>> dana: thanks for joining us. i am dana perino. bill, i will see you on "the five." i found that interesting. >> bill: he has a brilliant mind. talking about college, technology or hoops or debates. there is something going on behind us tonight. >> dana: right there. >> bill: nice to see you. >> [loud music playing]. [inaudible]. >> bill: it's one o'clock in utah. vice-president pence and kamala harris face off on the debate stage. dana perino and bret baier will join me with analysis. president trump still recovering from covid as the white house. doctors saying the president is symptom free and feels great. joe biden taking a break from the trail today. only 27 days until the election and already millions have cast their ballots. >> [loud music playing].

>> bill: a big hour. l.a. mayor and the rnc chair and jason chaffetz and juan williams are here today. john roberts leads live from the north lawn. >> we are still expecting that the president may give a video message before the day is over. we are not clear about that yet. we got an update on the president's health from the white house physician who said the president told him this morning, i feel great. connally adding his vital signs are stable and has been fever free for over 4 days and symptom free for over 24 hours. hasn't needed oxygen since his hospitalization. he said the president's labs defected levels of coronavirus antibodies drawn on monday meaning the president's own

immune system is mounting a response to this. the white house is not saying whether the president is still testing positive. i imagine when we tests negative we will hear about it. safety protocols were put in place for the president to work out of the oval office. he did not. he stayed in the residence. they will remain in place over the next few days until the president is up and around in case he wants to spend time there. the chief of staff mark meadows earlier today. >> he is doing real well. we spent time together yesterday working very hard from the resident. he is feeling great and his heart goes out to the millions of americans who struggled with this virus. >> president trump is focussed on covid relief today after

pulling out of the negotiations. he said if i am sent a stand alone bill... there is also 146-billion dollars of unspent money from the first cares act that could be put toward the paycheck protection program, unemployment and support for the airlines. they need legislation to free it up. the president urging congress to come together on that. negotiations on a more comprehensive package are stalled for now. >> it became obvious over the last couple of days that a comprehensive bill was going to get to a point where it did not have much republican support at all. >> one of the big questions is when the president can leave the building. cdc guidelines say 10 days after

the on set of symptoms if you test negative you can endisolation. that would put it towardsowards end of the weekend. sunday or monday. the president really wants to go to the debate in miami on thursday. a week from tomorrow. i am sure the president will do everything he can to try to be there to go head-to-head against biden in round two. >> bill: i am sure of that. john roberts at the white house. team fox coverage continues. jackie is here with us. >> senator harris is focussing on delivering a relatable message. with coronavirus we will showcase on what families are feeling under this administration. because that was such a big part of her debate prep, democrats don't think she will have to adjust the attack line even with the president battling this

virus. jeff weaver said she can get out a simpler message. >> i don't think the biden campaign was going for the throat in one of these debates. if they highlight the president's recklessness dealing with the coronavirus with the american public and his only health and the health of the focus at the white house, they will be effective. >> weaver pointed out vice-president pence has a bigger job because president trump spent so much time interrupting in the first debate, he didn't layout of the agenda of the second term. they expect pence to lie and distract but harris is a prosecutor. >> mike pence is the head of the

coronavirus task force. senator harris will make a case that their failed leadership failed the american people. we don't do this about being with kamala harris or mike pence. >> democrats tell me harris will likely talk about president trump getting experimental treatment and then might pivot out of filling a supreme court vacancy. >> bill: here's bret baier and dana perino. i want to show the images that came out today. this is the plexiglass that will divide kamala harris and mike pence. it's officially 5 feet and 6

inches high and 4 inches wide. how does the director shoot this? does the audience know it? is it an issue for the two candidates or go by after five minutes? >> bret: i was in there yesterday. i looked at it. it kind of disappears. you don't see it that intently. i bet the director avoids that shot. i am sure susan page will address it. the additional precautions but i don't think it will become a big factor. >> dana: yesterday there was backed and forth. maybe the pence team didn't want to the plexiglass. if the democrats want it, fine and i will talk about the economy. >> bill: almost as if it was right here. another thing came. in nancy pelosi did the "view" earlier today and brought up

this topic about mental fitness. this was her again. >> last time i had interaction with the president was the state of the union address. i tore up the speech. i said to my staff, i think he was medicated. there is something wrong with how he came on and presented. i said yesterday to my colleagues, there are those who say that steroids have an impact on people's thinking. >> bill: part of the reason we bring that up is because of the way the president is going after joe biden and his mental status. this was a return save today this politics. >> bret: yes, for all of the focus when the president tweeted out that joe biden should get tested before the debate, this is that again in a different form. she went on to say the reason he

broke up the negotiations on the coronavirus stimulus is because he was on steroids. that's something. the president tweeted to start up negotiations on smaller single bills. that spurred the markets today significantly. >> bill: the dow up riot now. -- right now. the back and forth? >> dana: turn with is fairplay. they said joe biden needed to submit to a drug test. when the candidates debate the next time hopefully in miami, the voters can see for themselves the mental fitness of each candidate. >> bill: this has the potential to be a good match up tonight. normally the vice-president debates wash over. do you think this has greater impact? >> bret: i do. because the first debate and how

it was so aggressive, people will look at. these two men are older at the top of the ticket and it makes the vice-president choices more the focus considering where they could be down the road. >> bill: are we talking about this tomorrow? >> dana: i think we will. i also think there is another reason this debate is interesting. it's the first audition for the primaries to come in 2024. vice-president pence wants to be at the top of the ticket and joe biden said he doesn't plan for a second term. kamala harris this is the biggest stage she will have. >> bill: he is 65 -- we cover the debate. i will on with martha maccallum. the debate begins at 9 eastern

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in l.a. county 2100 voters received mail-in ballots that had no election there for donald trump or joe biden. nothing at the presidential level. what happened here? >> well, it was clearly a mistake. it's rare that donald trump and i agree on things. it's a mistake and it will be fixed. i want to vote for a president. that will be fixed. it's different than calling on people to vote twice as we have seen president trump do or restricting in certain states like ohio or texas. a single drop off location for ballots. if you can't grow your electoral base you try to shrink it. we should all vote. >> bill: franklin county, ohio, columbus. it's a critical part of the

state. 11,000 north carolina residents got incorrect voter registration. brooklyn new york has to mail out 100,000 mail-in ballots because they screwed up the new watch. how did we trust this on november 4th? >> there is no question that covid-19 changed all aspects including how we vote. we should make sure as many people can vote. that's your right as an american and do it securely red states or blue states, we need to fix those things fast. the idea it's a conspiracy doesn't bear out. let's protect this democracy. i am in l.a. >> bill: california, senator kamala harris knows well. do you advise her to be

aggressive or laid back given the president's current condition with covid? >> i would say be yourself. she is a dear friend. i was on the vice-presidential selection committee. she knows how to be tough and has an amazing heart. this is about introducing yourself as a human being. second it's about making a clear contrast between a campaign with a heart and the experience america needs against a ticket that hasn't shown that heart and refuses to have plans to expand our healthcare and deal with coronavirus. that will be crystal clear tonight and the stakes will be crystal clear. this coronavirus can affect anybody. we have to take it seriously. >> bill: joe biden is talk itting about not having next

week's debate in miami. do you think that's a good idea? >> we should follow the advice of doctors and professionals. you can have a debate this many different ways. if the doctors say green light for the president, we will be there. >> bill: could it be virtual in the end? >> it could be. americans hopefully will get a chance where folks don't talk over each other. i was in cleveland. i didn't know i was 15 feet away from so many people with coronavirus that did not wear a mask. there should not be a war on masks or plexiglass. this kills people. we will follow the advice. whether it's president trump or vice-president pence who is the head of the coronavirus task force, we should be listening to those doctors ahead of politicians. >> bill: mayor garcettii thanks

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>> ♪ >> ♪ >> bill: welcome back to salt lake city. tonight's vice-presidential debate taking on new importance as the president officer from covid back in the white house. senator harris expected to go all in on covid. we have not seen the topics ahead of time. robert barnett is a debate prep

expert. 4 years ago, you helped mike pence. you played mike pence in your prep with tim cane. i know you are not involved in this election for either party. how did you get ready to play mike pence in 2016? what did you do? >> i had the opportunity over 10 cycles to play the republican opponent. i prepare a detailed briefing book on every issue i can think of and the attacks and rebuttals. i don't imitate them. i just imitate a few words and positions. >> bill: you didn't try to assume his personality then? >> no. i am not an actor.

i think i assumed his positions and those that he espoused. >> bill: you have done debate prep for democrats since 1976. with dukakis and lieberman and barack obama and tim cain. do you think at the vice-presidential level given the times in which we are in 2020, this means more tonight or no? >> i think it's very consequential because of the president's illness. people will take a much closer look at mike pence. over the years vice-presidential debates generally have not made a difference. the first one that was ever held in 1976, the research showed it made a 3% difference in the

general election. i think tonight big stakes. >> bill: you just mentioned mike pence. you think people are taking a closer look at him. he's been in public life for years. what is kamala harris's big challenge tonight? she has never had this platform before, robert. >> well, mike pence when he did this last time against tim cain in 2016 was a governor and member of congress. this time he will have to defend 4 years of a presidency. that's a big difference. i think kamala harris will likely go very hard at the failures of those 4 years as the democrat party sees them. also, the most important thing she can do is use this time to do what i thought joe biden did pretty well in the first debate. look at the camera and say what

the biden/harris ticket is for. they have plans. they have ideas. but you know what it's like, bill. you go out and give a speech and the press doesn't drill down on the substance. this is an unbelievable 90 minute opportunity to give people a reason to be for you. the more time she spends doing that, she will do well. >> bill: that's unless mike pence puts her on defense. medicare for call and green deal and her position on fragging. -- fracking. >> there are two different playing fields. mike pence will debate on the green deal and they are coming to take your suburbs. i predict that kamala harris will talk about climate change, the pandemic and how we deal with the devastated economy and racial injustice. i think there will be two different playing fields.

how those are reconciled with the help of the moderator will be the telling result tonight. >> bill: good to see you again. have a great evening. >> thank you, bill. >> bill: from utah back to washington, president trump seizing on new documents detailing a critical briefing between the former cia director john brennan and hillary clinton and president obama. our team weighs on that as we continue coverage in utah in one moment. we made usaa insurance for members like martin. an air force veteran made of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. that's how you do it right. usaa insurance is made just the way martin's family needs it - with hassle-free claims, he got paid before his neighbor even got started. because doing right by our members, that's what's right. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for.

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>> ♪ >> bill: 3:33 back this washington. getting word a white house official telling fox news there is a briefing happening right now in the oval office with the president talking about the stimulus and also the hurricane. this is the first time the president has been in the oval office since returning to the white house from walter reed

earlier in the week. more on that as to what we learn. president trump calling for the release of all documents related to the russian investigation and hillary clinton's email. big story when the president tweeted this. jillian. good afternoon. >> good afternoon, bill. newly released document from operation cross fire hurricane are creating a fire storm in washington. john brennan lashing out at the director of national intelligence after ratcliffe released documents from the operation over to the house and senate intelligence committees. takes a listen. >> john is anything but an intelligence professional. it's appalling his selective declassification of information designed to advance the political interests of donald trump and republicans who are

aligned with him. >> former intelligence officials duked it out to twitter. one tweeting proof that barack obama and joe biden used the powers of government to attack donald trump's campaign. and one replying you are an expletive. he responded: just a few weeks away from election day, the justice department investigate president trump's 2016 political opponent hillary clinton. the president tweeted this morning: that authorization the president

referenced dates back to a year and a half ago when he authorized his attorney general bill barr to release all documents relateing to cross fire hurricane. we will bring you more developments throughout the hour. >> bill: okay. our team now. jason chaffetz former republican congressman. from utah. juan williams from "the five" and katie. a good looking team here. why has it taken this long to get this russia information out? >> this thing is years old. the director of national intelligence ratcliffe has been on the job 4 months. they have britain working through the process of working with 17 different agencies to get it declassified. to find out that hillary clinton

and her campaign and the democrats not only conceived of this and paid for it and executed a spying campaign on donald trump and that president obama and joe biden knew about this a long time ago. this is a story that should be on the cover of every magazine and it's not being covered. >> bill: from your time in washington you would understand the pace by which washington moves. i don't know if the public understands it takes this long. >> they do and don't. they keep hearing about these stories but never seeing all of the information or getting to the bottom who did something wrong. there was frustration with how long the durham probe took. in terms it of gathering this time of information it would be bad for the trump administration if they declassedify all of this information and didn't go through it to make sure there were not any human sources and expose people who are at risk. the cia and many intelligence

agencies use over-classification to cover-up bad behavior, there is a risk. in terms of releasing the information it says a lot the president is willing to declassify this information. getting this out to the american people is not political as the democrats try to claim. it's about showing people what went on and the fact that the obama administration and others and the irs investigation against the tea party in 2010 were using the most powerful intelligence agencies in the world to go after a political campaign to drastic from hillary clinton's own alleged criminal wrongdoing is a huge scandal. it's government abuse and that's a question for joe biden to answer. >> bill: these documents show that the previous administration had dirty hands on this. >> that's outrageous. you should not say that. there is no proof anybody has any dirty hands. what is going on is in the middle of a political campaign

where donald trump is doing well. he is engaged in distraction. this is typical donald trump. the bipartisan senate intelligence committee put out a report signed by the majority that said clearly in 2016, the russians interfered in our election to the benefit of donald trump. they wanted donald trump to win. there is no question about this. is donald trump going to run again in 2016, going back in time? that's what this is about. this has nothing to do with the 2020 election. are the me finish. ratliff who has no background in intelligence is really serving the political purposes of the president at this moment to drastic the american people. he said this could be a russian disinformation campaign.

u.s. intelligence never confirmed what he is releasing. >> bill: we will see it and makeup our own minds. >> it was the cia director with his own notes briefing the president. >> hold on. >> [overlapping talking]. >> is that responsible? >> yes, it is responsible. to suggest that ratcliffe doesn't have the background. he was a u.s. attorney prosecuting terrorism cases in the bush administration. he is highly qualified to do it. to go through the process of making sure that no sources and methods, but this is direct from the cia director. president obama's cia director for president obama. >> bill: is there something here or as juan suggests nothing? >> its durham investigation didn't get under way until may of 2020.

that's a criminal investigation. congress has been investigate longer. but the only person who can brin charges is john durham and the department of justice. there was an fbi attorney who pleaded guilty to altering evidence to get a fisa warrant on carter page. you have james comey saying if he knew what he knew then, he would not approve that warrant. there are a lot of dirty hands here. there is not just what we are learning now about john durham briefing president obama. it's a series of other issues with the fbi trying to drop the case against michael flynn. and fbi headquarters said no we will keep the case open. this is a big piece coming out and a broader story about the

abuse that went on at the fbi. >> bill: juan? >> katie is talking about the durham report and people who admitting to doctoring documents. it's not specifically on this issue which is a dump of intelligence information. it was not related to this at this moment. >> [overlapping talking]. >> i don't think it's connected. it goes back to 2016. i don't see why we need to do a post mortum. today is october 7th in 2020. >> they talked about russia for 4 years and did a special counsel investigation over something they cooked up. now we are not allowed to talk about it.

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>> ♪ >> bill: at least a dozen people with ties to the president have tested positive for covid-19 including white house staffer, senators a senators and republican national convention chair woman ronna

mcdaniel. your first interview since contracting the virus. how are you feeling? >> feeling better. obviously thinking about those who are still dealing with this and my thoughts and prayers go out to so many americans who are still dealing with this. i am feeling good and on the mend and getting more energy every day. >> bill: i read where you believe you got it from a family member. is that how you traced it to a week ago? >> yes, i had a family member who had it. i had been staying away. but i came home and within 2 days i started feeling sick. i said i am not going to the debate. i got my positive test on wednesday i have been quarantining since. >> bill: i was looking at the rose garden event on saturday with judge barrett. i don't believe you were there. >> no, i was not there. >> bill: you were at the trump hotel the night before for a fundraiser. do you think that is

a possibility? >> i don't. i tested negative that thursday and friday. nobody at that event including any of the rnc staff i was with that day had tested positive. >> bill: why do you think 34 people connected to the white house, the president and the first lady, between the white house and the campaign, how did this go so wrong? >> i think is a novel virus that is incredibly contagious. as rnc chair and the president, we were talking to the american people who don't have the luxury of not going to work, who can't have to go to the store and are sending their kids to school. the president said i will be out there campaigning and fight for your vote. we will be out there as we ramp up therapeutics and getting a vaccine. we will recognize this is something we have never seen before. we will get through this together with our president leading the way.

>> bill: you spent a lot of time in the white house. do you think there is a hole in the system there now? >> i don't. i think they have been testing. they have been using the ppe. i think is a virus that is incredibly contagious. the democrats say shut everything down. the president said we can balance our lives and wear the ppe and the masks and get therapeutics up and run and this warp speed vaccine, but we have to live our lives. that's where most americans are. we have to move forward fighting this virus together. it's not optional for people living paycheck to paycheck to bunker down like elite politicians and hollywood actors. >> bill: the president is back in the oval office for the first time in about 5 or 6 days.

how concerned are you for his health? >> i have talked to him the past 3 days. he sounds great. i am so proud what he's done to lead us through this crisis. not even a year out, we have therapeutics like remdesivir and regeneron. we figured out so much what steroids can do. we are on track to a vaccine. what this administration has done is remarkable with no help from democrats. democrats finger pointing trying to use the pandemic for political gain instead of coming together with this president and saying how can we be all hands on deck? it's remarkable where we are. the therapeutics the president used the remdesivir and the steroids are available to all americans. >> bill: it's going to be a big part of tonight's debate.

this memo came out and they are going after the covid response. how will mike pence defend the actions taken in january, february and march? >> mike pence can say we shutdown the border and recognized the threat it was while joe biden was saying let's leave america open and joe biden put no plan forward except finger pointing. the president got the ppe and did the 30 days to slow the spread and got us ventilators. it's been remarkable what this administration has done. it's despicable for democrats to use to the pandemic for political gain and not work with this president in a time of crisis. it usually brings out the best but it's bringing without the worst in joe biden who is more insistent on finger pointing. >> bill: glad you are feeling

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oh, i will rescue you >> today is a good day but it is also a solemn one. today, we remember the four innocent americans whose lives were taken by isis. >> bill: charges against the members of the so-called isis beatles. the defendants expected to make their first court appearance in virginia this afternoon. foreign affairs correspondent greg palkot reports. >> bill, you're absolutely right, alleged members of terrorist group isis accused in the killing of americans are

about to face justice. known as the beatles because of their british accents. charged with helping to kill foreign hostages including four americans. james foley was beheaded in 2014. the gruesome video made public by isis. the circumstances of aid worker kayla mueller's death are not known but it is believed that al-baghdad sexually abused her before he was killed in a strike. >> like many terrorists before them they underestimated american resolve to obtain justice. fellow citizen harmed or killed

by terrorists anywhere in the world. these men will now be brought before a united states court it face justice for the depraved acts alleged against them in the indictments. >> bill, i was in iraq at the time of the killing of james foley. it shook the region. woke up the u.s. and the world to the brutality of isis. >> bill: our special coverage of tonight's big debate begins on the fox news channel with bret and martha at 6:00 eastern time and i'll see you on fox broadcast stations across america. 90 minutes in salt lake. 10 minute sections. mike pence and kamala harris will be on stage tonight and 10's of millions will be watching at home. set your d.v.r., never miss a

report. salt lake for today. in the meantime, stimulus talk on the new covid package has sent the markets flying. "your world" begins right now. have a great day, and we'll see you later tonight on fox. >> neil: about yesterday, bill, it was an an illusion because talks are back on and stimulus might happen after all, the dow jones up almost 530 points all on word that the president of the united states -- he didn't do a 180. he did pivot a little bit saying that he is still open to some form of stimulus. maybe something more selective like $1,200 checks that could come out to help people as they did in the beginning of the pandemic or relief for the airline industry and leave it at that. the stimulus wouldn't have to