nixing these talks. maybe there's some wisdom getting pass the critics that is saying now is not the time to do that. just wondering what the upside would be of that. the bottom line is, the talks are not happening. the president says he will have to wait until after the election. we shall see. here's "the five." >> bill: hello. i'm jesse waters with greg gutfeld, dana perino, juan williams and martha maccallum. this is "the five." joe biden just wrapping up his speech calling for the country to come together. as president trump recovers from the coronavirus. he made a dramatic return to the white house last night after spending three days at walter reed medical center. the president said earlier that he's feeling great and white house doctors announcing that trump is no longer reporting

symptoms. trump's comeback has re-ignited the feud with joe biden on how to handle the virus. the president says we need to confront it head on. >> don't let it dominate you. don't be afraid of it. you'll beat it. we have the best medical equipment, we have the best medicines, all developed recently. i know there's a risk, a danger. it's okay. now i'm better. don't let it dominate your lives. get out there, be careful. >> joe biden claiming trump is to blame for getting infected. >> look, anybody that contracts the virus by essentially saying masks don't matter, social distancing doesn't matter, i think is a responsible for what happens to them. every major scientist and doctor and immunologist said that's a dangerous thing to do. >> first of all, president trump

didn't say masks don't matter and social distancing doesn't matter. greg gutfeld, what do you think about the duelling claims trump says don't let it dominate you and joe biden says you know, if you got it and it's your fault. >> it's kind of like we're always back to chapter one of the coronavirus story. we began with this prism of two ideas. you had to express fear and terror or you're going to kill everybody. we've been through all of it. we've talked about it. we are distinctly american and we accept risks and we have done this -- i don't know -- since we came here. the explorers took risks. so we know what can happen. we see people are aware of what they need to do with masks and social distancing. this is this is an old argument. the only way biden can go after trump is to lie. to say well, he said masks don't matter. fauci is the first person that said you don't have to wear

masks. remember that? he was fearful of people hoarding it. i think the big problem here is that we keep going back to this prism of two ideas. we refuse to acknowledge that you can be in the middle, take precautions and express confidence about getting your life back together. if you don't do it, you're going to be like hiden biden. remember, this is the guy that didn't want to take out bin laden. he doesn't like to take any risks. what does he want? does he want us to shut down forever? he certainly isn't giving us any advice on the economy? he doesn't want to take any risks. >> to that point, juan, joe biden was against reopening the economy. he was initially against reopening schools. he was initially against opening up sports. so to now say that he has all of the ideas to fix this thing, that doesn't make sense, does it? >> i think -- you know, we have 200,000 dead -- >> what does that have to do with the question? he's not putting forth a plan

that would shut things down again. >> excuse me, jesse. you said that he favored keeping things in lockdown longer than president trump. i'm telling you that right now we're not on a good path. right now the economy is stalled because we're still stuck with the coronavirus and the president of the united states himself got sick. >> i wouldn't call this economy stalled, juan. >> you go look at the unemployment rate. you go look -- >> it went down. it's going down. >> it's been down big time. >> they are very high. in other words, you know, we're all blessed sitting here. there's a lot of people that are out of work. for you guys to ignore it, i don't know. >> we're not ignoring it. we're calling you out on your lies. >> we're saying shut downs -- >> you want to distort. let me say this. when it comes to this argument against man, i think -- i think to myself it's bad policy to go around ripping off your mask if you're back at the white house

and say oh -- the american people overwhelmingly also think it's bad politics. they think masks are a good safety precaution. i think as for trump to talk about how tough he is, what an insult to every family and has lost a loved one. >> i don't see that as an insult. martha, what do you think about juan's point that i think -- is it 70% of the country supports mask wearing and people see the president coming back to the white house, he takes the mask off. doesn't matter to me. he's alone on a balcony. you know, the media hammers him for the mask. you think that is bad politics? >> you know, i think the president is 100% authentic. he is who he is. he's not trying to come off of this experience and reframe who

he is. a lot of us thought he would be in a different mindset, having be shaken a little bit by getting it himself. we see what his response is. he comes back and he says look, you should be optimistic. you can overcome this. he's recognizing that we have great treatments that have been put in place now that people can access and take advantage of. i would just point out that, you know, the polls show that the president does not score very well on this issue of covid and the handling of covid. i looked at pennsylvania polls. plus 20 for joe biden on the handing of covid. it's not looking at me thinking and anybody else's thinking. it's the data out there in these states. you know, if these wrong, they taken before the president got back. i'll be very looking forward to seeing how people sort of absorb his very optimistic outlook and encouraging words that people can overcome this and go on and whether or not it helps him. he needs a game changer.

he's having a tough time in a lot of these polls across the country. >> dana perino, take us home. >> the president didn't give a speech today like we heard he might. he did make some significant news as he always does. he puts his thumb on the news of the day. that is that he has decided that he's going to end negotiations on a covid relief bill. the covid story also includes obviously the economic story as we alluded to earlier. nancy pelosi for the past several months has been trying not to do a bill. one of the things she included in there were things like harvesting around the country and taxpayer funded stimulus payments for illegals and more. however, the president really could have helped himself by pushing to get this bill done. now if they go to the election for businesses, no money for schools, nothing for the

republican senators to run on and nancy pelosi kind of got what she wanted. she wanted permission to walk away and blame the president. now she has that. perhaps this is a negotiating tactic and he's going to say okay, fine. they can come to a number that they agree on as long as she takes out the poison pills. >> 72% of americans agree with nancy pelosi on that $2 trillion package and trump is saying don't pay attention to dealing with coronavirus's economic fall-out. pay attention to our supreme court judge. americans totally disagree. bad politics. >> they don't know what is in that three trillion package. probably as tthe first time tha goes to illegals. the media goes ballistic after president trump returns to the white house. more on greg's monologue next.

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in the world? >> the greatest country in the world. we're going back, we're going back to work, we're going to be out front. i had to do it as your leader. >> greg: and here comes the nuts. >> it's like something out of north korea. the dear leader comes out. >> i thought it was a strong man balcony scene. >> i wake up some days feeling that we're in the grips of a mad man. >> he got out of the hospital with a million drugs in his season. >> don't put it on the screen. take it off. that will kill people. >> there he is, hair blown majestically, reshooting the scene for his own ad. what a bunch of [bleep]. >> greg: reshooting a scene? that from a guy who staged a dramatic reentry from his basement quarantine after he violated the same quarantine?

cuomo's blind spots outweigh his buy -- biceps. and other experts like stephen king and alissa milano lined up for their diagnosis. they say trump returned too soon. whether it's trump coming back or an economy doing the same, too soon beats too late. because you can still change the course. when trump ends upine. oh, he should have done it sooner. true, trump wasn't out of the woods when he returned. just as the economy won't be out of the woods when it returns. all decisions in life happen when you're not entirely out of the woods. we're all forest dwellers. so waiting for the perfect mow to take that new job puts security over freedom.

flattening the cover flattening our existence. we know the number was forecasted if everything was done correctly. not doing anything? up to two million dead, a path had impeachment lasted longer, which is what they wanted. the dems. so imagine if dems cared as much about america as they do about hating trump. there would have been no impeachment, no collusion, no witch hunt, no media bomb shell hysteria every damn day and we covid. so now they care. it's not about you. it's about them and their sad pathetic trump obsession. so dana, when he's talking about going back to work, i believe and i believe it's because he's saying that if i'm asking you to participate in a risk, the leader has to participate in the risk as well. the media didn't see it that way. >> dana: well, i mean, i think

people can see through the media. i really do. they can see -- they can watch the president last night and come to their own conclusion. i think the media is a little less influential. i should have known you would use the video of cuomo coming up from his basement as if that wasn't a propaganda video. that was manufactured. i thought you might include the ones with his brother. right, where they talked about mom's cooking and everything like that and ignoring the calls from people who had loved ones in nursing homes asking for him to be held accountable for that. i think -- and when it comes to return to work, i said for a long time we all have, that there's a way to do it safely if you take all of the measures that you should, which is the masking, social distancing, frequent hand washing. not going to large gatherings without a mask. all of those things are possible. also, it's about protecting the vulnerable populations, which we

have more information about this virus than we did six months ago. i actually don't know many people that are living in total fear. i talk to people around the country. they are getting on with it. people retired trying to figure out where they can go safely hike before the day before the winter sets in. i think this idea that people are fearful is wrong which is why the president's message was more with them than the media. >> greg: it's an important fact. people understand what trump is talking about but the media refuses to. if trump would take the opposite tact and say stay down, the media would say we need to get out. every stance is almost dependent on him. >> martha: can you imagine if he -- if his reflection was that he was cowhering in fear and he stayed in the hospital longer than the doctors should because he wanted to be extra careful? they would have a feel day. i'll say it again, this is the

person that people elected in 2016. everybody know whose donald trump is. he is in an effort -- when he pulls the mask off, he has an element of the country cheering him on, that wants to also take their mask off, that wants to get this behind us. he's trying to put down an optimistic marker. he's trying to appeal to a lot of people in his base, some of whom are drifting. he's drifting with seniors, drifting in swing counties in pennsylvania. he needs to safe to those people, look, come with me on this journey. we're going to get out of this thing. you have to trust me here. this is who i am. so he's putting his chips on the table being exactly who he is. he will -- we'll see if it works in 291 days. >> greg: i'm happy to see that davey gurgin is allow. jesse? >> jesse: the president's coronavirus message is a very american message. it's resolute, optimistic. fdr himself said, you have nothing to fear but fear itself.

he said that during the depression. when people were leaving their homes, going to the bank and pulling all of their money out and that was making the economy worse. the same thing is happening today. because in irrational panic fear, people are shutting down schools and churches and businesses and it's harming the country. i know healthy men, 30 years old have left their house in the city and now live in cabins in the woods because they watch cnn. they're terrified of the coronavirus. they're misinformed. if you get it over 99% of the people will recover safely. right now the media is pumping up the fear factor just to boost joe biden. they're saying donald trump is the devicive one. he's the fear mongerer. yet they're telling you hide in your basement until a vaccine comes along. a vaccine which might kill you because donald trump is a homicidal maniac.

where is that positive american spirit on the left? the spirit that says we flattened the curve, we got the therapeutics, the economy contracted the least of all the developed nations and shooting back faster than all of the developed nations and we have a vaccine around the corner? where is that hope, that positive american spirit on the left? it doesn't exist. it's only because they're running against trump. >> greg: juan, care to respond to jesse? >> juan: yeah, you should know that the american press, the whole idea from the founding fathers is that we hold powerful people accountable. in that regard, when you see the joint chiefs of staff is going home quarantining because of exposure, you have an idea that -- of the extent of the damage being done when president trump is out there talking about, well, this mask, let me rip it off, social distancing. i'm not in to tracing. >> greg: he never said that. >> juan: that is damaging. he's not doing it.

again, you like to distort. >> greg: he's paraphrasing your inaccurate question. >> juan: you guys -- >> greg: try to do it accurately, juan. try to be accurate. >> juan: i am accurate. >> greg: you're not. >> juan: you stop distorting. what is accurate -- >> greg: you don't read transcripts -- >> juan: -- the president is the one that doesn't want to wear the mack. the president is the one resisting social tracing so we can track down his disease. it's his staff that is sick. this is the reality and you have to deal with it. the press is holding a powerful man accountable. it's not somehow denigrating him or derogatory state saying this is what the president is doing. >> greg: felt the same way about the black lives matter protests when everybody was out there. we held them to the fire, right? ahead, mike pence and kamala harris set for their big debate

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he has years of experience in policy and politics. he's been serving in this role for four years. very different from kamala harris. she's been in the senate, she's very accomplished. she's a prosecutor. in the debate she had last year, she debated people with the same idealogical frame work. they were left of center to the very far left. how do you think she will do when she has to be confronted with an opposing point of view? >> jesse: the bar is high. 2/3s of voters think that if biden is elected, she will become president of the united states. pence is a good wingman. like you said, a smooth debater, he has policy chops. he's been in the room when every decision was made. i expect her to be tenacious and throw a lot of nasty hay makers and focus on coronavirus. pence won't interrupt. he will have to throw counter

punches. you can't just play defense for 90 minutes. if a covid attack comes, he's going to have to turn that back into an economic conversation about biden-harris being for the shut down. they're very weak on that. he also has to turn every conversation into that populous conservative sweet spot. the no new wars, manufacturing jobs, no sanctuary cities, tough on china. lower drug prices. if he can do that and turn it around on policy on kamala. remember, she hasn't answered any questions on policy for the last two months. she will be shaky, well prepared by shaky moments for her. >> dana: greg, i thought back to the kavanaugh hearings and that's where senator kamala harris i think she was planning to run for president even before that but that's what really got her into the news and into the headlines. the difference with pence from kavanaugh, kavanaugh was trying to be confirmed as a united states supreme court justice,

trying to get through that as best he could, not argue much. having to defend himself. this is a very different situation for kamala harris tomorrow night. >> greg: i agree. first, this plexiglass divider, reminds me of going into a liquor store in a bad neighborhood. like with all of the cashiers are behind this thing and you have to slip the money through. >> jesse: don't you send guys in to those stores? >> greg: i usually wait in the back of my limo. okay. we're looking at these two candidates. we're looking at it in different light because it's a more significant debate given the age of the candidates. pence looks like hi could be president. he looks like he jumped right off of a franklin mint coin. she seems to unsure of her own abilities. she has the giggle thing going. she has one advantage and the advantage is trump. trump is a buffet of eight different types of food made out

of trump. when she doesn't have an idea or a thing to say, all she has to do is run over to the buffet, get some trump au gratin or trump fries or trump scalloped potatoes. she will never run out of stuff to say. that's what she's going to do. >> dana: earlier today, juan, i couldn't remember the name of the candidate that pence faced off with. it was tim kaine from virginia. how can they make this debate more memorable? >> juan: dana, so much of this has to do is it going to move the polls. is it going to make a difference. people will tune in because as greg and jesse pointed out, two 70-year-olds and a real

possibili possibility that one of them could be president of the united states. i don't think anybody is tuning in saying i'm going to change my vote based on the outcome of this debate. right now the polls had been static, really, through the conventions and up to the first debate. over the last week since the p started to move. they have not moved in a good direction for president i think now we have seen that the debate really did have some impact and i'm not sure that this coming debate tomorrow night will have that kind of political impact but i think it will have a big audience. >> dana: martha, trump is a trump buffet and he runs hot. pence runs cooler. biden reads as a much older person as she reads as a much younger person to biden. so how -- is that an advantage for her going into tomorrow night? >> martha: i think it is. they both have to be more policy focused. i talked to college kids in utah

this morning. they said gee, i hope this debate is more substantive than the last one. this is an opportunity for mike pence to drill down on the achievements of the trump presidency and to lay them out clearly and he will have to hold kamala harris's feet to the fire on fracking, medicare for all. she's flip-flopped on a number of issues since she was a primary candidates and i look to see where she stands on that, like packing the court to which she said absolutely when she was asked about it a few short months ago. so yeah, they are going to be the more vibrant team from what we've seen in the prior debate. the next debate is also one that we'll be sitting on the edge of our seats for at this point. >> dana: i think that pence will pivot to the economy and prosecute that case well for the president. next up, joe biden tries to separates himself from socialism yet again. but bernie sanders has other plans of democrats winning in november.

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i remember herwho was because she had a bracelet that had the names of her children. she asked me, 'doctor, am i going to be okay?' and i could not give her the answer that i wanted to give her. there is no excuse for why we don't have this under control at this point. joe biden listens to medical experts. he actually has a plan that does the things that we should have been doing many months ago. and joe biden is not going to let his ego get in the way

of fighting the disease. ff pac is responsible for the content of this ad. ♪ >> juan: joe biden distancing himself from socialism. here's what he said in a town hall last night. >> do i look like a socialist? i'm the guy that ran the soci socialis socialists. joe biden was too moderate, straightforward? i have taken on the very people that in fact we're worried about. >> juan: senator bernie sanders however has some big plans for democrats if they take back the senate. >> the democrats gain control of the senate, you're looking at the chairman of the subcommittee on health. and trust me, that the

healthcare industry and the drug companies will understand a very new reality when that happens. >> juan: martha, the trump campaign keeps trying to tie biden to bernie and to bernieist socialism but doesn't seem to be having much effect. why are they doing it? >> martha: i don't know. bernie seemed clear in what the he planned to do once he got aheld of the healthcare committee. there was this several page document and the green new deals and these issues. that is obviously where you're going to see pence and harris. she will be defending that she's on joe biden's side, that she's going to bring things to the middle even though she's far to the left, the farthest left voting in the senate. pence is going to remind people of that you're going to get a very different america if you vote for this biden-harris

ticket. this isn't the choice that is before america right now. it's a very different picture than what we've got right now. that is the incredibly stark choices before the america people. you can't dance around it. joe biden has moved much further to the left than he was in his early years. he talks about paying for healthcare for illegals, talked about -- i know he's moved on these positions, but he's talked about eliminating charter schools in this country. there's a lot there for people to decide which way they want to go. he can dance around it all he wants but those positions are things that need to be more clearly defined before people vote on them. >> juan: dana, when we look at those numbers, the trump campaign says if we can divide biden from the left wing and the sanders supporters, could diminish his support. what we've seen in the polls is that it's trump who is having trouble with seniors, trump who

is having trouble with women. >> dana: one of the most successful campaigns that the republican candidates have run, not just the trump campaign but house and senate candidates, they are backly running, showing pictures of what bernie sanders just said. if the democrats win not just the presidency but if they take back the senate, bernie sanders will be in charge of healthcare policy for the senate with a democrat and the executive branch. that scares republicans. you want to get republicans out to vote, that will work. throw a little picture of there of elizabeth warren as your treasury secretary. aoc at the department of commerce. those types of things help you try to understand what actually it would look like. people is grasp that. biden is benefitting from favorable and easy news coverage. so i think tomorrow night pence will be able to say these are the following things that will either go away or will happen to you if they win office over us. give us another four years.

that's what pence will try to do. >> juan: greg, you think it's in the president's best interest to call attention to healthcare when everybody says he had four years, he had a promise and he's done nothing to improve or resolve the issue of healthcare in america. >> greg: telemedicine is a big deal. if i were trump, i'd say while i'm social distancing, biden is trying to socialist distancing and failing. the irony is the real mask that joe is wearing is the centrist mask. he wears it to calm the population down in case they start wondering who is pulling his strings. if it's the progressive wing, because the bottom line, we really don't know because he's not answering any questions. the media is not asking him any questions. asked about packing the supreme court. no, he knows that will put him in a tough spot. love or hate trump, you know where he's coming from. he tells you every single day. he answers every question.

he tells you what he's going to do. he may not get to do it but he is sure as hell telling you we have no idea, we have no clue what joe is going to do because he has no clue because he's waiting for instructions from whoever helped him get the nomination. we know who that is. >> juan: jesse, do you think that it's a case here that the trump campaign still wishing they were running against bernie sanders? >> jesse: they are to a certain extent. if you're a for a public option, trillions in tax hikes, eliminations of fossil fuels and gun grabbing, i don't know where you're from but i call that a social astonishingly. that's what joe biden supports. he didn't take open the socialists in the primary. the social astonishinglies took him to the left. that's what happened. he's having problems with his base and the media will not cover it. for instance, the other day he comes out and he says he was able to quarantine because black women were stocking the shelves. no coverage.

the fact that nbc in their town hall stacked the deck with so-called undecided voters that were in fact biden supporters. or today they just declassified a bomb shell handwritten notes from obama's cia director saying hillary clinton cooked up the collusion scam. did you hear any coverage of that? no. it's so bad that they won't even touch it. >> juan: all right. thank you. up next, president trump ready to get back on the campaign trail. what he is saying about debating joe biden next on "the five." ♪ ok everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. whoo-hoo! great tasting ensure with 9 grams of protein, 27 vitamins and minerals, and nutrients to support immune health.

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♪ >> martha: president trump raring to go despite his battle with covid-19. he says he can't wait to get back on the campaign trail and lookses forward to the debate. for a few days, there's probably -- we're going to hear from him tonight is my understanding in some sort of video appearance from the white house. he is going to be a little under wraps in the coming days. how do they make up for that? >> dana: he's still making news and leading the news like he did today with his announcement

about ending the covid-19 relief talks. i think the lead up to the miami debate is going to be even more hyped than the first debate. for good reason. president trump will be seen as the underdog going into that debate. he needs a good debate. generally americans love a comeback story. you'll see a different president in terms of tone and demeanor. that will set up an even more hyped final debate in nashville. >> martha: jesse, the expectations will be high for that debate in miami. the president will have to nail a lot of things that he didn't nail last time. what are you looking for there? >> jesse: i'm not going to sugar coat it. the president getting covid takes the decision away from the economic reopening and back to covid because he got it personally. it takes all the coverage away from joe biden and puts it on the president. so it's a challenge that i think he will meet that challenge.

you know, he's still got a better ground game, more surrogates and more popular populous policies. he has to start hammering joe. he will. the polls are totally cooked. i saw a poll joe upober polls in 2016. nbc had hillary clinton up 14. abc had hillary up 12. cbs had hillary up 11. ap had hillary up 13. they all had hillary up double digits at the same time in october last time. i don't think that is going to go the same way. >> martha: that's right. biden actually in better shape than barack obama was at this point in the pre-2016 period. greg, you know, they're going to turn out the family members and try to fill in the gap there. will that do the trick. >> greg: i don't know. i think of that urban legend that elvis presley tried to lose weight. they knocked him out and he

slept through it. i want fox to do that with me. knock me out for about four weeks and wake me up when this is over. >> jesse: juan will knock you out. >> greg: i'll be here. >> martha: juan, is there an opening here for democrats in this bridge gap period? >> juan: yes. that's what the polls show. democrats right now are doing very well. i think that you have this debate coming up. the question is, well, does the cdc say it's safe for joe biden to be on the stage with donald trump? does trump agree to a plexiglass separator? very interesting. >> martha: he says he intends to be in person. one more thing is coming up next after this. ♪ i'm still on the road to what's next. and i'm still going for my best. even though i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin, i'm on top of that. eliquis. eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin.

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>> eddie van halen passed away today after a long bout with throat cancer. probably one of the greatest guitarists of all time if not the greatest guitarist of all time. if you were like me, a 14-year-old, who went out and about their very first record, you know the feeling when you first heard eddie van halen. eruption itself sounded like it came from another planet. i have terrible memories of this album because i went to banana records and hillsdale mall in san mateo to buy this album, stealing from my dad's coin collection. >> jesse: oh. >> greg: i still have dollars in silver dollars to buy this first record. oh so amazing, but i felt terrible about it but i feel even worse now. he was an amazing, amazing musician i will miss him. r.i.p. eddie van halen. >> jesse: do you like that song?

>> greg: no, let's talk about when van halen was great, not in the "jump" period. when they introduced the keyboards, mistake. >> jesse: all right. vice presidential debates and you have a front row seat right here. fox news democracy 2020 live gives you in-depth access to analysis, historical trivia, interactive votes on the issues and the candidates, plus a live, running blog throughout the debate. how do you get all this? just do this, bookmark this page. foxnews.com/2020 live or use the camera on your phone to scan the qr code that you see on your screen like you do when you go out to eat. democracy 2020 live is the singular place -- you know what i'm talking about -- scan and log on, join us tomorrow night. it all starts one hour before the vp debate. dana, you are up next.

>> dana: okay, there's a new episode of "dana perino's book club." i talk to trey gowdy about his new book called "doesn't hurt to ask." all about his time as a former prosecutor and congressman but really it's about how to persuade. it's an excellent book, i highly recommend it. here's a short clip. >> to be fully effective when it comes to persuasion, there has to be some kind of relationship. if enough to last for a long time but something where you can read what resonates and what connects. >> dana: you can check it out at foxnation.com. all the book clubs are there. >> jesse: i'm going to try that persuasion with one. >> dana: knock yourself out, jessie. >> jesse: you and i figure it out at dinner. >> juan: all right. i want to congratulate you on that baby anyway. >> jesse: thank you. >> juan: you're going to like this, they're calling it the great escape. take a look at twin boys fleeing

the big house in dallas. he has come as you can see, the 1-year-old, broke out before mom caught onto the mischief. the mom said the boys are racing to catch up with their 7-year-old dog. how adorable and what a handful of those boys are going to be. >> jesse: hayden and hudson. >> dana: children are escaping. >> martha: okay, i couldn't look away from this. this guy's a tree surgeon, impressive in and of itself. he is at the top of a palm tree, he gets to the top and then he gets to go for a ride. look at this! peter showed that to me this morning. this was taken by someone who was standing there watching. this terrified me. he could've gone flying off that thing. >> jesse: a tree surgeon. >> martha: would you like to do that? what job should you have when you grow up? san bernardino, california. but i think he was just trying

to cut off some of the leaves and then the whole head of the palm tree fell off, but he just hangs on, because he's a tree surgeon, and then he manages to get down. also the voter panel tonight. i sat down with college students and we will see that on "the story." >> jesse: that's it for us. "special report" up next with bret. >> bret: thanks. good evening, i'm bret baier. from outside kingsbury hall, the campus of the university of utah in salt lake city. we are 27 hours away from the first and only cycle. it pits incumbent vice president mike pence against california democratic senator kamala harris. the monitor will be "usa today" chief washington bureau susan page, frequent panelist on "special report." there will be additional health and