>> i haven't been invited yes. featuring smoke on apple podcast. got. todd: got them all. jillian: thank you appreciate. >> it thank you. jillian: fox and friends will have more post debate coverage live starting now. have a good day. see you tomorrow. >> joe biden says democracy is on the ballot. make no mistake about it the american economy, the american come back is on the ballot. >> the american people have witnessed what is the greatest failure of any presidential administration in the history of our country. >> citizens are voting right now. they would like to know if you and joe biden are going to pack the supreme court if you gongt get your way are in this nomination. >> let's talk about packing. >> it's a nonanswer. >> if the trump administration approves a vaccine should americans take it? >> if donald trump tells us i should take it i'm not taking it? >> the fact that you would undermine public confidence in a screen is unconscionable. >> joe biden will not be ending

fracking. >> you are entitled to your own opinion not your own facts. >> your party has been trying to overturbulent results of the last election. ♪ ♪ ♪ everybody wants to rule the world. ♪ brian: we gave it away. 26 days until election day. one week until the next president debate, fingers crossed that the president is healthy enough to do it. we will have it come off. last night was great. both candidates came with their a game. you not only saw the difference between tickets. you saw the difference between kamala harris and joe biden. and i think that that's the one goal that mike pence must have set out. and i think he accomplished it, steve. steve: you know one of the things mike pence had to do two things. he had to defend the administration. but he also, at the same time,

made it very clear how far to the lift this particular ticket of joe biden and kamala harris is and talked about how if they were elected they would raise taxes $4 trillion and the increases would hit hardworking middle class people through business and corporate taxes and things like that. the 2 trillion-dollar green new deal. eliminate fossil fuels that would cost jobs or raise energy prices and how mr. biden did oppose the usama bin laden raid. i will tell you what, i'm reading this morning online on a lot of papers there was a clear winner. and that was the fly that landed on mr. pence's head and sat there for two minutes and 9 seconds, ainsley. so during today's telecast. ainsley or brian, i know we are socially distanced. do me a favor. as we look at that fly that now has its own twitter accounts with several different handles.

if a fly lands on my head. just come on over and go. >> you need this. that contains the answers to the toughest questions you ever faced. ainsley: fly is going to have a social media page tomorrow morning. give that fly a mail-in beloit. stayed there two minutes. distract him he didn't know it was there fly landed on his lip. steve: nobody was listens because they were looking at the fly which i think now has a netflix special. ainsley: hillary clinton had a fly. bloomberg had a fly and now pence has had a fly. get the flies out of the room. steve: get the swat team. brian: while we were focusing on the debate griff jenkins in long hand was doing the whole verbatim. writing out everything. pulling out the clips that he thought would make our show better and audience smarter. griff, that's what you were tasked with. did you decide to do it? >> not i said the fly. [laughter] good morning, brian ainsley and steve. it was more civil this time in

kingsbury hall behind me. plexiglass didn't stop the candidates from throwing punches and senator harris threw one of her expected but hardest punches over the coronavirus. >> when i look at their plan that talks about advancing testing, creating new ppe, developing a vaccine, it looks a little bit like plagiarism, which is something joe biden knows a little bit about. >> the personal people have witnessed what is the greatest failure of any presidential administration in the history of our country. we have to get ahold of what has been going on and we need to save our country. and joe biden is the best leader to do that and frankly this administration has forfeited their right to to re-election. griff: vice president pence went on the offensive drawing harris out over her record. watch. >> you did nothing on criminal justice reform in california. you didn't lift a finger to pass the first step act on capitol

hill. i mean, the reality is your record. >> moderator: thank you vice president pence. harris: he attacked my record i would like an opportunity to respond. i will not be lectured by the vice president on our record of what we have done in terms of law enforcement and keeping our community safe. griff: the candidates also trading barbs over the economy taxes and foreign policy and the supreme court nominee amy coney barrett. >> our hope is in the hearing next week unlike justice kavanaugh received with treatment from you and others we hope she gets a fair hearing. and we particularly hope that we don't see the kind 6 attacks on her on her christian faith. harris: joe biden and i are both people of faith and it's insulting to suggest that we would knock anyone for their faith. griff: in the end they spoke for almost the same amount of time. harris under 34 minutes. pension just over 35. and the fly clocking two minutes

on pence's head as you mentioned. thought question is will last night move the needle for either candidate. fox news latest poll puts biden up 53-43. we will see the candidates on the campaign trail, you will have pence and harris and even joe biden in arizona later today, brian, ainsley, steve? steve: all right, griff, thank you very much for the live report from utah. you know, for the most part, they did answer more questions than we saw in the debate last week. but there were -- there was one particular question about the supreme court but it was the way it was phrased it was more about abortion but then mike pension screen right turned it around to ask kamala harris if she would pack the court. he asked a couple of different times. she made it very clear she would not answer that because their answers so far from the democratic ticket has been ambiguous. but, she went on the attack regarding how this administration has responded to

the coronavirus pandemic and, in particular, she took aim at a vaccine. listen to this. >> if the public health professionals, if dr. fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, i will be the first in line to take it. absolutely. but if donald trump tells us that we should take it, i'm not taking it. >> the fact that you continue to undermine public confidence in a vaccine, if a vaccine emerges during the trump administration i think is unconscionable. stop playing politics with people's lives. the reality is that we will have a vaccine we believe before the end of this year. and it will have the capacity to save countless american lives and your continuous undermining of confidence in a vaccine is just unacceptable. steve: i also saw one of the fact checkers in one of the major papers in morning at one point kamala harris said regarding coronavirus the president said it was a hoax and

the paper deemed that taken out of context. in fullback the president said this is their new hoax, where he was talking about the democrats talking points in the media's coverage did not, ainsley, say that the virus was a hoax. ainsley: when she said i'm not taking the vaccine if the president tells us. of the president would not tell you to take a vaccine that's not approved yet. scientists are going to approve that and let the president know and he is listening to them. he is trying to look at all the different factors when it comes to covid. but, for her to say that i just thought it was just a dig. it was just a little mean-spirited. she seemed very smug. she does have -- she has a historical career. she is, you know, the first woman of color to be the attorney general of california, only the second black woman to be elected to the senate. and what i liked about pence last night is that he thanked her for her concerns, her sympathy for the president when he got covid. he congratulated her on her historic career. and he even -- the first

question was given to kamala harris and she answered it. and then the second question was given to mike pence. and before he answered it, he said kamala i just want you to know that i feel honored to share the stage with you tonight. he seemed very calm. and he just seemed very experienced. and he went after her record. her record is very extreme. very radical. and he questioned her about a lot of that including packing the court. and i liked he said so let the record reflect she never answered the question. brian: right. let's talk about something that is going to produce votes. also with a vaccine that was an opportunity, too as much as i thought that she wanted to say i'm not going to believe anything donald trump says as if he is going to work the alcohol swab and actually put it into her deltoid. that's not going to happen. but it was an opportunity for mike pension to say how irresponsible a statement that is by the way think the fda approves vaccine. i will have to look it up on google or encyclopedia britannica.

mike's pence know ohio, dakotas and pennsylvania will decide this election, perhaps. and a lot has to do with fracking. the problem is joe biden says i'm not going to ban fracking. the other probable is everybody else in his party wants to ban fracking, including his running mate. so listen to this exchange. >> joe biden will not end fracking. he has been very clear about that. >> senator harris, you are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts. you yourself said on multiple occasions when you were running for president that you would ban fracking. joe biden looked a supporter in the eye and pointed and said i guarantee, i guarantee that we will abolish fossil fuels. >> i will repeat and the american people know, that joe biden will not ban fracking. that is a fact. brian: bewareful with the climate fracking natural gas. know why our co 2 is down output because of fracking and innovation. in case you think mike pence was

grabbing things out of the sky and pinning them to harris and biden take a look back to what they said in the past. >> states stopping fracking and stopping the pipeline. >> yes, new pipeline, exactly. >> no more, no new fracking. >> would there be any place for fossil fuels including coal and fracking in a biden administration? >> no. we would work it out. we would make sure it's eliminated and no more subsidies for either one of those. >> kiddo, i want you to just take a look, knock you don't have to agree. but i want you to look in my eyes. i guarantee you, i guarantee you we're going to end fossil fuel. >> there is no question i'm in favor of banning fracking, yes. brian. ainsley: i guarantee you. >> the other thing of great import to other people looking in particularly on the republican side is the

nomination of amy coney barrett. you know, the democrats are saying wait until after the election and then that president could select somebody. nonetheless, a question was posed regarding abortion and the supreme court. but then mike pence said, essentially why didn't the moderator ask about court packing so he did? watch. >> you have refused to answer the question. joe biden has refused to answer the question. so i think the american people would really like to know if judge amy coney barrett is confirmed to the supreme court of the united states, are you and joe biden, if somehow you win this election, going to pack the supreme court to get your way? i would like you to answer the question. >> mr. vice president, i'm speaking, i'm speaking, okay? the american people are voting right now and it should be their decision. do you know of the 50 people who president trump appointed to the court of appeals for lifetime

appointments, not one is black? steve: so why did she not -- it was a simple yes or no question. but there was no answer, ainsley. ainsley: here's the thing, if you pack the court, if democrats pack the court and they make it so that everything weighs in their favor, then what happens when there is a republican president? then does that president. steve: pack some more. ainsley: then the court gets bigger and bigger and bigger. brian: means less and less and less. ainsley: what about the filibuster? what's this all mean? it's not just a phrase we are going to pack the court or not answering the question kind of makes everyone wonder or assume that they would. so it's not just a phrase. i mean, this is serious. this is very consequential to our country and many people go to the polls because of the supreme court issue. when they talked about life, he said i am proud to be pro-life and she said i will always support a woman's right to choose. brian: also, when it comes to packing the court. in case you are wondering why kamala harris didn't answer she

never answers. why joe biden didn't answer, he never answers. listen. >> are you willing to tell the personal people tonight whether or not you will support either ending the filibuster or packing the court. >> whatever position i take on that, that will become the issue. the issue is the american people should speak. you should go out and vote you are in voting now vote and let your senators know how you feel. >> are you going to pack the court. >> vote now. make sure you let people know. >> he doesn't want to answer the question. >> i'm not going to answer the question. >> why wouldn't you answer the question. >> the question is. >> radical left. >> you shut up. brian: actually really important. people are saying joe biden is moderate and he had a lot of republican friends. joe biden's administration will pack the court, get rid of the filibuster, add states, possibly even add congressional districts to the house of representatives. the democrats possibly could be

a permanent majority. this is not going to be a little move to the left or a little move to the right. this is going to be possibly a permanent move to the left. that is why he won't answer the question. he has answered the question by not answering it. he will pack the court. if that's okay with you, you know the ticket. steve: so what did you think about last night if you watched it? email us fo foxandfriends.com. was it kamala harris or mike pence? you cannot answer the fly even though the fly now has its own twitter handle and joe biden started fund raising off of it last night with a fly swatter. 6:15 now on thursday morning and jillian joins us here in studio f. jillian: hundreds of protesters marching in minneapolis hours after the former officer charged in george floyd's murder was released from jail. the governor activating the national guard to help keep the peace. several protesters were

arrested. derek chauvin posting $1 million bail after more than three months in prison. he is due back in court in march. to extreme weather now, the gulf coast preparing for impact as hurricane delta regains strength in the gulf of mexico. it is now a category 2. warnings are in effect from texas to mississippi. the national hurricane center is predicting life-threatening storm surge it. is expected to make landfall tomorrow. delta slammed mexico's yucatan peninsula, knocking out power for hundreds of thousands of people. janice has been busy tracking that back to you guys. steve: big storm coming your way. ainsley: vice president pence warning voters against a biden economy. >> you just heard senator harris tell you on day one joe biden is requesting to raise your taxes. ainsley: so what did america think? lee carter has the dials coming up next ♪ ♪

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brian: p nt pence and senator kamala harris making their case to america. that's our country in their first and only debate. what do the voters voters thinke night's top moments here with the dials president and partner lee carter. the tone was better in the vice presidential debate. >> much better. a third of the american people that we talked to nobody won. last night [inaudible] brian: lee, as we try to straighten out your audio, there let's look at the first clip that you told to us look at because it's about packing the court. it's the question we keep asking and the answer we don't get.

listen. >> let's talk about packing the court then, let's talk about. >> please. >> i'm about to. and do you know of the 50 people who president trump appointed to the court of appeals for lifetime appointments, not one is black? this is what they have been doing. you want to talk about packing a court. let's have that discussion. brian: all right. there we go. that's an interesting answer to a question that wasn't asked. >> can you see there gave it an a. pind independents a c and democrats a b. independents and republicans were quick to point out she did not answer that question that was a real problem. they felt pivot on her part a political answer they weren't satisfied with her answer. meanwhile democrats felt that that was the perfect answer and that she -- very interesting different reaction. brian: prior to the pandemic

cutting of regulations and taxes which also include small businesses that deli down the street and goldman sachs, the country's economy by almost all standards was going well. joe biden has a plan to make it go better by raising your taxes? that was the question. will joe biden raise your taxes mike pence the floor is yours. >> with the rising wages that occurred most predominantly for blue collar hardworking americans, the average household income for a family of four increased by $4,000 following president trump's tax cuts. but america you just heard senator harris tell you on day one joe biden is going to raise your taxes. brian: all right. the grades? >> so you can see the republicans gave this an a. independents a b, and democrats a d. very different reaction. republicans feel like listen, the tax code, the tax cut really really important. independents said i'm thought so sure. is this going to impact me cuts taxes 400,000 odds more? democrats said you know what?

i never got the benefit in the first place. they don't believe the tax cuts helped them. brian: very interesting. all right. the other clip that you wanted to bring us to is kamala harris talking about what could be in front of the supreme court and that is obamacare. and the main factor in it pre-existing conditions. will the trump team keep it? will the biden -- will obamacare keep it? listen. >> donald trump is in court right now trying to get rid of. >> thank you, senator. >> get rid of the affordable care act which means you will loose if you have pre-existing condition. if you have a pre-existing condition heart disease, diabetes, cancer they are coming for you. if you love somebody who has a pre-existing condition. >> thank you, senator harris. >> if you are under 26 on your parent's coverage, they're coming for you. brian: hurt. what did you like about what -- who like you had what about that? >> >> the democrats loved it.

[broken audio] they gave it an a. republicans did not. republicans f. independents d: i'm tired of the fear mongering. what i want to hear is what are you going to do for me, kamala harris. what roux going to do joe biden? we are very frustrated at the lack of concrete details coming. brian: lee, the problem for republicans obamacare not popular but better than nothing. republicans have not come out with any plan. and that's where they are vulnerable and that's where the supreme court comes front and center because obamacare is going to be on the docket in november. thanks so much, lee. appreciate it. great analysis. thank your people. >> great to see you. brian: working those dials. i appreciate it. vice president pence calling out medi.>> you selectively added jt

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conveniently omitted after the president made comments about people on either side over the debate on monuments he condemned the kkk neo nazis and white supremacists and has done so repeatedly. steve: you have the vice president suggesting media bias at last night's debate accusing the press and the moderator of selectively editing president trump's comments. let's bring in panel to act indianapolis based radio talk show host tony katz right there next to me. you have got media reporter for the hill joe concha right there and senior policy analyst at the independent women's forum sellly bollard. good morning to all of you. >> good morning. steve: tony, let's start with you was the moderator selectively editing things to go against mike pence? >> well, some people will tell you that the moderator was selectively editing mike pence by telling him thank you,

mr. vice president. thank you, mr. vice president. and stopping him from finishing a sentence. but really it comes from kamala harris utilizing the charlottesville lie once again. president trump did not say there are very fine people on both sides. part of the larger conversation where he condemned white supremacists and these neo nazis totally it. is a nonsense line that donald trump is an anti-semite it. is untrue. i'm jewish. i speak for all the jews. it's nonsense. stop it. be ashamed of you for pushing this kind of garbage. it was that kind of talk where she didn't have to -- kamala harris had opportunities for great points and she decided to throw in lies. she decided to throw in russia. she kind of ruined her own messaging with people who may have been paying attention just that little bit to her. steve: so, kelsie, do you agree that kamala harris was selectively adding things that donald trump and mike pence have said to make a point and the american public is listening, they probably don't know.

>> absolutely. and look susan page did an excellent job last night but these debates would be far more effective if debate moderators came prepared with paper trails of facts about the statements that the candidates have said arresting certain issues that they are choosing to ask about. there are paper trails of president trump condemning white supremacy. condemning racism. of course there are not those paper trails for the would be biden administration condemning anarchy that has been playing out on the streets all summer. but there is no reason these debate monitors can't have a paper trail when they are centralling these individuals on these issues. the american people can look them up. it's very clear. kamala harris was misleading on issues like fracking. she refused to answer whether or not they would pack the supreme

court and paper trails would make these debates far more honest and effective. steve: all right, joe concha? >> survey monkey and axios, steve, and this is one -- a poll i cite often because it's so telling found that 92% of republicans say that traditional news outlets knowingly report false or misleading stories at least sometimes. okay yes of course the right going to complain about the media. well, 79% of independents and even a majority of democrats agree with that sentiment. i also heard last night by the way, steve, that mike pence interrupted so much we had the final tally in terms of speaking time mike pence 35 minutes 22 seconds. kamala harris 38 minutes, 48 seconds. so she nearly got four more minutes of speaking time. to say kelsey's point nothing questions about packing the court no. questions on antifa. no question on abolishing the filibuster. no questions on raises money for bail fund that helped free domestic abusers including one man accused of sexually

assaulting an 8-year-old. the bias of omission was on full display last night in terms of the questions in terms of the framing and it even got to the point, steve, that chinese state media sensorred mike pence, took him off the screen during one segment of the debate when kamala harris started speaking again he came back on. only it doesn't happen here it happens in china as well. steve: there you go. this is a lightning round everybody gets about 15 or 20 seconds. tony katz, does last night's debate move the needle one way or the another. >> no. it doesn't. but it gives the pence and trump people a lot of ammunition to show here is where kamala harris continues to lie and continues to obfuscate. that is certainly helpful when you are making campaign ads. steve: all right, kelsey. >> not necessarily but i hope it will calm the american people down, shoat american people the distinct contrast between the policies of the trump administration and what would happen under the biden

administration. mike pence was extremely effective in contrasting those policies and that's what we need to hear more about as we move closer to have the election. steve: and finally joseph? >> if joe biden only serves one term this becomes a very important vice presidential debate let me end it with this frank luntz focus group found that kamala harris was, quote, eavailable, nervous, shifting blame, caring snarky, too rehearsed, nervous evasive, unsteady, rigid and unpresidential. kamala harris by almost all counts did not win this debate or at least it was a push. mike pension got the trump team back on track. it's up to the put to carry it forward next week, steve. steve: great analysis by all kelsey and tony and joe, thank you very much. >> see ya. steve: defend the peaceful protests during the debate did you see.

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>> i was a part of those peaceful protests. and i believe strongly that, first of all, we are never gonna can a don't violence but we always must fight for the values that we hold dear, including the fight to achieve our ideals. >> but there is also no excuse for the rioting and looting. flora westbrook is with us tonight here in salt lake city. just a few weeks ago i stood at what used to be her salon was burned to the ground by rioters and looters. and flora is still trying to put her life back together. ainsley: let's bring in rob

smith always a soldier and host you have podcast. i know you watched last night what was your take on what you just heard about the protest and the riots? >> well, my first take away from kamala harris seeing as how this was the only the second time taken questions from the press, i thought she would be a little bit better. as far as the riots and the looting, you guys know that earlier this summer i saturday add go fund me to help rebuild the small businesses in minneapolis thanks to the generosity of your viewers raised over -- about $125,000. 105,000 of that money went to something called the lake street council in minneapolis to help rebuild. but you have to have actually been on the ground to see how effective these communities were. i mean, i'm talking bombed out buildings, people that lived in minneapolis that told me they don't have anywhere else to go on their main strip. when kamala harris sort of smirks a little bit and say they

condemn the violence but that people still need to be fighting. she expects people to forget that she was encouraging people to quote, unquote, stay out on the streets back when the riots and looting and all of this stuff was still going on. and it's very disingenuous because if this is about protesting or black lives, whatever, there are so many black businesses that were destroyed during all of these looting -- all of this looting and all of these protests. there were so many black lives that were lost during all of this looting, all of this protest, all of this violence. and her, kamala harris and joe biden did not even come out to condemn this in any way until the polling indicated that they had to come out and say something. so, again, you had a guest earlier that says that the polling says that kamala harris is evasive. that kamala harris is dishonest, that kamala harris is shifty. this is what people are talking about because this is not -- this is very disingenuous reaction to what's going on. brian: right, rob. there was so much stuff going on law and order left on the table.

mike pence hit a lot of marks but did he not bring that up she helped fund-oid raise money to get those rioters out of jail. did not bring up that she was in favor of taking millions out of the lapd police budget. and the fact is in minneapolis and san francisco, in chicago, in new york, they all cut their police budgets and homicides and crime overall going through the roof. she also made promises last night. promises for free college. >> folks who wants to go to a two-year community college it will be free. if you come from a family that makes less than $125,000, you will go it a public university for free. and across the board we'll make sure that if you have student loan debt it's cut by $10,000. brian: we are not going to raise taxes but it will be free. >> no such thing as a free lunch, first of all. >> thing is when people on the

left are talking about free, free, free, free, free. that means tax dollars are going to come up. she sat there on the stage and said over and over and over again that shield not raise taxes. we obviously know this is an untruth. i believe that somebody who has dealt with student loan debt myself that i took on and made the decision to take on, student loan debt is not the american tax pairs' responsibility. i just have to say that. steve: rob, on this thursday morning, what's your main take away what you saw over 90 minutes where they're separated by each other via plexiglass. >> yeah, the main take away and we didn't really talk about coronavirus all thatch, but i think that vice president mike pence really cornered kamala harris on coronavirus twice when he said that the quote unquote plan that biden and harris have on their site is nearly identical to what the trump administration is doing right now and to talk about the idea that when kamala harris says that if donald trump says that there is a corona vaccine i'm not taking it, that is such a

dangerous idea to engender this sort of distrust for a coronavirus vaccine just because it comes from this administration. i think that mike pension cornered her very well on both of those points. so that is my main take away. ainsley: rob, thanks for joining us. >> thanks so much. have a good one. ainsley: you too. janice is tracking that hurricane delta. january police? >> yeah. -- janice? >> this time tomorrow the storm will be lashing the coast. not a good situation for louisiana. we are expecting a landfall tomorrow afternoon, tomorrow evening. there's the latest track. we get new information in the next hour or. so 100 mile-per-hour sustained winds it is expected to strengthen to a major hurricane before making landfall tomorrow afternoon. unfortunately it's hitting almost the exact same region as hurricane laura did six weeks ago. so, this is an already vulnerable coast line and we are expecting another hurricane yum wards of a foot of rainfall

possible. 7 to 11 storm -- 7 to 11 storm surge moving in to the region and, again, this is a vulnerable coast line there is the track you see in white this storm, delta. there is laura just six weeks ago. and then we also had cristobal and marco move into this area. so unfortunately already an area that has been hit hard by storm after storm and this one is going to impact the region tomorrow as perhaps a major hurricane. prayers out to these poor folks that need to, in some cases, evacuate again for a second time as the storm moves inland back to you steve, ainsley and brian. brian: we will track it. meanwhile senator harris says she won't take a vaccine recommended by president trump. >> if the doctors tell us that we should take it, i will be the first in line to take it. absolutely. but if donald trump tells us that we should take it, i'm not

taking it. brian: he is in charge of all vaccines. our next guest has been treating covid-19 patients for months and calls those comments unforgivable. on- game-day migraine medicine. it's ubrelvy. for anytime, anywhere migraine strikes without worrying if it's too late, or where i am. one dose of ubrelvy works fast. it can quickly stop my migraine in its tracks within two hours, relieving pain and debilitating symptoms. do not take with strong cyp3a4 inhibitors. most common side effects were nausea and tiredness. migraine hits hard. hit back with ubrelvy. the anytime, anywhere migraine medicine.

>> good morning we are back with headlines now and shocking video showing the moment a man gets ahold of an officer's gun inside a police station. [shouting] >> hey. >> got my g.o.p. gun. >> what? [got my gun. wow, the lapd releasing body cam video from the attack last month. jose guzman pistol whipped officer freidman before taking his gun. guzman tried shooting him but the safety was still on. he then runs and shoots at another officer but no one was hit. guzman is charged with attempted murder. the man charged with kidnapping a 9-year-old girl walking home from school is being held without bail. rhode island police say louise romero is the man seen in surveillance video. you will see forcing a girl in car. officers were able to track him down from a burger king receipt. police say he took the girl there after sexually assaulting her and let her go. romero could face more than 30

years in prison if convicted. anxiously? ainsley: oh my gosh. that's so disturbing. she is 9? glad she is okay though. all right. well, senator kamala harris and vice president pence butting heads over a potential covid vaccine at last night's debate. watch this. >> if the public health professionals, if dr. fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, i will be the first in line to take it. absolutely. if donald trump tells us that we should take it, i'm not taking it. >> senator, i just ask you, stop playing politics with people's lives. the reality is that we will have a vaccine, we believe, before the end of this year. and it will have the capacity to save countless american lives. ainsley: here to react is dr. ca quan quantit qanta ahmed. >> that's why we have agencies like the fda and many other

public health authorities that will advise us. that's why the vaccine, multiple vaccine candidates are in trial at the moment. but what the senator did in this was an untold harm and i do regard it as unforgivable. this is not the first time she has made these remarks. bear in mind we have had tremendous difficulty helping americans modify their behavior for various reasons in this pandemic as the vaccine becomes open to the public, we want people to take the vaccine just as i'm working now to get people to take the flu vaccine. what is so upsetting is that senator harris identifies as black herself. she has a mixed heritage from jamaica and south india. black in the united states african-americans in the united states have died at three times the rate of any other demographic in this country. if we look at kansas city, seven times. if we look at d.c., which she hopes to make her providence in the next four years, seven times

more african-americans than other died. the vaccine is specifically going to help the most vulnerable minorities and the most at risk people in this pandemic. she has just given enormous fuel to the anti-vaxers and she is casting democrats many of them are my friends, many of my close loved ones are centrist democrats. she is casting them all as anti-vaxers. ainsley: so the vice president just said it's remarkable that we can come up with a vaccine in less than a year. is that accurate? >> it is. it's absolutely historic. and that is the result of the coronavirus task force. that is the result of president trump's vision of empowering both the private and public sector of fuel injecting with incredible amounts of finance not only in the united states but overseas american taxpayer dollars fueling so much research studies including a very promising candidate at oxford university. we have already prepurchased hundreds of millions of doses of the vaccine.

this has never been seen in history and is to be commended. and by saying that she will not trust a vaccine that will come out on the trump administration, she is casting herself as antiscience. it's an empty caveat to say that if dr. fauci orders it she will do it. she is discrediting the entire u.s. government's efforts at trying to combat coronavirus. ainsley: dr. ahmed, thank you for wearing in. >> pleasure. ainsley: big show still ahead senator ted cruz, jim jordan, pete buttigieg, sarah sanders and ari fleischer so much more ♪ go, go. ♪

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♪ ♪ >> they still don't have a plan. well, joe biden does. >> when i look at their plan, it looks a little bit like plagiarism which is something joe biden know as little bit about. >> on day one, joe biden will repeal that tax bill. >> america, you just heard senator harris tell you on day one joe biden is going to raise your taxes. it's really remarkable to think. >> what he thinks is an accomplishment the president's trade war with china. he lost that trade war. >> lost the trade war with china? joe biden never fought it. >> he has referred to our men who are serving in our military as suckers and losers. >> i'm sorry vice president pence. >> my son is a captain in the united states marine corps i can assure all of you president

trump not only respects but revers our armed forces. >> joe biden will not end fracking. he has been very clear about that. >> senator harris, you are entitled to your own been but you are not entitled to your own fact. ♪ ♪ steve: yep. live from new york city 48th and sixth avenue, avenue of the americas, it's fox and friends hour two for this post debate game show right now. and, you know, we have gone one hour and still no flies on us which is good news. it is 26 days until the election and one week until the next presidential debate. and two questions. one, would the next presidential debate be more like last night, less interruptry? two, will the president of the united states be healthy enough and have a couple of negative tests to actually participate because yesterday we saw him cut

some videos and he was working in the oval office. so i think he thinks he is ready but the big test is whether or not he passes the test. the covid test. ainsley: i think we can all agree last night's debate went off better than the one a week and a half ago. the first presidential debate because we could actually hear them. we could hear their answers. my top five probably topics that they hit on that i was curious about, packing the court, covid and the vatican vaccine. fracking. taxes and the supreme court. tackled all of those and we will tell what you they said in this hour. steve: and climate change. ainsley: that was a big one, too. brian: because the interruptions of the presidential debate we didn't get to seat difference between candidate biden and candidate harris and the one who now has the nomination and wants to be president. the president attempted to make joe biden answer questions about packing the court, expanding states, doing what he -- rumors what he is ready to do. weren't able to do it. last night mike pension was able to show a lot of daylight

between the candidates, kamala harris and 77-year-old joe biden. and there is a few times in which they twisted the ticket and said harris-biden. one time joe did it, one time kamala harris did it. and you just have to wonder if this vice presidential debate means a lot more than any other in our lifetime. and that i will leave to griff jenkins and go to the prompter now to get griff's exact introduction. he wrote it himself. i will say griff jenkins is live in salt lake city with the night's biggest moments, period. ainsley: too much to ad-lib, right, brian? brian: i just don't want to. i don't want to ad-lib. griff: good morning brian, ainsley and steve. did you a good job. you put your finger on it take away way more civil than in cleveland. we did get to hear the candidates on a lot of issues and that plexiglass didn't stop it from getting heated, particularly with the coronavirus front and center. harris going after pence on the administration's handling of the pandemic and when it came to the prospect of a vaccine, well, she said. this listen.

>> if the doctors tell us that we should take it, i will be the first in line to take it. absolutely. but if donald trump tells us that i should -- that we should takes it, i'm not taking it? >> we're going to have a vaccine, senator, in record time, in unheard of time, in less than a year. the fact that you continue to undermine public confidence in a vaccine, if the jack seen emerges during the trump administration, i think is unconscionable. griff: we saw vice president pence seeking to draw out harris' record on law enforcement. listen. >> you did nothing on criminal justice reform in california. you didn't lift a finger. >> thank you. >> you didn't do a first step act on capitol hill. >> thank you vice president pence. >> he attacked my record i would like an opportunity to respond. i will not be lectured by the vice president on our record of what we have done in terms of law enforcement and keeping our

communities safe. griff: issues where they really drew contrast the economy, taxes and foreign policy as well as the supreme court and the question over court-packing. >> joe and i are very clear. the american people are voting right now. and it should be their decision. >> they would like to know if you and joe biden are gonna pack the supreme court if you don't get your way in this nomination. >> let's talk about packing. come on. >> you gave a nonanswer. joe biden gave a nonanswer. >> i'm trying to answer you now. >> the american people deserve a straight answer. >> let's talk about packing the court then. >> please, i just want the record to reflect she never answered the question. >> as for the clock, they spoke for about equal time harris roughly 34 minutes, pence 3 5u6789 that fly clocked just over two minutes on pence's head. question now is as you guys have mentioned does this move the needle? does this change anyone's minds coming into last night and fox news' latest poll biden leads by

10 points, 53-43. it will acetaminophen see most of the candidates on the campaign trail today pence, harris, and even joe biden will be campaigning in arizona. brian, ainsley, steve? steve: all right. griff, thank you very much. maybe the most fame mulls of the interruptions was the fly itself. let's bring in newt gingrich fox news contributor, former speaker of the house and author of trump and the american future. mr. speaker, good morning to you. >> good morning. steve: okay. so, according to the polls, the trump-pence team is lagging behind harris biden as we have heard it referred to a number of times, going in, mr. pence had to play defense, defend the administration on a myriad of topics and also at the same time draw distinctions between the biden ticket and the trump ticket. how did mr. pence do on both those things yesterday? >> well, let me just point out on the way in here. the polls right now are also exactly where they were for hillary clinton because of the

way we do polling. so i would say that biden ought to be exactly as comfortable as hillary clinton was because they have about the same lead. which i think does not reflect reality in the country. but i thought vice president pence was amazingly well-prepared, very disciplined. and i think that he not only drew the contrast on policy, but in the process, he allowed people to really have a much better sense of who senator harris was as a person and all the stuff i have seen so far, she didn't fair very well, just as she didn't when she ran for president on her own. she dropped from 15 to 4% support while she was a candidate and dropped out even before iowa. because she had lost so much ground. so i think not only did pence do his job, but i think it would be really helpful for the president to rewatch that debate two or three times and try figure out what was about the med dal

disciplined pence approach that was effective. ainsley: he was calm and prepared. if he hadn't pressed on her packing the court, that question might not have been asked at all. >> well, and excuse me, if you watched him, he went right back at her and said you didn't answer the question. ainsley: right. >> that was very important because biden had not answered the question. you now know what's coming up in the next debate. it's going to be trump saying are you going to commit to not packing the court? ainsley: he said let the record reflect she never answered the question. but we want to play some soundbites and get your reaction from last night. this was right out of the gate, first topic was corona. and the vaccine. and pence got a dig in here. watch. this they still don't have a plan. well joe biden does. our plan is about what we need to do around a national strategy for contact tracing, for testing, for administration of the vaccine and making sure that it will be free for all. >> when you look at the biden

plan it reads an awful lot like what president trump and i and our task force have been doing every step of the way. and quite frankly, when i look at their plan that talks about advancing testing, creating new ppe, developing a vaccine, it looks a little bit like plagiarism which is something joe biden knows knows a little something about. ainsley: newt? >> that was a nice dig but frankly the much more important point came little bit later when when vice president pence pointed out that the president was warned if he did not cut off the flow of people from china we could have lost 2,200,000 people that's 2 million more than we actually lost. at that time, remember, biden was opposed, attacked the president for doing it. said it was xenophobic and wrong. and i think that the administration, frankly, should do a much more aggressive job of drawing the distinction between

nancy pelosi going to chinatown, bill de blasio going to the movies, all these democrats who said don't overreact while the president was following the advice that he was getting from dr. birx and dr. from dr. fauci because they did believe if we didn't cut off the flow of people from china we would lose over 2 million people. in that sense, president trump helped save several million lives even in the middle of a tragedy. brian: just so unbelievable they keep going back saying well, the president should have -- what he said to would be woodward this could be really bad. i'm not going to tell the american people we want panic. already running out of runs supermarket. walls fdr going to say after world war ii the problem with hitting japan back we don't have much of a navy we have to build our army and retrofit all our factories. i'm not optimistic. that's not what leaders do. everyone has got their choice. the president made a choice. the other thing the president did was pass the tax reform act. not many people thought it was possible. what he is allowing people to do

both pence, up until last night, and president trump is allowing people to say rich corporations are getting break breaks when tt realize small business got tax breaks along with regulation breaks. here is kamala harris and pence pat ling it out on tax cuts. >> you have donald trump who measures the strength of the economy based on how rich people are doing. which is why he passed a tax bill benefiting the top 1%. joe biden will repeal that tax bill. he will get rid of it. and what he will do with the money is invest it in the american people. >> america, you just heard senator harris tell you, on day one, joe biden is going to raise your taxes. it's really remarkable to think, we literally have spared no expense to help the american people and the american worker through. this joe biden and kamala harris want to raise taxes, they want to bury our economy under a $2 trillion green new deal, which you were one of the original co-sponsors of in the

united states senate. brian: which he went on to say is a framework for your climate change policy that you are going to back. newt, if they get rid of the filibuster and they hold the house and they get the presidency, they will do a -- they will get rid of tax reform and that will be a tax increase. i don't think kamala harris fully got that. >> of course she does. look, she can't tell the truth. i mean, how do you go -- they learned from walter mondale who said i will raise your taxes and the country thrill crushed him. reagan carried 49 states. i mean, if she came out and said yes, i'm really for the green new deal. i really want to end fracking and i really want to raise everybody's taxes by $4 trillion. there is no point in running the rest of the campaign. they have this problem that in order to appease their left, they can't tell the truth to the american people and that's what you watched in these debates. whafsz impressed by was vice president pence was very calm. brian: yep. >> very direct.

kept coming back on message. i mean, i have looked at this stuff. i have read it. i watched it. it's a very impressive performance in which he calmly keeps her pinned to reality and the constant reminder that you are allowed to have an opinion but you are not allowed to make up new facts is very important. because both harris and biden and for that matter pelosi and schumer and the whole gang rely on this. and, remember, you want to see who kills small business? watch governor cuomo who has killed thousands of small businesses. brian: sea pro-at it? >> governor murphy killed thousands of small businesses. every time you see a democratic governor you see a small business killer. and i think it's important that we understand which party represents small business. and which party represents giant government. steve: all right. newt gingrich joining us today. newt, thank you very much for your post debate analysis. great. thank you, sir. ainsley: thank you. steve: 7:13 here now in the east and jillian joins us with

headlines. jillian: good morning. let's begin with this. unrest in wisconsin overnight. riots breaking out in the city of -- after the milwaukee county da decides not to charge a police officer in a deadly shooting. video shows looters speedway. reuters damaged stores as they smashed windows at businesses and at least one home. officer joseph mensa shot outside a mall in february. the da says he acted in self-defense because kohl point audit gun at him during a chase. director of national intelligence john ratcliffe sending nearly 1,000 pages of documents to the doj. u.s. attorney john durham requested the material for his investigation of the russia probe's origins. durham is looking newt actions the fbi and cia took related to the trump campaign. it's not clear when his final report will be released. well, our good friend dan bongino shares an important update on his health. dan, writing on twitter, quote:

i'm out of surgery and i feel good. they removed the entire tumor from my neck. the bad news is it looks like lymphoma. the good news is there are treatment options. either way, it will be okay. thank you all for your support. dan was optimistic when he joined us monday before his surgery. >> we'll have a better idea if there was any kind of a spread or if -- what the level of aggression is it sucks. i mean, i'm not going to lie to you. we will deal with it. everybody has got their obstacles. jillian: we all, of course, wish dan a speedy recovery. i know you have spoken to him and i reached out to him the other day. is he one of the strongest individuals i have ever met. if anyone is going to be a fighter, it will be dan. steve: he has really good doctors. god bless him. say a prayer. ainsley: winner you all the best. we love you. coming up. vice president mike pence asking the question kamala harris won't answer. >> i think the american people really deserve an answer, senator harris. are you and joe biden going to pack the court if judge amy coney barrett is confirmed?

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>> are you and joe biden going to pack the court if judge amy coney barrett is confirmed? >> the american people are voting right now. and it should be their decision. >> they would like to know if you and joe biden are going to pack the supreme court if you don't get your way in this nomination. >> let's talk about packing. >> 50 people who president trump appointed to the court of appeals for lifetime appointments not one of them is black.

>> i would like the record to reflect she did not answer the question. >> she did not. vice president hopeful kamala harris side stepping questions whether or not a biden administration would try pack the supreme court in concert can congress joining us to react senate judiciary member from the great state of missouri josh hawley. good morning to you. >> good morning. steve: it was a real simple question although it was not asked by the moderator because the moderator asked a question about the supreme court but it was about abortion. mike pension redirected it to the question everybody want the toe know about biden harris work to pack the court? it's a yes or no answer. why didn't she answer? >> yeah, because they are going to pack the court. i mean, here's what i took away from the debate. they are going to absolutely pack the court. they are going to pack the senate to add more votes to give democrats a majority that will be permanent. they are going to try to rig american democracy just like they rigged the american economy for the globalists for the wealthy, for the insiders,

that's the obama-biden legacy. that's exactly what biden and harris want to go back. to say kamala harris wouldn't say they would stand up to china either. same agenda. these are the people who sent all those jobs away to china who sold out the american worker. they are going to do the same thing if they get back to power, steve, that's their agenda. steve: since you just mentioned china, let's run that soundbite. >> what he thinks is an accomplishment the president's trade war with china. he lost that trade war. he lost it. >> lost the trade war with china? joe biden never fought it. joe biden has been a cheerleader for communist china through over the last several decades. joe biden was vice president, we lost 200,000 manufacturing jobs and president obama said they were never coming back. steve: that you would need a magic wand to bring them back. she also said that particularly if farmers in your state that the president's trade policies really damaged farmers in states

like missouri. did we lose this trade war that she is talking about? no we didn't lose the trade war. look at the deal the president got. and by the way this was an economy before the china and the coronavirus. this is an economy reaching record highs and that workers, blue collar workers finally getting a pay raise after decades of flat wages thanks to the democrats and their policies. the truth is since china got the sweetheart deal from the united states, back under president bill clinton, we have lost over 2 million jobs to china. we finally have a president in donald trump who is willing to stand up to them. and the vice president is right. joe biden has been nothing but a china apologist. he is an out and out globalist. he has been his entire career. he has watched jobs go overseas. he has watched our manufacturing sector completely collapse. and had nothing to say about it. and these are the policies that they want to go back to and then they want to pack the senate to make sure that nobody actually

has to vote any longer. the american people their votes don't cowjt. they want to packet supreme court to undo the last two elections. this their agenda, rig the economy. rig our democracy. steve: was there anything, senator, that you saw last night that you would like to see next week down in miami provided the president and the former vice president are able to have their second presidential debate? >> well, i thought that the vice president did a tremendous job of pointing out biden's terrible record on the american worker and working families. that's been such a strong point for president trump. here was someone who finally was willing to stand up and fight against chinese imperialism. against chinese trade deals. cheating, to fight for the american worker, against the multinational corporations including in our own country who sent so many jobs overseas. that has been a highlight i hope president trump will go after biden. trump has a great record standing up for the worker. joe biden has a terrible record in selling out american workers. and i think that's a big support of what this campaign is about.

steve: all right. before you go. are you still in the senate in the fiduciary committee on track to start the committee hearings for amy coney barrett next week? >> absolutely going to start on monday. there is no reason to delay. we have had 150 virtual or hybrid hearings in the united states senate over the last few months. 150. we can absolutely have a full set of hearings for judge barrett. and the real question here is it still going to be possible for a christian, a believing christian believing catholic in this country to get confirmed tout bench or are democrats going to set a new standard that if you are a believer then you can't get confirmed? if you are a believer you are no longer welcome in public outside of. that's the line they are trying to draw with these attacks on faith and family, that's what this fight is about. steve: ultimately when it's time to take a vote before the election, is the senate looking into buying a bunch of moon suits i know ron johnson said if i have to i'm going to show up in a moon suit and vote. >> i'm glad that's his sentiment

and we should absolutely vote before the election. we will be finished in the judiciary committee with this hearing well before then. there will be plenty of time to have the debate on the floor and vote well before the election. so senators should plan on it and we need to get it done. steve: all right. thank you very much. senator josh hawley from the great state of missouri. sir, thank you. have a good day. >> thank you. steve: all right. meanwhile, straight ahead, kamala harris with an ominous warning about the trump administration's healthcare plan and you. >> if you have a pre-existing condition, heart disease, diabetes, breast cancer, they're coming for you. steve: is that true? a panel discussion coming up next. an on a budget gets tough... ...our agents do the legwork,... ...so saving on auto insurance is... easy usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. unlike ordinary memory want supplements-ter? neuriva has clinically

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start with you since you are a physician is this the safest way to handle this since he is positive with covid? >> in terms of whether or not they should be going virtual, at the end of the day, if they are going to be 12 feet apart they will have plexiglass and having a split screen why would it be a problem just to be having it virtually. if we're giving cancer diagnoses virtually all of my meetings these days are virtually. i think virtual town halls are fine with that being said we want to make sure they are not being fed answers and reading off of a teleprompter concerns why we don't want to have it virtually for the safety of the nation and just as of right now i think it's not a bad idea to be having it virtually. ainsley: care karith, how about you what do you think. >> i agree with dr. saphier. why put everybody at risk. we need somebody running the country who is not ill. absolutely. keep them safe and, yes, there are concerns of the answers being fed. but, you know, hopefully everybody will have their

integrity with them and we will have a good district attorney bait. ainsley: rachel, hobby you? how do you feel about that. >> trust but verify. if i was the trump campaign, i would be putting in place some sort of rules to make sure that he doesn't have something in his ear or some sort of, you know, i don't know how they do it but they have got to have somebody there to make sure is he not cheating because we have seen some things before with teleprompters that are pretty sketchy on the biden side. ainsley: let's talk about the debate last night. let's play some soundbites from what we saw and get your reaction. vice president mike pence really went after her about the green new deal. she co-sponsored the green new deal and he hit her on that and on fracking, the flip-flopping on fracking, watch this. you are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts. we have a $2 trillion version of the green new deal. more taxes, more regulation, banning fracking, abolishing fossil fuel. crushing american energy. and economic surrender to china

is a prescription for economic decline. ainsley: rachel, i will start with you on this one. >> huge. she was caught lying about fracking. she walls caught lying about charlottesville, by the way. also caught lying about abraham lynn on. the important vote are the swing votes especially the rust belt votes where i live up here, wisconsin, pennsylvania, ohio, minnesota. they heard her lying about fracking. these are all verifiable. we all know she co-sponsored the green new deal. they know she wants to return to the globalists policies with regards to china. donald trump was the only president who took on china in a serious way. and they also -- she also is going to raise taxes. that's clear, too. i think her lies are verifiable and i think people in the midwest heard some things that would be very trouble gling troubling to them. ainsley: karith the media is saying she was the victim of racism and sexism. listen to this. >> if you have a pre-existing

condition heart disease, diabetes, breast cancer, they are coming for you. if you love someone who has a pre-existing. >> thank you, thank you senator harris. >> not true. >> coming for you under the age of 26 on your parents' coverage they are coming for you. ainsley: okay. so that was the wrong soundbite. we will play the right one in just a minute. but since you are the doctor on the panel, i will get to you respond, dr. saphier to that about pre-existing conditions. >> well, ainsley, let me tell u. the ville control that came out of harris' mouth last night regarding breast cancer, especially exploiting it during breast cancer awareness month really upset me. the fear mongering needed to be countering by pence and i don't think he did that essentially what harris laid out was a playbook from my book on how to bankrupts a healthcare system ultimately with the goggle of this expanded affordable care act. they are going to bankrupt the system and they are going to go towards the medicare for all which, if you don't remember during the primaries, harris was a fan of. it seems like her policies for healthcare are quite flexible depending on what her goal is that being said, pence needed to

counter he needed to lay out what the trump pence plan is unfortunately that did not happen. they need to say that grey the federal stance is through executive order that all pre-existing will be covered. lowering costs not just slashing prices. not just slashing reimbursement rates and ultimately leading to us medicare for all they want to lower the cost of healthcare which they have done. decreased premiums and decreased expenses with medicare d and advantage. and consumer price index for prescription drugs. for the first time in 50 years everything else that has been halted because of the obstruction in the house we need them to get in front and tell the american people what their plan is because they actually have one. they are -- they just aren't effectively communicating it to the american people and this is on the ballot. ainsley: karith, i will go back to you saying victim of racism and sexism. i think we are working on getting that soundbite. we actually have it. listen to. >> you know she is a black

woman. she has to pull her punches. >> every woman who has ever been repeatedly interrupted in a meeting, just watch mike pence do a softer version of what donald trump did last week. >> interrupting a moderator a woman and his opponent a woman, some may feel that showed lack of respect. >> i think a lot of people were noticing man splaining going on. >> every woman in politics particularly a black woman there is this line that you have to thread. ainsley: all right, karith, what do you think? >> listen, i understand what they were trialing to do. yes, there is sexism in the world. there is absolutely racism in the world. but to revictimize her by saying that she couldn't hold her owns a a woman, as a woman of color, like to me that's the exact definition of racism and sexism. what you have on stage is an accomplished articulate intelligent powerful person who brought her a game and to say that she didn't possibly because of her race or ethnicity i think that's the antithesis. this is exactly why we have

problems and issues with diversity in this country. because of we want to separate people. we want to put them into categories and label them and say this is why you may not be able to do what you -- you should be expected to do it's nonsense and ridiculousness. ainsley: all woman would support her career and what she has done it's historic. and very proud of her for all of that the issue here are the issues when you go to the polls and who do you agree with. all right, ladies, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. >> thank you, ainsley. ainsley: you are welcome. see you soon, ladies. 7:37 here on the east coast. congressman jim jordan is here to react to the vice presidential debate next.

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second presidential debate in miami not going to happen as we thought it per se. it will be virtual. ainsley: in the form of a town hall meeting with candidates participating in separate remote locations next thursday. brian: right. here to react ohio g.o.p. congressman who just got this news with us jim jordan. congressman, there are 34 people that tested positive in the white house so they want to be sure even if the president has two negative tests they are going to do a t. remote. what changes? a lot i think. >> i would prefer it being in person and i think probably the president would too. he will be ready and win this debate like he won the last debate. he has a great record. you know, last night kamala harris says she doesn't trust the president. doesn't trust the president. this president more than any president i know of has done what he said he would do. and i think he will talk about just like mike pence talked about it last night i think he will talk about it next week in the debate whether in person. he said he was going to cut taxes cut taxes said he was

going to reduce regulations reduced regulations. said he was going to have a strong economy. we had the strongest economy prior to the coronavirus said he was going to built the wall. he built the wall. said he was going to get out of iran deal got out of iran deal. put justice gorsuch and kavanaugh on the court. he said he would put the embassy in jerusalem. he has done this. this guy has done more of what he said he would do than i can remember. he will highlight that message next week like mike pence did last night he will win again. steve: historical note in 1960 john kennedy for the debate one of them was in new york and richard nixon was in california. so something like this has been done remotely before meanwhile you were talking about what mike pence said last night here is another soundbite regarding the democrats and what happened last time. watch this. >> when you talk about accepting the outcome of the election, i must tell you, senator, your party has spent the last three

and a half years trying to overturn the results of the last election. it's amazing. when joe biden was vice president of the united states, the fbi actually spied on president trump and my campaign. i mean, there were documents released this week that the cia actually made a referral to the fbi documenting that those allegations were coming from the hillary clinton campaign. steve: congressman, you know, that's one thing that's been a long 2020. that's one thing the democrats really don't want to remind people hey we spent like three or four years doing this russia thick and how did that turn out for them? >> yeah. 19 lawyers, 40 agents, 500 witnesses, 2500 subpoenas and $30 million wasted on a hoax. and we learned this week based on what ratcliffe released that clinton made it all up. thee conjured this whole thing up. she knew she conjured it up by brennan's notes. they all knew this yet we had to live through this all that time. that same individual who

conjured this up hoax to hide the fact she destroyed 430,000 emails. that same individual what did she say three weeks ago she said no matter what under no circumstances should joe biden concede. the only party that has not accepted the will of the american people is the democrat party. and they are planning to do it again. understand this too, steve. they are looking to -- why is there just one party who wants to count ballots after election day even if you can't distinguish the postmark on the envelope the ballot was delivered. in the postmark date? why is that the case in the democrats are trying to win this election after the election. that's not thousand works in our great nation. the american people understand it. again, that's why i think on election day in 26 days they are going to reelect president trump. ainsley: look at the polls the economy is the number one issue even over covid right now. they hit on jobs, manufacturing jobs. and the number of jobs that were lost. and mike pence went after her for not voting for usmca.

he says if there is fracking you are going to crush american jobs. listen to this. >> senator kamala harris was one of only 10 members of the senate to vote against the usmca. it was a huge win for american auto workers. it was a huge win for american farmers especially dairy in the upper midwest. senator, you said it didn't go far enough on climate change. >> um-huh. >> you put your radical, environmental agenda ahead of american auto workers and ahead of american jobs. ainsley: she said last night he is not going to ban fracking. that is a fact. but, she -- we have known in the past supported that and he has said he guarantees he will abolish fossil fuels he told that girl in the audience one time. >> yeah. numerous times they have said they are going to ban fracking the usmca is just another example of the president doing what he said new nafta new usmca. she voted against it. that has been good to our state.

i think about whirlpool the number of jobs they kept and added whirlpool because of the president's trade policies. manufacturing is roaring in our state in the state of ohio because of the action the trump-pence administration has taken. it was great that the vice president pointed that out. they are lying about the fracking. and they are lying about so many other things. then when they won't lie, they just won't give you an answer. like last night when the vice president repeatedly asked her are you guys going to pack the courts? we know that they are. but they won't answer it. just like they won't put out a list of their supreme court nominees, a list that they will choose from like the president of the united states said, they won't put it out because they so afraid of the radical left in their party. they won't put out a list. they won't tell you that they're going to pack the court. if they say they are not going to pack the court or put out list it won't be good enough for the left. brian: jim, unfortunately we are out of time. just to your point they're making an announcement today exclusive to politico the workers family party put together a thousand word charter

black lives matter, organized labor and the squad job program with 60 million jobs retroactive hazard pay for essential employees this is the agenda. they are tired of being marginalized they are going to start rearing their left wing head and let's see what joe biden does with it. thank you so much, congressman. >> that is who is controlling them. thank you. brian: keep an eye on this. meanwhile, janice dean is keeping an eye on the weather it. is really challenging, right, janice? janice: yeah. we have hurricane that's going to strengthen before it makes landfall in the same region that we had laura make landfall six weeks ago. people are still recovering from that hurricane. it is expected to strengthen in the next 12 to 48 hours. colder water so that could actually weaken the storm before it makes impact on friday afternoon, friday evening. storm surge is going to be a big problem, 17 to 11 feet of storm surge right to the center of this storm.

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♪ brian: first alert. get this the commission on presidential debates just announced the second debate next thursday, a week from today, will be virtual in the form of a town hall with candidates participating in separate locations and i imagine the town hall in a separate location, the people asking the questions. women for trump co-chair pam

bondi helped vice president pence prepare for his his debate last night. first, your reaction. do you think this is the right move, pam, being that 33 people tested positive at the white house. >> by that time president will test negative. i think they should have the debate in person. i think the president wants it in person. the problem with that and i will say it they could cheat on the debate. we know that. we have to have someone there to verify that joe biden does not have something in his ear feeding his answers or someone standing in fronts of the camera handing him answers. we know this from former town halls he has done where they said they had objective people who were undecided voters. not true. we know that the questions from the media that he has taken in the past have been set-up questions that he already knew the answers to because they were up on a teleprompter. so, i think they have to be very, very careful. i think there has got to be a safeguard in there where we know they are not feeding him answers

in his ear. brian: i hope the guy in touch with both camps the president has not tweeted on that yet. i'm sure they had to okay it. you are right that's something to be concerned about. one challenge after another. lester holt put together what was supposed toen undecided voters that you are referring. to say at least two of which republicans voting for biden. meanwhile, you helped get vice president pence ready do you think he was ready from what you saw last night? >> oh, he was more than ready, brian. he did such a great job. and he didn't need any of us. we have all said that all along. he did such a great job, you know. now it's reported sarah did play the moderator in some of the debates with scott walker playing kamala. i came in and played kamala and scott walker moderated. we mixed it up a lot for him. he was prepared from day one. because he knows the facts. and that's what i was saying the other day on your show to ainsley. he didn't need to read a policy book. and that was so clear last night. you know, kamala could not answer the question on foreign

policy. she talked about joe biden and unity. and the vice president just nailed it. because he has lived. this he has been with the american people and vice president trump's side for three and a half years. did he a great job. he answered the military question beautifully. my favorite was at the end with the question from the eighth grader he actually talked about unity and bringing people together. what did the democrats talk about? charlottesville, divisiveness. brian: gotcha. pam, thank you for for doing your instant analysis on the news and your debate prep seemed to have paid off. pam bondi, thanks so much. >> thank you. brian: speaking of sarah huckabee sanders she is going to be coming up next. ari fleischer that's why we have his head shot up. pete buttigieg. at t-mobile, we have a plan built just for customers 55 and up.

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commitment to fight for the integrity of our democracy. >> when you talk about accepting the outcome of the election, senator, your party has spent the last three and a half years trying to over turn the results of the last election. >> ♪ i'm on the edge, of glory and i'm hanging on a moment of truth ♪ ainsley: all right, the vice presidential debate the one and only, it's over with now you can make your decision. much more information last night we were able to understand than we were able to hear them. a lot of people are criticizing pence for interrupting her or changing the topics but what i saw is if kamala harris got the last word on one topic then he would use the next opportunity, different topic, to answer that question, or say she was wrong about something or clarify his answer, and then he would go on to the next topic. i really liked it and i thought they both did a good job. if you're a democrat you'll think she did a good job and if you're a republican you'll think that he did but they did tackle

a lot of issues, and not as many interruptions. brian: i will say this. i thought mike pence was extreme ly well prepared he really knew his stuff. he almost knew exactly more about kamala harris' background than i think, it caught her by surprise in terms of interruptions and my effort to endlessly impress you, pence interrupted 10 times harris interrupted five time, pence spoke for 38 minutes, harris spoke for 35 so a virtual dead heat. ainsley: brian what did you think about the moderator because yesterday, they were wondering if the moderator should just let them fight and i remember you talking about that yesterday morning. steve: where they just go ahead and have a dialogue. there were a lot of topics and the moderator was very strict about wanting to move on. ainsley: i thought she did a great job. steve: somebody mentioned virtual a moment ago that is essentially what's going to be happening with the presidential debate. the news broke actually griff jenkins sent us a memo from the commission on presidential debates and griff, it sounds as

if the president will a week from today be at the white house , we don't nowhere joe biden is going to be butted not rate or and the town hall people will actually be in miami griff: a lot of breaking news, steve, and it's going to be an interesting day indeed. the cpd making that announcement in the last hour by e-mailing all of the folks cover ing it that to protect safety and health of all involved, they were going to have it virtual, meaning that president trump and former vice president biden be in separate remote locations while the moderator, steve scully of c span and the town hall participants would remain as planned to come from the art center in miami. that is what cpd decided to do. that's gone out of the pool covering the debates and evils although i've just learned moments ago in an interview on our sister network with maria bartiromo, president trump says he's not so sure that's acceptable to him, saying he probably will not participate in a virtual debate.

that is going to certainly cause a lot of discussion today. we will have to wait and find out, this comes as you recall, after biden made remarks earlier this week saying that if the president didn't test negative, then he would not consider possibly going forward with it. a lot of questions. meanwhile, about last night, we're not in cleveland anymore and it was more civil indeed. senator harris though still throwing a lot of punches despite the plexiglass and she came out hard and fast right out of the gate on the coronavirus as vice president pence tried to defend the administration's handling of the pandemic. watch. >> when i look at their plan that talks about advancing testing, creating new ppe, developing a vaccine, it looks a little bit like plagerism, which is something joe biden knows a little bit about. >> the american people have witnessed what is the greatest failure of any presidential administration in the history of

our country. we have to get a hold of what has been going on and we need to save our country and joe biden is the best leader to do that and frankly this administration has forfeited their right to re-election. griff: but vice president pence went on the offensive drawing harris out over her record on law enforcement. listen. >> you did nothing on criminal justice reform in california. you didn't lift a finger to pass the first step act on capitol hill. i mean, the reality is, your record speaks for itself. >> he attacked my record i would like an opportunity to respond. i will not be lectured by the vice president on our record of what we have done in terms of law enforcement keeping our community safe. griff: and as ainsley, you pointed out really we saw contrast between the two candidates on a variety of issues from the economy, taxes, foreign policy and of course the supreme court and an interesting moment when pence

pressed harris on packing court, watch. >> joe and i are very clear. the american people are voting right now and it should be their decision. >> they'd like to know if you and joe are going to pack the supreme court if you don't get your way in this nomination. >> let's talk about packing. come on. >> it's a non-answer, joe biden gave a non-answer. >> i'm trying to answer you now >> the people deserve a straight answer. >> let's talk about packing the court then. please i just want the record to reflect she never answered the question. griff: so the question now is will last night move the needle at all? we'll have to wait to find out coming into last night biden leads by 10 points 53-43 and you've got pence, harris, and biden all on the campaign trail today at events in person in arizona, so we'll see what they say about this cpd news about the virtual miami debate, but just to give you a quote now from what i was referencing the president is speaking with

maria bartiromo, he says "i'm not going to waste my time." this is going to be something you hear a lot about this morning, brian, ainsley, steve? brian: wow. steve: griff thank you very much so this is breaking news they are going to be doing it virtual ly but apparently, within the last half hour, they announced it be virtual the next presidential debate, but they did not talk to either of the campaign, they did not give the campaigns a heads up and when the president just about four minutes ago heard about it, he said "i'm not wasting my time , i'm not participating." brian: think about this you had a moderator, a town hall, vice president in one place, the president in the other. it's almost impossible, how would you not check with both camps? it makes no sense? ainsley: let's bring in sarah sanders former white house press secretary and author of " speaking for myself" along with ari fleischer, former press secretary under george w. bush both are fox news contributors hey guys thanks for being on

with us. sarah i'll start with you. you know him so well. do you think this was smart? he has covid. i understand people probably don't want to be in the same room with him so this was the second-best alternative, the virtual. but i understand his side too. he doesn't want that because there is a chance, i would worry someone could slip answers or slip notes to these candidates while sitting in front of the computer what do you think? >> well i think it's malpractice for the commission to make an announcement like that without first talking to the campaigns. it seems very odd that you would make an announcement to the world without talking to the two parties that it impacts the most and make sure that they are in agreement before moving forward and i think most people anticipate the president will test negative here in the coming days. i think he wants to be in front of the american people. it's very hard to call it a debate when you have the crowd in one place and the two candidates in another place it's more like the zoom calls i've been doing with my third grader. i don't think that you can have

a substantive back and forth exchange between the two parties if they are all so separated. i think the president is right to pushback. i also think the commission was wrong not to discuss it with the presidential campaigns before making that announcement. brian: ari, we just got the sound bite of the president getting the news and reacting so let's listen together. president trump: i heard that the commission a little while ago changed the debate style and that's not acceptable to us. maria: well you say you're not going to participate? president trump: no i'm not going to waste my time on a virtual debate. that's not what debating is all about it's ridiculous. we learned it the same way you learned it. they called up two minutes ago and it was announced, and they are trying to protect biden, everybody is. brian: ari, your reaction to his reaction? >> well, number one, i do think it is perfectly reasonable to say if you're covid-positive you're not allowed that applies to the candidates, the audience

and the press nothing wrong with that it makes sense. having said that, this is premature, he may not be covid- positive by the time the debate happens and it was unilateral and sarah's right. how can you call yourself a fair -minded organization just unilaterally to decide this? you've got to do it in conjunction with the candidates you don't get to dictate it. so, there's a lot of problems with this plus if they do it think about this. how on earth do you have a moderator make sure there's no interruptions? they are just talking over each other. there's a lot of problems with doing it this way. brian: you can't blame, sarah, you can't blame the president for being suspicious. you heard about this lester holt story they just put a town hall together with basically all biden supporters gave them a series of softballs and acted like he was in some unscripted situation, look at george stephanopolos town hall looked like trump hater, but the difference is stark, your comment?

>> well, that's exactly right. sorry go ahead, ari. i jumped in there. >> you're 100% right, brian. you know, it's not only that. so much of establishment of washington has stacked this stack. you saw it at the abc town hall, nbc town hall, the people organizing and the debates are cut from the same and what we do know about vice president biden is he does have answers to the questions put up on a teleprompt er for him to read. so how are you going to police that? how do you stop him from doing that? are you going to have debate observers at biden's basement? i mean, there's a lot of problems i don't think the debate commission thought through, plus it may not be necessary the president might be perfectly fine. steve: so sarah, going forward, we don't know exactly what's happening to happen next week let's take a look at what happened last night regarding the debate. did you feel like it was a good range of topics that was fair

and balanced so to speak? >> i do feel like they covered a lot of ground and there was a lot of substance. i think they probably could have taken away a couple topics that you had a bit more exchange between the two candidates but i thought overall they did cover a lot of ground and i thought the vice president did a fantastic job laying out the successes of the trump/pence administration from the previous four years and also, painting a picture of what the next four years would look like. he was very calm, he had total command throughout the debate, and a very substantive and wide- ranging depth on all of the issues that came up. i think people were probably very happy and i would say in some cases, surprised by the depth of knowledge that the vice president had, not just on the topics but also on harris ' record and really held her feet to the fire and called her out a number of times to answer specific questions that she still, by the end of the

night, had not answered. ainsley: so ari, let's play this sound bite of the clash on china that we heard last night and get your reaction on the other side. watch this. >> let's talk about that. the vice president earlier referred to it as part of what he thinks is an accomplishment. the president's trade war with china. he lost that trade war. lost it. >> lost the trade war with china, joe biden never fought it joe biden has been a cheerleader for communist china. we lost 200,000 manufacturing jobs and president obama said they were never coming back. he said we needed a magic wand to bring them back. in our first three years after we cut taxes and unleashed american energy, this administration saw 500,000 manufacturing jobs created. ainsley: ari? >> yeah, i'd laughed last night i thought it was one of the most effective lines when the vice president, vice president pence said joe biden never fought the

war. that was a quick, clever come back, and he's right. look, i come from the part of the republican party that was against tariffs. that's how i was raised, that's everything the politicians i work for believed and when the president announced the tariffs i said i was skeptical but i'd be open-minded let's see what happens. what i've come to the conclusion now is that it takes a bull in a china shop, it takes an outsider like donald trump to deal with china and the establishment politicians joe biden included will never take china on. donald trump is fighting a long term fight to get right our relationship with china, and he's doing it through tariffs. it's one of the few leverage points that we have and he's using it and that's why you have to put up with a bull in a china shop sometimes to get a good policy and i salute the president and i come around and he's the only one that takes on china. brian: i salute sarah because she had to explain that bull in a china shop, you didn't have to you had george bush to talk about guys thanks so much for joining us i appreciate it.

>> you bet. thank you. >> thank you. brian: meanwhile the next presidential debate will be virtual. can you believe this? pete hegseth is here, he's smiling, i don't know about now. find your rhythm. your happy place. find your breaking point. then break it. every emergen-c gives you a potent blend of nutrients so you can emerge your best with emergen-c. whatever road you take, make sure your tires are ready to get you there safely. right now at midas, buy three cooper tires, and get one free. find your tires at midas.com

president trump: i heard that the commission a little while ago changed the debate style, and that's not acceptable to us. maria: well you say you're not going to participate? president trump: i'm not going to waste my time on a virtual debate. that's not what debating is all about you sit behind a computer and debate. that's ridiculous. we learned it the same way you learned it they called up two minutes ago and it was announced and they are trying to protect biden, everybody is. brian: to hear how ticked off he was and that just happened moments ago president trump announcing he will not participate in next week's

presidential debate now that it's virtual here to react fox & friends weekend co-host who spoke to the president two weeks ago pete hegseth. pete, your reaction to the president's reaction? how do they do this without checking with him first? pete: [laughter] i have no idea. there's no way president trump should do a virtual debate, and this is not hard. a couple of negative tests? you're out behind your computer and you're in the studio, in fact brian, i was at the rose garden event, i had a precaution , stayed home last weekend hosting fox & friends i was on skype the entire time. i can't wait to get back into the studio this weekend, because it's always better in-person. it's always more authentic. you can actually challenge people. you can actually answer questions. do you think you're going to get joe biden to answer whether he packed the court via zoom? it's never going to happen. he should definitely not do it if it's virtual. brian: i understand everything you say and i'm likely to agree with you however if the polls are somewhat right and you find yourself trailing do you need this more, even a virtual debate , more than a rally, let's

say, for your political fortunes pete: i'd rather have one good in-person debate, than go down the rabbit trail of virtual debate because once you do one they will want to have the second one that way as well, so say we'll take tests any staff traveling we'll take tests everyone will be negative, we'll make sure everyone is separated all those things, but its got to be in person. i think it's worth throwing down on this one i really do, and understanding the stakes brian it's a good point. brian: i just don't understand why this commission can rationalize making these opinions without checking with the president of the united states and joe biden. they said they found out minutes before. so, pete, we had to change a little bit but i do want to get your take on the vice presidential debate especially this one area. when we were talking about joe biden's foreign policy against president trump's foreign policy , here is the vice president. >> joe biden and kamala harris actually criticized the decision to take out soulemani.

it's really inexplicable but with regard to joe biden, it's explainable. his history records that joe biden actually opposed the rate against osama bin laden. it's absolutely essential that we have a commander-in-chief who will not hesitate to act to protect american lives and to protect american service members and that's what you have in president donald trump. brian: also went back for the iranian deal and the fact that we walked away obviously has spauned this thing called middle east peace and israeli recognition. i was surprised she went there. were you? >> she had to go there because of the topics you could tell how little she knows about it she was effectively barfing up headlines with very shallow knowledge and this is where mike pence was very strong all night and particularly strong here. he knew it. he knew the past. helicopter knew joe biden's been wrong as bob goetz said on every foreign policy issue in the last 50 years and the guys that you're serving with when you go through that first door, when you go through that first door

do you hesitate and stop or do you continue to go in knowing there are bad guys in there? joe biden has hesitated and hesitated and hesitated but not hesitated to make deals with our enemies. president trump has said baghdad i you're gone, isis you're gone, and you have blood on your hands the deal is gone, the chinese, the soft touch you've had from obama, biden for 10 years in the foreign policy establishment, no more. we will have a trade war with you and when joe biden says that trade war is lost? it hasn't even, it's not over. it's ongoing. and if we want to retreat we hand it to them so i thought on foreign policy, mike pence exposed how dangerous a harris/ biden ticket be on foreign policy, and laid out exactly why we have made our friends our friends and our enemies our enemies. brian: pete you and i can talk about this forever but during his reign, joe biden's vice president say, they made islands promised not to militarize them and militarized them. russia being too the ukraine and solidified their grip on georgia

and then flew into syria. they've done none of those aggressive actions except for where they clearly have their hands-on the lever and so is nato is there as well so i just thought it was a dicey thing for him to do and they are talking about foreign policy next, if there was a next, i thought the president could really excell there. pete: i think he will absolutely brian: pete we'll talk to you tomorrow. pete: thanks brian. brian: meanwhile president trump says he will not participate in the virtual debate so where do we go from here? we have a panel here that will answer that question. introducins pain gel. the first full prescription strength non-steroidal anti-inflammatory gel... available over the counter. voltaren is powerful arthritis pain relief in a gel. voltaren. the joy of movement.

president trump: i beat him easily in the first debate according to the polls that i've seen but i beat him easily i felt i beat him easily and i think he felt it too. he wouldn't answer any questions as i beat him in the second debate also, and but i'm not going to do a virtual debate. ainsley: fox news alert this morning president trump furious as the debate commission announces its plans to go virtual in the next week in next week in the second presidential debate. it was planned to be in-person down in miami. here to react our panel fox news contributor tammy bruce, along with democratic former tennessee congressman harold ford jr. , and fox news contributor, deroy murdock, hey, everyone. >> good morning. ainsley: ladies first so tammy

i'll start with you. what's your reaction to this the virtual debate? >> look that was i think many people thought about that depending on the president's condition, clearly his reports have been very good but here is some of the problems with the inventory you'll dynamic. already the commission indicated that they were going to take certain measures to be able to control the president or control the exchange. when you're in-person, and you're there, you know what's going on it's like a live interview. when your virtual and there's elements where you can be cutoff , you can leave the screen , things are beyond your control, you also don't know what the environment is with your opponent, what may be happening there. there are things that can be uncontrollable so there's reasons to not trust how this process proceeds. i, a long time ago, many years ago, stopped second guessing donald trump, and i trust him and his sense of things i think we all should considering the reaction to the last debate and also, by the way, joe biden 's bar is now higher.

there were many different things in that first debate that now he has lost, and i think that it is helpful to him to have certain control against donald trump and this kind of virtual environment i think is unpredictable, and of course, i think if someone had a chance to use it against the president, frankly, they would. ainsley: deroy what do you think , do you think it might be interesting to see a virtual debate but on the other hand, pete hegseth made a really good point in the last segment and he said if we do virtual this time does that mean they will try to do virtual in the last debate too, your thoughts? >> yeah, i'm not sure it'll be all that interesting. do you find zoom calls interesting? i don't find them all that interesting. there's a certain personal dye am ic about being in the same room with somebody else you can notice facial expressions, voice patterns these people calm or nervous what the have you they could be on the same stage far apart and put plexiglass between them like we saw with the vice president and kamala harris last night. there is also the question if he's in his basement will he be

using a teleprompter and have people in the background giving him hand signals? if they are going to do this and be in different locations at a bare minimum each campaign should have people from the opposite campaign there, to make sure that the thing is honest. ainsley: absolutely. >> i was quite shocked that the commission basically announced this without talking to either campaigns ahead of time, it was totally inappropriate. ainsley: the president said he thinks the commission is doing this to help biden. do you trust the commission, do you trust the process? >> well first off again good morning and thanks for having me on. we should all put this in context. no one likes the world we're living in right now and the way we have to communicate with people and our kids go to school and even how broadcast and cable tv is having to operate. we have to do it differently largely because we have a pandemic and frankly, president trump has covid, so this is why this is happening. now the president oftentimes complains about how he's treated unfairly, and you have to remember he is the president and he has a helicopter, a plane. he has the white house, he's

able to get the best doctors so i agree with what deroy just said. you got to find ways to ensure there's fairness, if the opposing campaigns want to put people with the other candidates to make sure they aren't the nefarious things some are suggesting it could happen they should do that. i think the debate commission has been responsible, they've been smart. i don't know why they didn't call the candidates but it's ultimately their decision and they are an independent bipartisan group that's the rules for these debates and i hope those candidates will participate the country deserves to hear from them. ainsley: tammy what was your takeaway from last night? >> well, i was waiting to see what would happen. i was a little concerned that vice president's approach usually, of course as it was last night, very nice, very steady approach, and we saw that how you can have with that steady approach, you can make some really hard-hitting points so i was happening to see that. i was not surprised to see ms. harris have some trouble she had not debated a republican

i think in a couple of decades and the democrats realized she be remembered for what she did to kavanaugh. that same kind of smug, smirking framework that is not a good look on men or women. it's not something americans or regular people like, and i think that hurt her considerably but it hurt her in the primaries , and it hurt her in her own debates and i think it's one of the reasons why the democrats were not impressed her during that process. ainsley: harold what withs your takeaway? >> i thought it didn't change much. i think both sides appeal to their base. i thought the interesting points from kamala harris was the fact that one out of five american businesses won't come back and we probably do have done, should have donald were able to do more earlier on this pandemic and vice president asked the question about packing the courts with democrats. i am a democrat we'll have to answer that question better than what was answered last night. ainsley: what would you have done differently in january in the early days?

>> well i would have told the country i would have leveled with the country and begun the process of the defense production act to ensure we would have to import everything from paper towels to prescription drugs in china. as much as i heard vice president pence say how strong they've been in china we've got the pandemic from china. as much as they'd like to talk how strong, we still don't have enough paper towels and ppe in this nation we're looking to china to produce it that should change and i wish that point was made last night by senator harris. ainsley: deroy what was your takeaway? >> it was a very substantial debate. we got a lot of information we'll learn a number of things that the biden-harris ticket is committed to getting rid of the tax cuts and jobs act on day one and that will get rid of all of the tax cuts including those enjoyed by something like 80% of households and benefits from that particular measure as congressman ford said on the supreme court, kamala harris refused to say whether or not they want to pack the court that leaves me to think they might have something to hide which is

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president trump: look forward to doing the rallies, i heard that the commission a little while ago changed the debate style and that's not acceptable to us. i beat him easily in the first debate. i'd beat him in the second debate also, and but i'm not going to do a virtual debate. maria: you're saying you're not going to participate?

president trump: no i'm not going to waste my time on a virtual debate. that's not what debating is all about. steve: okay this is breaking news in the last one hour about an hour ago the commission said given the fact that the president currently has covid, next thursday's debate between the two presidential candidates be virtual. you just heard the president say "i'm not going", joe biden says he will go. the campaign of president trump has already said look, by that time, he could have had two negative tests, that's crazy. the president instead will hold a rally. that's where we are at 8:40 in the morning let's bring in texas republican senator ted cruz, member of the senate judiciary committee and author of the great new book called "one vote away, how a single supreme court seat can change history" which debuted at number nine on the new york times best seller list. congratulations, senator. >> well thank you. it's good to be with you again, thanks for having me. steve: good to have you so what do you make of the fact that the president says i'm not going to, if they are doing a virtual

debate, that's not a real debate i'm not going. >> look i think the president's right on this , and unfortunately, i think this is a pattern we've seen play out throughout the debates, where the moderators and the debate commission have behaved like arms of the joe biden campaign. i think the first debate chris wallace did a terrible job moderating. last night i think susan page did a better job moderating and she didn't interrupt as much but her questions were still, you know, it's an interesting hypothetical to go back and look at the questions she asked, and ask how would the questions have read differently, had they been written by the joe biden campaign? and that virtually every question out of her mouth was from the left, with all of the assumptions joe biden and the democrats believed. there was really very little pushing on the other side. this decision here, to hold a virtual debate. that benefits joe biden, that

lets his staff be in the room. that lets him receive assistance one of the real concerns a lot of people have is if joe biden is even up to it and if you insulate him and let him do the debate from the basement, that's eliminating the debate aspect of it and listen i think the reason the commission did this is the democrats right now think they're winning. they believe joe biden's winning i think they're very happy for joe not to leave his basement for another minute between now and election day and if the commission sticks to we're going to do it virtually i think the president is right to say i'm not going to participate in this charade. ainsley: just to defend chris wallace he's part of our family and it's not easy to debate to moderate a debate, and i've watched other moderators say, sometimes when you're up there on stage all the time when you're up on stage, and you're in charge of asking the questions, you see something different than what the audience is seeing at home and it's a difficult situation, i thought chris did a fine job, and he's one of our friends and he's part

of our family, ted cruz. >> i understand. ainsley: i just wanted to clarify that because we love him so as far as court packing is concerned, she didn't answer the question, and joe biden didn't answer the question a week and a half ago, so i think we have that sound bite watch this. >> are you and joe biden going to pack the court if judge amy c oney barrett is confirmed? >> the american people are voting right now and it should be their decision. >> they'd like to know if you and joe biden are going to pack the supreme court if you don't get your way in this nomination. >> let's talk about packing. fifty people who president trump appointed to the court of appeals for a lifetime appointments, not one is black. >> i just want the record to reflect she never answered the question. ainsley: so does that mean they're definitely going to pack the court? >> unquestionably, and they don't want to admit it because they know it polls badly and they know it shows they are

engaging in a left wing power grab. ainsley: sorry to interrupt you, will you remind the audience why that is so important for our country if they pack the court how dangerous could that be? >> well, the court for 150 years has had nine justices. if you come in and the democrats and a partisan power grab increase it from nine to 11 or to 13, it turns the court into just another partisan body. it turns it into a football and it also starts the process of escalation. look if the democrats take it to 11, what it means is a practical matters the next time the republicans take the majority, we take it to 13 and it just starts escalating. the framers envision the supreme court as having independence as judicial body that followed the law and followed the constitution. it's not meant to be a political body. you know, we've seen a democratic president try to do this . fdr tried to pack the court and his own party said no that's too

much it be bad for the court and the country and justice ruth bader ginsburg before she died she was asked about packing the court and she said nine seem s like a good number it was a mistake when fdr tried to do it and it be a mistake now and justice ginsburg was right and joe and kamala just reminded me of that exchange on fracking also where they are trying to hide from the american people what their radical agenda is, and i think mike pence did an excellent job last night. i think he was calm, he was cool , he was collected he was focused on the substance and i think mike clearly won the debate last night. brian: i'll tell you what senator the other thing that came um is the breonna taylor case controversial to say the least we don't know all of the facts but the grand jury did and they came up with a verdict and the district attorney, the attorney general spoke about it. were you surprised that a former attorney general would come out against that verdict? >> no because it's consistent,

the democratic party right now is demagoguing on race and trying to inflame racial tensions and listen what happened to breonna taylor was horrible. she was an innocent woman who was killed and now it's not clear that the police did so on purpose. sometimes horrible accidents happen, i mean, they were executing a lawful warrant and were being fired upon, and they fired back, but that's an answer that has too much nuance and detail for today's democrats. any time there is a shooting involving the cops, where they go is demagogue, and i think that's consistent with the pattern and i will say this. kamala is a talented communicator. i think her answer on that and a number of other things had a lot of raw emotion and it had a real power to it and i think i don't think we should underestimate that. i also think though, a lot of her answers were very rehearsed

and where that came across, most clearly, was where she said repeatedly i'm speaking, i'm speaking, and it's clear, she practiced that frankly to prepare for being interrupted like president trump did in the first debate, and had it been someone aggressively interrupting that would have worked pretty well, as it was, mike pence is a pretty mild-map per guy and it looked wildly disproportion at. >> [laughter] >> i'm speaking like a ticked off first grader. steve: senator ted cruz we thank you very much. check out his new book called " one vote away" available everywhere. >> thank you very much and the book is number one on amazon best sellers right now. i think you'll enjoy it. steve: good job, sir. meanwhile what does former mayor pete buttigieg think of the decision to make the next presidential debate virtual? we're going to talk to him, live but first let's talk to sandra

smith live with what happens on the channel in 12 minutes. >> sandra: president trump breaking news moments ago saying he will not waste his time in debating virtually joe biden next week, reacting just moments after the debate commission announced that it would go virtual for the second presidential debate for safety reasons. brand new reaction coming up. plus mike pence, kamala harris battling it out on the debate stage last night a look back at some of the key moments from both candidates, and brand new numbers on the economy, larry kudlow will join us live. we will see you live, top of the hour. - i'm norm. - i'm szasz. [norm] and we live in columbia, missouri. we do consulting, but we also write. [szasz] we take care of ourselves constantly; it's important. we walk three to five times a week, a couple miles at a time. - we've both been taking prevagen for a little more than 11 years now. after about 30 days of taking it, we noticed clarity that we didn't notice before. - it's still helping me. i still notice a difference.

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president trump: they are trying to protect biden, everybody is. i think that i'm better to a point and i feel better than i did i jokingly said 20 years ago , i feel perfect. i'm the leader, and i can't be like biden where i hang out in a basement every day. sure if i wanted to hang out in a basement i wouldn't catch it but i meet a lot of people and i have to i'm the president of the country. i can't hang around in a basement. steve: fox news alert president obama t outraged over next week 's plan announced on the presidential debate and joe biden announces he will be there former democratic presidential candidate pete buttigieg helped kamala harris prepare for last night's debate. he's also the author of the new

book, called "trust" and he joins us right now from salt lake. mayor pete good morning to you. >> good morning thanks for having me on. steve: you bet and there's your book right there. so what do you make of the president saying if it's going to be virtual, it's not worth my time. >> well it's too bad. i don't know why the president won't participate in a debate. all of us have had to get used to virtual formats, right? parents are, you know, having to deal with e-learning which in some cases, is not what we're used to, well is always not what we're used to. we're having to take meetings over zoom. it's not something i think most of us enjoy but it's a safety measure, and i think part of why the u.s. is falling behind is badly behind the rest of the developed world on dealing with the pandemic is because every time there's been a choice between doing something in a way that's more safe or less safe, this president seems to push for less safe. i think it's also a reflection of the weakness of his campaign, when you see campaigns getting the kind of bad news that he's been getting through this month,

a lot of times you'll see these kinds of increased arguments overrules, withdrawing from opportunities, a little bit of flailing there and it's too bad because i think the more the american people can hear two candidates side by side even if it's virtual the better. of course the only reason we're here in the first place is that the president of the united states is still contagious as far as we know with a deadly disease which reflects the overall problem, and i don't know why you'd want to be in a room with other people if you were contagious with a deadly disease and you care about other people. steve: sure. >> maybe the president doesn't care about other people. steve: and the campaign, mayor pete, had said by then, he could have had a couple of negative tests we don't know at that point. it's all speculation, but let's talk a little bit about the debate last night. you prepared kamala harris. she seemed she well prepared. i understand you, in practicing, where you played mike pence, you threw every curve ball you could at her to get her ready. how did you get that fly to land

on his head? >> [laughter] i'll tell you that was the one thing that we weren't prepared for and you know, i was in the hall so i didn't even see it and it goes to show the difference between the experience and the energy where you're in the hall, and what gets the most attention on tv. i don't know who sent that fly in. i hope the fly is okay. steve: the fly has a twitter account now. mayor pete one thing that people are buzzing about today is why wouldn't she answer the question -- >> see what you did there? steve: why wouldn't she answer the question, will biden/harris move to pack the court? >> so i think what you're see ing is an effort to use that to distract from a much more immediate issue in front of us. look the american people believe that the winner of this election should choose the next supreme court justice, and senator harris and joe biden and for that matter, i, agree with the majority of the american people that that be the right thing to do. i mean remember we're not just talking about an election coming

up. we're talking about an election underway something like 5 million americans have already voted, and you know, there are real consequences to this. the affordable care act case is hitting the court in a matter of weeks. if it gets struck down pre- existing coverage gone. we just saw two conservative justices, justices alito and thomas i believe write a document where between the lines you can tell they want to overturn marriage equality. you had senator cruz on before his book is about the difference that one vote can make on the supreme court. my marriage exists by one vote on the supreme court. we've got some really important immediate things at stake right now in a debate coming before the senate in a matter of days, and we want to make sure that efforts to distract from that don't succeed, because this is one of the most important things that americans are voting on, when they're voting on who the next president is going to be. steve: sure we've had a number of guests from both side of the aisle this morning talking

about what they thought their representative, how well they did. what do you think kamala harris was particularly effective at last night? >> well i thought she was terrific. she was able to repeatedly hold vice president pence and donald trump accountable for their failures to protect the american people from the coronavirus. the fact that the vp is in charge of the task force and we're doing the worst of any country in the developed world. i also appreciated that she stood up for american troops. the president of the united states calling those who served suckers and losers saying he didn't understand what's in it for them while he was standing on the ground of -- steve: right but mayor pete you know the president has said -- knows what section 60 means. and the way he talked about folks like john mccain. steve: i hated to interrupt you but you know the president has denied that particular story? >> right but we know he's lying because even in the middle of -- steve: how do we know he's lying

>> well because part of his denial was he said i never called john mccain a loser and anybody with twitter can go see he did so to see he was lying in that part of his sentence but not another part this was a guy back when he was a wealthy young man in new york born to privilege thought to himself i'm going to let some sucker go to vietnam in my place and pretended to be disabled. if you really believe the president now on this kind of stuff, i've got a bridge to sell you. steve: all right do you think it has been an effective strategy and i know your side says that biden harris is ahead in the polls, for mr. biden and senator harris not to really speak to the press? i know when you were running for president, you know, you talked to all of the reporters every day. you think this is an effective strategy going forward? >> well of course, they are doing press, they are doing it in a way that's consistent with safety and consistent with the campaign strategy. obviously, it's a winning strategy in the sense that our campaign is winning and i think, you know, the really remarkable

thing happening now is how many republicans are coming to endorse joe biden? i think we're up to two former chairs of the rnc now and folks like cindy mccain really laying out the fact that you can either be a john mccain republican or you can be a donald trump republican. you got to pick one or the other, so, you know in terms of the coalition that's growing the democrats, the independents, and remarkable number of republicans all coming together saying they want joe biden to be the next president, i'd say this strategy is working pretty well. but we're not taking anything for granted, pushing hard, you'll see the president and the vice president joe biden and kamala harris traveling to swing states and campaigning safely because they respect the health and safety of those around them, but campaigning in-person as much as they safely can, to make sure we take no vote for granted. steve: all right, mayor pete buttigieg, once upon a time the mayor of south bend, indiana , ran for president, sir, thank you very much for joining

us here on fox & friends today. real pleasure. >> sure thing great to be with you. steve: there you go. well that's going to wrap up this very busy addition of fox & friends thank you very much for joining us, we're going to hand it over to america's news room, we'll see you back here tomorrow. >> sandra: sandra smith. >> trace: good morning, everyone. i'm trace gallagher. vice president mike pence and senator kamalais