>> neil: we'll see what happens. look at your health. get well, get better. very good seeing you again. you look fine. tom tillis republican of north carolina on the senate judiciary committee. now "the five." >> dana: hello. i'm dana perino with katie pavlich, greg gutfeld, jesse watters. this is "the five" in new york city. president trump is ready to rally. his campaign a understand knowing they will hold a make america great campaign rally monday night at 7:00 p.m. the president will have his first in-person event. tomorrow night he will do something else on law and order. president trump saying today he's feeling much better. >> i feel better now than i did

two weeks ago. it's crazy. i recovered immediately. i might not have recovered at all. i'm saying something that we will cure this now. a cure. without us, without trump administration, this would never have happened. we poured money into these cures and the vaccines. >> dana: the drama over the next presidential debate continues to boil over. the commission is refusing to budge on yesterday's decision to hold a remote town hall next week. the trump campaign saying just a few minutes ago, the format for the october 22nd debate will not change. so that one could still happen. if all sides involve manage to figure things out, the president is confident he will beat joe biden. >> i don't think the debates mean that much. i'll tell you why. i've done well with debates. i had 15. i think i won every one. i had to be rude. he was lying.he would say a series of things that are lying.

i'd say false. they say i interrupted him. if you look at the polls, most polls say i won. so i'd rather let him speak because he's gone. >> dana: there's so much to talk about, katie. take your pick there. which would you like to take a swat at? >> let's talk about the president getting back on the campaign trail hosting this event tomorrow. i know the narrative has been that if you get covid, it's a death sentence. the truth is that survival rate right now that we have all of these therapeutics and obviously the access the healthcare the president has, he's able to get back out on the campaign trail. when you're the president, you don't have the luxury of being sick. you have to get well as soon as possible. we all should be happy about that. in terms of the debates, it's a shame the town hall style debate is not happening. the president would benefit from that from hearing directly from undecided voters so long as they were undecided so the campaign

could see what issues that they should focus on in the remaining weeks. i would hope that they can come to some agreement and reschedule that town hall. i think the president needs another go-round with joe biden when it comes to the issues. as he said, maybe let joe biden speak more next time. so he can talk about his own policies. >> dana: jessica, the biden campaign, they've had to get out and about. biden's team was in arizona. they're going to nevada. they thought they had a big head start there. but do they think that that race is closing or tightening in those two states? is that why they had to go? >> no, don't think so. i think they're trying to expand the math. they're sending surrogates to places that they didn't think were possibly in place. we're talking about interm polling that shows that biden has an advantage in georgia. these are state that's no democrats thought that they had a chance at a year out from now. i think joe biden is being safe and responsible in terms of covid and how he's approaching this and going places where key

figures like cindy mccain are that he can campaign with her. she hold as lot of sway in arizona and places where he does need to win. nevada is interesting. he has done worse with the latino votes than bernie sanders did. bernie had the highest amount of latino support. so i don't think they're quaking in their boots, but they're playing to win and we know that no matter what size your polling lead is, the only polling that matters is election day. he's taking that seriously. quickly on the campaigning front for president trump. for him 0 to say i feel great, that video to seniors. they're not vulnerable. you're not. seniors are vulnerable. all the medical professionals are clear about this. i wish the president a speedy recovery. i would love to know if he doesn't have the virus anymore. they've been so evasive about when he last tested negative or if he has tested negative. the american people need to know that especially if he's coming to your town. >> dana: jesse, i imagine that

you think the trips to arizona and nevada are actually a sign of weakness by the biden team. >> jesse: you'd be right about that. i bet you $1,000 that trump -- >> dana: $1,000? >> jesse: georgia -- >> you get paid so much more than me. >> jesse: you get paid more than people think. i think they should be paying you. i've seen you on "outnumbered." there's no way that joe biden winning georgia. joe biden will lose arizona. he will lose florida. he will lose north carolina. probably tied 50/50 toss-up in nevada. i think trump is in the driver's seat. all he has to do is hold arizona, florida and north carolina and mid a midwestern rust belt state. joe is on the defensive. he's fighting to rebuilt the blue wall. the president is doing better than the polls say. these are suppression polls when

they oversample democrats by ten points or put a ton of lean democrats in the independents. i know how they cook the books. i look at the internals all day. they make it look like they did in 2016. they make it look like he has this huge lead and that socially makes independents think i'm going to go for the winner. that's not how it's going to turnout. the polls will tighten a week before so they does lose all credibility when trump wins. trump may even win the popular vote. you don't know how this will turn out. i guarantee a trump victory. i'll do it right here. i reserve the right to change that. >> dana: especially if we're putting money on it. >> jesse: yeah. >> dana: i was going to call you juan. but you're greg obviously. >> greg: hardly tell each other apart. >> dana: tell me your thinking on two issues. the idea of a remote debate. you said the other day that is worth doing or considering. the second thing, this flair-up

about the moderator that was supposed to be in the miami debate. steve skully from c span. the twitter thing that the commission said he was hacked. i know steve skully very well. seems out of character for him. your thoughts on that. >> greg: i am an expert in flare-ups. i think -- i don't know -- first of all, i said virtual debates are okaokay. i was lying. put the word "virtual in front of anything", it's lying. virtual candy is not so good. virtual concerts? that sucks. i hate them. you want to go on vacation, virtual vacation? pathetic. it's sad. so i think this is -- a virtual rally is the same. you need to have a real rally. you need a real debate. the problem here is that obviously the jury is still out. he claims his twitter is hacked.

i don't think there's ever been a case where somebody says that my twitter was hacked that it was hacked. isn't that always -- >> dana: remember joy reed? >> greg: yeah. they were blog posts. >> jesse: anthony wiener. >> greg: yeah. what hacked mean, it's an honest mistake and he was dm-ing somebody. that's why twitter is a terrible thing. one false key stroke and you're screwed. we don't know. that's not going to stop me from judging him harshly. because we wouldn't -- i wouldn't have a talking point. i think it's understandable to not -- to believe he tweeted that stuff because the media industry is 90% liberal "the five" we joke. it's about 96, 97% when you look at the registered voters and the media. so every moderator likes to

think they're moderate. that's the title. in their world, they're just like everybody else. in their industry, that i reflect that role and they're in that bubble. they're just more sophisticated and more esteemed. >> dana: and the -- >> greg: how would that be a hack tweet? it would be -- you put porn or -- >> jesse: that's the hack. >> dana: no matter who is going after you on twitter, the answer is don't respond. >> greg: that's the -- the point is, nobody hacks and does a boring things. they'll do a bit coin sell. >> jesse: why ask the mooch for advice on that? love the mooch. a full mooch. >> dana: up next, president trump going after joe biden while members of the squad try to pull the former v.p. further to the left. ♪ is that net carbs or total?...

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world country, not a third world country. >> jesse: proving trump's point, radical democrats including members of the squad unveiling their vision for america if joe biden wins in november. it includes defunding the police, free healthcare and cancelling student loan debt. dana, another manifesto. this looks more radical than the other one. i understand the reason why you want to get the far left excited, get them juiced for voting for joe biden. at the same time can't that turn off the voters in the rust belt that they need? >> i imagine jessica will say this is subo optimasuboptimal. if biden wins, that i'll say you're ours. if they lose, they'll say you didn't go far enough left. it's very smart for president trump to have that line of attack about kamala harris being the next in line.

i don't think she -- she did not have a great debate. that's fine. i don't think a lot of people walked away from that thinking wow, i want to change horses mid stream because i don't like her policies. in fact, there's some polling, it's amazing, how people feel better about every issue when it comes to do you feel better off four years now -- >> jesse: let's put that up there. 56% said they're better off than four years ago. usually those are indicative of the winner, greg. >> greg: i'm sorry. trying to write a joke. >> jesse: would you -- >> greg: i have some stuff to help. if these are things -- we talked about republican asks. they should go hard on this. if joe biden wins, the supreme court will be replaced by antifa. abortion will become legal to age 75. >> jesse: what? >> greg: here's the deal. i'm waiting for something big to

happen. don't you feel like there's -- i feel like -- >> dana: like the president getting coronavirus wasn't big enough. >> greg: you know why? we're in this two-hour movie and we're only at the 100th minute. we haven't hit the final twitch. so i wrote some finals. here's one. nancy pelosi is actually her son who runs a desolate motel and he's been disguised as her since the 1980s. living in the attic. donald trump turns out to be barack obama's father who has been secretly running the rebel alliance. >> jesse: oh, god. >> greg: after many accusations of mail-in fraud, one of the experts opens up a ballot box and finds gwyneth paltrow's head. finally, joe biden is actually kaiser sosa. >> are you okay, greg? >> jesse: potentially -- a

preview of one of these plots list, i think we're going to see hillary's e-mails before the election. didn't you get that out of mike pompeo today? we'll be talking about that later on in the show. >> i'll tell you later what mike pompeo said to dana. >> jesse: to greg's point, we don't know what is next. >> greg: can i name the movies i was referencing? the first is psycho. nancy pelosi. donald trump, that was star wars. remember? rebel alliance. the third was "7" when they find gwyneth paltrow's head in the box. the last one, "the suspect." >> i don't want to follow greg. hard to follow that. i don't have any movie references. movies will be made -- movies will be made about what's going on right now. the truth is stranger than fiction. there's a long way to go.

i know democrats still pretty confident about the polling, where they are. a long way to go. three weeks until election day. a lot can happen. >> jesse: squad manifesto, can that help or hurt? >> is it my time to bed wet? so the truth of the matter is that joe biden has not been -- he's like rubber and the glue thing. they have thrown so much stuff at him like you have dementia, you're a socialist. this is the advantage of being around in political life for 47 years. people know that joe biden isn't a socialist. i like his new tact of saying i beat bernie sanders. i beat him handedly. this was president like oh, he was within a couple points of me. so i think that the squad can do whatever they want. i appreciate the fact that aoc was on the climate task force and that he's bringing in younger members. nobody is now thinking oh, it's

not joe biden. ilana marr lives inside joe biden and going to pop out. there's my shout out to a movie. when you say the think about donald trump is barack obama's father. maybe people will stop saying he's not american. it's fine. >> jesse: it's fun. everything is fine. >> dana: we know what women mean when they say "fine." >> jessica, aoc has said we can push joe biden to the left. joe biden is going to hire a government, 30,000 people that he puts in to positions. he's going to appoint a cabinet. as dana said, the left will want something in wrong if joe biden wins because they're the ones swallowing the tough pill for voting for him. they want something for their loyalty for a candidate they're

not excited about. >> that doesn't change what will be president. >> they can push him around. >> you're not persuading millions of americans that say i know joe. that he's going to turn into a green new deal, medicare for all -- >> jesse: he did it in the primary. >> no, he didn't. >> jesse: sure. >> what are you talking about? >> jesse: trillion dollar tax increases, health insurance for illegals. >> greg: did you see his at the on the? >> jesse: the fed's stopped a plot to kidnap the governor. you can guess who she is blaming for it. ♪

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>> jessica: michigan governor

gretchen whitemire claiming the president is behind her attempts. >> the president won't stop attacking me. that is creating a dangerous situation for me and people in leadership roles trying to save lives across this country. >> jessica: i want to go to you first, katie. a big emphasize was about words matter. president trump had tweeted before liberate michigan. do you think that the president at this particular time certainly should have scaled back and not gotten into words with her and how accountable can we hold politicians for their words? >> katie: considering one of the ringleaders that was arrested in this operation out of the six men has a ranting video on the internet about how much he hates

donald trump and how president trump is a tire rant and how president trump is the enemy, this idea that gretchen whitmire would use a press conference and turn it political and try to accuse the president of being a white supremacist, engaging and emboldening these types of people when they're the opposite doesn't do anything to boost the narrative that the democrats are telling us about being unified and being civil. there's not a single trump reference in the all multipage indictment in any of the people arrested. she used this as a political opportunity instead of thanking people to make sure she was safe. >> jessica: dana, as a former press secretary, i want to keep the word angle with you. you had to choose your words carefully and were carrying the weight of the administration on your shoulders and representing what it is that needed to be communicated.

how do you feel about the current climate in terms of how little care it feels like people especially with social media take in what they say and you think this is a missed opportunity for the president especially being down in the polls, which are real, jesse, talk about it later and to rise above and called her and said i'm sorry, 13 dudes tried to kidnap you. my instincts would have been different. for example the only one that got it right is facebook who six months ago tipped off the fbi that this was happening. and said nothing. only when they were asked about it, they said yes, we tried to be cooperative with the fbi and tried to do the right thing. what gretchen whitemire could have said i'm grateful for the law enforcement and the state of michigan. that's it. i don't think it's necessary to antagonize the president and also he should have said we're

glad you're okay. i don't think it's a good idea for any of this to be hyping up the idea that you can get a bunch of attention if you want to plot something like this. you will ruin your life. the fbi will find you. you'll end up in this situation with these guys. now they're going to get lawyers, might be jail time. it's better to suppress it and say we're on top of it, guys. not give it so much attention. >> jessica: jesse, malitia men or terrorists? >> jesse: i don't know enough about what these guys were motivated by. years ago when i was a young lad, i joined the show. one of the first major stories we covered was the bernie bro that shot steve scalise. he almost died on the baseball feed. we all looked at the research packet that was a bernie volunte volunteer, a maddow fan. he poured over everything bernie

said. we had an opportunity to say do you lay this potential homicide on the door steps of bernie sanders? every single one of us on the show said no. bernie is not an accessory to this attempted murder. i thought, you know, i'm not a reckless bomb thrower. i was proud of myself. >> dana: that day. >> jesse: there's a line in this world where we discuss these issues that you shouldn't cross. we've seen the trump family get sent ricin, lapd officers almost executed point blank range. we have been very good to say i'm not blaming democratic poll situations for these types of violent acts. someone slip theres the shower and trump is to blame. so it's unfair what's going on from her. and the democrats were so upset with federal agents going in to portland to protect property and people, but now federal agents

are protecting their lives and they don't see the hypocrisy. >> jessica: because there isn't any. anarchists in so say you. >> greg: the stories the media embraces are the reverse. the same people that laughed off the looting and the rioting -- i mean laughing. they laughed about the black on black crime, saying looting and saying it's peaceful are the same people pointing at this story and go uh-huh, white supremacists. even the target is white. as you said, anarchists. so the media and the democrats by ignoring rampant violence that is going on in portland today and going on in wisconsin,

it's terrible what they did to the residents homes, throwing opens in people's home that could have children there. that is horrible. they plead with blm to stop. the protesters. they didn't. what i'm saying is the media and the democrats have lost the right to complain about any violence because they department say a word for three to four months. every time you hear that study that they cite, 93% of the protests were mostly peaceful and 7% not peaceful. 13 people in this band of weirdos out of 140 million is -- if you think 93% mostly peaceful is okay, you shouldn't have a problem with this crazy little band of kidnappers that succumbs to one out of 36 million odds. so you dug your hole. you're going to have to sit in it. >> jesse: sit in your hole. >> dana: i know we have to go. but ridiculing the knuckleheads,

the criminals and not giving them any -- not making it look like it's a cruel thing to be a part of this, they're -- >> greg: like antifa. what did chris cuomo say? they're anti-fascists. >> dana: it's a great message for anybody including the president to say -- >> greg: losers. >> katie: "the washington post" did a fashion piece on what antifa wears to their require yachts. >> jesse: all black. >> jessica: look what i'm wearing. >> greg: antifa. >> jessica: president trump sounding off over the latest developments concerning the durham probe. stay with us. ♪ at visionworks, we want you to feel safe and we want you to see yourself in your new glasses and think, "ooh!" but if you get home and your "ooh" is more of a "hmm..." you have 100 days to change your mind.

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>> katie: president trump furious or the origins of the russian investigation. here's the president. >> i think it's a disgrace. it's an embarrassment. i'll probably be disappointed. this stuff should have come out a year agony way. these people have to be brought to justice. they should have been brought to justice before the election. if we don't win this election, if we don't win, that whole thing will be dismissed. if bill barr made that statement, i would be disappointed in him. >> katie: president trump is demanding the state department releases hillary clinton's e-mails. secretary of state mike pompeo said to stay tuned. >> we have the e-mails. we're getting them out. going to get this information out so the american people can see it. we'll get the information out that needs to get out. we'll do it in a way that protects the intelligence sources to protect. i think there will be more to see before the electioelection.

>> katie: dana, more to see. >> dana: one of the thing i asked mike pompeo and he said on rush limbaugh today, he doesn't care if there's classified information in there. if the president wants them out, he has the power and authority to declassify all of this and say get it out. that is -- he has the power to do that. he doesn't. i think it's because what secretary pompeo was alluding to. apparently it seems that in these e-mails there's classified information that might have sources and methods and you tonight want to hurt anybody. that was the sense i got from mike pompeo. a lot of people say this is so old, why are we talking about this? yeah, if the shoe were on the other foot, you can bet we'd be talking about it. >> katie: the question whether the durham probe will be finished and there's indictments for all has been swirling since 2019. they were setback by

coronavirus, weren't able to get a grand jury. back and forth when you investigate these people about documents that their attorneys are refusing to hand over. this is a lengthy, drawn-out fight. the president is frustrated that he hasn't seen much from durham at this point. >> jesse: yeah, the grant jury lost about four to five months when the china virus came. from what we expand, the probe is expanding and they're taking grand jury testimony. honestly, i don't know. i believe there will be indictments. from what i here from john durham, he seems like a stand-up guy who takes him time and won't put out a shoddy report or indiet somebody that he can't put behind bars. so i understand maybe barr not wanting to do something in october because he doesn't want it to look too political but donald trump has a point. you can have biden win and they just dismiss durham, they clear house and drop it.

is that obstruction? a republican did that, that would be obstruction. democrats i guess constitutionally you're allowed to do it. >> katie: that can replace the u.s. attorneys. greg, your thoughts about the durham report taking longer than people would like. >> greg: mike pompeo will be on my show. one day. one day he will be on. >> dana: just ask. >> greg: too busy to ask. i'll have my people talk to his people. i'm wondering where are the tick tick boom boom people now. you remember them on twitter or maddow? it's incredible how solid two or three years that's all you got. like it's going to happen now. it's going to explode. just wait. who is the dude? i like him. that was the dude that was doing the tick tick crap all the time. it never came until now. this is the actual boom. all of them are in their bunkers plugging their ears because they don't want to hear it. there should be some kind of weird retribution for the media

that pushed this and they should be taken to a large stadium, socially distanced and forced to watch all of their coverage. have some refreshments. they have to watch their coverage and feel the shame. we're not doing a fraction of what they're doing. >> jesse: can't we put them in a hole? >> greg: that's taken out of context. >> katie: it will be guaranteed. jessica, all of a sudden we have this valid documentation that this was cooked up by hillary clinton, john brennan was involved. they're going to tie candidate trump to this russia conspiracy. the media had bomb shells with anonymous sourcing. now we have documents and evidence and the media doesn't want to talk about it and nancy pelosi is distracting pointing

out the 25th amendment. >> jessica: i don't think that what is 25th amendment is. that's a basic troll. people should love it when nancy pelosi does it. as these documents that have me down in the hole or on baby seat or whatever,'s been consistent that i'm not afraid of this. i looked to an interview with john brennan who has an explanation what is going on in those documents. >> jesse: what is that explanation -- >> katie: it wasn't illegal. >> jessica: it's being distorted by bipartisans that want an october surprise. the obama-biden administration wasn't doing anything wrong. there was a good reason to start the russian investigation -- >> jesse: what that was? >> jessica: there were people like mike flynn talking to

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♪ >> greg: do you see yourself as a competitive person, dana? >> dana: i'm not competitive at all but i love to win. >> greg: you're a closet competitor. what about you, jesse? i don't think you're that competitive. >> jesse: every time i look at the ratings saturday night, i'm like "gutfeld." now, i'm fine. everything is fine. >> greg: everything is fine. jessica? >> jessica: i'm more competitive than i think i am. i acknowledge a level of competitiveness and i realize i

look at cable news. it's just brunch. >> greg: katie. >> katie: i was an athlete. naturally competitive. >> greg: same here. for me to compete, i have to find something to compete against. all right. this is good. if you had to get a tattoo tomorrow, what would you get and where would you put it? jesse? >> jesse: i couldn't be visible, so i'd put it somewhere where the sun doesn't shine. it might be -- >> greg: you're a nudist. i shouldn't have said that. >> jesse: i did one thing one time. what would it say? "lock her up?" after the recent revelations, hey. it's too big of a stretch. >> greg: katie. >> jessica: i could never get a tattoo. i'm board.

>> greg: the novelty would wear off. >> dana: i'm afraid of the pain. i wound never get one. if we did -- >> greg: we know who it would be. >> dana: jasper. >> greg: my tattoo would be jasper with a be big no crosses through it. right across my belly. >> jesse: that is disgusting. >> greg: jessica? >> jessica: i used to with my best friend. we said we would get a matching freckle. how people had friendship bracelets. neither of us would do it. >> greg: continue get a mole. it could change. last question. what is your weirdest about? jessica in. >> jessica: that's not fair. weirdest habit. other jesse go first. >> jesse: i don't think anything i do is weird. >> greg: i think i that's weird. >> jesse: i don't do weird things. you do weird stuff.

i don't do weird stuff. i'm really -- i don't -- i'm actually the most normal person on this channel. >> greg: that's a pretty low bar. dan that? >> dana: i think the fact that i have a problem with noises is a little weird. >> greg: katie? >> katie: my weirdest thing is getting nervous for fan mail friday. >> jessica: i've got it now. every night i spray my pillow with lavender spray. i have ear plugs and i wear them. >> katie: you had to think about that? >> jessica: there's other stuff, too. i'm leading with that. >> jesse: wow. you spray your pillow with lavender? >> jessica: it's so relaxing. it helps you stay -- i'm a light sleeper. >> jesse: i need that lavender.

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he climbed to the top of the building at 28 minutes and said he had to stop a few timed chalk his feet. >> katie: will not see you back here on monday, that is it for us. >> bret: good evening, i'm bret baier. breaking tonight and we are following the storm track of hurricane delta as it closes in on the louisiana coast, we will have life team coverage first. president trump says he's feeling great and is eager to get back on the road following his bout with covid-19. his campaign says he will appear at a rally monday, he is also expected to show up at a white house event tomorrow -- he participated in what was billed as the largest virtual rally in history on the radio this afternoon with rush limbaugh. it came as house speaker nancy pelosi begins what could be a constitutional