are asking for. >> neil: we will see, the message is clear. it would be kind of dead on arrival in the senate. things change. ♪ >> jesse: hello, everybody, i am jesse watters along with emily compagno, juan williams, dana perino and greg gutfeld. in new york city, this is "the five." twitter and facebook have some serious explaining to do after censoring and blocking people for sharing an explosive new york post report about hunter biden's alleged emails and his foreign business dealings. twitter going as far as suspending the trump campaign's account and the personal account for white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany pay twitter ceo admitting the company screwed up. that's not going to cut it. president trump sounding off on

this major controversy, earlier. >> he and his family are crooked but they were caught, they got caught and now they are being protected but i'll tell you what, he really is just a corrupt politician. i'm going to say it more and more and facebook and try to shut us down. you know what? everybody knows it. you don't have a kid who gets thrown out of the military, his father becomes a vice president and now this kid is going into every country, walking away with millions of dollars from every country with no talent, no skills, no expertise and the press doesn't want to cover it because they are corrupt. >> jesse: republicans are ready to haul the heads of twitter and facebook in front of congress. >> this is election interference and we are 19 days out, it has no precedent in the history of democracy. >> nobody in twitter and social media. >> an attempt to rig an election which is what we are seeing here

by monopolies is unprecedented in american history. they have a lot to answer for and i will subpoena both twitter and facebook. >> jesse: all right, mr. williams, as a lifelong journalist and someone who values free speech, freedom of the press, you must be upset by the actions taken by these social media companies. these are colleagues of ours, new york post reporters in the same building. it's not right, is it? >> juan: i'm upset that the white house is trying to compel a private business to do its bidding. to say oh, yeah, you are a private business but we want you to give us a platform for this unverified information, it's actually political mudslinging and if you don't do it -- >> you are blaming trump for the scandal? >> juan: trump is the one who thinks it is --

speech to "the new york post" story by reporters who do a good job got shut down by monopolies in silicon valley. a journalist should care about that. >> juan: if you said to me that the administration was in fact saying this is the story and here it is and the press made a decision, the press made a decision here. >> jesse: the press or facebook and twitter? >> juan: a moment ago you were asking me as a journalist and not as the executive director of facebook and twitter. the president and politicians should not be telling them what to do, that's wrong but if you are talking about our colleagues then i think, listen, the fact is as confirmed by republican senate committee, joe biden was trying to get burisma -- >> jesse: yesterday you said there was no meeting. and then today, politico says

the biting campaign would not rule out the possibility that the former vp had some kind of informal action with the burisma executives. >> juan: i believe the trump campaign had a meeting with the russians in trump tower and you want to say this is a possibility meaning somehow evidence of wrongdoing? >> jesse: what i'm saying is his son sold access. >> juan: no he didn't. speech you and then got paid for it end biden fired the prosecutor. >> juan: what we know is that in fact in the emails, again, these could be falsified emails, could be rushing this information, we don't know because they won't give us the actual emails. what we know is, we can't -- >> jesse: lets go, greg, anything you want to respond to? >> greg: four years ago it was access hollywood, now it's

accessed joe biden. i am ticked off about covid because we are not having halloween and i finally found my halloween costume which is hunter biden. very easy, shirtless, sunglasses and a little crack pipe hanging out of your lip. i find it funny that we are now calling this unverified mudslinging as if that matters after the dossier, the russian collusion, the -- it's interesting, this guy if he had been helpful, he would be called the whistle-blower. because this is helpful to trump, he's a nutcase. the fact is the media could have done something about this. they could have made some phone calls. instead of this story exploding in being about the suppression of a story it could have been about verifying these emails. let's find out if it's true. let's face it, they didn't

really scrutinize the origins of the tax returns, i don't think jack at twitter was worried about that when that story came out but we will let this happen but it's weird. biden's camp, their reaction to this is so muted. they haven't demanded a retraction, they haven't tried to, instead he calls a lid, retreated under his bed again waiting for his ovaltine. what is this telling you? it's probably true and it's really easy if you are a journalist, start making phone calls. call the ukrainian business guy, there are people that can verify emails. that's a story, too late, now you look like you're running for cover. >> juan: you know who could verify? rudy giuliani, steve bannon and they won't give you the actual emails.

i am saying -- >> jesse: maybe they will give them to you. >> juan: go after those sources but i'm just telling you, you can't find the emails. >> jesse: you actually have to see an email, that's your standard? the company has to actually hold the email in your hand in order to verify that it's true? that's a high standard you will never meet. emily, juan was saying a couple minutes ago that these companies can do whatever they want. they can't do whatever they wanted and now the fcc is saying we are going to look at rule 230 that allows them the world that they lead into beaches publishers, they can just put it out there and not edit it and not tweak it and now that's jeopardized and so is a lot of money. >> emily: that's absolutely right. they are bound by regulations as well as their own terms and conditions and there are multiple government agencies that are investigating them but the goal of diversion has been totally achieved. we are talking about big tack and the continued pattern of muting conservative voices rather than those emails.

in the notion of against this information and misinformation i think it's important to remember that four days before this president was inaugurated, then-outgoing vice president biden was in ukraine for the sixth time in seven years and after russia invaded crime may have ukraine became a top priority for the administration. his former defense policy said it was our top priority, one of the top three and biden was front and center so the concept that these emails definitely don't raise at least a question of unethical conflict of interest is utterly fall. >> jesse: let's get dana in here. it did seem to backfire. the fact that they censored it, i think i saw a report that now six times more people have seen this story because of the controversy. >> dana: i felt like last night when jack dorsey of

twitter put out his statement trying to explain away things that they didn't have good communication that he was writing twitter's death sentence. he said "we have a communications problem, we have a p.r. problem." when an executive, your congressman, abbas, says there's a communications problem, 99% of the time you have a problem. i'm not saying these issues aren't complex, they are. let's say something came to "the daily briefing" and it was about don jr. and it was fishy kind of, what, i wouldn't run it. but if it did run, if i were at don jr. people, what i say "that story is not true, don't spread around." that gets back to what mark zuckerberg told me a year ago, he doesn't think social media companies would be the arbiter of truth and it would be better to allow the story out there and for

journalists to do what they do which is track it down and in the marketplace on social media, blasted away. on the other side think about what the left has tried to do to social media company since 2016. they believe that social media companies made donald trump's election possible because they didn't do enough to fight back against russian interference. it is going to have its day in court, the court of public opinion and in the senate. i will mention one other thing, what twitter did was preposterous, just so over-the-top, they do not have a clear policy, they went way overboard. blocking the trump campaign's twitter account? blocking the press secretary's twitter account? this is absurd. facebook is slightly more defense of all you see something something like this, get a third

party to check it. have they done it before? there was an accusation that antifa was starting the wildfires in oregon, they suppressed that story so they could do a fact-check. in a situation like this where you have emails you can't get and a situation where the story already went around the world 600 times it's really impossible to see how they could do this to scale and it could happen to any of us. >> jesse: it could happen to me, you are saying? >> greg: it already has, check your email. >> jesse: why should they open themselves to be a platform for dirty -- >> jesse: it's a political story in a campaign. >> greg: twitter has this hypocrisy, suppression versus application. they amplify if they agree,

nobody cared about "the washington post" story on the covington kids until somebody exposed it but then suppression is only one way, they only suppress the stories that might hurt them. >> juan: we are doing the story, "new york times," "the washington post," everybody has the story today and said the story can be verified. >> jesse: we don't take "the new york times" saying we can't verify that story, they run anonymous sources all the time, this is actually hard from a physical evidence with video and the vice president on tape saying "i didn't give him the billion until he fired the prosecutor. coming up, liberals melting down over nbc hosting a trump town hall. the reaction coming up. ♪ [ thunder rumbles ]

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♪ >> dana: nbc facing some major backlash from just about every angle, staffers at the company, democrats and even opposing networks are outraged at the news outlet has hosted in a town hall for president trump because it will be competing with the joe biden town hall at the same time. here are some of the reaction. >> why on earth would nbc agree to do that? you could give equal time at a different time, you don't have to do it at the same time and divide the country further by having them choose. this is an outright embarrassing ratings ploy on behalf of nbc and i am shocked and surprised that they would allow the president of the united states to do their programming and manipulate them into doing this.

it is embarrassing. >> dana: the president weeding "i will be doing a major nbc nee tonight, they asked me to do it" i wonder if they will treat me as well as sleepy joe? they should. when it comes to nbc's decision, it's all fair in love and war. >> greg: cnn gave so much, what you call, earned media to trump? they elected trump. they have no say about morality, whatever. if cable can counter-program, soaking candidates. he is the master of counter-programming. i have a suggestion for him, he should, during his town hall, have a screen with biden's town hall and do a little mystery science theater, get people to cut some tape that he can immediately respond to. it's going to be a crazy night

but again, trump somehow always ends up being right, the thing proves that it was rigged. when the moderator is going to anthony scaramucci for advice, that would be like right before the debate finding that scully went to rudy giuliani. people would have been screaming their heads off. lastly, i do think, it kind of lends itself to the problem with these debates, they portray liberal moderators as conventional, objective moderators. they aren't. you need a straight wrath and you have the candidates ask each other questions. joe asks trump, trump asks to joe and you have a wreck because you can't seem to get a

moderator who is not liberal. i don't know why, i'm available. >> dana: [laughs] >> greg: she laughed. you laughed again. >> dana: tonight was supposed to be the biggest debate. one thought of any easier? >> jesse: the debate commission really messed up and made a virtual one trump would have been recovered and been able to debate joe finds her now we have these debates about whose town hall is right. it's going to be a hornets nest in miami with the president, they are going to stack the deck with so-called independent undecided voters, they are going to do it again and that's fine, the president will label be able to handle himself but steve scully lied to everybody, he lied to her colleagues, he had people vouching for him on twitter, friends of his that have been working in the business for many years. he lied to his boss and his credibility is shot. to be able to say, yeah, i got

hacked and think you could pull that off? that guy who made that decision was moderating a presidential debate, that should scare you. >> dana: and emily, there is also such a thing as a recording device called a dvr, you should always dvr "the five." if people want to watch both they can record one. >> emily: it doesn't vanish forever. interesting that according to the president, nbc called him. according to nbc, don leman and everyone else, this was the president's machination and it's all his fault. it's interesting that a lot of people, prominent actors saying this is an echo chamber of misinformation but i thought it was a town hall and that goes to your point about how if town halls are what how they are provided then absolutely it's an echo chamber but that's not how they are supposed to be, they are supposed to be thoughtful

questions that elicit thoughtful answers so the notion that this is somehow taking away from the american people learning more about candidate president trump in this arena is false. >> dana: how are you going to watch both, one? >> juan: i might flip back and forth with the baseball game. i am a little bit puzzled by what i'm hearing because as i recall it was president trump who pulled out of the debate. it was, all right, but it was president trump who chose not to debate tonight. it's a debate. in other words, the town hall format favors biden? i don't think so, they selected people based on undecided, there aren't that many undecideds in the country. the second thing i find puzzling that i'm hearing on set is that somehow steve scully is biased because he's talking to anthony scaramucci who was hired and

worked on was a friend of president trump. the point is, you call anyone in the universe for ideas, scully was being attacked twice by name by the president, now the mistake was that scully lied about it and i think he's terrific, i've known them for a long time, i'm sorry that he put himself in that position, that was his error and now it's apologized but to suggest he is somehow biased -- >> dana: it might be a good thing that twitter wrote his death sentence yesterday, good thing for all of us very coming up next, the biting campaign warning supporters that the race is a lot closer than people realize. ♪ help us with achievable steps along the way... ...so we can spend a bit now, knowing we're prepared for the future. surprise! we renovated the guest room,

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♪ >> juan: we are just 19 days away from the big november election day and voter enthusiasm is off the charts, 70 million americans have already cast ballots, democrats appear to hold the edge in early voting but the biting campaign is worried that there's going to be a tight race. the campaign manager tweeting "there is a long way to go in this campaign and we think this race is far closer than folks on this web site thing. like, a lot closer." is this what dana and i call bedwetting democrats, is jennifer o'malley dillon sending the right message, avoid complacency? >> jesse: you guys are going to lose. you haven't hit your numbers, florida registration deadline is over and they are underperforming big time. also you say they are leading an early mail in voting. not in ohio, wisconsin, and michigan. it's tied and republicans are over performing democrats in michigan. that just means democrats are just cannibalizing their

election day voting. i don't see all of these mail-in votes as a sign of enthusiasm for democrats. i see it as a sign of fear for going into the polls and potentially catching coronavirus and that's on them. we are going to look back on this weekend to see this is the week that change the dynamic of the campaign. trump recovered from the virus, went back out and started doing rallies again, barrett is sailing through and big tech is interfering and suppressing the vote. the republican base is very energized, gallup says the majority of the american people think trump is going to win, they say they are better off than they were four years ago and he's doing rallies, the last rally, half the people weren't even republicans, a combination of independence, democrats and new voters. things are looking very good for the trump campaign, they are very happy about what they are seeing and i think the democrats should be scared. >> juan: well, i don't know what you're drinking.

greg, democratic turnout looks like it's through the roof in this early process, "wall street journal" has biden up by 11. >> greg: i don't know, whatever happens, i'm going to tell you i will be watching tucker tonight because i hear he has a treasure trove of new hunter biden emails and i can't wait. i'm not watching the town hall, screw that. i'm watching tucker, 8:00, fox news. i want this to be decisive and i know this sounds very selfish on my part. if biden wins i wanted to be huge end of trump wins i wanted to be huge because i don't want my neighborhood destroyed and the nypd are already talking about what they're going to have to deal with and it sounds like it's going to be a lot worse than what we saw in june and there's not much they can do about it and i just feel that the more indecisive or murky the results are the worse it's going to be for this city and a lot of cities because for some reason,

i love voter enthusiasm. i think it's great, it's the mental anguish and instability that we seem to just say okay, it's okay to go out in the street because you feel bad and break things and break people's heads and it just, these public tantrums that we somehow approve of, that's what bothers me. go out and vote but leave me the hell alone. >> juan: everyone i think assumed that president obama was going to come out in the final stretch. >> emily: what i think was more surprising in telling was his silence in the whole beginning on the notion that he told joe biden not to run. the messaging from his campaign is to be expected, frankly, right? if voters feel is going to be a blowout they might stay at home so it behooves them to encourage voters to go out there and break a certain type.

most importantly, we know the final in 2016, especially in wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, trump won all three and to your point about how early voting shows the republicans ahead, right now public policy shows biden ahead. clearly the trump voters are being under-counted and given that in those states especially, white over the age of 30 noncollege-educated voters have risen by 10% down to the democratic margin has decreased by 10% to just six points, all of those are what is telling. >> juan: let me pick up on that, g.o.p. looks like they are registering more new voters but karl rove today, our friend at "the wall street journal" said last time trump got an inside straight, this time he's going to need a royal flush. >> dana: that's a great quote. he said there's not a lot of time but i was able to ask karl today about those new registered voters and i think republicans

if you're looking for a silver lining outside of some of the polls you might see, it is the new registered voters, there's over a million or something out there. president trump won wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania by very slim margins. if you add a million voters to the roll in those battleground states are going to have a lot more cushion because a newly registered voter is 99% likely to vote that year. >> juan: democrats continue to criticize judge amy county barrett and the supreme court confirmation process. we are going to talk about that next right here on "the five." ♪

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♪ >> greg: judge amy county barrett's confirmation to the supreme court is just about a done deal but that's not stopping democrats from whining

about the process. >> this process is a caricature of illegitimacy. >> it's going to create a lot of bad will that doesn't need to be created. >> i believe this rushed, sham process is a disservice to our committee. >> this is a sham. >> i don't know how we get this train back on track but this nomination this moment in time is not usual, not normal and it's beneath the dignity of this country. >> greg: i will go to you first, dana, and i hope the massage you have was therapeutic. >> dana: the commercial break massages are very good, get that in your contract. >> greg: how do we completely destroy the liberal embrace of diversity? whenever it's a woman that is being nominated for everything it's you go girl unless it's not there woman. >> dana: she will never be on the cover of elle magazine. >> greg: isn't the whole gender issue a big lie? >> dana: yes.

>> greg: thank you very much, i rest my case. >> dana: can i make another point? i think one of the things we are looking at is this confirmation is going so smoothly. when did the cavanaugh stuff come up? after this process. at this point over the next few days during the counter-process. i have no indication they are going to do anything like that but don't sleep on it, it might happen. a lot of their outrageousness was already out there and just became white noise. i want to point out an example, in the hearing, you remember ted kennedy's speech, in this case because, i guess maybe people are so desensitized to the stuff, cory booker, the senator of new jersey argued that justice barrett, women who had miscarriages could be subject to investigation to ensure they hadn't had an abortion. this is a speech that he gives on the floor.

it's inflammatory but richard blumenthal also says that in vitro fertilization can be criticized under judge barrett even though she says there's nothing in her record or public statements to suggest that's remotely possible. i agree. i don't agree that it's a sham. when dick durbin says, how do we get this back on track? you've got to have to go to tango here and that kind of language is not going to help. >> greg: emily, have you been watching the hearings and what is your impression of this as a lawyer? >> emily: i have so many thoughts on this. >> greg: keep it to a few. >> juan>> emily: i will start wh how "the washington post" praised her general pattern of evasiveness which is just deference for ongoing cases or going down these hypothetical traps. we have to intellectually acknowledge it if she were comment and was confirmed and

before her a case came on one of those issues, have to country would clamor for a certain result and she'd have to resend yourself, obviously. the notion that a judge is neutral and objective, what is before them is a closed universe. that's how they remain neutral and objective and that's why all the senators trying to find the chinks in her armor when they kept failing. they refused to parse out merit issues for procedural and whether the plaintiff met the burden so when senator coons was talking which i can barely tolerate listening to and he said she would be a judicial activist, an originalist is the opposite end senator klobuchar proved that point when she brought up justice thomas' opinion in the defamation case with bill cosby. it was basically, she thought it was restricting freedom of the press but his point was the constitution doesn't make up an actual standard so why should we? they are about deconstructing

judicial tests and not constructing them. final point, the fastest, most minimal way for social change or protecting and safeguarding minority rights is through legislation. so all of this misguided responsibility these guys keep placing on the judge's shoulders to do it is so misplaced and all these expert testimonies, lives will depend on it, no it doesn't but it's good she was saying in front of the lawmakers because that's who needs to hear it. >> greg: perry mason in a pink dress, juan. >> juan: our own perry mason. the bottom line in my mind, nobody watching this process thinks this has been fair, thorough and considered for a lifetime appointed to the supreme court. this woman is so evasive she won't even say a legitimate transfer of power is to be respected by the president and to dana's point about it takes two to tango, yes. so maybe you should have tangled with merrick garland.

maybe you shouldn't have played that game and skewed it so badly that people now say this is just a brutal act of political terror. that's what is going on and they have undermined credibility not only in this process but in the supreme court. that's damaging. >> dana: of hillary clinton had won that election everybody would be saying mitch mcconnell had made the biggest mistake of his political career. >> juan: he made the same mistake by undermining a legitimate nominee of twice-elected president. >> jesse: wants that it was a brutal act of political terror. one, only i'm allowed to talk like that. >> juan: i'm sorry. >> jesse: after the cavanaug brt kavanaugh bloodbath this was a bubble bath. i do give democrats some credit, they were pretty professional, they conducted themselves well but i didn't like being lectured about the guy who lied about being in vietnam or the senator that drove around with a chinese

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okay, that's cool, maybe we will do christmas. we get around to christmas, you're not going to do that. my. my brother-in-law passed away last thursday, there's going to be no funeral. i'm not going to complain about it because there are thousands of people who missed out on funerals of their loved ones. and it's like, you just kind of go okay, pick up the urn, that's what you do. it's crazy. we have to start think about what is a country are we willing to give up? >> jesse: if fauci comes for christmas he's going to have a problem with me. the war on christmas is a very serious thing. starting after easter, and i was going for thanksgiving. juan will be celebrating it with his family, his grandchildren and that will be his "one more thing" on black friday. you're not going to keep families apart from each other. i get it but enough. i understand cases are rising. two reasons.

one, 700,000 a month, we just now are over a million a month and also people are going back to work, they are going about their lives, you're going to see the cases go up at the deaths have remained below 1,000 daily deaths since august and that's a good thing with a vaccine around the corner. >> emily: dana, greg mentioned volunteering. i'm worried about the underserved communities that usually can look forward to this swell of help and assistance on thanksgiving, is this going to be detrimental for those guys? >> dana: i'm not thinking too far ahead about thanksgiving because i was hoping that we would have one of those rapid tests available by thanksgiving that would be affordable that everybody in the family could take in the morning and everybody could feel very comfortable. the price point might not be what you would want to end availability. i would tell you, i am pretty even killed person, i have a lot of anxiety about the economy, a lot, i'm actually frightened because congress is now going to

go campaign, the president's team says there is nothing more we can do here on a covid relief bill, they might try to do one e and the lame duck because that means december. 8 million more people under the poverty line. people that are on food stamps because they lost their jobs and their pride is hurt and i don't see anybody doing anything to get businesses back end of these business owners that tried so hard to do it outside, it's going to get cold and people aren't going to be outside in the rain and i am scared for the first time in a long time, i am worried about the economy and i wish that congress and the president could get together and get it done. >> emily: amen. juan, what are your thoughts? >> juan: i don't think anybody is taking anything away from any of us, we had to be concerned especially if thanksgiving means you are getting together with elderly parents or grandparents, you don't want to put people at risk unnecessarily and what i see is that the numbers in europe are now rising to the point they are talking about the second wave end numbers are rising in this country, even

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♪ 's before it's time now for "one more thing." i will go first. before the last presidential debate kicks off, our friends at fox super 6 are doing another presidential game. >> is that a hotel? >> jesse: close. you can choose what may or may not happen when the candidates face off. this time you can choose one of the questions that we use in the game.

go to the fox super 6 twitter handle, submit your question by 12:00 tonight -- friday, octobe. america's question will be announced on the fox bed super e added into the final $50,000 contest which launches october 16th. download the app tonight to see if your question becomes america's question, then enter for a chance to win 50 grand from our friends at fox bet. >> i'm doing it. i would like to think i'm america's question. >> jesse: you are america's question. >> riddle. all right, huge milestone, entering his 20th year as a fox sports nfl analyst and what a way to celebrate. the pro football hall of famer is on call for the most anticipated match up the weekend, aaron rodgers and the green bay packers face-off with tom brady and the tampa bay buccaneers. these two hall of famer's are meeting for only the third time in their careers and it's going

to be one heck of a game. >> this is one of those games you expect to have playoff implications. and i know green bay will be in the playoffs, tampa bay will be as well. week six in the nfl, this a lot on the line. >> tune into america's game of the week this sunday on fox. my money is squarely on the packers, by the way. >> jesse: all go to the other side. >> great. that sounds like a personal thing. >> its not! whatever. >> i want to give a big congratulations to over the lovely couple they got married last weekend, they got married in the most beautiful orthodox greek ceremony. it was actually chanted in greek, greg. greek to you. the reception was in a barn on a 100-acre private farm. congrats to emily and alex and

two weddings and a year of coronavirus. >> do we have more about the landers, please? >> we are not related but i want to give a very big shout out to a family friend, joey johnson in thermopolis wyoming. i bet you are all watching out there and you are in my though thoughts. >> all right, this opening is for you. it's a bird, it's a plane. no, it's a giant vulture! take a look at this vulture as it guides paraglider's to the mountains of southern spain. as you see, the vulture is leading them on the best screen for a smooth flight through the mountains. you should know the bread has been trained to do this, paraglider instructor calls it para-hawking. it is now a tourist attraction in asia, parts of europe. the whole thing reminds me of a movie, "avatar," in which the

heroes rode birds into combat. i did this at an amusement park with the grandkids. >> but if you crash, the bird eats you. speak of meat when he's done. >> "special report" up next with bret. >> bret: thanks, breaking tonight, president trump and joe biden go head-to-head but the election still 19 days away. tonight, the president and his challenger, joe biden, will compete for tv audiences in separate town hall events on different networks. these meetings were set up after a virtual debate that was scheduled for this evening, was canceled. there is also news about the canceled debate's moderator tonight. also both members of the democratic ticket are in the same area as people in that campaign test positive for the coronavirus. earlier to