volume since the start of the covid-19 outbreak and that is good news. >> here we go into the holidays were a lot more folks will be traveling, 3:00 p.m. trump rally today. great to be with you. "outnumbered" starts right now. to be wanted is 15 days away and counting to election day, the biden campaign is renewed criticism over its ties to big tech companies after his transitions team hired a top facebook executive and reportedly brought in our twitter executive. this as social media giants are facing backlash for blocking a new york post report on -- >> joe biden is and always has been a corrupt politician. he always has been. and as far as i'm concerned, the biden family is a criminal

enterprise paid >> harris: meanwhile the former vice president lashed out at a reporter who asked about that new york post report i just mentioned. watch. >> [inaudible question] >> i know you'd ask it. i have no response, it's another smear campaign. >> harris: you are watching "outnumbered," i'm harris faulkner. here today, host of kennedy, on fox business, kennedy herself. katie pavlich is here and syndicated radio host and fox news contributor leslie marshall. and the end of the center of virtual seat, house oversight committee chairman and fox news contributor formerly of congress, now with our family, jason chaffetz. great to see you. we are in the final stretch, 15 days and big tech is playing a big role. your thoughts? >> jason: it's interesting, donald trump did as much as anybody to help grow twitter and

facebook, his social media presence, he was speaking unfiltered and that's where the horde of trump supporter's mind. but i've got to tell you, what they are also seeing, what america is seeing is the hypocrisy under the double standard and the editing and filtering of donald trump and his ability to go out and self-message. and legitimate news organizations, the new york post, having their account days before an election shut down in a legitimate news story that ise report, i've got to tell you, i think congress is going to take action. i also think the ftc should take action. a lot of focus on the fcc but the ftc should go after twitter and facebook. they are misleading consumers. those people cannot actually see what you're putting out and that is deception and that is a

federal trade commission issue. >> harris: that is fascinating, a whole new lane of federalized on this for jason chaffetz. leslie marshall, how important is social media right now to either or both of these candidates bicycles before i would say hardly at all, harris. millions of people have already voted, really tight race, except for a small sliver of people who are undecided the country has made up their minds. twitter actually turned more attention to this article by banning it so i don't know if that helped or hurt anybody there. but there are people, even people i know who are trump supporter's, whether they are republicans or not they are trump supporter's and they say, a guy who is legally blind and had a laptop brought into his shops where swears it was hunter biden's, gives it to rudy giuliani, by the way, this is

not an issue voters care about, it's not in the top three, five, ten or even 20 of what is a concern among voters on both sides of the aisle. so i don't think this is going to do anything. >> harris: you know, kennedy, as you are hearing what leslie is saying, to follow the facts on our own and source the story and do all that, i was not aware that twitter or facebook or any of those social giants did those jobs internally, i didn't realize they had a brain room and an editorial meeting every day and who should kill which story. >> kennedy: yeah, i also don't like the propaganda line about how this is just a smear campaign therefore you should ignore all the facts. maybe it is a smear campaign, and maybe all of it is true and what is true could be incredibly problematic for the former vice president who has a great

shot at being our next president. and if hunter biden's laptop had been stolen, don't you think joe biden and hunter biden would be standing at the top of the empire state building screaming about the injustice end of the crime that had been committed against them? absolutely, if these emails were not altered by hunter biden, don't you think there would be vociferous denial about them from the campaign? they certainly would be. there are elements to the story that are weird which is why you need other journalists and other sources instead of trying to ignore it, trying to get to the bottom of that. that is incredibly critical because the things joe biden has been accused of in light of this are as bad, if not worse, than what president trump has been accused of and he was a sitting vice president, he was not a private citizen. >> katie: yeah, you know, there are big questions about vice president joe biden's

behavior because if he were to be the president of the united states there are some tough decisions he has to make when it comes to foreign adversaries, specifically china and when he has all these family ties allegedly taking money from the chinese communist party end and on the record statement repeatedly that china isn't a threat to the united states, that brings into the question where he would be in terms of making decisions about how to handle china in a future pandemic, in trade wars, militarily when they take over pieces of autonomous property and land like hong kong. those are big questions. leslie says this doesn't matter to the american voters. hillary clinton's corruption wasn't a top polling issue either and this is very similar in the sense of washington, d.c., politicians who've been in d.c. for decades selling out the family name, selling out taxpayers in order to gain access and take money from foreign governments and not

just any foreign governments but russia, the mayor of moscow's wife, there will be a special counsel investigation about that and the chinese communist party which has proven to be a threat to not just the united states in the world, so the bigger question of how joe biden would handle these issues as president considering his alleged behavior as vice president. >> harris: director of national intelligence john ratcliffe was speaking on whether hunter biden's alleged laptop is part of the russian disinformation campaign. here he is. >> it's funny that some of the people that complain the most about intelligence being politicized are the ones politicizing intelligence. let me be clear, the intelligence community doesn't believe that because there's no intelligence that supports that and we have shared no intelligence with any other member of congress that hunter biden's laptop is part of some russian disinformation campaign,

it's simply not true. >> harris: jason? >> jason: well, i believe john ratcliffe. i also wonder whether the department of justice, a lot of this, why in the world they are not doing anything? i think they need to answer senator johnson's question about the authenticity of that laptop and the contents but what speaks even bigger volumes is the lack of denial by the biden family as they are nowhere in saying this is not true, nor is there campaign denying that it is true and i remember, harris, they put donald trump jr. on the cover of ""time" magazine, it said "caugt red handed" for a 20 minute nothing meeting in this media with a senate report with actual emails, more evidence and we ever saw against the donald trump, because there was no evidence in the trump case and they don't say boo, they asked barely a question of donald trump and he loses control and can even ask answer

that question. it's infuriating, the lack of media, the lack of department of justice and the double standard, it is just driving people -- >> harris: you know what, if the panel will allow a quick follow-up for jason, you mentioned, where is the doj. you heard the president say these things need to be looked into, attorney general bill barr, where is he on this, do we know? >> jason: i don't know but according to the story and how this all went down, the department of justice has had this for some five months or so. it begs the question, did they do anything with it, do they interview anybody, do they look into it? if there are emails flying across the internet they can go find those in a heartbeat. i've got to tell you, for them to say nothing and do nothing is really wrong, it needs to be flushed out and attorney general barr and director wray should answer these questions immediately.

>> harris: leslie, does joe biden, now, put a lid on his campaign through thursday because that's the next debate, does he need to prepare himself for questions about this and what should some of the answers look like, does he take on the issue of the emails which you hear the panel say they are not taking an issue with that, what is the issue with joe to for joe biden and how does he handle it? >> leslie: there are a couple of things, harris, and first of all, absolutely. both vice president pence and senator kamala harris at the vp debate, i don't think both of them were very clear on the questions that i thought were pretty common sense were going to be thrown out. this is going to be asked of him, donald trump and his camp have already said even if the moderator doesn't put it out there they are going to find a way to put it out there and joe biden has to be prepared for that and joe biden has to dial down the emotion with this

because right frankly, the american people have a right to hear his answers on this but the american people also have a right to hear, if you research a bit more, the calendar of the former vice president on certain things that are said in emails, when you look at the remarks of people on his staff who have never heard of an individual mention on this email, it is in fact hunter biden's laptop, are these emails accurate? he needs to speak to that end he needs to answer the question because quite frankly whether it is a reporter or somebody in the trump campaign or trump himself, >> harris: when this came up in the first debate, he got upset over b beau biden so perhs

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would, too, on stimulus, so let's see what happens. >> harris: president trump on the likelihood of passing a coronavirus stimulus package before election day, house speaker nancy pelosi has set a deadline on the white house cutting a deadline. steven mnuchin, the lead white house negotiator are set to talk again this afternoon. over the weekend the speaker confirmed she is not spoke with the president in a year but she added this. >> let me say without the two of us speaking person to person but through the presidents intermediaries we were able and that period of time to pass a huge omnibus bill to keep government open. it has to be person to person between the the president. >> harris: in fact, the last time president trump and nancy pelosi spoke was during this contentious white house

meeting last october after democrats launch their impeachment inquiry, remember that picture. jason, talk to me about the actual getting things done, the process if you will, two weeks to go, those people who desperately need it, who haven't had checks since even before august, what is it look like if they passed something right now? >> well, i think the democrats have taken a position that scorched earth is good for their election prospects, they want the electorate to think that donald trump is unhinged and can't do certain things. i don't think the democrats have any desire to have a check drop in the mailbox right as voters are going to the polls. i think she's always game planned this out, this is my own personal guests, game planned this out that something would happen after election day. i think chief of staff mark meadows and secretary mnuchin

have had a very much calming effect, mark meadows understands the house and not just nancy pelosi but a lot of the other key players, he has a real calming effect there. i think what the republicans have asked for, just put out a clean bill, we can have a higher number but stop putting in all these superfluous things that have nothing to do with covid relief, absolutely nothing to do with that, give us a bill that gives money directly to the people and put the money in the wallets of people that need it by get rid of all these other things that nancy pelosi is asking for but that's been a heavy lift for the speaker thus far. >> harris: for those people waiting for che want a simple answer. if it passes in the next 24 hours when to check start to drop? >> jason: after election day. >> harris: after. there is no way to get this done before election day? katie? >> jason: i don't think nancy pelosi is going to let that happen. >> katie: yeah, there's ways to get it passed if it were to

be voted on and passed but there's not a way i don't think to get the money into it, physical checks to people anyway. i don't know if they are talking about direct deposit. the issue of nancy pelosi not meeting with president trump are speeding speaking with him for a year, lets her mother why she hasn't done that. president trump forced nancy pelosi to negotiate in front of the cameras and in front of the american people, to bring in the press corps and have these long streaming meetings with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer, he wanted everyone to see what they were talking about and what democrats and republicans wanted to do with taxpayer money, so she doesn't like negotiating in front of the cameras for everybody to see. another thing and jason chaffetz touch on this, the reason this has failed repeatedly is because nancy pelosi has repeatedly put in a number of bills like cash bail, banning of voter i.d. across the entire country, knowing that republicans wouldn't go for it and in terms of the costs here, i'm really

happy that republicans are willing to say, we are going to hold off on spending more taxpayer money when we still have a lot of stimulus package that we did earlier this year take give out because the money they are sending out is money that's paid by people that are already working, business owners trying to pay their employees and they are handing it out like it's some government bucket when this is hard-earned money from real people who are still running the economy so i think it's good republicans are trying to get the price tag down considering it's double what president obama's first initial stimulus package was. >> harris: how much did it play a role in the president said he was going to stop negotiations a couple weeks ago, did that put more pressure on democrats to get something done once he came back to the table? >> no, i don't think so. quite frankly, democrats and nancy pelosi have been very clear that there are two

sticking points. i would agree with katie and jason, don't faint, it happens rarely. and i would agree that it needs to be a clean bill about what the american people want, not just democrats, if they want the $600 in addition to their unemployment, in their states that want additional help from the federal government to do to the pandemic, those are two issues nancy pelosi is constantly said she will not back down on and those are two of the big issues that are sticking points between democrats and republicans. it's not just nancy pelosi saying she won't play, if you will, it's republicans as well and let's be honest, we are just weeks away from an election and neither side wants the other side to win but neither side should want the american people to lose and sadly even if they come to an agreement today we are not going to see that money until after the election so it's kind of too late already and i think this is not going to be

something the voters are going to be voting about because it's not going to be decision and certainly not going to be a check in their mailbox or their bank account. >> harris: you got right to my point. kennedy, it is just swamptastic, though swampin swampiness of it. >> kennedy: you need your waders to get through d.c. at this point. if you have a bunch of unfunded obligations before the pandemic then you don't get this relief money, i'm sorry. if you were mismanaging your estate beforehand, then you don't get bail out now, i'm sorry. it has to go to the people who have not been able to go back to work or people who have not been able to run their businesses. those of the people, the individuals who should get help, not these massive corporations

who are always benefiting first. first in line, the people who are starving and need it and these in congress need to find a way to streamline the process. >> harris: i get it. i live with guinea pigs, by the way, i have a little idea of what you are talking about. after the contentious first debate, the trump campaign says the president made take a different approach against joe biden on thursday. what does that mean? and is it a good idea? ♪ veteran homeowners: why refinance now?

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>> harris: quick check of the headlines now, tsa announcing it's screened more than 1 million air travelers just yesterday and more than 6 million over the past week. both of those numbers the most since the pandemic in march. however, tsa says passenger volume is well below prepandemic levels and wildfires are forcing evacuations in utah and colorado, no deaths or injuries are reported but at least 26 homes in colorado have been destroyed. in chicago, 36 people were shot over the weekend, seven of them died including a 15-year-old boy.

♪ >> kennedy: a top advisor for the trump campaign signaling the president may tone it down at the next and final debate thursday night and give joe biden more time to explain himself at that advisor says the president won't shy away from bringing up the reports on hunter biden's emails if the debate moderator does not. watch. >> well, if kristin walker, the moderator doesn't bring it up you're pretty safe to assume the president will. these are simple questions i joe biden needs to answer to the american public and keep in mind this is also supposed to be a debate on foreign policy and you better believe we are going to talk about all the foreign corruption and money going into the biden family and of joe biden can't answer these simple questions you know is running from something. >> kennedy: the president's first white house chief of staff says he expects the president to pivot to the economy and force

biden to defend the obama administration's record on that issue. katie, i will start with you, is this the best course for the president to kind of tone it down and let joe biden talk a little bit more? >> katie: as chris christie said, the first one was a little hot so toning it down is probably a good idea and allowing joe biden developed for his own record which is the record of president obama and focusing on president trump's record over the past four years in prepandemic, of course, i'm sure he will focus a lot on that gallup poll that shows that 57% of americans think they are better off today, the president saying let's look forward and go forward with the progress we've made on the economy, rather than backwards to an administration that was interested in sending more troops overseas and had an anemic gdp growth an economy

that was worse than we seen since world war ii and i think that will be the contrast but allowing joe biden to speak a little bit more, justify his record will be helpful to the president. >> harris: all right, so, what could go wrong for joe biden on thursday night, leslie? >> leslie: [laughs] well, i will go to katie and saying it was hot, it was a hot mess, the american people didn't hear a lot of policy from either, a lot of proposals, a lot of solution and you know a lot of personal attacks, quite frankly, like petulant children and that's not what we need to see in our leaders, certainly the leader of the free world and not just our commander-in-chief and joe biden needs to get that in mind, if he looks at the numbers in the polling that came out over the last debate he did come out slightly on top when it came to policy and performance so he needs to improve on that

and know that donald trump plans to be better behaved and i don't think the president has had in him, quite frankly, i think both men are like bears when they are poked and both are going to poke one another. certainly they are going to bring up things with hunter biden, ukraine, speaks burisma, they're going to bring up barack obama but as president now joe biden needs to bring things up like you know, the taliban is supporting you, where is your promise was getting tough on china, and other things that, quite frankly, the american people want to hear, especially the middle class, working-class voters who one of the things they voted for donald trump on was bringing jobs back and bringing factories back to the united states and getting tougher on china and many of them have been disappointed on that. speak to the president can say

to that, you know who is not endorsing me? harris, what you expect? >> harris: with joe biden i'd have a couple questions like, with the town hall he just did with george stephanopoulos and his team had to clarify which crime bill he meant and what is a difference between the '94 and '98 crime bill, which one are you proud of and which one are you not end why and what you say from people of color about these incarceration numbers? i would ask the president, when you are asked about coronavirus pandemic response, going back to china, 40,000 travelers from china kept flowing through, just to make it clear that the door wasn't completely closed. those are questions that i think our affair, they don't have anything to do, necessarily,

with politics, they have to do with policy. >> kennedy: all right, jason, wrap it up. >> jason: thinking and speaking on his feet are not strong suits for joe biden and donald trump should yield all of his time to joe biden and let them try to explain himself but donald trump has a lot to tout like moving the embassy to jerusalem, why didn't joe biden do that? joe biden had his chance and he blew it, the iranian deal, donald trump got us out of that, why would they spend $150 billion, joe biden try to take credit for everything but i have got to tell you, there's a long list of questions that should be asked because the world is a better, safer place, our military is strengthened, law enforcement is behind donald trump and he's got a lot to talk about and it's going to be good for donald trump on thursday. >> kennedy: all right, if he has a good performance, we will

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>> harris: the senate judiciary committee is set to vote this thursday on president trump's supreme court nominee, judge amy coney barrett. with a full floor vote expected shortly thereafter on the weekend. meanwhile, democratic presidential nominee joe biden is narrowing his timeline for revealing his position on adding seats to the u.s. supreme court, after saying biden would wait until after the election, watch. >> i'm going to make clear my position in the next several days when they vote on this nominee and i've got to keep the focus on that and so i will lay out exactly what my view is. >> harris: some senate democrats are reportedly not on board with expanding the court, dick durbin, the number two democrat in the senate and a member of the senate judiciary committee tells the hill "there is no active conversation or deliberation about any changes

in court composition." so this is interesting. this is a place where both kamala harris and joe biden got stuck in the mud on "are you going to pack the court?" she wouldn't answer, he wouldn't answer and on the town hall last week, he said before the election and now it's been perhaps a couple days, what is so hard about answering that question? >> it actually is hard for him to answer that question, harris, if you look at it politically, he has a fine line here. as you've already heard there are centrist democrats who are not in favor of this, they feel it's radical and could hurt him with some of the democratic party or independent voters and republican voters that are unhappy with the president in the last four years and are leaning towards joe biden. personally he's shared he is not a fan of this but on the left side, the progressive side of

the party are expecting him to either do this or have an open mind. the bottom line is i think joe biden is wrong, quite frankly, to be saying this on thursday and i think quite frankly what he should do is wait until after the election because if he's not elected president it's moot and even if he's elected president, the democrats don't take the senate its moot and i think, if i had to bet i think he's going to say he won't pack the court. >> harris: why not just answer that question after the election, katie? why did he build this up to the point where it did exactly the opposite, i don't want all the focus to be on this, now the focus is on this, what was he thinking? >> katie: leslie laid it out perfectly, he couldn't say he wasn't going to pack the court they because the far left wants him to do so and he needs that wing of the party to get them over the finish line in terms of voter enthusiasm if he was coming out to vote, he has to close that gap, also as to keep up the facade that he is a

moderate democrat who won't pack the court. and the bottom line is joe biden is on record multiple times throughout his career saying that packing the court is a bad idea and not talking about it only shows that he's really had a lack of transparency when it comes to his campaign, whether it's not talking about these issues, refusing to answer them, president trump was very transparent about the supreme court from the day he started running, he continues to do so and joe biden just doesn't want to talk about it. >> harris: it's so funny, back in the olden days we didn't use the were transparency, we either called it the truth or a lie, anyway, democratic senator chris coons on packing the u.s. supreme court, let's watch.

i'm told we are missing that. well, we will not miss kennedy. kennedy? >> kennedy: thank you so much, yes, chris coons is very close to joe biden, and they like to talk about court packing and dick durbin said no, what is that mean? it's on. the problem is there are people like joe manchin and kyrsten sinema who are not on board with changing the senate rules and getting rid of the filibuster, dianne feinstein, same thing. some of those multi-term senators really feel like that protocol is necessary and all the senators who are facing tight races on the republican side, there democrat challenges of come out and said yeah, we are not for court packing either because they are obviously in swing states that are not far

left. although the progressives are very, very loud, the commies may not get their way on this one. >> harris: you know it so interesting, jason, it sounds like from either republicans or democrats who are not so far to the left, the popular idea is not to pack the court. joe biden says he wants to be everybody's president from all america. why wouldn't he just say what he would do as president, we know what he might do as a college professor because he's already on record for that. what are you going to do if you lose? go back to being a college professor. would you be somebody different as president? >> jason: yeah, adding seats to the supreme court is a very radical idea. it's why he won't admit it out loud. but the democrats have been talking about this far before justice ginsburg's untimely death and i've got to tell you i

really do believe it is a radical idea. i listened to the clip from joe biden, he delayed when he's going to talk about it, he's going to wait until the vote happens on amy coney barrett. that's going to probably happen a week from now and i think if he's asked for the debate i think he's going to wait, he also owes this because in june he told us who would be on his list of supreme court nominees, he hasn't produced that yet, donald trump should be winning awards for openness and transparency, he told us exactly what is going to do and who we would appoint. >> harris: he owes specifically for this conversation to the far left because they could just sit home if they don't agree with what's going on. i don't know what their options would be. you may have seen reports of some g.o.p. senators trying to put some distance between themselves and president trump in the final days of the campaign. the rnc chair has a warning for any republican lawmakers

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>> we are seeing this huge energy and we are seeing really great numbers coming out from the president and this is a race and any republican who doesn't

recognize that running with the president is going to help them it's hurting themselves in long run. >> katie: rnc chair ronna mcdaniel morning g.o.p. senators not to distance themselves from the president when it comes to running for the selection. republicans are at least airing their differences with the president, among them we are seeing on a number of people among them, president trump on issues like budget deficits and funding the government, he's been keeping his dissenting views private saying "i think what we've found is we are not going to change president trum president trump." so jason chaffetz, i'm going to go to you first, there are a number of republicans who are allegedly distancing themselves from the president, hurting themselves or helping themselv

themselves? >> jason: i think it's fake news to suggest people are running away from donald trump. to do so would be at their own peril. the internal support, the republican support for donald trump has never, ever been higher and i know they all like that they beat hillary clinton and they're going to love beating joe biden so to go on any other track is going to be bad, bad news. stay with donald trump and they will do just fine. >> katie: kennedy, there's an issue here of ticket splitting, republicans senators in tough races around the country, martha mcsally has been leaning into president trump's supreme court fight and she's gaining a little bit. >> kennedy: yeah, which is surprising because she's been about five points behind for a while now and yeah, she probably has one of the tougher races. but people like cory gardner,

i'd be really surprised for him to be wearing a maga had around boulder and denver for the next couple days. it's different states but some places there is incredible support for the president and others there's a lot and if you are in a tight race in a purple state, you have to appeal to more than just the hard-core republicans who will back the president no matter what. i think if it's about your survival you had to be smart about it, i don't see what's bad about that at all, isn't it about winning? >> katie: there is not a lot of maga hats an an end the peops of boulder, kennedy, as we know. he does have a higher percentage of them supporting him and this time around the 2016, can joe biden count on the same kind of support from his side of the

aisle? >> leslie: is not about endorsements but kennedy, you picked cory gardner who i was going to say, that's my prediction if he loses because is wearing that maga hadn't cozied up to the president. they don't care about the long run, they care about this election and what it's going to be like if it is a post-trump world for them especially in their tight races. >> katie: all right, well, if president trump is at the top of the ticket, republicans are hoping he can help pull them at the tea mug over the finish line for sure. more "outnumbered" after this. as with progressive's home quote explorer. international hand model jon-jon gets personal. your wayward pinky is grotesque. then a high stakes patty-cake battle royale ends in triumph. you have the upper hands!

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there it is. thank you all. you're my friends, all of you, and i really like you. now, here's harris. >> harris: go, kennedy! and we will start here. news this hour, president trump headed to the battleground state of arizona with just about two weeks to go until election day. "outnumbered overtime" now, i'm harris faulkner. the president dialing up the rhetoric against 2020 democrat joe biden over "the new york post" report on his sun's overseas business dealings. that would be hunter biden, which contradicts what the mic with with the former vice president has told the public before. watch. >> joe biden is and always has been a corrupt politician. he always has been. and as far as i'm concerned the biden family is a criminal enterprise.