't happ happen. worse, trump walked out of the hospital under his own steam after just four days. 70 years old and the virus didn't even slow him down. in fact, it looks fine. these are dangerous facts and if you are allowed to think about them too much you might draw the wrong conclusions. you might conclude that coronavirus isn't quite as scary as they are telling you it is. you might regret giving up your constitutional rights in a panic last spring or letting them destroy the american economy and response. you might find yourself enraged that they are keeping our kids from getting an education and how for six months. and above all you might stop believing the news media. why are we watching this? it's not news, it's propaganda. they are lying to us. all weekend they told us donald trump was going to die. he had a pre-existing condition called obesity. trump wasn't merely overweight,

he was "clinically obese. grotesquely overweight. sideshow fat. donald trump would never make it home alive. >> but there are of course these concerns, he has comorbidity. >> he has all of the risk factors that are suggestive of severe morbidity and mortality. >> president trump is a man in his 70s who is obese and he also had a trip to walter reed to come but we don't know what that was about. >> clinical obesity and high cholesterol put him in a high-risk category for more severe response and reaction to the disease. >> the president is 74 years old which makes him five times more likely to be hospitalized, he's 90 more times more likely to die in a young person. >> that's a potentially deadly virus for which there is no cu cure. >> tucker: clinical obesity.

clinical obesity. that's the single worst insult that your average news anchor can imagine and that's exactly how they meant it. as an insult. as a medical matter, being overweight is a significant risk factor for dying from the coronavirus. there are a lot of overweight people. the except in the specific case of donald trump. if you really care to come if you really wanted to save the population from dying of cobit, he would encourage people to slow him down. he would do everything you could for example to keep the gems open. but our leadership class has done the opposite of that, they have literally arrested jim owners were trying to help americans lose weight and so that's how sincere they are about saving our lives. donald trump's life they told us was beyond saving and they've made that very clear. according to one anchor at cnn, the president was "90 times more

likely to die than a young person." 90 times. that sounds scary but only if you are not familiar with the numbers. according to the cdc, 99.90% of coronavirus patients under the age of 49 survives. even old people get over the virus, almost all of them. according to the cdc, the survival rate for people under 70 years old is 94.6%, that's all people over 70 included people who are 103. together i%. ordinary shingles may be more deadly. it turns out "90 times more likely to die" isn't actually a death sentence but things got so overheated on cnn on friday that even the channels in house doctor up felt obliged to add some perspective to the fearmongering. >> obviously given the president's age and to his pre-existing illnesses he's going to be at increased risk from this disease. but i'm going to be prefaced by saying still come up the odds

are very much in his favor. i don't want to unsettle people too much with this, greater than 90% or 95% chance that he will get through this still. >> tucker: the odds are very much in his favor. the median age of death for coronavirus in this country is 78 years old and 78 is also the life expectancy for all people in this country. in other words it's dangerous to be an old person who has the coronavirus and it's also dangerous to be a normal person, period. at some point we are all going to die. dying is the central fact of life. unfortunately a secular society has no answer for that, no explanation and no comfort to give us in the face of it. so no wonder we are so terrifi terrified. what if we were less afraid of? what if the news media weren't frothy in a partisan frenzy before the election? what kind of conversation would we be having then?

we might have some very tough questions for our public health authorities. donald trump lives in one of the safest most controlled environments on planet earth. if you are looking to free from disease you would try to move to the white house. everyone around the president is tested regularly, there are doctors everywhere. donald trump got the virus anyway. so lots of people follow the rules and to get virus anyway. it may have happened to you and you probably know someone it happened to. the rules don't work very well and that's the real lesson here. our work rules work very well so we are destroying our society and still getting sick. there has to be a better way to do this. and in fact there is a better way. sweden is our rational country, unlike us. the swedish governments never force the entire population to wear masks.

so what happened to sweden in the end? sweden has a population of more than 10 million people and yet the country averages more than 200 new coronavirus cases per day and that's been true for the past several weeks all through the month of september. that's far better than say, spain, that has around 10,000 new cases. they are reporting around 12,000 new cases a day. last month a little over 100%, as sweden's per capita rate of new cases is lower than neighboring denmark or the netherlands. here's what sweden looks like now. >> it looks like the world we lost, cafes and restaurants, people relaxed, no pay face masks and no panics. sweden kept most of its schools and businesses open and asked people to socially distance. half of swedes live alone anyway.

it banned large gatherings. >> buses and trains, and what a poignant system that is. the swedes unlike our health authorities follow the science and it worked. they will tell you this at least once an hour, we've had more than 7 million positive results on coronavirus has some this country. we had 209,000 deaths. there's so little transparency, what exactly counts as an official coronavirus death? we wish we could tell you. that's a total of almost

unintentional injury poisoning in other adverse events as comorbidities. so if people are poisoning themselves, why are we counting these deaths as coronavirus deaths? that's unclear. we should know, but we don't. we do know that some physicians have felt pressured to classify deaths as cobit related even though the currently weren't. they said that exact thing in a youtube video. their clinical physicians and they treat the coronavirus, they told us their experiences doing that. but youtube scrubbed with the tape. suddenly we are not into details in this country, the big picture is good enough for us because the big picture supports the strategy our leader support.

it's absolutely necessary, even though it greatly pains him. >> i don't say it with anything but paying for folks in the community, small business owners and folks who really want to get their lives were back to normal, but this is to make sure that this virus does not spread more deeply in those communities and threaten lives and it does not spread to the rest of the city. and we want to contain the situation before it gets worse. >> tucker: at the good news is we are all suffering together and doing it for good reason. most americans could detect that and accept it but most americans want to do the right thing by their neighbors and their country. it's hard to feel good about this but if you can't trust the people making the decisions and

we can. they don't really care about slowing the spread of the coronavirus back in june when 1201200 public-health expert sid a letter saying that "white supremacy is a legal public health issue that predates and contributes to covid-19, it's insane. they never explained it, they just kept lecturing. protests and rioting were "vital" to the national public health and threatened health of black people. experts noted that they don't approve of all gatherings, no. not all gatherings. "particularly protests against stay-at-home orders." so some protests were medically acceptable, others were a threat to public health. but they said it out loud.

and it greatly asked seems, exceeds the harms of the virus. inside we knew. we knew they didn't mean it, they don't care about public health at all. they care about partisan outcomes. mark levine who runs new york city's health council added this. let's be clear about something. if there's a spike in coronavirus cases, don't blame the protesters, blame racism. oh, racism did it. no one is saying racism infected donald trump. this is the most irrational thing that's ever happened in this country, ever. and it remarkably the adults in the room signed onto it. the cdc director tom frieden

said, the threat to cove a control from protesting outside is tiny compared to the threat to cobit control created when governments active way that boost community trust. it's amusing and a better way. losing community trust? that happened the day that they claimed protesters were safe and hours worked. we knew for a fact that they were lying for partisan reasons and these people should never be in charge of anything ever again. but they stayed in charge. now they are telling us we can't have confirmation hearings for amy call me barrett on october 12 because it's too dangerous. coronavirus, clinical obesity, 209,00209,000 data, whatever. as a matter of science, donald trump is not allowed to appoint anyone to the supreme court. >> there's no reason that they shouldn't be delayed.

>> i don't know why he would ramp through the supreme court hearing and put people in danger because it would be within that two week period, while you have's shut down the whole senate. i just think it's wrong. >> sadly three of my colleagues have been diagnosed as having the virus. now if this were a baseball team or a football team and three of the players came down with covid-19, we would have canceled the game and postponed it to a future date. >> tucker: yeah, just for a game, we would have postponed it. sports leagues probably would have canceled a game of some of their players got infected, and it happened a bunch all to protect athletes in perfect physical condition. as a scientific matter, that is absurd. it was always absurd. when donald trump walked out of walter reed today people may have started to realize how absurd it is. and that is why the media is so

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>> tucker: the nation of sweden approached coronavirus so differently than we did, they did not up and pose lockdowns on the entire country and they did not force everyone to wear a mak outdoors and they didn't close all the schools. they lectured a little lesson are public authorities, and some experts, the ones that are enraged with partisan fervor are saying that sweden may have proved that strict lockdowns don't work and may have in fact been counterproductive. he's taking a huge amount of grief. updated examination of lockdowns and the strategy which is worth reading by the way if you haven't. thanks so much for joining us.

so we were forgetting the final look about how sweden wound up and you for many months had said may be the is the model for us, and you were attacked for it. how would you assess sweden today? >> sweden is essentially back to normal. and you can see that the other european countries are following sweden, and that's having large spikes and positive tests which are not going for national lockdowns. but there is not -- but he said don't be afraid of cobit and don't let it dominate your life.

>> that might be the most controversial thing he's ever said because he's literally saying don't be afraid of cobit, he saying don't be afraid of one another. it's a respiratory virus that spreads between people and the only way to make it go away permanently is to lock us all all away permanently. that's not compatible with life. something i will never forget is walking around times square in six months ago, about six months ago, and walking around new york city and it was deserted. it was if a neutron bomb had gone off. six months ago, and even then that response didn't make sense but we are six months on and we know if you believe in w.h.o. and 750 million people have been infected with this, that means

199 out of a thousand people will live after getting the coronavirus. if you believe the cdc numbers it might be 997 or 996. it's a tiny death rate. we have sacrificed our kids and sacrificed our society and donald trump walked out of the hospital today and said what needed to be said. we have to stop being so afraid of this. this country, we put people on the moon. over the first manned flight in 1903, what happened to us that this rather dismal virus has scared everyone to death. i do not understand it, and we have to get out of this. >> tucker: because there is no answer for death in a society like ours. but i also think people should remember you can't live cut off from other people and some of us don't want to. you can't live a life cut off

from an other people, it doesn't work. >> people can vote for donald trump or joe biden for all kinds of reasons but joe biden has barely gotten out of his house and donald trump has lived. he took a chance and he got caught but it's not that dangerous and it looks like it's going to be fine. even though he's a 74-year-old man who is mildly overweight. so that's a lesson we need to take care, we need to live. >> tucker: it's funny how people attack you for saying things like that, that's a most affirming thing that i've heard in a long time. >> tucker: the mayor of new york, the mayor of new york bill de blasio is shutting down schools and nonessential businesses, whatever that is.

what do these zip codes do wrong? well more than 3% of coronavirus test came back positive for a week. no word on how many people died, and that's maven part of it. they just had positive tests. just the other day practically bill de blasio said he wasn't against mass gatherings as long as he agreed with the politics people were expressing. watch. >> things here in the city could mean not just thousands, tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people. just not time for that. >> what about protests, people want to march down fifth avenue, are they allowed to do so? >> this is an area when you go to church, you try to have a jewish wedding in brooklyn, but if you are eluding macy as it's

a historic moment. as soon as you say something like that out loud the rest of us don't have to listen to anything your you say because you are a fraud and a liar, you are totally irrational and you know longer have the legitimacy to leave, period. today the governor of new york andrew cuomo decided to approve the closure of many nonessential businesses. that's not because he's opposed to lockdowns but he thinks the real problem is religious services. watch. >> if the religious leaders do not agree to abide by these rules, then we will close the religious institutions. >> tucker: really because in the country we lived in in january we had a first amendment that such government will not get in the way of your exercise or relation. people will close the institutions. well what do you think you are, god? many of the services being shut

down by the way our orthodox jewish communities. what's the science behind it, the purported science behind it? dr. marc siegel is of course our doctor, fox news medical contributor. >> tucker, as the science of fear, and i just returned from the beautiful lush pacific northwest to land here in great-looking post-apocalyptic feeling new york city only to hear that mayor de blasio is planning on further lockdowns. further destruction of businesses, nine zip codes. and i come by the way, you can say jewish wedding without anything happening to me i don't think. so nine zip codes where you can't go to a restaurant. governor cuomo of all people, at

least he's admitting it is not likely that you will get covid-19 in a small restaurant. meanwhile, you know what the people of these zip codes are going to do? you are going to go one block away and eat in a restaurant in another zip code, how does that prevent the spread of covid-19? this is fear, this is punitive mespunitiveness. not lockdowns occur because they don't think they can control you. if you wear a mask and social distance maybe they would leave you alone for a while but you get locked down as a form of punishment. i want to issue a warning tonight. there's a spanish series outcome science fiction called the barrier. that something out of the 1940s and a control inside the barrier where people are suffering and being killed because of a virus, because of a

virus that people can't control and their government thereby controls you. the warning. we cannot have a society like that, we need our freedoms. we want you get what you put up with in life. great to see you. so some democrats, it looks like the senate is going ahead anyway. october 12 says a day on the counter, will it actually happ happen?

>> tucker: democrats in the senate have demanded that mimi connie barrett have not been nominated into the supreme court because of covid-19 but republicans say they are going ahead anyway. it's now scheduled for october 12, the hearing.

harris tweeted today for examp example, "moving forward with a scotus confirmation hearings in exactly one week threatens the health and safety of members, our staff and the hardworking people who keep the senate complex clean, safe and operational. this is completely reckless." unlike the riots we have seen for months which are a great moment in history, go ahead and loot than macy's. what are the odds that amy call me barrett will be nominated and we will have hearings to support her nomination. even talking about this makes me feel unsafe from a medical standpoint. do you think this will happen? >> i think it will. there's a seat on the court. there's an empty seat and on

election pending. we know from bush v gore that there can certainly be challenges to the presidential election and its outcome and i feel like if children can sit behind of their laptops in their homes and we can all go out and buy vodka and rum at the liquor store, we go to the grocery store and they sell is the groceries, i feel like the senators could sit at home in front of their computers, too. >> tucker: do you think that amy connie barrett put on a black lives matter armband and use the phrase nonsystemic racism not ironically that that would lower the risk of covid-19? >> well you know, tucker, i like to say that cobit is not a missile. i have been walking around here and people treat me like i have got the plague. i don't think it missiles over from one person to the other one you have social distance happening. that shows that they are certainly willing to put, the

only than on a essential businesses. i feel like she could show up and so could judge barrett. >> tucker: no one ever worries about the goober eats delivery men in midtown. we don't care about them, i guess? >> if they are the one stocking the shelves and behind the camera here today and at your show, that's all okay. what's not okay as senator is sitting socially distanced with masks in a fairly sterile environment in the senate. we are paying their salary.

>> tucker: i could see widespread public support for not paying them. but that's just a guest. thanks for taking the risk of getting covid-19 by talking about amy connie barrett. so, where did the virus come from? well it came from china. reedley, china is the country benefiting most from covid-19. in fact, they are celebrating it. we will tell you how come up next. i'm voting for proposition 19

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to reduce air pollution and fight climate change. and measure rr helps essential workers like me get to work and keep our communities healthy. relieve traffic. reduce pollution. rescue caltrain. [all] yes on measure rr. >> tucker: welcome back. it was just three days ago that the president had been admitted to walter reed, the military hospital. then there is this. the president tweeted this video message short time ago, he got to the white house about two hours back. here it is. >> president trump: i just left walter reed medical center and it's really something very special. the doctors, the nurses, the first responders, and i learned so much about coronavirus. one thing that is for certain, don't let it dominate you. don't be afraid of it.

we have the best medical equipment, the best medicines all developed recently and you are going to beat it. i didn't feel so good and i could have left two days ago. two days ago i felt great, better than i have been a long time. i said just recently, other than 20 years ago. don't let it dominate, don't let it take over your lives. we are the greatest country in the world and we will go back to work and be upfront. as your leader i had to do that. i stood out front and i lead. nobody that is a leader would not do what i did. i know there is a -- don't let it dominate your lives. get out there, be careful. we have the best medicines in the world and it all happened very shortly and they are all getting approved. the vaccines are coming

momentarily. thank you very much. walter reed to come what a group of people, thank you very much. >> tucker: we started talking about the coronavirus on the show back in january. it's now the first week in october and if anything the virus is taking up more of our national disk space. the president of the united states has it right now. a bunch of world leaders have gotten it. this virus came from china so we thought it would be interesting to know what the chinese are making of all of this. he's the author of the great u.s. china tech war, and happy to have a montagnais. speak out the first reaction was the communist global times, and it was also china has a superior system.

those messages were deleted quickly after there was condemnation around the world and then xi jinping, the chinese rulers says i'm sending my best wishes to president trump. but clearly you can see the hostility of the chinese regime because it was just chortling after it heard that president trump had the coronavirus. >> tucker: there is some scientific evidence why do you think that is? >> i think it's because the scientific community recoils from the evil that would be evident if indeed china cooked this up in a lab. and you had the hong kong virologists on and also recently you have a microbiologist from the broad institute of nyt and harvard, who has talked about how this virus is not mutating

which is extremely strange. it's not mutating now because it adapted to humans in a lab. in other words it's a lab esca escape. this is not confirmed yet but nevertheless as time goes on we are getting more and more people understanding that this is not an actual virus. indeed i think the scientific community will have to come around and face that fact. >> tucker: so the leaders of the scientific community, including "national geographic," why would they keep their jobs if it turns out they were so deliberately incurious that they missed one of the great stories of the century? i think we may have lost audio there. gordon chang, i'm sorry about that. of course we will have you back, great to see you tonight and i appreciate it. we spent so much time thinking about our own country that we have missed a lot of what is happening around the world and we will really do our best in

coming weeks to bring some of that to light. he was what will wake up after election day and realize that america's place in the world has changed. remote learning is hurting our kids obviously, if you have kids you've seen it firsthand. but there is one benefit. some of the more demented things that teachers are imposing on our children have been caught on video. just last week at teacher kicks the kid out a virtual class for praising the united states president, for real. in this country, all of the brave and land of the free. we will show you the tape, next. oh well, look! that's what we're both taking right now, fanapt. you know it's really been helping me manage my schizophrenia. i used to hear these terrible voices. loser! you're such a failure. you're so embarrassing. i used to feel like everyone was staring at me.

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>> tucker: the teacher asked the students the questions. brendan stanton wanted to know whom they admired. a10-year-old responded

"donald trump." brendan staten immediately kicked the kid out of the virtual class. speak of something shared in the chat which i erased for us was not appropriate, especially as that individual has created so much division and hatred between people and specifically spoken hatred to many different individuals. so i apologize for taking it out of the conference. that individual has spoken hate to many individuals under don't think is an appropriate example for a role model. >> tucker: somebody expresses the view that you disagree with and you call it hate and then attack the kid, a 10-year-old boy. the boy's mother asked stanton

and he tried to deny it happen. he said "i try to keep politics out of the classroom." liar. how much propaganda like this is going on that we don't see? jason is a seattle radio show host and we are happy to have him. jason, it's hard to believe. it's america. it's supposed to be a free country. what happened exactly? >> what happened in tacoma is happening all across the country. it isn't happening in a bubble. right now i think a lot of people are learning about it because of the remote learning situation. in this case the parent happened to be there and decided to film it thankfully. when she called the professor or the middle school teacher out over the phone, as he said, he deny it. and she said i have it on video and the conversation started to change. so many teachers out there right now who instead of teaching how to think, they are teaching kids what to think. parents need to get engaged so they can push back at the propaganda. >> tucker: that's exactly right. these are children.

these are people who can't even vote. they are kids. you are not supposed to do this to kids. speaking of fascism, why do parents put up with it? >> for the longest time they put up with it because they don't really know. they didn't know it was going on. but when your kid is right now on their laptop on the computer in the living room and they are doing this and all of a sudden you hear in the back of the room, what did that teacher just say? not just anti-trump nonsense going on but it's antipolice. i've seen a lot of it all across the country. parents are starting to wake up and realize what's happening in these classrooms. it's a reminder that when they go back to class, make sure you're talking with your kids daily which you should be doing anyway. ask them about their day and asked them what they're being taught. my experience has been when teachers hear from these parents or when they contact the principal, for the most part, there is movement. in this case school just has not responded to any of our inquiries.

>> tucker: i said that so judgmentally, why do parents put up with that? i think about it. i've got children. i put up with a lot over the years that was a huge mistake. teachers need to know -- most teachers are good people i think but they need to know that there's oversight and that there are boundaries. you're not allowed to torment and propagandize children i think. don't you? >> set the boundaries quickly. when you are clear with the expectations coming from these periods, i think the teachers -- i agree with you the vast majority of teachers are good people. it's not their intent to propagandize. sometimes it's not, they don't realize what they are doing. you have to make sure they know you're watching everything they're doing. of course you can have conversations about issues with kids who are of age. when a 10-year-old is something they support trump, maybe we should encourage more of that. >> tucker: i think it's right. they need to know adults are watching because many of them are not adults. they are of age. but they are psychologically and

emotionally children. jason rantz, great to see you. thank you. that's it for us. we'll be back tomorrow night, the show that's unapologetically the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink. have the best evening with the ones you love. sean hannity takes over from new york. >> sean: thank you. great show and welcome to "hannity." we begin with this fox news alert. breaking tonight, the trump campaign is telling fox news that president trump does in fact plan plan to participate ie october 15 debate with joe biden. at this hour, the president is back at the white house as he makes a speedy recovery and his battle against covid-19. moments ago he just posted this video to twitter. let's take a look. >> i just left walter reed medical center, and it's really something very special. the doctors, nurses, the first responders. i learned so much about coronavirus. one thing that is for certain.