dana, the fact that this did not trigger an automatic pause suggests, perhaps, that this is one of the volunteers receiving a placebo and not the actual vaccine, dana. >> dana: jonathan serrie, thank you so much. i will see you everybody, on "the five." bells have moo ricking in my head, bill. >> bill: some days it feels that wait a minute thanks, dana. see you soon. >> dana: have a good show. >> bill: all right. let's let it rip. i'm bill hemmer, president trump arriving in nashville ahead of tonight's final debate with joe biden. moments ago touching down there hanging over the showdown, new questions about the former v.p.'s reported connections with china. one of hunter biden's former business partners claiming the email about arrangement with chinese firm is in fact general wine and he says the big guy reference in that email is, in fact, joe biden. but biden has called the whole thing a smear campaign. in a moment jacqui heinrich

reports from the biden team trey gowdy has analysis but john roberts leads our reporting. he is live there in nashville tennessee today. john? >> bill, good afternoon to you. up until now story about abandoned laptop. orphaned hard drive legally blind computer technician and rudy giuliani. today the story taking a new twist now focusing on tony b. >> bhmplet ulinski decorated navy veteran. company hunter biden and uncle jim biden and the partnership with a chinese energy firm. now, for the past few days fox has been focusing and reporting on an email that was found on hunter biden's laptop that detailed the percentage split of this partnership of $10 million with this chinese firm and the 10% of that would go to, quote: the big guy. and the statement to fox news bobulinski saying the reference to the big guy in the much

publicized email is in fact a reference to joe biden. hunter biden called his dad the big guy or my chairman and frequently referenced asking him for his sign-off or advice on various potential deals that we were discussing. the senate homeland security and governmental affairs committee and the senate committee on finance have requested documents relating to bobulinski's affairs with the bidens which he has provided. fox news has obtained all of that information. included in it is a text message from early may of 2017 in which bobulinkskis thanks jim biden for arranging a meeting with joe biden at the beverly hilton hotel. in there there was also a document which includes possible domestic contacts for the business venture. the list includes a number of prominent democrats including kamala harris, andrew cuomo. chuck schumer, bill de blasio of new york, klobuchar and about gavin newsom and also includes

florida republican senator rick scott. however, nothing in the documents to suggest that any of the people on that list were ever contacted or were ever involved in the business venture. the president expected at the debate tonight to bring all of this up. here's the white house communications director alyssa farrah. >> i do think we are going to whether it's asked or has the opportunity to bring it up, he is going to get into this issue of hunter biden. the american people need to know if the biden family in any way is beholden to china. this is our biggest geopolitical adversary the fact that the mainstream media is refusing to cover this story is gravely concerning. the president is willing to bring it up himself if necessary. >> joe and hunter biden critics have been saying what hunter biden was really doing because he didn't have any expertise in energy was selling access and influence in that statement to fox news as we see the president and the first lady deplaning from air force one. what bobulinski said in that

statement was that the chinese partnership did not appear to be interested in legitimate return on investment. what they were looking for was an influence and political investment. bill? >> bill: john, hang with me. we see the president, the first couple getting off air force one. melania trump has made the trip. a few nights ago in pennsylvania. expected to be in erie county. her appearance there had been delayed. she had been recovering from covid-19. she is on the road. we see the first couple on the tarmac. john thank you for that the president heads to the debate hall. this would be the first time now 23 days going back to cleveland, ohio in debate number one as we move about six hours away to debate number two. as we look at that shot. i will give the latest on the biden campaign. the former vice president leaving his home in the last hour amid new accusations against his son hunter. jacqui heinrich reports from wilmington on that today. good afternoon. >> good afternoon, bill.

joe biden spent the last four days at home preparing for face-off tonight with president trump who has promised to grill him on allegations surrounding his son hunter's business deals and questions of to what extent, if anything, joe biden was involved. now, after that man identifying himself as hunter biden's foreign business partner came forward dumping new documents, emails and text messages, the biden campaign referred me back to the former vice president's tax returns which they cited as proof that biden didn't take in any of this money as suggested in those emails identifying him as the big guy. the fact the campaign is citing the former v.p.'s tax returns is significant. if you lie on your taxes, it can be a felony. in his first comment acknowledging the allegations, joe biden called it garbage from rudy giuliani. president trump's henchmen and another smear. on his way to the debate, biden said he only hopes president trump follows the rules. >> we will have plenty of time to talk when this is over.

okay? hopefully he is going to play by the rules. hopefully everybody has been tested and works out the way the rules are i'm looking forward to this. >> as the story unfolds and election day draws closer, democrats called on their biggest weapon former president barack obama who in philadelphia last night made a pointed reference contrasting criticism of president trump with these allegations around joe biden. in an apparent nod to the stories about hunter biden's business dealings, which has been most widely covered by this network, obama referenced other new reports that president trump has a secret chinese bank account. >> can you imagine if i had had a secret chinese bank account when i was running for re-election? do you think -- do you think fox news might have been a little concerned about that? they would have called me beijing barry. >> obama will hit another battle ground this weekend heading to

florida. still waiting on joe biden's plan what is he going to do after tonight wants debate. bill? >> bill: thank you, jackie line direct in wilmington. bring in trey gowdy author of a brand new book "doesn't hurt to ask using the power of questions to communicate connect and persuade." how are you, mr. prosecutor and good afternoon to you today. >> good afternoon. how are you? >> bill: i'm fine, thank you. political component, legal component. what do you make, i guess, of the reporting so far today surrounding the biden issue? >> well, i don't hear anyone contesting the authenticity of the underlying material which means it's relevant. it may be criminally relevant and that's up to the fbi and doj. bill, they are not going to do anything between now and the elections. even if it's not criminal it's politically relevant. and it's relevant whether joe biden took any money at all. if there was conversations about him taking money, keep in mind, he denied it. so, his credibility, his believability, his reliability is in issue. i think if the president kind of

focuses in on that, you know, joe you said. this it's not true. we know it's not true. where else are you lying? then i think it can be a winning argument for him tonight. >> bill: okay. so after tonight, where is this going? there seems to be this drip, drip, drip on the inside of it. >> you know, bill, it depends. i really don't think the bureau and the department of justice are going to do anything between now and the election. so who provides oversight in our culture that's not criminal. that would be the media. and i have seen more stories. i wish i had not. i wish i could unsee the stories of rudy giuliani or jeffrey tubin or the fly on mike pence's head. i have seen a lot more stories about that than the substance, the substance of whether or not these emails are accurate and whether joe biden was truthful. so only if the media decides that it's relevant. keep in mind, bill, president trump was impeached for misconduct, alleged misconduct involving a foreign country. if you should be removed from office wouldn't it be relevant

to decide whether or not you should be in office in the first place? >> bill: that is the legal side of it. let's talk about the political angle. how hard does the president go with this tonight? what would you recommend? >> yeah. i would recommend that he wait. i mean, when you know something is coming up. when you know something negative is coming up, then you are always on guard for it. i wouldn't bring it up first. i would make him stumble through other things knowing in the back of his mind look i have got to address hunter at some point. i would not lead with it. it's best if the moderator brings it up. so, the president doesn't have to. but i would not come out of the gates with it because biden expects you to. he has prepped more on this question than anything else. do not do what he expects you to do. wait a little while. >> bill: why do you think he stayed home all week? >> because he thinks he is winning and he doesn't think he has to questions and he doesn't think he has to do anything. and he has got, you know, what they claim to be the most charismatic person on the planet

and president obama campaigning for him. you do what you have to do. >> bill: you don't think it was a defensive move to stay away from answering the question? >> i do. but i think he has been awol a little bit politically because he doesn't want to answer questions not just about hunter biden or court packing. we don't have an answer we got a blue ribbon commission recently. you only answer questions if you have to. he doesn't perceive that he has. to say other than fox and a handful of print publications, i don't see a lot of people pushing him to answer questions. >> bill: you heard john ratcliffe last night christopher wray head of the fbi. here is how adam schiff racket to the assessment about russia and iran messing with our election here. watch. >> we don't know whether this is just ratcliffe's spin or whether it's the assessment of the analysts. tragically we have seen a lot of ratcliffe political spin, dishonesty from the director so

it's difficult to rely on what he has to say. we will be probing it further to find out whether that's political commentary by the director or whether there is more to it. >> bill: i know you have had interesting concept. what do you work. >> i didn't hear. guy came up with parody for opening statement. the guy who did everything he could to keep us from finding out about the dossier and who last week told us it was russian disinformation even though it's not. that guy is challenging somebody else's credibility? think back to 2016. jeh johnson, clapper, even the president got a lot of flack for not warning the american people about election interference. john ratcliffe is a smart guy. he's going to tell you what he knows and you can do with that information what you want. i can tell you between ratcliffe an shy of no one has ever lied and the other handy tolded truth. >> bill: thank you for your time. we will see where we are in the campaign this time tomorrow. thank you for coming in.

>> thanks, bill. >> bill: ask the state department spokesperson morgan ortagus about election interference as well as new reaction on china today. stay tuned for that blow up between "60 minutes" and president trump that happened this week at the white house. a new fox polling on the state of the race in three battle grounds that helped put the president over the top in 2016. campaign adviser mercedes schlapp live from nashville to react to that as we count down what will be the second and final debate of 2020, next.

i can't do another four years of this. i can't. there's never been more divisiveness in this country. it's frightening and sad. that was trump's whole thing, you know, take the politics out of it and run it like one of his businesses. i know people were looking for that kind of change, but it's not working.

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error. it would appear you are behind at the moment. how do you see it? >> i have been on the ground for several weeks. i have got to tell you the momentum is on our side. there is great enthusiasm for this president and as we know with polls, some polls show the president tied. some polls show the president leading in our internal data and so what we are so looking at right now is the fact that we have got an incredibly strong ground game. you are talking about over 2.5 million volunteers who are helping us out throughout these states getting out the vote and also 100 million voter contacts in this cycle. so we have a very sophisticated ground game right now. something that i haven't seen in republican politics for a long time. >> bill: if i could just interject. just back in those four states, suburban women, all right, our polling finds this: you are down 35 points in michigan, 18 in ohio, 29 in pennsylvania, and

21 in wisconsin. if that's anywhere close to being right, how do you overcome that? >> i was just with the ivanka trump in wisconsin. and in michigan. and i got to tell you it's a large number of women who come out and are supporting the president the issue that we keep talking about that the president is focused on is that of economic growth and prosperity, opportunity for all americans and as well as safe communities. the president being a president of law and order. we know that that is a priority for this president as we know he has received some endorsements from the law enforcement community and i think for you is burr ban moms as we go ought and speak about what the president has accomplished in such a short period of time how he is combating coronavirus through operation warp speed ensuring that we have a vaccine that's getting developed. that we have the therapeutics at hand. those are critical actions the president has taken to save lives and that's the message that we're talking about.

also we are showing the contrast of joe biden where we know his economic policies would be distrusted for our economy and taking away jobs. >> bill: we will see what happens in 13 days. what are we going to see tonight from the president? is he going after the moderator? is he going after joe biden? is he doing both? what's the strategy? >> well, here we will see what happens. what we know about the moderator she is a bit of an activist. we want a fair debate. we want the tough questions. >> bill: she is a reporter. she is it not an activist. >> well, if you would consider, you know, she worked for nbc and worked for msnbc which i say is not necessarily fair and balanced. >> bill: she covers the white house. >> other stations that we no. yes, she does. she has been highly critical of the president. regardless this president is ready is he prepared to answer the tough questions and he will ask tough questions of joe biden and his dealings with hunter

biden. the more and more unraveling of aupive scheme in terms of hunter biden basically selling access of the biden administration to even our enemies like china. so these are serious questions that need to be answered. the american people deserve to know this answer from joe biden. many in the mainstream media haven't even covered this topic. and now we are seeing more and more of these emails are being verified by hunter biden's former partner. these are serious questions that need to be answered and the american people deserve answers. >> bill: trey gowdy was just making the case that the president should not bring that you mean. he should wait for someone else to do it. is that the strategy? >> well, i don't know if we can wait for the moderator to bring it up because we have seen that not only big social media companies have censored the "new york post" story. but we have seen many in the mainstream press and in the liberal media not even covering the story. i think it was one local reporter who bravely asked joe biden the question just a few

days ago. so, we hope the moderator brings it up. if not, the president has every right to bring it up. i think it's important for the american people to know what sketchy schemes joe biden involved in with hunter biden as more information is being released. >> bill: okay. we will see it when it happens. could be 70 million watching. mercedes schlapp thank you for your time in nashville tonight. >> thank you so much. >> bill: what's iran and russia up to this election cycle and does it matter from the state department? morgan ortagus is live on that and more coming up next.

>> bill: warning now from the director of national intelligence that iran and russia are trying to meddle in american democracy 12 days before the big vote. director john ratcliffe accusing tehran of accessing voter

registration data to send fake emails to u.s. voters. tehran denies. this state department spokesperson morgan ortagus with me now. thank you for coming back and time today. >> thanks, bill. any time. >> bill: have you had a hard line on iran. is this what you get in return? >> well, it certainly has been a challenge dealing with the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism on a number of i. we have, you know, their nuclear ambitions and of course fomenting terrorism in the region is what gets talked about the most. we have been warning about the cyber capabilities for quite some time. i think you will see the united states take action on this as we always have been holding the iranian regime accountable and the russians as well. the treasury department sanctioned russian individuals just in september for election interference. they did it again in 2019, so between the state department and the treasury department under the leadership of president trump, we do have a record of taking action for anyone who interferes in our election.

>> bill: andy mccarthy on last hour. he called it the reaction idiotic and almost hysterical. he was suggesting that iran and moscow, they can pull our chain so easily, don't let them. is there some truth to that do you think? >> well, i think every american has to remain vigilant. we also can't forget about, you know, of course the big elephant in the room which is china. dni director ratcliffe has also talked about chinese interference as well. we know that people want to fear -- interfere in american elections. because our democracy works. it's thriving and, yes, sometimes it's combative and sometimes it's messy. but this is the best example anywhere of the world of having a transparent functioning thriving democracy. and so we know that illicit actors who seek to wish us harm will always get involved. we will hold them accountable here at the state department and under the leadership of president trump. >> bill: did i not catch ratcliffe's comments about beijing i do know what mike

pompeo has done the last 24 hours. what is this the crackdown media companies out of beijing. what's that all about? >> thanks for having about that bill. basically what we are trying to do is make sure that the american people and everyone around the world know exactly what the chinese communist party is up to. and essentially to boil it down, what china will do is bring quote, unquote, media organizations to the united states. and these are actually not media organizations. they are not journalists. they are propaganda outlets of the chinese communist party. what we continue to do is to hold them accountable. we are now saying that these quote, unquote, media organizations, propaganda organizations have to register as foreign agents. this is important here. this is a part of the process here at the state department of us naming and shaming the chinese communist party and bringing to light the actions that they pursue around the united states. we have done this with, you know, secretary deboss and secretary mike pompeo when they issue to american universities and k through 12 schools be careful of confucius institutes.

this date ha has gone unchecked for multiple by for decades and putting a stop to it. >> bill: see this that works. final question here. i know you don't like to mix politics based on your job at the state department. however, if your boss were on that stage tonight, how we sell the progress based on american foreign policy over the last four years? >> well, well, my big boss is on that stage. can i tell you one of the things that we have worked on secretary pompeo with jared kushner and president trump many things around the world but especially, i think, the middle east. we have seent success of the abraham accords and that is because four years ago when we came into leadership, we took a radically different approach to the middle east. we divided that we were not going to give the world's leading state sponsor of terror billions of dollars. we were going to empower israel and allies and our friends in the middle east. four years later we are seeing the rewards of that four or five years ago, before president trump, no one was talking about

china and exposing them the way that mike pompeo and president trump are now. and we are going to continue to do it. we are going to continue to hold their feet to the fire. >> bill: foreign policy is not on the list tonight but we will see how it did. >> it should be. >> bill: we will see how it goes. morgan, my best to you and your health. and did. >> thank you. >> bill: good luck with your family, okay? >> thank you, sir. >> bill: you bet. morgan ortagus from the state department. president trump shaking things up releasing video from his "60 minutes" interview set to air on sunday. some of the headlines coming from that in a moment. former president obama on the trail with former vp. will he and joe do an event together? go there in a moment as we continue coming up. ♪

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>> bill: five and a half hours on the countdown clock between president trump and joe biden's2 that's a live look debate site music city south side of nashville beautiful university. a bit earlier today president trump releasing white house footage of that contentious sitdown interview for "60 minutes." cbs did not authorize the president to release that video. the network plans to air the video on sunday evening. kristin fisher is in nashville hanging out there wall the kids. kristin good afternoon to you. >> good afternoon, bill. well, similar to how the president is already criticizing the moderator for tonight's debate he is also going after cbs, "60 minutes" correspondent lesley stahl for what he describes as a vicious attempted takedown. now, the other side to this, you have cbs saying she was simply doing her job being a journalist by asking tough but fair questions and the network is not

happy with what the white house did earlier today by releasing its own footage of this interview. cbs put out a statement that reads in part, quote: while the white house is unprecedented decision to disregard their agreement with cbs news and release their footage will not deter "60 minutes" from providing its full fair and contextual reporting with presidents that participated in for decades. now, this was a 36-minute long interview that ended with president trump taking off his microphone and simply walking out. the full interview was still going to air in full on sunday but here's a clip of the back and forth to give you a taste of what we're talking about. >> let me ask you what you think your -- the biggest domestic priority is for you right now? >> well, ultimately and i will tell you, it was happening. we created the greatest economy in the history of our country. >> you know that's not true. >> it's totally true. >> no.

>> virtually every number was the best. we had the best economy ever. and what was happening is things were coming together. >> well, what i -- >> the economy is not on the list of topics that was released by the debate's moderator. so it will almost certainly come up. the trump campaign and the white house believe it is the president's strongest argument in his case for re-election. >> we are really going to make the economic case. that's his closing argument. the president that brought us the hottest economy in modern history is the president that needs to be here overseeing this recovery. >> but any time the president is talking about the moderator, lesley stahl or even hunter biden that is a moment that he is not talking about the economy. so we'll see how he attempts to strike that balance in just a few hours. >> bill: good deal, kristin, thank you for that kristin fisher, nice to see you. i want to bring in juan williams and katie pavlich co-host of "the five." all kinds of jobs. good day to you.

trey gowdy said don't bring up the hunter biden thing let it linger out there for a period of time. let's see how that goes. back to "60 minutes." joe biden asked about packing the u.s. supreme court, how he might change the u.s. legal system intriguing answer let's hear it. >> if elected, what i will do is i will put together a national commission of bipartisan commission of scholars, constitutional scholars, democrats and republicans, liberal, conservative, and i will ask them to over 180 days come back to me with recommendations as to how to reform the court system. because it's getting out of whack. >> bill: i don't know what's out of whack. he went on to say about a number of alternatives other than packing but did not flat out dismiss it. norah o'donnell said so it's a live ball and he pretty much said it is, katie. this still is an issue. >> it's still annual issue because joe biden still has not answered the question. to put off the responsibility of

whether you will are will not pack the court to another commission in washington, d.c. citing constitutional lawyers and attorneys and experts. the late justifiable rudy giuliani was a constitutional expert. and she said that the court should stay at 9. we have a process for this. the senate vets and consents the nominee that the president puts up and the president is responsible constitutionally for appointing somebody to the supreme court. so we already have a system in place. joe biden is avoiding the question. he is avoiding the question because it is bad for democrats in terms of the polling, the vast majority of americans do not believe that the supreme court should be packed and notice how democrats have changed their language joe biden by going from court packing to court reform. it's the same thing. >> bill: he said he is going to take recommendations, juan. what's that going to look like? >> juan: typically, you know, in washington, d.c. those kind of commissions and panels where good ideas go to die. people can say what they want

but usually if you want to do something, you do it. so i think that what he is doing here is kind of, you know, to be fair to him, thoughtful, sober response to the fact that republicans really have changed the structure of the federal judiciary at this moment. especially given what is going on with amy coney barrett and the fact that they have rushed this through. they have now got a 6-3 majority because they denied an opportunity to the last president to have a nominee in the last year of his presidency. >> bill: you know, i'm just thinking. >> but going ahead with president trump. >> bill: when is the last time we had a commission to debate our legal system? when was that? >> not debating the legal system. there have been. >> bill: 1935. >> juan: no, we have had different numbers of people on the court. it's not about the legal system. it's not denying the authority of the supreme court over the law. it's not a challenge to that. it's a challenge to the idea that one party has distorted the political structure and politicized the court.

and i think that undermines the of the court to many people. >> bill: katie, go ahead. >> katie: first, i would agree with juan that all good ideas in washington, d.c. a number of them are very few go to commissions to die. we agree on that. but the idea that republicans have somehow politicized the court filling legitimately empty seats whether it's federal, judiciary seats on the federal bench or whether it's supreme court seats by simply replacing someone by voting in senators who want constitutionally guided judges is not a restructuring of the judiciary. it's simply a constitutional duty that republicans -- >> bill: i'm sure juan would agree with you on that. >> juan: no, no. >> bill: i was kidding. i want to know why barack obama was in philadelphia yesterday and joe biden was a 40-minute car ride away and they weren't seen together. and now over the weekend we hear that obama will be back on the trail in florida. when are these guys going to do an event together? it's been eight years, juan, together in the west wing.

what's going on? >> juan: wait, the premise is off to my mind. you are in the final stretch. you want to make sure you have got your main players. your key players at the crucial spots in terms of that elector college map, bill. so, putting them together is not. >> bill: come on, juan. >> juan: not best use of resources. >> bill: katie, it's a 40 minute ride from wilmington. what's going on? >> katie: the fact is throughout this election process president obama has kept joe biden at arm's length. he repeatedly urged joe biden thought to run for president. theres with that big political piece in august that came out saying that president obama was not necessarily supportive of joe biden's campaign. and you are right. we haven't seen them together. and he has said allegedly behind closed doors that joe biden is notorious for screwing things up at the very end. so we haven't seen them together because barack obama hasn't been all in from the beginning on joe biden's run for the white house. >> juan: i my you must have missed the performance in philadelphia. he sure looked like he was all

in and all over. >> bill: we saw the 30 cars parked. >> juan: yeah. i thought it was a great speech and very effective one. >> bill: the row den drum looks great but i have breaking news. thank you, katie and juan as well. here is the news. tone bobulinski will be there tonight at the this debate we are being told. expected to read a statement to the pool in a moment when he arrives in nashville at 5:00 eastern time. that's about an hour and 15 minutes from now. here is bobulinski seen in the u.s. navy. released a statement a bit earlier today about cooperating and giving information to the senate committee on homeland security and government affairs and the senate committee on finance, talking about his service in the navy and also his relationship with hunter biden and talking about the documents relating to business affairs with the biden family which pretty much confirmed the legitimacy of the emails that we have been looking at for some time.

so, bobulinski will be there in nashville and we will see how that turns out tonight. in the meantime there is hope on the way from u.s. health officials talking about the progress being made on a coronavirus vaccine. what they're saying about the timeline for a safe and effective vaccine as the number of covid cases continues to rise in most states. dr. marc siegel is on that. he's our guest coming up next. ♪ ♪

>> bill: u.s. now reporting more than 60,000 new cody cases sixth day in a row. a safe and effective vaccine could be ready in a matter of months. marc siegel nyu lage gotten. good see you. politics of fear and power of science. couple things i want to get. to say by the end of this year.

alex azar says, you could get a vaccine for certain vulnerable groups of people. how do you read that, doc? >> well, i think that he is giving away the order in which this is going to be approached, bill. vulnerable people means those with pre-existing conditions like obesity or in close contact with people with covid. people that are most at risk. the elderly, but those most at risk. and then right after that you are going to see by january healthcare workers and seniors get it and then by march or april, the vast majority of the population. all of this, bill, hinges on whether we get a vaccine that works and is safe. that's not a given yet. we're in the stages of clinical trials of six vaccines and pfizer for one is about to present information to the fda but they still don't have the safety data yet. it looks pretty promising. now, i spoke yesterday to the head of the nih dr. francis collins, who says that he thinks these message rna vaccines, the top geneticists in the world,

bill, he likes the way the vaccines work the messenger rna ones where they send a message to your cells to make the proteins that are on the virus. the immunity we are seeing with those vaccines is pretty impressive. the last point that the virus itself is not changing very much. and not changing in a way where the vaccines won't work. very, very important information. >> bill: sounds like all good news. we listened to azar yesterday and he sounded very confident by the end of december that you are going to have something that you can work with now. i'm going to move to brazil and talk about this volunteer who died during a trial. was this person taking experimental vaccine or placebo. >> bill, inside sources on that say it was the pl placebo. continue a meningitis shot rather than the covid-19 vaccine. let me be clear on this. it would be beyond astounding if someone died taking the actual vaccine and they didn't halt the trials. they did not halt the trials in brazil. they have not halted them in the united kingdom or south africa.

so i believe that that inside source is correct that this was in the placebo group. it points out something here, bill. it points out that we want to -- see certainly don't want to see anyone die from any vaccines it. shows how carefully they are monitoring the situation. and you are going to have side effects and tragically you are going to have deaths while you are doing clinical trials. clearly this is not related to the vaccine. >> bill: doctor, i hope the best for all. but you don't seem to be that stunned by this news because the trial itself continued. that's what i hear. is that right? >> correct. correct. i believe that this is a coincidence and this was in the non-vaccine group. i absolutely am not stunned by this happens and it's much more important in a positive way that we seaside effects because then we know that the vaccine trials are proceeding with pure science, bill. >> bill: thank you, mark. dr. siegel, good luck with the book. niles see it you today, thank you. >> thanks, bill.

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>> bill: this is outrage after the brutal decapitation of a history teacher. french president emmanuel macron pressure abuse and ignorance have no place in france. senior foreign affairs correspondent greg palkot

reports on this live in london where, again, it gets a lot of attention in europe today. greg? >> gregg: absolutely, bill. nearly a week after the brutal terror attack near paris which left a teacher dead, france is still reeling. last night there was a memorial in paris. samuel awarded france's highest recognition the legion of honor. here's more of what french president macron had to say. take a listen. >> samuel was murdered because islamist want our future and they know with calm heroes like him they will never have it. >> ugly crime happened just outside the school in a paris suburb where samuel taught. police say 18-year-old russian born checken was responsible for the beheading. the 47-year-old victim was teaching a lesson on freeman freedom of speech. two pictures controversial characters of the muslim prophet mohammed some students and one parent didn't like it. messages went viral on social media. it's alleged two students helped

the killer identify him. one student, however, remembered him warmly. >> he was kind. he was nice to us. i don't know what to say. >> france is no stranger to slack terrorism. we were there, for example, in 2015. this is the neighborhood where the attack happened. hundreds have been killed and injured in attacks in paris and other cities in recent years. but this incident, perhaps due to its blood-thirsty nature, has hit a national nerve. rallies were held across france in defiance of the killing. fellow teachers were especially moved. >> we are here to pass on knowledge to share things with our peoples to awaken them to civil rights. >> police have so far accused seven people in connection with the attack. they are reportedly considering the deportation of many more. shutting down some muslim organizations and a mosque. for some, just in time. >> fed up with the rate of muslim -- islamism in this country which is against the secular values. against the western values of

our society. >> analyst notes that even if that suspect was killed by police, this should be a warning not just for france and the west but the united states. that slack terrorism is still a real and present danger. >> bill: shocking story. stunning stuff, greg. thanks. greg palkot on that live from london today. thank you. moments ago our john roberts breaking the news that a witness will appear tonight at this debate by the name of tony bobulinski. if you have been watching our program for the past several hours you know this gentleman is a former member of the u.s. navy. he has written a letter and which he says i am the recipient of the email published seven days ago of the "new york post" directly tying him to the business matter of hunter biden. that's not all he said. turning over several text messages by way of what's app., the encrypted online application on his phone and they are intriguing. we are told tonight the president will point to mr. bobulinski in the audience

tonight as he stands there before joe biden. we will see together how that goes. in the meantime here every day at 3:00 eastern set the dvr. never miss a report. in the meantime, here is neil 9:00 tonight it goes down in nashville. ♪ >> neil: all right. well you can cut the tension with something because we are about five hours away now from the final faceoff of this presidential campaign that was supposed to be three debates down to two. and the candidates will get a chance to check out the facilities and maybe get a final bit of homework in for the big gathering tonight. we are told as well that even though these are going to be sort of a cut mic affair, just in case these guys get out of hand. that does not mean it will be that way throughout the entire debate. we will explain. we are going to be looking at this from all sides with candidate including not going to be part of this process. the libertarian can