joe biden will be. catch our coverage at 8 p.m. right through the end and our own futures market reaction tonight. here's "the five." >> ♪ >> ♪ >> hello. i am dana perino with martha, juan williams, jesse watters and greg gutfeld. it's 5 o'clock in new york city and 4 o'clock in nashville. this is "the five." >> ♪ >> ♪ >> well, it's all on the line for both donald trump and joe biden. we are just 4 hours away from tonight's high stakes debate. anything can happen. the candidates face off for the final showdown 12 days from the presidential election. a major curveball is coming biden's way. president trump will bring tony a former business partner of

hunter biden as his guest who claims joe biden was involved with a chinese firm. the big question for joe biden. how does he respond to this issue? biden spoke with reporters on his way to nashville. >> hopefully he will play by the rules. hopefully everybody was tested. i am looking forward to this. >> for president trump a balancing act going after hunter biden and joe biden and talking about kitchen table issues. president trump has been encouraged by some to limit the attacks on biden's son and focus on his strength like the economy. we haven't heard from the president today but last night previewed what he might say tonight. >> this election is a choice between a trump super-recovery or a biden steep depression. that's what you are going to have.

it's a trump boom or a biden lockdown. >> jesse watters, let's start with you as we preview the debate. >> donald trump should be debating kamala harris tonight. after what broke today, there is no way joe biden can be president. we now have confirmation that the emails are legit. his business partner is talking and said joe biden is the big guy and getting kickbacks from the chinese and his selling his office and his whole family was getting rich. maybe that's why joe has been soft on china and why joe covered for the chinese when the virus hit and blamed president trump instead. this biden scandal will break wide open tonight live in front of 70 million american people watching. i don't know what joe says. i don't know what he can say.

this is an october surprise. i don't think joe was surprised. many people knew that the biden family was a ticking time bomb. it exploded two weeks before an election. what did barack obama say? he would not put it past joe to blank it up. he blanked it up. donald trump knew they were corrupt last year and got impeached for pointing it out. kristen welker the debate moderator will have her hands full. she is an eagles fan and from philadelphia. i will pull my punches here. >> [laughing]. >> we stick together in philadelphia. >> i am timing you. >> don't defend joe. ask questions that are relevant to the american people and don't be a headline. also, kristen welker, go eagles! >> juan, political pros love it

when a scandal breaks before a high stakes debate. your take? >> i hope that president trump brings it up. he brought it up at the last debate and just whiffed. he opened himself to joe biden saying my son had troubles. my son had a terrible time with drug addiction and millions of american families know what it's like to have a kid that has the disease of drug addiction. people are in symptathy with it. nobody will vote against joe biden on the basis of hunter biden having a drug problem. >> it's not about that. >> or attacks on someone's family. >> it's not about hunter. it's about joe. >> if trump wants to turn this around and he needs something big tonight, dana, because he is behind. if he needs to change the direction of this campaign, he has to spend time talking about covid and the economy. >> hey, you know what he should say: who is the big guy?

>> yeah, that would entertain you but it would not change any votes. >> juan, who is the big guy? >> i don't care who the big guy is! >> you don't care if joe biden has taken millions from the chinese. >> if you have proof, bring it out, big guy. otherwise, wait until you have something. >> fox confirmed it. >> you are just pumping away. >> juan, you are pumping because your own colleagues confirmed it today. >> confirmed what? >> he is the big guy. >> i call you the big guy. >> you two, stop. martha maccallum you have the floor. >> this is obviously going to get a ton of attention. we are all looking forward to hearing from bubbleinski his name is like an october surprise. on the other side of the.

equation. president trump when he goes in there tonight he needs to have specifics. when i watch the lesley stahl interview and there is a lot to be said whether or not she was bias. when she asked him about healthcare he doesn't nail down 3 or 4 specific points of what people can anticipate in the next 4 years. this was a huge issue in 2018. the president says his preparation is an interaction with the press. he needs to have done home work. so people can go, oh now i understand where this administration will take me in 4

years. joe biden's strongest point is he offers calm stability. that seems to have worked for him so far. if they poke holes in that, it could make that veneer vulnerable. >> greg gutfeld? >> well, the big news is donald trump is having tony as hi debate guest and joe biden responded by inviting mr. bob dabbleina. this story can't be ignored anymore. the media is trying to ignore it. bobulinks

bobulinksi. joe biden is the big guy. that's why mr. bobulinksi will be at the debate. i will use a metaphor. something missing tonight is foreign policy. i will begin with an obesity analogy. a years ago i was 40 pounds over weight. i thought about it every day. it filled up my brain. i decided to do something about it. exercise more and watch my diet and i lost weight. my weight loss is trump's foreign policy. i no longer have to think about it or talk about it except as a lesson. i worry about other things. that's foreign policy for trump. the irony is the successes we had with north korea and china, the middle east. we are not talking about the middle east. that eliminated an issue he could talk about because it's not on anybody's plate anymore.

how can you go on and have a debate about foreign policy and argue with donald trump with china. he was the first guy there. he was the first guy to say there was something up. he took the nuclear threat of north korea off the map. we don't hear about "ice." -- isis. his greatest achievement removed that issue. so we are talking about words opposed to joe biden's deeds. he has compromised himself. if he actually wins, impeachment proceedings start the day after inauguration and the democrats won't mind because they have kamala harris. >> a lot more to come. the final debate tonight. up next the brand new allegations surrounding hunter biden and a former business

partner will talk to the media any moment now.

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>> ♪ >> ♪ >> welcome back to nashville. we were just talking about, there are new major developments involving hunter biden and the larger story of the biden family business ventures. a former business partner of hunter biden tony bobulinksi is expected to speak to the media after releasing a statement confirming an email found on hunter biden's laptop. it was addressed to bobulinksi and lays out the percentage payout that would exist in a chinese partnership that included 10% for the big guy. bobulinksi said the reference to the big guy is in fact a reference to joe biden. hunter biden called his dad the big guy or my chairman and frequently referenced asking him for his sign-off or advice on

various deals that we were discussing. bobulinksi claiming he witnessed joe biden discussion these business deals with his son. that contradicts the claims from the former vice president biden who said they never discussed it. there is also a may 27th text from bobulinksi that said this about hunter: does he want to blow up his dad's campaign. >> this needs to be done right and protect that fact. the president said the new allegations should be investigated and s are getting on board. >> i think a special prosecutor is appropriate. this is the former vice president biden who may be in a money laundering scheme. it looks like joe biden is getting kickbacks from the china. the american people deserve answers and he needs to be asked

about it at tonight's debate. >> juan, you felt there was no proof of any of this. mr. bobulinksi has many more text messages than just this one. what is your reaction, this man is involved in the email. this is what the email means. >> i think you just read a quote where he said do you want to blow up your dad's campaign. it doesn't sound like joe biden is involved. we have no evidence of bank accounts. what someone says in an email. there is no evidence. >> hold on a second. >> [overlapping talking]. >> i understand your take on that email and that's a good argument on the biden side. these are not a got argument on their side. putting the biden family name

and legacy on the line he grew concerned with when he saw mr. bobulinksi said. this is another one about the nature of the overall chinese deal. mr. bobulinksi said i realize the chinese were not focussed on a healthy financial return on investment. they looked at this as a political influence investment in which joe biden would be a 10% partner. bobulinksi confirmed there were meetings that joe biden was at. >> i don't know why you believe him. i don't know what to think. there is no evidence of this. it was donald trump who had a bank account in china. looking at this debate, have at it mr. trump. the more time you spend on this

means you are not talking about your vision for the second term or talking about a healthcare plan or talking about the coronavirus and that matters to the american people and not a bunch of conspiracy theories. >> to that point, how much time should the president dedicate to this tonight? does he run the risk of going down a deep rabbit hole that may not matter to voters? >> juan said i was going down a rabbit hole. i dug all the way to china. >> [laughing]. >> there are other emails. the chinese communist energy company offered $5 million interest-free loan to the biden family because they have so much trust if them. don't mention joe being involved. they are paranoid. everybody owes the "new york post" an apology.

this guy has verified emails. most of these are not from hunter's laptop. they have joe participating in meetings and scouting clients. they have photos of joe at the beverly hilton in los angeles on the same day hunter is talking about setting up a meeting to discuss the china deal where joe got a 10% kickback. this story is beginning. there is more out there. the fbi has an active money laundering investigation regarding this laptop. we might hear about caymen bank accounts. the media is trapped. if the media reports it they destroy their candidate. if they hide it they destroy their credibility. >> the president and joe biden tonight, how much time should the president spend on this to check all of the boxes and have

a game changer tonight for his campaign? >> it didn't matter what i think. president trump comes to the debates just trusting his instincts. if he is going to do this, it has to be made clear. it can't be complicated. if biden keeps interrupting him that will look bad. if i were the president i would stick to the 3-e's, economy, energy and extremes, the contrast between 4 more years of him versus 4 years under joe biden. >> greg? >> it just occurred to me. i am trying to think. has there ever been a time when the media counselled joe biden on what not to bring up in the debate? that's all we have heard.

it's not a secret bank account if you know it. i find it rich. i have not heard anybody giving advice to joe about what not to bring up. these emails are not the tick, tick, tick. there is a boom, boom, this is not a smoking gun. it's a smoking crack pipe. for halloween the news is the bowl of candy you leave outside when you are not home and the kids come over and take the best stuff. it's usually a kit kat. the only thing left in the bowl are the wafers. that's the hunter biden story. 8 to 10 days before the election, you have a bowl of wafers and the media have to stuff their mouths with it. if they ignore it, they are a fraud. >> dana, wants the wafers.

>> i like them? >> the black ones too? >> absolutely. >> coming up next joe biden giving an answer on a key issue. what does he plan to do about packing the supreme court. that's next on "the five." >> ♪ ♪

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days come back to me with recommendations as to how to reform the court system because it's getting out of whack. >> so you will study this issue whether to pack the court? >> there are a number of alternatives that go beyond packing. >> this is a live ball. >> it's a live ball. we have to do that. a lot of conservative scholars say that as well. >> that guy looked out of gas. why not appoint a commission to find out what he will have for dinner. make a decision. you are going to be the leader of the free world. >> he is dealing with the hard left in his party. do we still need capitalism. how about landlords or the police department? have commissions for everything. his answer reveals that his

spine is a weather vane. he should take a stand against the practice that undermines our entire republic and destroy this country. court packing would turn it into a one party nation. he acted like the road runner. no way out so painted a tunnel on the wall and ran into it and flattened himself. >> why can't joe say we won't pack the court. if there is an opening, i will fill it? >> to my mind, joe biden is an institutionalist. he said he was not in favor of expansion of the number of seats on the court. at the moment, the gop is throwing the whole court system out of whack boy stacking it. now we have a court that is unbalanced. you have a 6-3 court right now that looks like it could

overturn abortion rights in this country and overturn the a affordable care act and favor big business. >> and win an election. don't destroy the court. >> it doesn't matter. winning elections, because president obama won twice and nominated someone and then the republicans refused to give that man a hearing. i am glad you mentioned it. to my mind, he will take away a lot of the environmental protections if you have a court that is so out of whack. this is a sober and deliberate approach to something that the country may need to get the federal judiciary balanced again. >> dana it's never been 5-4. 6-3.

>> i would love to be first in line for the interview with amy coney barrett after they reject the healthcare laws. that's what will happen. it's not a good lawsuit. i think a commission is another word for kicking the can down the road. you remember that president obama had the commission on entitlements on social security. come help us. came up with thoughtful ideas to shore up the social security system, but it was right before the election and president obama no, i am not for that. >> this reminds me of something pence brought up. he was at the debate. when mueller was there and isis captivity, we needed to act and launch a rescue operation.

obama and biden froze. i don't think he has a leader style that suits him to be commander-in-chief and make strong decisions. >> nothing says nothing better than a commission. better than saying let's have a commission. it's the number 1 best way in washington to not answer a question. we know how joe biden stands on this. he made it very clear in the past. he was against court packing. fdr said it was a bad idea after he tried and failed. now he is talking about the other options. 18-year terms or have rotating justices from the federal court system. you can guarantee that if the shoe were on the other foot, they would haven't this conversation at all. the chips have fallen where they may. this is the way the system works. the president got an opportunity to pick someone and the senate was in the gop majority in this case so they are putting it

through. amy coney barrett gave them reasons policy is not high on the list for the supreme court. they are there to judge whether or not a law is constitutional. that should give people confidence. i don't think anybody knows how she will vote on any of these issues. we will see where it goes. >> yes, coming up president trump feuding with "60 minutes" after a contentious interview. what he did to expose media bias. >> ♪

>> ♪ >> ♪ >> ahead of tonight's big don't president trump makes claims of media bias. in a battle this week with "60

minutes" over what he says was an unfair interview. today the president released his own footage of the sit down and tweeted look at the bias, hatred and rudeness on behalf of "60 minutes" and cbs. tonight's anchor kristen welker is worse. "60 minutes" put out a clip. watch this. >> we created the greatest economy in the history of our country. >> you know that's not true. >> it's totally true. we had the best economy ever. what was happening is things were coming together -- >> what is the priority? >> the priority now is to get back to normal. >> martha, have you done a lot of interviews.

what question was so unfair? >> i think it was her knocking him down and not letting him answer the question. i watched that a few times today. she doesn't say why he is wrong about the economy being the best it's ever been. he went through the employment numbers. he could say look at the bureau of labor statistics. there was not a lot of substance in the follow-up to create the next level of questioning there. that's what i take issue with. i am not sure whether or not it was wise to release their version. there are moments that are not favorable for the president especially on healthcare where he didn't have specific answers about where to take the country. maybe we will see them tonight. >> dana, you were the press sect at the white house. usually these are taped for the national archives and not to retaliate against journalists.

if obama did that, what would be the reaction? >> news flash, donald trump is breaking norms. that's what he does. the question why do the interview in the first place? i think he could have said, i don't care that you are doing an interview with joe biden. i will do a rally and get an audience and talk about what i want to talk about because you are so biassed against me. that's a way to handle it. decided to put it out. he has won the battle against the media. he wages it every day. "60 minutes" are the ones that were the victims of it. >> greg, one question that stomped him was about healthcare. why doesn't he have a plan if he said oh, well -- >> he didn't say oh well.

i watched the entire debate. you have to be thankful that he released this unediting thing. know what the media does. they take a big slab of crap and manufactures it into a story. you saw she is a hack and she was unprepared. she didn't even know the answers to her own questions. when he responded, he looked confused. she brought up hillary and said he brought up hillary. he was a parrot of all of the media assumptions you see every day. it was a lazy performance on her part. i was embarrassed for her and thankful that donald trump pulled the curtain back. we never got to see that before.

a scary movie scream. the teens are picked off one by one and they don't know who it is. it's one of the teens. that's the media. they are being picked off every day. i they assume it's donald trump but they are killing themselves with irrational behavior. >> the president says he is a tough guy but can't deal with an interview with a respected journalist like lesley stahl. he can't handle it? >> he handled it perfectly. she was a disgrace and should be ashamed of herself and she should retire. she didn't want to do her home work. she said the president's campaign was not spied on. how is it that jesse watters read the ig-report and lesley stahl hasn't? she didn't know carter page was wiretapped and they used

undercover agents on the campaign and looked at flynn's bank records without a subpoena. how does she not know that as a journalist at cbs news, the same news that put out forgers are for george w. bush before the election but she is worried about hunter stuff not being verified do. what fox did. they called the guy with the email address and said is this real? yes, it's real. how hard is that, cbs? >> all right. up next. it's the battle of the presidents. barack obama lays into donald trump and trump is firing back next on "the five." >> ♪ >> ♪ we live in uncertain times.

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doesn't fix things! making stuff up doesn't make people live's better. treating the presidency like a reality show he can use to get attention. by the way, even then his tv ratings are down. this is not a reality show. this is reality. donald trump is not suddenly going to protect us. he can't take the basic steps to protect himself. >> whew. and president trump is responding. >> president obama's is campaigning for sleepy joe. that's good news and bad news. nobody campaign harder for crooked hillary. >> i think is awful. you have one of the greatest ground-breaking feeling

shattering presidents. a role model being attacked by obama. >> [laughing]. >> i saw where that was headed. well done. >> i set that up for you. beautiful foilage. >> isn't it nice? >> [laughing]. >> hmmm. did i say that or did you? >> you can't tell where her hair ends and the foliage begins? >> it's fun. you miss us. i was thinking between the two of them. the campaign both relish waging is against each other. i think that president obama believes he would have beat president trump and president trump also wanted to run against barack obama. interesting to see them in the last days of the campaign go at. >> juan, if trump loses this election, he runs again in 2024

against michelle obama? >> that's no race. i don't know. your mind is interesting. >> thank you. >> but i must say. i thought obama landed a lot of punches last night. the best one for anyone who wants to look talking about trump's chinese bank account and paying taxes. if he had done that they would have called him beijing barry. >> i will say beijing biden. >> no one showed up to hear barack obama speak in philadelphia. less than 100 people and donald trump had 26,000 people in north carolina. i think donald trump should offer to parten joe biden. because that way joe can rest easy. when he loses he won't go to

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♪ >> dana: time now for >> jesse: , we got some extra time, greg do you want to use yours wisely? >> greg: i would like to do one of my poems i read in college, approximately 13 pages about myself -- no, we're going to do this. greg's unbelievably amazing ne news! it's finally here, president trump and joe biden face-off in the final debate tonight and remember you can be part of it. fox news democracy 2020 live is there for you with instant

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you want to keep the music going for mine i think i deserve it. here in nashville of course and i want to share this with you, desiree robinson is the cofounder of the legendary barbecue joint called cozy corner and she received a prestigious honor on tuesday, she was inducted into the american barbecue hall of fame. she and her late husband raymond opened the restaurant in 1977 and it's become a multigenerational success -- at the age of 83, she's also the first black woman inducted into the barbecue hall of fame so next time we are in tennessee we are definitely going to make a trip to the cozy corner and get some ribs for you, greg. congratulations to desiree. >> juan: as dana mentioned, we are in nashville, the country music capital and there was some news today other than the debate that has the locals talking, it was announced today the

trailblazing country music star charlie pride will become only the sixth winner of a lifetime achievement award at the cmas later this year. they're listening to one of his 29 number one hits in the 60s, 70s, and 80s -- it's called kiss an angel, good morning. he's now 86, he was named to the entertainer of the year in 1971 and the male artist of the year in both 71 and a 72 -- he has three grammys and is already in the country music hall of fame. congratulations to charlie pri pride. >> dana: i love that song. >> jesse: i feel like low energy jeb sitting next to got filled -- it's jesse's political cookie news, let's start it. there it is. you know how you can tell who's going to win the election by the kind of halloween costumes, if

somebody buys the obama mass, the trump mask, that's the determinant factor -- it's who buys the trump cookie or the biden cookie -- this is a bakery in hatboro pennsylvania, i don't know how to say it -- it's a battleground state in case you haven't heard of. i'm going to tell you how many cookies of each candidate they've sold so far. joe biden cookies have sold at approximately a pace of 2,800 and they have sold 10,500 cookies of donald trump. i think people need to start heading to the polls for joe biden in pennsylvania because is not looking good there. i'm going to take a bite of trump. delicious. >> dana: i think that's a good pole.

my bumper music was supposed to be the new dierks bentley song, we'll try again tomorrow but here in nashville, that's my song. special coverage of the presidential debate with brett and martha maccallum begins right now. ♪ >> bret: tonight, the rematch. the first debate was an epic struggle. what it lacked in the quorum and the substance -- [crosstalk] >> it more than made up for in intensity and insults. >> everything he's saying so far is simply a lie. i want to make sure -- >> you graduated last in your class. >> bret: tonight come around two, both candidates searching for a knockout. >> we are going to keep on fighting and we are going to keep on winning, winning,