♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ hello america i'm mark levin and this is life, liberty and levin. we have a great guest, the governor of the third most popular state of florida, ron desantis. how are you sir. >> i'm doing great sir how are you. >> doing very, very well. there are a lot of topics i want to cover with you from coronavirus to criminal justice reform, but first the campaign, presidential and federal campaigns.

florida is a key state. everyone knows that. john mccain lost florida, mitt romney lost florida, the establishment didn't do so well. they lost to obama. president trump one florida against hillary clinton. how does it look in florida right now. >> it's interesting. when he beat hillary clinton there were more registered democra democrats now it's less than a hundred and 80000 differential and we think it may be closer to 150,000. whatever it is in that range, it will be the closest republicans have ever been to democrats in florida in the history of the state. that's a testament to folks looking to florida as a place to find greener pastures. we see people fed up with high taxes in illinois or the northeast and they come down. i do think many are

registering as republican because i think they understand we've had a laboratory of democracy in this country with the state doing different approaches and florida has been more successful. i think the president is facing an electric more inclined to vote for him in 2020 than the one that he successfully convinced to vote for him in 2016. mark: it looks like he has significant support in the hispanic community among cubans, venezuelans, puerto ricans, the president of puerto rico just endorsed president trump. >> that's correct. if you look at miami-dade county he will probably cut the deficit in half and that will be on the backs of an energized and for juveniles cuban american population and

many hispanics from latin and central america. i also think what ho has helped him is how left-wing the democratic party has gone on these issues. voters in southern florida are very concerned about that. either they had their lives upended or their parents or grandparents lives upended by dictators in venezuela and nicaragua. i think the president has been strong on those issues and you will see that result in the polls. i know we'll talk about this later, some of the unrest we've seen in the street across the country. you have people like biden who were silent, people like kamala harris who was bailing out minneapolis rioters and almost cheering this on. that is unacceptable to many voters and the president has smartly been in favor of law and order. i think that will paid

evidenc dividends. when the protest was breaking out and the writing was breaking out in june, in florida we were, i called up the national guard and we have other people ready but miami-dade county, they got a republican county mayor and he had everybody there. they had had riots in the 80s and didn't want to go through it again. we were able to handle it and that just shows you the leadership matters. i think you will benefit in south florida and i think that will be really good. if you look at him winning florida in 2016 with such a deficit in miami-dade, if you would've told anyone before the election deficit would be that big they would say there's no way he could win and he was bringing out voters people had never seen in florida before. if he holds those voters the improvement in miami-dade will put him in a really good position. mark: i go to florida every now and then. i have a family there and a home there as well. i sense a lot of excitement

there. maybe it's anecdotal but the people who come up to me unlike virginia and other locations they are really riled up and chomping at the bit to vote on election day. >> i think so. the demographics are good for him in florida. many are very energized. if you think about the 2016 presidential primary in florida, i know it's not necessarily the same as the general electorate but he won 66 out of 67 counties against the sitting senator in florida. you also had senator cruz who was a formidable candidate. it was a massive sweep. i think he has a strong base of support but also he's delivered on a lot of issues that are important to floridians. we talked about how he's been strong against dictators in latin america. he's been the most successful president in terms of supporting israel and bringing a more peaceful environment to the middle east that we've seen, certainly in my lifetime, if you look at

what's happened to isis and how he stood up against iran and pulled out of the iran deal and we now have arab countries making peace with israel. they are overcoming historic prejudices because they understand israel in the united states are what's right with the middle east and ran was wrong. i think you've seen him lead time and time again. then issues specific to florida that he has let on, he supported us with hurricane response and relief and has done a lot on the everglades. we are a state that people love to vote in fish and you need to have really good waterways and high water quality. he has helped us improve that. we made a lot of strides there. i think a lot of stuff is generally with what he's done but i do think he's delivered specifically for florida in a way that voters recognize. mark: you describe the president who is involved in day-to-day activities, who wants to be responsible to the

states and tries to fill the gap where he can and use federal power wherever constitutional allows to support your state and others. i don't think this gets enough attention. before we dig heavily into the coronavirus, because you have done things that are really quite remarkable that other states have not done, before we do that, my question is early on when this virus broke out everybody was worried about the crews ships that come to florida and so forth. you have a lot of senior citizens in florida. wewas his staff responsive and helpful? tell us about that. >> without question. if you look at the logistical feet they were able to accomplish, those early days of course things were very scarce and they delivered really for all the states. the president worked in a bipartisan way. he was helping democratic governors.

it didn't matter about party. he absolutely did a lot for the state of florida. just this week for example i was in the villages which is a senior community and i was delivering 15 minute rapid tests for them to be able to have if they want to get tested, if they have family visiting, you can do it and get the result. the federal government bought 150 million of those and they're distributing it free to all the states. we are now getting 400,000 a week and focusing on our senior citizens since they are more vulnerable to disease. if you look at the innovation that's been sparred, he did not want bureaucracy to hold any of this back. he partnered with the private sector. i think it's put us in a much better position to handle this going forward, not just with the testing but with some of the antivirals coming out and that's not even talking about the vaccine. he has been 70 who would not take no for an answer and he wouldn't let the bureaucracy

grind everything to a halt. i think that's really important because you can have the right policy, you can make the right decision but if they don't get executed it's not going to amount to very much. he was very intense on not letting the bureaucracy hold things up. >> but there's this biden harris media democrat narrative that he didn't get off the mark fast enough which i think is outrageous, particularly considering how the democrats conducted themselves. your governor configure the executive of florida. you're dealing with this day in and day out getting dirt under your fingernail. did you find the president and the administration getting off the mark quickly to determine what you need and he would do whatever he could to provide it. >> the president for sure. in fact i was one of the few governors to call at the end of january for stopping the flights from china. he did that shortly thereafter. biden and harrison all the democrats said it was a knee-jerk reaction.

they accused him of being bigoted for doing it. it was the right decision, very early on in the process and then as we got into february you have a lot of people were now criticizing him, they were downplaying this, saying go to chinatown, do all these things, even into march you have that so i think this was something he responded to very early. there was also a lot of things wouldn't quite know. we saw these images out of china where people were just dropping dead in the street. that obviously is not how the disease actually works. we started to see that in italy and other places. there was a lot of uncertainty about the burden on the hospital, who was vulnerable and as data came in it was clear this was more concentrated in terms of negative effect on our elderly and so as they got that the president was very responsive to it. he acted very early and went a lot of people really weren't talking about coronavirus. i think a lot of this is unfair. when joe biden says he would've done all these things

, joe biden was holding big campaign rallies the second week of march. he wasn't calling for anything. the democrats had a presidential primary debate at the end of february. coronavirus wasn't even discussed at that debate. some of this is just revision history. one of the really negative things about this is just how partisan it has been, particularly with the media. they have really used it as a weapon against the president because i basely there very much opposed to the president. that's just not how you deal with the pandemic. at some point you have to put the partisanship aside and work together to try to do what's best for the country. i don't think the president was partisan about it at all. in fact i know he was sending huge amounts of resources to democrat states in the northeast without even blinking an eye. the partisanship never entered into it at all. >> yes or no question, nancy pelosi, speaker of the house, she likes to say she's number two in-line to the presidency, she has a lot of power and

spending authority begins in the house. did nancy pelosi ever pick up the phone and say governor, i'm the speaker of the house, let's unite and fight, what can i do to help? yes or no.

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welcome back america. governor ron desantis of florid florida, you have addressed the coronavirus in a very unique way, a very successful way, quite different from governor cuomo and murphy and witmer and irksome. why don't we discussed that a little. go ahead. >> sure, what we did is really three main things. one is protect those who are the most vulnerable. that's our elderly population and focus that protection there rather than trying to suppress the society as a whole. second is we wanted to make sure our hospital system had what they needed in terms of ppe, medication, testing and we were able to do that. third, i think this is really important, we wanted to society to function. you can't burn down the village in order to save it.

you can't kneecap your own society and think you're going to successfully handle a pandemic so if you look now fort florida is open for business. we have theme parks, all that has been open for months. we have kids in school in person, parents have the option to opt for virtual if they want but they have in person which is very important. all of those things are very important. in terms of folks being protected who are vulnerable, in the middle of march we prohibited hospitals from discharging ill patients with coronavirus back into nursing homes because many were not equipped to handle that. so what we did instead as we established a lot of covid only nursing units throughout the state so if you had someone test positive in a nursing home but they weren't ill enough to need hospitalization they had a safe place to be isolated in and likewise if they were in the hospital no longer needed that, they had a safe place they could be discharged without endangering the other patients. we've also done a lot in terms of ppe for people in nursing

homes and a whole bunch with testing. one of the things we've understood mark, and sometimes because this is a new process with this virus we try to understand what the effects of the medication but i was always willing to look at things we had done and reevaluate if it wasn't working out right away. one of the problems we had in terms of some of the restrictions with nursing homes was we stopped the visitation early on. we didn't want the disease to get in. i think most of the people one of that done. after months of this, he started to see loneliness and despair creep in. we moved in it that point, i convened a task force, we brought visitation back into the nursing home and the odd thing is since we've done that the cases in the nursing home have gone down dramatically anything part of the reason is because i think the staff performs better when the families are able to come in, no one cares more about the condition than the families and the loved ones but we are in a situation where we were

spending and transcending ipads to people so they could do facetime, and look that's just not the same as being there in person. the human connection is something we understood so we balanced it and started going in that direction. it has been successful and i think a lot of people are very happy. you also look at having society function, the people who say we should not have kids in school are the flat earth's of our day. there's no scientific basis at this point to not have in person instruction. we know this is less dangerous for school-age kids than seasonal influenza. we also know for whatever reason school-age kids are not significant vectors of spreading the disease. europe has studied this and they almost always find it's the adult infecting the kid. from a public health perspectiv perspective, shutting schools due to almost nothing in terms of dealing with covid-19 but it causes catastrophic damage to the

development of a lot of our youth. we have affluent people who are doing their own thing, tutoring pods and all that and god bless them, i don't begrudge them doing that. we have a lot of blue-collar and low income families that need to have their kids in school and if not given an opportunity the regression is just going to be absolutely catastrophic. so, in july we knew the school year was coming up. i work with my education commissioner to say okay, parents need to have the option to get their kids back in school. mind you this was at the height of the outbreak in the sunbelt and most of the public opinion was very much against allowing in-person instruction because i think some people thought the kids were more at risk than they were and a lot of people just instinctively view schools as germ factory. it's just not true for whatever reason with coronavirus, but when you're a leader you can't just go by the polls, you have to do

what's right and so we put in motion a process where these school districts would have to offer in person instruction. did not force parents to utilize that they wanted to do the remote, they were certainly able to continue to do that, but you know now we have 67 districts that are in person and have been, many of them have been since the beginning of august, certainly i think all but a few since the end of august. it's not just florida, anywhere throughout the united states you've not seen significant incidents of covid so we have the impersonal schooling, sports, all that stuff is going on. take that away from kids is really damaging. >> on the president of the united states says we need to open our society, we need to send their kids back to school, he doesn't have the power under our federal constitution to reach into school districts and do this. what he's trying to encourage and prod, particularly blue

state governors, open your cities, open your towns, open your states, open your schools, he's right. >> absolutely. in fact the british medical journal just put out a study where they said the society wide lockdown may reduce peak icu usage but it ends up leading to more mortality. and so we think okay we never had them overrun anywhere in the country, even new york city they never use the javits center or the ship so why would you want to do something so harmful that will end up leading to even more covert mortality and of course as you know when you close society, part of that is your displacing people, causing businesses to fail, people are losing job but it also contributes to the fear and anxiety.

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ongoing pandemic. now back to "life, liberty & levin". for all of your headlines you can log on to foxnews .com. mark: welcome back. he said i'm going to follow the science and if the science says to shut down the economy i'm going to shut down the economy. is that the wise thing to do, is what th what is that what the science tells us to do? >> for one thing, i think what we've seen is when people in the media say follow the science and the scientists, they have their own narrative and they picked the scientists who buttress their narrative but they don't recognize there are a lot of eminent scientists who flatly disagree with that approach. in fact, i had a number of folks from stanford and harvard medical at a zoom roundtable in florida and they

all agreed, these are very, very renowned scientist, they all agreed that the lockdown are catastrophic and absently should not be repeated. when you say i'm going to listen to scientist, are you having the actual broad range of viewpoints or are you only listening to people in the bureaucracy, but then also it's not your job to let a bureaucrat or scientist to policy. you take that into account but you've got a look at a lot of other factors in society to see how that would affect. for example if they're going to say close businesses,", what are the results of that going to be. when you say you're going to let a scientist determine that i don't know that you're doing your job as an elected official. here's another important point. as a constitutionalist, you know, the president theoretically can't just shut down the economy. he would rely on state or local instructions or orders, and that's true, but at the same time i can tell you if he has the cdc issue draconian guidelines, that will absolutely be a death blow to

the economy because there's a lot of businesses that are not going to be able to function with things like that out there. i don't even think he needs to necessarily follow suit if he's intent on closing, i think he can get a lot there just by doing advisory guidelines because i saw how the people reacted in the 15 days that slowed the spread in march. it was a seachange in terms of how business responded to that. >> and my concern is joe biden , last time around in 2009, i don't know if he followed the signs or not, but his own chief of staff said their response to the swine flu was an absolute disaster. by the time they got a vaccine it was very late. you had tens of millions of americans who had the swine flu and they were very lucky it wasn't as lethal as the coronavirus which is very lethal and he said he had a

plan to deal with that he would've acted earlier but as you point out they didn't even bring it up in the early march debate so he wouldn't of acted earlier. we don't know what he would've done because it's not specific. i actually think this president has done an enormously good job, pulling together industry, the sectors, the governors, mayors trying to deal with something we've never seen before. ouch he says don't wear a mask in the scientists were baffled by this, how would you rate the president's response. >> he has worked very hard on us. just look, think about, he doesn't win with some of these people. wheremember he was saying there was going to be a million ventilators that were needed. the president immediately marshaled private industry. now, fortunately the disease wasn't as lethal in the broader population so you

didn't have as much need for that. now he's criticized for moving on the ventilator issue to make sure we had what we needed. it's almost like no matter, you could walk on water across the potomac and newspapers like the washington post newspapers will be that he can't swim. a lot of this is partisanship. if you look time after time he was able to deliver for my state. mark: i want to talk to you about mortality rates versus what you did in your state and cuomo did in his state. you'd took a completely different position on nursing home. cuomo put out a memorandum. i have it. he took it off the website on march 25 in which he ordered coronavirus patients and then nursing homes and assisted living, even though they had plenty of beds elsewhere, i had a call on my radio show by one of these medical dir directors and said this is a

disaster, it will kill people. you took the opposite position. i noticed joe by biden hasn't criticized them of their policy. can you make comparisons on the data state new york and new jersey. >> i don't get just florida. if you look at all the belt states we had an outbreak over the summer. other states outside the northeast, there seems to be things you can do to help protect those most at risk but the one thing we know that will lead to significant increases in mortality is if you take the nursing home patients and force them back into nursing homes it spreads. other states had lower

mortality but our mortality. capita is less than half then what some of those states are. i think that's the reason they're so high because of that policy. if you don't do that, that's a large part of it and i believe you do focus protection on the folks more multiple rather than trying to suppress society as a whole. the idea that somebody who's 18 years old, that should be our focus when there's close to zero risk for that if they don't have any comorbidity doesn't make a lot of sense. i think it leads to more mortality in the elderly population when you do it that way. >> the last figure i saw was that 40% of those who have perished as a result of this virus were in nursing homes or assisted living facilities or facilities of that sort which would mean over 80000. a handful were in heavily populated states, blue states

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welcome back. governor ron desantis of florida, i have not seen the violence and looting and arson that we've seen in other cities and states that are much smaller, with smaller populations and even in some cases smaller cities. what did you do? >> we took it very seriously from the beginning. we worked collaboratively with our local officials. i called up the national guard. we also have florida highway patrol that has quick response teams met was partially to to not let them take over

roadways and things like that. we also work with folks like the mayor of miami-dade county and he agreed we can't allow this to happen and so we had the people out there, we backed law enforcement and the result is you didn't have kenosha or minneapolis in the state of florida. people don't want to tolerate this kind of stuff and that was one of the reasons why i proposed a lot of sweeping reform. i know you want to talk about that because we were able to handle it, but i don't want to be in a position every time someone gets upset about something that a business owner has to worry about whether their store will be burned down or people have to be worried about whether they or their families will be in jeopardy. that's not a way to live. >> the president talks about law and order. he's limited on what he can do in cities and states. the governor has maximum power when it comes to cities and what's taking place in their states.

what you have seem to symbolizsymbolizes a lawn order governor who is all in favor of peaceful protest but if you're going to be violent you're going to put it down. it appears you have mayors of that same mindset working with you and as you say you called up the national bu national guard when necessary. what you think happened in these other states. they have these radical crackpot mayors or something. >> no, i think it's a failure of leadership. what you had was the political leadership actually telling law enforcement to standdown and basically you're letting a lot of this crazed mob habits way and the results have been catastrophic. the proposal i put out tries to address some of this. we have a provision in our bill that says, if you have a local official who advocates responsibility to protect life or property tell law

enforcement to standdown. we are waving sovereign immunity and if you're armed or your business or property is harmed you can sue the municipality. i think that's appropriate. were also going to go in florida in the direction of any municipalities that want to defund law enforcement, we will withhold state funding. we will not let them cut off their nose to spite their face and put their citizen at risk. i also think it's important and we will propose this as well that if people are doing things throwing bricks at police officers, molotov cocktails, doing all these things that they're actually held accountable in places like portland they will get arrested, they do their mug shot and in their back on the streets the next night doing the same stuff. that's not acceptable. we are proposing mandatory jail time for people guilty of these offenses involving writing or looting and also having them not have bail when they get arrested. they have their first appearance and will be a presumption against that going forward. you start doing that and actually providing penalties,

then i think will dry up but what's happened in some of the cities where they advocated their duty is the mob knew it could get away with it so just keeps going. once you send that signal you will get more mob violence and disorder summer taking opposite approach. we been able to handle it but i think we need more reinforcements and to let the men and women of law enforcement know we got there back. >> it's really amazing, you're one of the most a ethnically and racially diverse states in the country if not the most diverse, getting more diverse by the day. you didn't have violence breaking out all over your state come he didn't trash law enforcement, you backed law enforcement, as you say you brought up national guard and the state police, you were going to tolerate violence with looting and arson, you now circling back when legislature comes back after the election with the whole bill of particulars to get past the even further

reinforcement, and people speak with their feet, florida is not the populating. new york is the populating, new jersey, illinois, even california is losing population but florida is getting thousands of new people coming into the state every single day and even when we talk to people they say where we going to go, let's go to florida. isn't florida, under your leadership and the leadership of others a quintessentially conservative fleet fiscally run state, isn't it basically that and following law enforcement. >> absolutely. we believe in law and order. we believe in low taxes. we believe in education. we have more school choice here in florida than anywhere else in the country. i've also been able to take a liberal supreme court that i inherited and transform them to the most conservative supreme court in the country as a result of my appointment.

we worked collaboratively with law enforcement. one important point is when you talk about how diverse it is, when you stand up for law enforcement, you're standing up for diversity. we have a huge percentage of law enforcement that are african american and hispanic. their lives matter to and they're putting their lives on the line for us. i think we've approached in a good way. ultimately people vote with their feet. if you have disorder come if you have chaos, if you have time high taxes, all the bad things we've seen in other parts of the country, people will then leave. the fact that people are coming here is a testament that were fiscally responsible but were also very supportive of the law & order society. that's what p p p p p

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that is governor, you have transformed your recorder into a constitutional score. you see what's going on in washington. there's obviously a vacancy, the senate easily considers the person reject the person the democrats are making trying to make it an issue

that we should wait till after the goats no president in american history under any of the circumstances. 22 presidents have had a shot at it. 29 instances, we all did the same thing including abraham lincoln. and now they're talking about popular corporate what is your take on that? >> what i think the president made a great selection. i think judge barrett will be outstanding i think she will be confirmed for as you know the constitution does not set the number of non-christian be changed by statute. the question is what we legitimately do it in the eyes the public simply to pack it with left-wing activists. if they were to go in that direction, and i think they are because if they were

wooden invited and harris say we don't support that, it's not popular with the public and the fact that they don't answer tells me that's what they want to do. if you will be fundamentally illegitimate to do it and i think it would really end up harming the portland and any credits relied on the courts target social policy for decades. they do this i wonder to what extent the court as an institution is really going to be able to survive in its current form. >> this is exactly what castro would do. he would increase the number of judges, staff it with his operatives and push the agenda in other words they want to not just supreme court but destroy the judiciary. also talked about stacking the senate with four new democrats, look at what you

hear, governor is fundamentally alter the way we conduct business in this country, turned inside out, gruff our furniture generation. you agree with me is probably the most important national election since the civil war election? >> i think it is. in 16 iconic leakages when not we would be in good shape left-wing in our country has gotten so radicalized over the last four years the stakes of the election are much higher than even 2060 and if we go in the direction where we have vitamin humor will do exactly what you said the strangely easy estate. you know you would need to change the constitution. you can't do it by statute but they will pack the supreme court, have left-wing justices who will rubberstamp that.

we were looking at substantial changes to the underpinning of the election. it's not just that your taxes will go up from your taxes will go up there will be a change in the character of your institution have their way to change in the federal government's treats the states and localities. it will devour the rezoning rules, school decisions, transportation decisions, though all be federalized. the entire nature of the republic will be completely destroyed. governor, your bright light, your state district, i want to thank you for coming on. >> let us know when you register in florida. we would love to have you. >> it may be very soon. god bless you. a live bookkeeper is helping customize quickbooks for me. okay, you're all set up. thanks!

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welcome back. all america senior citizens. people said more peopl senior citizens are voting for quite a team then the trump pens team. senior citizens have led longer lives. do we care about the constitution? do we care about keeping the supreme court, don't care about the two-party system with checks and balances? do we care about our healthcare system, do we care about the nationstate securing our order? do we care about our police officers and how to protect our military, how they protect us from china and iran and north korea and russia, do we believe in the capitalist

systems we revere our founders in the declaration of independence, don't we believe our children should be taught about 1776 rather 161930 grizzly people as possible in other words the american experiment that this is country in the face of the earth because let me tell you something that's what's at stake in this election. the 110 page five in sanders communist manifesto, each and every life is an attack on this republic. i revere this republic don't you, the system that defeated fascism and communism and all kinds of isms, we have the greatest country mankind has ever created. it is up to us to pass this country under our children and grandchildren the idea that we

would support most radical parties and radical candidates in american history is very deeply concerning credits i don't believe they're going to do that. see you next time on life, liberty ambience. >> good evening and welcome to "the next revolution". this is the home of positive populism pro-work, pro-family, pro-community, and especially pro-america. tonight we have all the latest on the election. tommy roos and rob smith have been with us for the hour. senator marsha blackburn joins us as we look ahead to the hearing for amy comey barrett. i want to start with an urgent warning, the election is three weeks away. the media, the most biased and dishonest i have ever seen in my life anywhere in an all-out war against trump and his suppor