>> that does it for our two hour preview, we are heading over to the debate hall next. >> tucker carlson is coming up with more of our predebate coverage and we will make our way over there. we will see you at the top of the hour. stay tuned. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." an hour from right now the vice presidential debate begins in salt lake city utah. it is a legitimate news event, obviously, but we are going to be honest with you, under normal circumstances we wouldn't give it exactly breathless coverage. it's not that interesting. nothing about the vice presidency is very interesting. quick, hooded hillary clinton run with four years ago? if you guessed some guy, you're squarely in the majority of most americans. don't feel bad about it, history barely reports the name of winning vp candidates. it's fair to say that abraham lincoln was a pretty big deal. he ended slavery and won the

civil war, but how many people remember lincoln's first vice president, hannibal hamlin of paracel main? even in maine there are some who have never heard of him. nelson rockefeller became vice president of the unit it states under gerald ford. what you do all day, someone once asked him. "i go to funerals," he said. i go -- that was a fair description. with the exception of dick cheney, every modern vice president has been utterly subordinate to the leader he has served. most vice president's are afterthoughts and that was especially true of joe biden. barack obama had such a low opinion of joe biden's intelligent in his abilities that he openly mocked him to his staff, twice. obama refused to endorse joe biden for president, presumably for the good of the country. what's interesting and what's sad in a way, is that years later, joe biden is still in the same role. if he is elected president, joe biden would remain the junior partner in the white house. biden will be 78 on

inauguration day inauguration day. it's hard to imagine he would finish a full term, but even if he does, kamala harris is more than 20 years younger. she is sharper, more aggressive and far more in tune with the radical spirit of the modern democratic party. kamala harris knows what she wants, no question. she bulldozed her elderly sentimental boss. so tonight we will be airing the vice presidential debate, what we will actually be looking at is kamala harris 's audition for the presidency. that's the office she's running for, no matter what they tell you. the debate itself will look weirder than most of them do. harris and mike pence will be separated on stage by sheets of plexiglas like the checkout counter at an inner-city liquor store. the biden campaign demanded th this. actual scientists laughed at it, there's no measurable health benefit to doing it, but whatever. this of the same people who wear their masks when they ride their bicycles, they are not interested in what science says. they want to look serious. one thing they are really serious about though is ideolo ideology. they're not kidding. kamala harris has an agenda, a

real one. a close look at what she would do as our functional president. those details haven't been much discussed in the media, you have may have noticed, most the cover tribes centered on questions like how do you say her name? by the way, joe biden still doesn't know, he regularly miss pronounces it. most of the rest of the coverage of paris is consisted of warns that we had better go easy on her. kamala harris is a woman. in a criticism will be regarded as sexist. to be clear, not as sexy, but as sexist, which is bad. >> her team is also aware of the unfair gender stereotypes that she might be up against. a secretary hillary clinton advising senator harris to be assertive, to be firm, but also to not do so too strongly as to be seen as aggressive. unfair, to be sure, but that's the advice coming from the first female nominated to be a presidential candidate four years ago. >> tucker: gender stereotypes. whatever msnbc didn't bother to explain is how in a world where

we are required to pretend that gender categories are real, how in that world can gender stereotypes even exist? what executives that mean? it doesn't mean anything, obviously, it's not a description, it's a threat. leave kamala harris alone or we will hurt you. we will smear you as a bigot if you attack her, good luck getting a job after we're done. harris herself has done this many times. she's a seasoned pro at hiding behind her own identity. last fall for example, polls showed her losing her home state and the democratic primary. that's pretty embarrassing. but harris had an explanation for it. california is racist. americans in general are racist, that's why they don't love me. >> what i've described in what i believe to be in the elephant in the room about my campaign. >> what is that? >> electability. essentially, is america ready for a woman and a woman of color to be president of the united states. >> america was ready for a black man to be president of the

united states. >> in this conversation happened for him. there is a lack of ability or a difficulty in imagining that someone who we have never seen him do a job that has been done 45 times by someone who is not that person. >> tucker: yeah, a lot of racist democratic primary voters out there. the weird thing is, all of these secret racist democrats voted for barack obama twice in a row. that's pretty strange behavior for racists. baby it's harris 'has indian side they object to. or maybe the whole explanation is a ludicrous crock of nonsense doesn't even make sense. more likely, voters don't like kamala harris because she is a transparent fraud, from her phony inflected accent, her synthetic bio, to her featherweight work history. joe biden's corn pop story is more real than anything about kamala harris and it's not even true. democratic pollsters know all this, they see the numbers, and that's why they've told harris to start using the phrase "speaking the truth."

maybe voters will think she is. >> one of the most important values i think we must fight for a speaking the truth. >> we have to speak truth about it. >> we speak truth and we are loyal. >> that we speak truth. >> let's speak truth. >> let's speak another truth. >> we must all speak truth. >> select speak some truth. >> and we need to speak that truth so we can deal with it. >> let's speak another truth, let's speak truth about our economy and let's speak the biggest truth, the biggest truth of all. >> tucker: let's speak truth. let's, let's do that. to begin tonight, we're happy to have newt gingrich here, former speaker of the house, author of the book "trump in the american future: solving right problems of our time." >> come thanks so much for joining us. is it my imagination or is this a more significant vice president of the bait, vice president torres then we get in a normal year?

>> first of all, i just want to congratulate you on that perfect explanation of kamala harris' brilliant narcissism. and her belief that if she says speak truth long enough, people will forget that she is a radical from san francisco, which is her big problem. i think this is a very important debate for a couple reasons. one is that you have this huge contrast between the san francisco radical and sort of a heartland conservative indiana and the gap on values and on issues is going to be in norma's. second -- she is talked about harris administration. even biden has talked about the harris-biden ticket. i think your instinct is right. she is the dynamic force on their ticket and she represents a radicalism which frankly i hope every american gets to see up close and personal, and i hope tonight the president gives her plenty of opportunity to

explain why she would seize guns, why she is for paying for abortion in the ninth month, why she has for totally open borders. at one point she even talked about allowing the boston bomber to vote from jail while he's waiting on death row. it's hard to imagine -- again, if you're from san francisco and your genuine radical, you come up with all sorts of things you can't explain to normal americans. >> tucker: i think i missed a lot of the dynamic between joe biden and voters early on. my new view is that because he has slowed down, it's not an attack, just an observation, he seems less threatening to a lot of people. and i wonder if you're running against the harris-biden ticket, if it wouldn't be wiser to highlight more of kamala harris' positions. >> i think that the more they can make this a race between san francisco radicalism and sort of mainstream american values -- you know, a perfect example is this question about supreme court justices.

donald trump runs for office, he gives you a list of who he would nominate. biden can't do that. he can't do it for a simple reason. if he gives you a list, the american people except, his radical base will go crazy. if he gives you a list that the base will accept, the country will repudiate him so he just blatantly refuses to tell you what is going to do and they do this over and over and because 93% of the media is determined to destroy trump, they protect them, they cover a biden, cover up harris. there's no serious reporting about the true radicalism of the biden-harris ticket or what it would be like, as you point out, you're exactly right, with harris dominating the next administration. joe, if he got to be president, sleeping through half the day and she be working overtime putting her radical allies in charge of virtually everything. >> tucker: very quickly, i can't resist to ask you, and msnbc anchor tweeted the other day at some point we need truth and reconciliation commissions, presumably to harass and maybe

prosecute trump supporter's. if biden and harris win, are trump supporters in trouble? sincere question. >> yes. they're in trouble because -- look at the governor cuomo explaining to the jewish community that if they don't obey him he's going to close the synagogues. look at governor whitmer being slapped down by the michigan supreme court because she's a petty dictator. these are people who love power and if they get enough power, they're going to tell -- you won't be on the air anymore. fox will probably become the equivalent of pbs, and they simply won't tolerate it. these are people, if they get full power, will do everything they can in the first few years to make the entire country like california and to ensure that nobody can ever defeat them for office again. i think it's a very dangerous for voting election. >> tucker: i'm glad you asked that question. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> tucker: well, the coronavirus of course hovers over tonight's debate and will

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♪ >> tucker: we are about 45 minutes away from the vice presidential debate in salt lake city, a big deal for the first time in a long time. one of joe biden's surrogates posted a remarkable video on the internet that you're going to want to know about. rick leventhal has all the details and joins us now. >> hey, tucker. 48 short years ago jane fonda posed for pictures on the north vietnamese antiaircraft guns shoot to -- to shoot down american pilots. at the time the north vietnamese

were blamed for the deaths of 60,000 u.s. troops. fraternizing with the enemy earned her the nickname annoyed jane. and now the 82-year-old actress and activist and forme bernie ss supporter is a surrogate for joe biden using a workout video to try and encourage democrats to cast ballots. if fonda has been critical of donald trump for years, arrested multiple times at protests on capitol hill during his presidency, trying to draw attention to climate change, and now in a video posted online, fonda calls coronavirus gods gift to the left, suggesting it somehow shows the president isn't helping america's working class. >> i just think covid is god's gift to the left. it's a terrible thing to say. i think it was a very difficult thing to send down to us, but it has ripped the band-aid off who he is and what he stands for and

what is being done to average people and working people in this country. >> fonda says this election is peoples chance to harness their anger against the president, calling it an existential crossroads as mike pence apparently is arriving at the debate hall. tucker. >> tucker: rick leventhal joining us live. thanks. she's honest, anyway. and of course she's right. unfortunately. today donald trump was back in the oval office. he contracted the coronavirus as you know on friday. all signs tonight are that he is healthy and recovering in the democratic party's foremost expert on chemical injections has determined that something is still very wrong with donald trump. >> last time i had an interaction with the president was the state of the union address and after that i tore up his speech and all but after that i said i think he was medicated. there is something wrong with how he came on and presented. i said yesterday to my colleagues, i said there are

those who say that steroids has an impact on people's thinking. i don't know, but there are those health care providers who say that. >> tucker: i tore up his speech and all. he's the one with impulse control problems. he's crazy. [laughs] meanwhile, the president has attributed his swift recovery to an antibody treatment from regeneron pharmaceuticals. he got those antibody quickly after he was diagnosed. he says it may have saved his life. >> i wasn't feeling so hot and within a very short period of time they gave me regeneron. it's called regeneron and other things too but i think this was the key but they gave me regeneron. and it was like unbelievable. i felt good immediately. i felt as good three days ago as i do now. so i just want to say we have regeneron, we have a very similar drug from eli lilly and they are coming out and we are trying to get them on an emergency basis.

we've authorized it, i've authorized it. >> tucker: you think all the things the president got upset, he sort of dumb i could have set i recovered quickly because i'm strong, god is on my side. no, he gave credit to a specific medicine, we should take that seriously, so we are. we've asked dr. marc siegel to join us tonight, of course our medical correspondent here at fox, and he's here now. just see you. what you make of this? >> well, tucker, i want to start with one thing, which is during the last debate former vice president biden said that the president wasn't appealing to scientists enough, so i have a message for the former vice president. scientists at the cdc have determined that it takes approximately ten days from the onset of symptoms to where you are no longer infectious and you can go back to being with other people, so, former vice president, the debate is on, right? the debate is on by science. secondly, to speaker pelosi, who is not a physician, i wish she would stop pontificating on the president's health given that not only isn't she a physician

but she hasn't seen his chart. i haven't seen his chart, tucker, so i'm not going to stay with the impact of steroids or anything else is other than what you said. he looks healthy, he's breathing comfortably. he's not short of breath, he doesn't have oxygen and he's going back to work in the oval. that, to physicians is a very positive sign. someone who wants to go back to work. and a former white house official told me that the ventilation system in the air purification system in the oval office is excellent. also i'm sure people will be wearing n95 masks, there will be social distancing, disinfecting. in terms of the regeneron, i want to end on the regeneron. it looks very, very effective in multiple trials, regeneron and they've been testing it and poor people and people in minority communities, so the president says he's going to offer it for free to those communities. hooray, that is so charitable, but he also at the end of his talk tonight appealed to a higher force, tucker, that we all must appeal to, which is god. tucker.

>> tucker: dr. marc siegel, thank you so much for that. we've heard a lot from the media about how you can't criticize kamala harris because she's a woman. if only the majority of americans are. no criticizing her. we've heard almost nothing about what she believes. her record on illegal immigration, her stated positions on the topic. ahead of tonight's debate, we will tell you where she stands on that and a bunch other issues. we will be right back. ♪ ♪

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because last week they did not like the debate in cleveland. they thought it was just too disruptive, not respectful of each other, they felt like they didn't learn anything and i don't think either candidate really came out with any great compliments out of that debate. what i think tonight you're looking for is who can bring the heat while also killing the audience with kindness? and both of these debaters, vice president pence and senator kamala harris are very competent people. they have debated in the past. i think mike pence arguably has a lot more experience than kamala harris. this is the biggest political stage she has ever had. both of them need to show off the authenticity. of something that kamala harris has been accused of not being able to show. when she's on a big stage like this. but she's been on the ground here for several days, getting ready. as if this was like a boxing match, so she is going to definitely try to prosecute the case against the trump administration on coronavirus. i expect she will bring up the death toll no fewer than ten times and she will say it did not have to be this bad.

depends on the other hand has to recap the trump administration in a posthumous handling of covid-19. he has to say that they are on top of it but i also think he absolutely must continue to talk about the economy and to try to draw a contrast to show that kamala harris his way to the left of joe biden and that could be a disaster for the united states. it's the to if he is able to do that i think you will walk away the winter. >> tucker: it's frustrating, it has been frustrating to watch the coverage of the harris-biden ticket in animals none of their policies are ever discussed. do you think the vice president mike pence has it in him to force a discussion, what they set on the record about the issues? >> absolutely. i absolutely do and i think that he has to and he's chomping at the bit in order to do so. you have things, tucker, you're going to talk with them tonight, immigration, energy, health care. in fact, it's not only that there are differences between harris and biden when it comes to the issues, there are differences between harris and harris on the issues.

she is very famously flexible on her positions and he will try to nail her down on that. however, i do think that she will try to say i am running on the biden ticket and she will be a very good partner for joe biden in this, i believe. the other thing, tucker, i'm watching for his tonight's debate is actually the first event in the 2024 presidential election. both of these people are potential candidates when we come to that presidential election four years from now. >> tucker: you are a more our sighted person i am, that hadn't even occurred to me, dana perino, thank you. >> okay, see you later. >> tucker: "the new york times" at one point described, in fact the day that she was chosen -- kamala harris as a "pragmatic moderate. they were able to do that by ignoring pretty much everything she's ever said in public. she only looked radical last year because she was trying to win at democratic primary. but once she's vice president, shall be so moderate that even republicans will want her to take over from joe biden.

that's how they explain what happened last summer when kamala harris and joe biden raised their hands on the debate stage, both in support of providing payer funded health care, people who had no legal right to be here, you get to pay for the medical treatment. no country does that, it's insane. barack obama didn't support it. until very recently, no mainstream democrat supported. there are many americans who are going broke paying for their own health care. now we have to pay for health care for the rest of the world? no, no normal person is for that and when prompted by moderator, kamala harris embraced it without pausing. >> this is a show of hands question told them up for a moment so people can see. raise your hand if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants. [applause] >> okay. >> tucker: so in a normal year, that would be at the very center of our national conversation. that is such a big deal. it is such a boundary-shattering position to take.

we would be talking about it. instead we are not. that's the old, harris, she was just trying to win and election, like when she shut called joe biden a racist, she didn't really meet it. partisans in the media know the only way to maintain that lie is by ignoring what kamala harris has been doing since she dropped out of the president or primaries. so they just didn't report on it. if they've done their job, you would know that in june kamala harris fact legislation that would halt deportation and settle immigration enforcement in this country indefinitely. we are not exaggerating. we are a lot less partisan than other people on tv. that was her plan, flat out. it doesn't take a lot of data to show what would happen and what will happen if that plan is ever enacted. today we learned that in the past three weeks, i says every hundred 125 at large and liminal immigrants in the state of california alone, kamala harris' state. according to federal law enforcement "more than 95% of those aliens have criminal convictions or pending criminal charges for crimes including homicide, sexual assault,

offenses against children, aggravated assault, battery, weapons. if kamala harris had got what she voted for, all of them would be free tonight. democrats claim the coronavirus made this legislation necessary. of course, everything they want is now necessary because of the pandemic. in a press release, democrats argued that deportation "risked spreading coronavirus to neighboring countries." in other words, it's a threat to other countries, so we have to bear the threat, child molesters have to go three so that guatemala doesn't have a higher caseload, for real, that's their position. legislation even stipulates that after a conviction or a charge for a violent crime, it still on enough. in other words, we need to keep violent criminals here because it's too dangerous to other nations to send them home. they are literally saying that. so who are these people? these undocumented immigrants that kamala harris thinks we cannot kick out of the country, we have to live with.

let's be specific. people like roberto, convicted for abusing a child. kamala harris also went to bat -- even though authorities say he abused a child as well. incidentally, that same man evaded deportation in 2018 because he said he had a child with him as part of his family unit. immigration authorities now say that relationship was fraudulent. how creepy is that? but it's not just child abusers kamala harris would like to see remain in the u.s. so that other countries don't have to deal with them. she also tried to retain suspected murderers like convicted human smuggler, kidnapping suspects like pedro antonio basketball. kamala harris was even fighting for jose luis rodriguez baskets. he was suspected of -- there are many more cases like that. by all accounts, dozens of illegal aliens convicted of sexual assault and at least 14 migrants convicted of homicide or murder.

would still be in this country under legislation that kamala harris supported. that's not a small thing. it's not catching someone in a fib or digging up some scary high school yearbook quote or picture. that's a big deal. it presumably illegal immigration will come up in tonight's debate. we hope. what will she say? a former immigration judge, now a resident fellow at the center for immigration studies, we are happy to have them on tonight. thanks so much for coming on. so are we overstating -- even as i'm reading the script, i'm thinking this is almost beyond belief. and be honest, did i overstate any of that? >> no, you didn't. under the legislation that senator harris cosponsored, ice and cbp would be prevented from apprehending, arresting or removing any alien in the united states unless they had clear and convincing evidence, that's more likely than not that that individual poses a danger to an individual or community,

but, here's the bot, the government can't rely solely on the criminal eviction itself as proof that the individual poses a danger. in the last week, cbp apprehended five individuals who had very serious crimes, three of them had child sex crimes, one of them conviction for cruelty to a child and aggravated assault and the other got 25 years for murder. each one of those individuals would have been allowed into the united states. in fact every alien who entered the united states and made it onto dry land would be able to remain in the united states and couldn't be apprehended by border patrol unless border patrol already knew they posed a danger. the problem is, border patrol doesn't know who's entering illegally until after they actually apprehend those people, so the bill itself is utterly ridiculous, for what it's worth, it's inconsistent because it allows border patrol to parole those individuals in united states after they are

apprehended, but it prevents them from ever apprehending them to begin with. so it's -- you know i'm a it's serious significant legislation. i can't believe that anybody cosponsored it. i think it has five cosponsors and senator harris is one of them. >> tucker: i just got to ask about the motive. if you cared about yourself and your children, if you really cared about the country, you'd be horrified by this. why would anybody support something like this? >> you know generally, members of congress support bills like this because they protect the immigrant community from the dangerous -- but the problem is most alien criminals prey upon immigrant communities. we can talk about how many ms-13 killings we've seen in which the victim has been an alien and the actors have been alien. we see it all over the national capital area. >> tucker: it's are markable. thanks so much for joining us tonight, i appreciate it. >> think of her having me. >> tucker: so kamala harris has supported keeping violent

alien felons in this country. what would happen if it ever became -- and it might. democrats could take total control of everything and like a month. if you need to defend yourself, of course. kamala harris is also dead set on preventing you from defending yourself. that's why she's advocating for don don mcgahn confiscation. >> do believe in the mandatory buyback of quote unquote assault weapons? >> i do believe we do need to do buybacks and i will tell you why. their weapons of war. they have no place on the streets of civil society. i will give the united states congress 100 days to get their act together and have the courage to pass reasonable gun safety laws and if they fail to do it, and i will take executive action. >> tucker: what's an assault weapon exactly? no one can define it so let's put a very fine point on it. it's the gun in your closet. it's what you use to shoot targets or dear. it's the gun that rural america buys more than any other.

this will do nothing to lower the murder rate. it will do everything to disarm people who don't vote for joe biden. let's get specific. if you have a handgun with 15 round magazine, the most popular handgun in america, it comes stocked, it's called a glock. kamala harris will force you to register it with the government. if you don't, you're committing a felony. you'll need to pay 200 bucks to do that for every magazine. she wants to totally ban the online sales of guns, ammunition and gun parts. most ammo in this country is sold over the internet. by the way, to law-enforcement as well. the list goes on and on and on. where's the nra? where republicans? who's going to stop the harris-biden administration from doing this by executive order? [indiscernible] has thought a lot about this, second amendment activist joins us tonight. thanks so much for coming on. i mean, this is received almost no attention but edit time when the crime rate is spiking an

introductory seems, you know, like it's getting steeper, this will mean the people who don't commit crimes who are law-abiding, many of them veterans, won't be able to defend themselves. why is nobody talking about this? >> that's because kamala is a master of euphemisms. she really doesn't stand for much of anything, which actually makes her more dangerous than some but he was, because she is willing do any and everything to maintain power. but what she likes to do is say little soft words like "buyback programs," or say things like " -- euphemistic words, especially buying guns online for instance. she likes to talk about it in such a way where it seems like i can just order a gun on line the way i can order toilet paper on amazon and it will just show up at my door. and she uses the ignorance of the masses to push this agenda, but she does it very softly, because again, she doesn't really stand for anything, so what ends up happening is it kind of flies under the radar and nobody really notices it and

then of course the media doesn't pick up it on talk about it either. she just gets on by a nobody alter the fire. >> tucker: watches dance for is doing the bidding of the billionaire class. mike bloomberg has decided that he can have bodyguards and you can't. you can't defend yourself. why does no one point out that one guy, a billionaire, is nullifying the second amendment to the bill of rights? >> the question has been baffling me for a couple years now, because he's pretty blatant about it. he's even said it with his own mouth, how he buys politicians to do his bidding. he said it during the last debates when he was running for president. but for some reason we all just seemingly tend to ignore it. and he's actually put more money behind pushing to undermine the second amendment and all of the gun groups collectively combined. so that's to tell people everything they know about what his intentions are, but for some reason we just kind of let him do it. >> tucker: a country ruled by an oligarchy doesn't care about the population. this is what we are getting.

wait to see her tonight, thank you. >> absolutely, thanks for having me. >> tucker: 21 minutes left until the start of probably the most important vp debate ever, joe biden, kamala harris have not ruled out packing the supreme court, that's how mad they are about the nomination of amy coney barrett. in fact, in the last debate, joe biden argued it's not important for you to know whether or not he would destroy an entire branch of government, so settle down. >> are you willing to tell the american people tonight whether or not you will support either ending the filibuster or packing the court -- >> whatever position i take on that, that will become the issue. the issue was the american people should speak. you should go out and vote. you're in voting now. it vote and let your senators know how strong you feel. let -- vote now. make sure you in fact let people know, your senators. i'm not going to answer the question because the question is -- the question is -- the question -- will you shut up, man? >> tucker: shut up, man.

just vote. you don't need details, just vote. go on instagram. everything you need is on that. with that in mind, what can we expect at the debate tonight? [indiscernible] is an opinion host with the hill, always happy to have him on, thanks so much for coming on. so this is yet another one of these issues that we pay too little attention to as we debate whether you need to wear a mask when you're alone in the woods, but packing supreme court, making the one sort of 9-political branch of government explicitly political is a big change. like revolution-style change. >> it is absolutely imperative that mike pence get kamala harris on the record tonight about this issue. this is a straight up media conspiracy at this point, because joe biden said i don't want to tell you what my answer is on that. then his vice presidential nominee kamala harris effect about that if she goes well, i don't want to clarify that at this time. we just want to move on and talk about the things that really matter. as you just said, i mean,

packing the supreme court is one of the most -- and could be one of the most important issues of our time. remember, president obama said to nuke the filibuster in the senate. joe biden has said that he's open to it. so if they take the filibuster away, if they pack the supreme court away, the ability for a minority to express and have any power in this country whatsoever could literally be extinguished within the next demonstration. that is not an exaggeration. they are not going to clarify this. and remember she said, march 2019 that she was "open to packing the court." does she still hold that position? does the biden-harris ticket hold that position? >> tucker: things seem like they're moving very, very fast and i know a lot of trump supporter's don't believe the polls, and i think it's fair, clearly they are undercounting republicans in some places. but if you look at the polls today, and you look at the movement in the polls in the last week, we could be moving towards one-party rule at very high speed. do you think people understand

that, the consequences of that? >> people do not understand the consequent as of that whatsoever, tucker, and just because the last time we had one-party rule, some people within the party wanted to undermine some of the things that were promised in 2016, does not mean the democrats are like that whatsoever. they have no compunction in passing some of the things that we've been discussing here tonight. that immigration legislation that you passed, gang of eight -- gang of eight will look like a sweetheart deal compared to some of the things that are going to go through a unified democratic government if that's what we are going to see in november. the stakes really could not be higher here. >> tucker: it's such a smart point. they don't have a lot of jim jeffers and met ronnies in the party to kind of take a middle ground. they are all in, they are team players. they will move fast for real. >> this cannot be overstated. people want you -- they want you to think the mainstream of the democratic party as joe manchin or kyrsten sinema, but look, you think joe manchin or

kyrsten sinema or sunday like mitt romney are actually going to stand up to the mainstream of their party? no way in hell, tucker. >> tucker: very insightful, thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: as we said, the coronavirus will of course play a role in tonight's debate. is that buyer was still a major threat to this country? [indiscernible] is a physician from los angeles, he joins us tonight to assess. thank you so much for coming on. why do you think we stand right now with the coronavirus in the united states? >> good evening, tucker. well, there's no question we are in a different place now this fall than we were last spring. the coronavirus is still a dangerous and deadly virus, but we are in a far different place. epidemiologists here and around the world are starting to call for a risk-based approach moving forward and we are in a much better position to assess what that risk is now than we were then. in the spring we were operating under a cloud of uncertainty and

under the cloud of the unknown. and people were afraid to make a mistake. they were afraid to do something that would be wrong and with potentially horrible consequences. we learned a lot since then. we learned a lot about how to identify who the vulnerable population is and who the relatively safe population is. you know, the student age kids have over 99.99% of surviving an infection. the average age teacher, the average age working person has over 99.9% chance of surviving an infection. but in those small fractions, the .5% of people over the age of 70 that would succumb to the virus, in those fractions lie our neighbors, our fathers, our mothers, our grandparents, so we need to invest in identifying the vulnerable, who will succumb to this, and protect them. we've also learned a lot about testing. we are in the midst of the

playoffs in baseball in the midst of a football season. the protocols for surveillance and testing is very robust. some say, well, there's been an infection, isn't working. on the contrary, it's working just perfectly because we never thought that we would have no positive results, but we always wanted to be able to identify them quickly, isolate them and stop the virus from spreading and we've learned how to use those tests. those tasks can tell us more than just a positive or negative, tucker. it can tell us a more qualitative results. it can tell you who actually have live virus to -- depending on the sensitivity of the test, you can tell is there live virus in this positive test or not, so used properly it could be very useful. we must -- go ahead. >> tucker: i just think you make a very smart point. the measure is not the infection rate, it's the outcome of those

infections, and that seems to give us hope. doctor, i appreciate that update on how we are doing. good to see you tonight. >> thank you, tucker, good to see you. >> tucker: well, we are about to watch the vice presidential debate, that's what we are calling it. kamala harris suggested it might actually be a presidential debate. >> harris administration together with joe biden as the president of the united states, the biden harris administration. speeone's who exactly is running for president? we are confused. mark steyn is never confused, which is why we are grateful to have them as we are tonight. who's running for president? >> i think that's a very telling quotation, tucker. senator harris seems to be contemplating a situation in which joe biden might still be around as a ceremonial figurehead, he will get to host the banquets when angela merkel or [indiscernible] flies in, but he will be the equivalent of a

constitutional monarch and i think senator harris sees herself as being more of a prime minister. shelby setting most of the actual policies and running the ship. i think that somewhere deep down i think that's how she sees it. >> tucker: so does that mean that president biden would affect the royal way for the hand rotates like that? >> [laughs] yes. that's actually trickier than it is. >> tucker: i couldn't pull it off as a commoner. >> they need to spend a lot of time in his basement. i mean, to be serious for a moment here, tucker, nobody knows who kamala harris is and -- actually that was -- we are going to make you governor general of the solomon islands. i just got a telegram from buckingham palace. nobody knows who kamala harris is. mike pence actually has to make that clear to the american people. has to get her to show who she

is and she certainly has to force the game in his issues lie court packing and whether they're going to create two more states and puerto rico and the district of columbia, because as you said, things are moving very fast. we were talking about guns a minute ago. the first amendment has been trashed in his last six months. we have accepted as an apparently permanent state of emergency that churches can't hold church services. trump is the new hitler, but andrew cuomo is the guy who threatens to shut down the synagogues. so if you look at what they've done to the first amendment over the last six months, the idea that they won't use the permanent emergency to take away your guns and all kinds of other things, things are moving fast. this is an important debate. she sees herself as the president presented, the president in waiting and so the american people are entitled to know who she is. >> tucker: i couldn't agree more and as long as we are adding d.c. and puerto rico, why

not haiti answer and i'm? you know? >> absolutely. there were specific [indiscernible] that you might his wa might as well make mista. if that's what it takes to provide the permanent democrat majority. they are serious about this because they don't want trump to happen again and the way for trump not to happen again is to change the rules. >> tucker: i don't know what we can do about it at this point but i do think, and i do want our viewers to at least think through what might happen to be prepared. mark steyn, great to see you, thank you. >> thanks a lot, tucker. >> tucker: we are just 10 minutes out from other bait right here on fox, we will head over to bret baier and martha maccallum for some scene setting. >> thanks, tucker. good evening, everybody. welcome to salt lake city, where we are just minutes away from the start of the first and only 2020 vice presidential debate, i'm bret baier. >> it's a big night. i am martha maccallum come alive inside the kingsbury hall

at the university of utah, where tonight's debate stage is a stark reminder really of the times we're living in. the candidates will sit in those chairs tonight, 12 feet of space, and two layers of plexiglass separating them and they won't shake hands in front of this small, masked audience. >> we have been told by the commission up residential debates that when we are talking to you, we can do so without a mask, and we are -- we are not addressing the camera we put our masks on, as we have, coming in here. >> and of course we have both been tested multiple times by fox and also by the cpd as part of this whole process and that goes for our crew here as well. >> the president's covid diagnosis will likely loom large over debate which vice present mike pence, the head of the coronavirus task force, will defend the advanced ration's response to the pandemic. >> senator kamala harris will make the case that she is ready to be commander in chief at a time when even the leader of the free world is vulnerable to a health crisis. >> we are hearing from the