howie: this is media buzz, i'm howard kurtz in the end is donald trump versus the media. after 4 long days, all media projecting that joe biden winning the election. they don't want the truth to be exposed. the simple fact is the election was far from over. the race was much closer than the media expected.

>> i'm humbled by the trust and confidence you placed in me. i pledge to be a president who seeks not to divide, but unify. howie: a telling moment when the president made unproven allegations of election fraud from the white house and four networks cbs, msnbc, broke away. >> if you count the legal votes, i easily win. if you count the illegally votes, they win. >> here we are in the unusual position of not only interrupting the president of the united states but correcting the president of the united states. there are no illegal vote that is we know of. >> what a sad night for the united states of america, their

president say that to falsely accuse people of trying to steal election. try to attack democracy. >> an attempt to suppress information while big tech institutions the corrupt media mob, they cut away from the president speaking so that their own idiotic pundits could trash him. howie: joining us to analyze the coverage mollie hemingway senior editor of the federalist and in jdediah bia and ray suárez, world affairs. mollie, the president of the united states says the media is helping claim victory he hasn't won. the networks did their mathematical calculations and said biden will win pennsylvania in tend. do you think the president's efforts to cast this as fake news are working?

mollie: the media clearly are doing everything in their power to help their candidate who is joe biden be able to claim that he won this election and they are doing that in parton how they make calls on different states. even though pennsylvania has a hundred thousand provisional ballots outstanding and outstanding than in north carolina. the media are not calling north carolina that's a state trump is ahead in but they do call pennsylvania even before the counting is done. the thing is that the media used to have a position of trust where they could say this is going to happen and people would generally trust it. the media because of how they've behaved for the last 4 year where every single thing done more or less has been done to hurt donald trump and his supporters, to lie about donald trump and his supporters, create false narratives of who is going to win an election or whether there's russia collusion or brett kavanaugh is a serial gang

rapist. everything that they've seen in the last 4 years is fraudulent and corrupt. that doesn't mean the votes are no longer being counted or not legitimate legal challenges or this is over, so that's just the problem that the media has and they've made that decision to lose all credibility through their own behavior. howie: i don't question your point on credibility. i would note that fox obviously has made the calls as well. you know, just a quick point here, people of critics like to say fox is partisan. msnbc all day yesterday, liberal anchors celebrating a biden victory, fox and cnn had news anchors in charge, karl rove praised speech as pitch perfect. jedediah four years ago trump won the election. that's how it works. the president tweeted this morning and flagged by twitter and you pressed newt gingrich if

there's evidence of widespread fraud. jededia: i just don't think that the decision desks are some kind of missions, i don't believe that about our decision desk. they are looking at the returning coming in. they have done their job quite well particularly at fox news i was really impressed by a lot of the work. not just this year but every year. i did press that issue because i think that to come out and say that there is voter fraud, of course, there is a certain degree of voter fraud in every election. that's an unfortunate reality but to make a statement of an election being stolen or rigged, that can be a dangerous statement. that can really rile people up. i haven't seen any evidence of that as of yet. now, of course, the things are in litigation, some have been thrown out and some still being considered. who knows, maybe it'll come up but it would have to be enough

voter fraud to change the outcome of the election and i'm not seeing that and you don't want an electorate that doesn't want faith in the system. you have to have faith in the democratic process. howie: ray, does it seem a little odd that a handful of network decision desks and the ap are able to make the declaration and the entire world recognizes president trump as president elect and biden himself whose campaign was pressing cnn and others to make the call wouldn't give victory speech until he had the media certification? ray: well, look, the media certification is not based on anything, it's not media certification, it's the media taking information that they get from governmental bodies that are counting the votes projecting in on that. if they were in the tank with joe biden, why they didn't call the election tuesday night, wednesday night or friday night. the idea that they are going to embarrass themselves by saying

that election went one way when they clearly went another is ludicrous and when it doesn't turn out this way, all the people making the accusation will not head to their outlets and say, i was wrong. it's ridiculous and the idea that biden would expose himself in that way is just as ridiculous. the decision desk has standards and metrics. howie: all right. sorry, ray. mollie, what did you make of the four networks breaking away from the president trump's speech. msnbc caughting after 1 minute, no, no, he's not telling the truth. mollie: it's unconscionable not just this week, weeks prior and years prior. the standard that we need to meet for voter confidence in elections is that they have trust that these results are accurate. the more that people say, there's no evidence of any problems, that actually leads to people having less trust in the media when they themselves know

that mail-in balloting leads to fraud. there's a reason why france banned mail-in balloting in 1975. why jerry nadler used to say mail-in ballot is really bad if you care about integrity. if you have some state that is don't even require signature requirements and have sudden and suspicious changes in voting where people are not allowed oversight and you have credible allegations of dead people voting or people voting illegally or fraudulently in different elections and the media respond by saying, we have no interest in investigating, this we are going to assert that it's not true, that actually further corrodes people's confidence and it's inappropriate because the standard that needs to be met is that every american needs to have confidence and a lot of republican voters, 71 million republican voters feel that the media are helping a political party basically take any election it wants with no oversight and the more the media

claim that there's no -- you can't have any problem with this, the more that people are -- the more that confirms people's suspicions that this is fraudulent. howie: but to just say we are pulling away now, don't listen to that guy and pulling the plug on the president, that strikes me as reinforcing the view that the media are not being fair here. jededia: yeah, that's not a producer decision i would have made. i would have let him continue because that's the president, right. so now every time if joe biden is, in fact, the next president, every time he does a press conference and he says something that's inaccurate are the media going to pull away and fact-check. that's an extremely dangerous precedent to set. you have the issue here which is that some of the things that the president is saying, they are untrue but politicians do that. he's not the first politician to ever come out and say untrue things. you really have selective

interjection by the media in certain cases and not others and that's what bothers me. if they had let him finish his peace and come in at the end and fact-check, have nonpartisan people, it doesn't match up to what he's saying, here is why, i have no issue with that. i have issue with cut away that wouldn't necessarily happen with one candidate and does happen with another politician. that seems arbitrary and intentional and not good. howie: cnn and fox did not cut away from the president. wall street journal saying president trump's mood as black, advisers to prepare for eventuality of losing. some are pushed him to unlikely outcome. these are unknown sources but is he continue to go argue that this election is stolen? ray: it's inevitable that the

stories are going to appear when there's not much coming out of the white house. i read this morning two different stories, one saying jared kushner was pushing the president to concede, another one saying that he was leading the forces telling them to stay and fight. obviously both stories can't be true. it would be better if the white house was giving more regular statements but they aren't and in that vacuum start to come unsourced stories. they're a problem but when people won't go on the record, what are you going to do? howie: mollie, in the new york post, conservative editorial page is urging the president to stop the stolen election and conspiracy talk, rick sanitorium said on cnn trump's comments was dangerous and ben shapiro, it's not just the liberal media which are saying the president is

going too far with his rhetoric. mollie: i'm not sure that i agree with that. tens of millions of american voters are deeply concerned about election integrity. they are worried about the fraud that can result reasonable from lack of oversight of election and this is a great example of how corrupt the media can be. they only put on conservative voices if they are going to tear down the president, 71 million americans support and only support people who criticize him and anonymous sources who criticize him and people are rightfully very concerned about that. you have more unity in the republican party than you've ever had in modern history with 95% of people supporting this president and with -- you would not believe how many people are concerned about election integrity and the more that you have people saying this is not a real issue, the more concerned people are that there is no way to fix this problem which is a very legitimate problem no matter how much the media shouts that it's not. howie: okay. by the way, another problem is

covid-19. on friday record-breaking day. 132,000 new cases, 126,000 yesterday. mark meadows, 5 white house officials testing positive. obviously it's a story that will not go away and will plague the next president. when we come back, how election night stunned many of the pundits who expected a blowout loss for president trump and later frank luntz on national polling debacle.

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howie: almost a sense of shock on election night and deflated news as hopes of early biden win were clashed and pundits described how this could happen. >> i just know that there are a lot of people out there who may be paying attention to most

trump-hating pundits. >> i just cannot get over my total surprise that of disconnect of what we are watching on the screen and what has been confidently predicted across the media landscape for months. >> you can feel the hopes and the dreams of our viewers falling down and you can hear liquor cabinets open across the great land. howie: but when the president's prospects starting fading the next day the trauma turned to taunting. >> the most powerful person in the world and we see him like an obese turtle on his back flaying in the sun. the media narrative was easy win for joe biden and president trump got 48% of popular vote, came down to 2 or 3 states and you could really see some of those anchors and correspondents struggling to explain this on tuesday night.

mollie: when it comes to the media and conservative voters and their politicians, the media lie, they lie, they lie and then they lie. they were shocked by what happened because they spent the last 4 years lying about the success of the donald trump administration. they thought they had done enough to cover up all of the corruption of the biden -- of a potential biden administration through how they covered that campaign. they created false narratives such as the russia collusion hoax, anonymous, kavanaugh situation, and they lied through minute intentionally false polling which said this is was going to be a blowout for democrats, the democrats were going take the senate, gains in the house and that joe biden would win easily in a landslide. the voters had a say and that's not what happened, donald trump gained votes unlike barack obama when he ran for reelection and lost 4 million votes, donald trump gained 7 million votes. the house which fox news decision desk predicted would gain 5 democratic seats actually gained republican seats, quite a few of them. the senate is not at this point

unless you can have similar things happen in other states happen in georgia and pennsylvania go to -- go to democrats. and you had more minority voters supporting donald trump than any republican in history and so all of these things that the media said about donald trump were not true and so, yes, they were surprised when the voters had a say. howie: jedediah, nearly half of the country voted for president trump and that's hard for many in the mainstream media to swallow, your thoughts? jedediah: there's been so much nastiness that has come out during the trump administration from the media and it's really unfortunate. i see that anderson cooper apologized for that and he should. you have joe biden coming out and calling for unity, i would like to have a country that can sit down and have a conversation about politics without being at each other's throats. problem is conservatives feel that they are disparaged all of the time.

trump voters felt for years, they are labeled as racists, they are labeled this, that and the other thing. they are tired of it and feel that the media and democratic establishment are working against them. they are on edge on defense all of the time. that's an unfortunate reality. i don't know how you fix that until the media owns that and takes responsibility and begins to objectively again look at democrats and republicans and really give fair assessments of what's going on and feel confidence again in the electorate that they can at least trust who's disseminating the information. that's a big problem, howie. howie: 4 years of trump's upset, journalists, most of them in new york, la, national political pundits are still having trouble understanding the appeal of this man to much of the heartland? ray: yeah, i think that's fair.

they tried during the intervening years spend more time in the country and spend more time talking to those voters. i saw tons of journalism being committed doing just that, both on the air and in print. and along with those excesses and those overreaches that you saw and i'm glad anderson cooper apologized as well, there were countless handy caps of the coming counting that says here is what the look for, if f the president is doing well, you will see this and this and if joe biden is doing this, you will see this and this. careful measured, not slam-dunking and not predicting along with excerpts like you just showed. those thing happened. it's a big world out there and a lot of people were being careful, responsible and not prejudging the race. howie: i want to play a clip from tuesday night because fox is the only network that has called arizona for joe biden, his lead shrunk to 20,000 votes.

>> i'm sorry, the president is not going to be able to take over and win enough votes to eliminate that 7-point lead that the former vice president has. howie: strong pushback from the campaign about that call. some fox commentators challenged it on the air. jared kushner called rupert murdoch to complain about the arizona call, contrary to vanity fair, president trump did not call rupert murdoch. if the president would have called i would not have interfered or change the call and that shows the independence of the news decision. joining us up next how would a change in the president -- in presidents affect the media after 4 years of an insane news

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howie: after 4 years of covering a nonstop presidency, matt giving president trump a sendoff with a catch phrase from the apprentice. how would life change for journalists next january. joining us from connecticut, charlie gasparino. charlie, nonstop tweets and controversies has been huge gift for news businesses, clicks are up, ratings are up, we had 3 million people watch the program last week but it's been exhausting. how would it change how you and me do the jobs? charles: it was exciting and accelerating when he came down the staircase when he was walking down and was running. it's obviously going to be less exciting with joe biden.

joe biden is a much more laid back guy and also older now. he's, you know, it's going to be -- it's going to be snoozier parts of covering the white house every day. however, i will say this, howie, there's major policy implications in the new president. how far does he push the left-wing agenda that he ran on? and how far he pushes gop senate, how much they push back against his agenda? there could be great stories. there's going to be a lot of financial and economic stories given involving taxes, spending. howie: and i would just say, you know, biden also ran against further left wing of his party and we will see if he resist it is pressure. since biden won't be conducting twitter wars or firing people or attacking the press, we presume, won't that leave us with less to cover? policy is great but doesn't drive a lot of ratings and make

washington politics less of a national obsession? charles: donald trump has been prepping for this job and certainly sales job of it for years. i mean, i've been in new york journalism and i worked for new york tabloids, you know, i covered donald for years, this was tailored made for him. he's going to leave and there's going to be a vacuum. i will tell you this, howie, i come to the media side, merger acquisitions, i talk to media suits, they are worried about trump leaving and, you know, tv ratings going down, people less engaged in newspapers. newspapers were dying but all the online traffic on stories was off the charts, the times had record subscriptions online, tv ratings have been off the charts. will that continue? i can tell you from a business standpoint the tv suits, the guys looking at the balance sheets are worried that donald trump will take a bite out of their revenues. howie: so isn't it ironic that for some of these organizations that have made trump actually a

business model, in fact, the president pointed this out, he's been very good for the cash registers for these organizations that say worst president ever, right? charles: right. think about some of the leading trump -- i have lots of friends there. i think they are great journalists at cnn. look who runs cnn, jeff, put donald trump on the map, running nbc, apprentice, clearly helped him in the first time he ran and turned on him and admitted, that was a business model decision, by the way. trying to get an audience that's different than ours because this is a business. this is the sad part about it. i'm a reporter and you're a reporter, some of this is bashing trump because it's good for ratings. you know, maybe we will get back to journalism. howie: i agree with that. that has been the business model. obviously it's different environment for fox because president trump has done majority of interviews with fox news or fox business network and

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howie: joe biden may have been declared the winner but the polling business is taking a whole lot of heat for screwing up the 2020 election including from the incumbent president. >> and polls got it knowingly wrong, the polls are so ridiculous and everybody knew -- >> howie: joining us from new york frank luntz, veteran republican pollster. the president says these were suppression polls knowingly wrong. talk about that and also the broader picture. what did this nail-biter of an election do despite polls

showing win for joe biden to the credibility of your business? frank: let's be specific there was a washington postpoll that had joe biden winning 17 points in wisconsin. he ended up winning by 1 point. it was cnn poll that had 12-point victory, final poll of the election, he ends up winning by 3 points. a host of surveys were wrong and wrong for 3 reasons. trump voters do not like to be polled. if you want them to participate, they need to know that their voices are heard and they need to know that it matters and they need to know that their opinions will not be turned against them. second, we still have a problem of rural versus urban voters with trump doing so well in the rural communities, very often they get underrepresent bid the polls that -- that respond too much to urban communities and frankly, third, i don't think

pollsters talk to the voters themselves therefore they get it wrong again and again but donald trump is wrong. howie: he's wrong saying it was deliberate. this is the second straight election presidential election that the polling industry is basically botched. how does your business recover from that can your business recover from that or is there a series loss of credibility here? frank fang -- frank: i think what is happening is accountability in action and if you got it wrong this time, you got it wrong twice in a row, you shouldn't be working in the business. you can sell real estate. howie: also neck and neck in texas. you predicted president trump would take early lead on election night based on same-day

votings and could take 4 days which turned out to be the case for donald trump -- joe biden to overtake him. trump was running the worst campaign you've ever seen and 9 were liable for political malpractice and came to close to winning. frank: donald trump would have won if he had not done so badly in the united states. he made wise decisions of where he went but he has to look at himself, look at himself in the mirror and say, is it my vote, is it the things that i said, is it the presentations i gave, what we now know it was a close election and the pollsters said it was going to be a blowout, they shouldn't be working anymore. trump himself has to really come to grips with the first debate and how damaging it was to candidacy. howie: so you see that as a

turning point. frank, nobody forces journalists to be polling addicts, so when journalists use the polls to use prognosis, how did they make a big a blunder as some of the colleagues in the polling business? frank: polls are supposed to be a snapshot and that's all they are and you should not be using them to make predictions but in the end they do explain how people think and they do explain how people feel if you talk to the voters themselves and, howie, what i'm more focused on are the focus groups, that you have to listen to what voters have to say and understand whey they feel the way they do to explain it to give richer description of what is actually going on and too many pollsters and too many journalists just look at the numbers and they look -- don't look at what's behind the numbers and until they accept, they will continue to get it wrong. howie: because you did a number

of focused groups in swing states, tell us your thought on why it is the national journalists, 6 years after donald trump came down the escalator still have trouble understanding the motivation, the world view of the nearly half the country that did vote to give donald trump a second term? frank: the truth is they are not listening and i'm not convinced that they want to know. the focus groups that i did for a major newspaper, the people in the newsroom tried to kill it again and again and again. they did not want to have as part of their coverage. they we wanted to control the narrative and they did not want to give it to the voters themselves but they felt uncomfortable about me. howie, the stuff that we did in the very first -- the first debate, donald trump did not win that debate. he did badly and that's exactly what the focus group shows and the people in the newsroom don't want accountability.

they don't want to hear this voice, and so that's why they get it wrong. howie: actually, frank, i assume you don't want to name the newspaper but in about 20 seconds you are saying that basically some journalists and news organizations did not want to hear anything that would be more positive to trump or more negative to joe biden? that's a pretty serious charge. >> i know exactly what i'm saying. i did not mention the name. i know i'm on live television. i think that we need to take a full view of ourselves and how we present ourselves, of how we do things in accurate and accountable way and that's why i invited reporters onto my sessions and i invited them to ask questions and i was transparent. that's what the news media needs right now particularly in the newsrooms of newspapers. genuine accountable, genuine transparency, come clean of what you really want and what you're reporting because the mesh people deserve nothing less. >> right. joe biden may have won but journalists have a lot to answer for and they can't just blame it

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howie: much of the media is hailing joe biden now that he's been projected to win the presidency, but just over 8 months ago when he got clobbered

in iowa and new hampshire, virtually all the pundits said he was toast. >> looks like biden campaign is collapsing and on the verge of collapsing. >> i think he's on his way out the door. howie: we could have played a lot more. joining us to analyze kat timpf and mara liasson. kat, another major media fail in my view, all the pundits writing biden's obituary, here he is projected to win the white house. kat: absolutely, this started after poor show in iowa, romney, mccain, clinton, they all won the nomination after having poor showings in iowa and i think that's because a lot of people probably had issues before that even, whether he could handle a

rigorous strenuous campaign season at all and the poor showing sort of reinforce that and i read a piece of politico back in july that said actually the fact that think wrote him off helped because he can be a gaffe machine and he clinched the nomination already, the bigger story, the thing called coronavirus, so he had the benefit again. howie: yeah, everybody looks brilliant when you win a campaign. mara, when the media world was saying biden was too old, too out of touch, insufficient liberal, i knew the democratic party wasn't as liberal as it seems on twitter and they want voters, ranking file might want a safe on joe biden who has been around roughly forever. mara: i think the biggest takeaway for the media on so many levels but especially riding joe biden off is humility the conclusions that we jumped

to aren't necessarily right. it looked like elizabeth warren, aoc, it looked like there was left-wing energy in the democratic party. yes, there is at the grassroots. remember what happened south carolina onward. joe biden has no fun, no field organization but the democratic voters pushed him over the finish line. they made a decision and hadn't heard from him from a commercial or door knock. they looked at bernie and they looked at him and donald trump, we think biden is the best guy to beat trump and guess what they were right and they never waived. he was -- yes. howie: humility seems in short supply in this business. [laughter] howie: even as biden was going to score 270 liberals commentator tory talking to trump voters, i hope the pain and anxiety is -- here talking

about a possible biden presidency. >> i will immediately turn around my head and be critical of him because you cannot come into the white house with the idea that these people aren't the enemy. they are. mitch mcconnell is the enemy. howie: kat, why are so many liberals angry when their guy was winning? kat: i think this is the exact reason why trump did so much better than was expected because a lot of people see trump voters as monolithic group which isn't the guy. some people love the guy, love everything that he has done and others who maybe don't feel that way but they saw it as socialism versus capitalism or something like that, they sort of held their nose and voted for trump. when they see things like this where people refuse to consider that that could be possible that ends up pushing them further right and towards trump.

howie: good point. mara, on the view saying he's misogynist and half of the country supported. why the need to denigrate voters who exercise right to have a different decision than you made at the voting -- >> mara: i don't know why the need. i think it's bad, i think it's strategically stupid. everybody needs allies and guess who isn't doing that? joe biden what did he say in his speech, he said to those who voted for trump, i know what it's like to lose or to be disappointed, i've lot a bunch myself let's give each other a chance. that's what he said and that's how he will try to govern. remember his brand is about uniting lowering the temperature, see if we can get some practical things done together to solve problems. howie: we will see if he's able to pull that off. kat, half a minute. mainstream media gave joe biden a pass this whole year on doing fewer national interviews and

limiting press access, do you see that changing if he's president, when he's president? kat: i certainly -- i certainly hope not because it's important no matter the party for news the media and also as citizens to hold the people in power both accountable, check on their power. i think they won't be as tough as they were on trump but i really do hope that we can maintain that. howie: if the media are not notwhere near tough on biden as they have been for 6 years on trump, that's going to make a lot of trump supporters feel, again, that they are not getting a fair shake from this business. let me get a break here. still to come, twitter is at it again censoring posts from president trump and his team. stay with us. ♪ ♪

howie: twitter has hidden or slapped warning labels on more than a dozen tweets by the president and his campaign and son eric an top aides raising questions about whether the tech giant is blatantly bias. just yesterday twitter flagged this presidential tweet, i won this election by a lot. earlier there was this one from eric trump, the amount of fraud being reported in pennsylvania, michigan, nevada and georgia, and wisconsin is unreal. kat, twitter at it again this morning flagging tweets by the president himself when he talks about thieves in places like philadelphia, stolen election, why does jack dorsey's company after the hunter biden fiasco thinks it has the right to suppress and censor tweets by the president and say we are not politically bias. kat: twitter has the right to censor whatever it wants and it cannot do it this way and say it's not bias. i saw a piece last week saying, hey, if their goal is to try and stop the spread of misinformation and/or to lessen

the president's influence, the way they are handling feels on both. i expect this to be completely factually true, they are not going to catch everything and that will go wrong. second of all, you know, the hiding of the tweeting, that draws more attention to them and makes the people who support the president do so more passionately because they see him as a victim and pushes them further towards them. howie: shines a spotlight on them. mara, maybe there's an argument of flagging tweets widespread fraud, maybe. the president says i won this election, i won pennsylvania, says it prematurely. people get it, it's political speech or spin, they can figure it out, why would you suppress that? mara: yeah, look, you know, twitter is a private company that's been given tremendous protections by congress about what it can do and what it can't do and what is responsible and what is not responsible for and unless congress wants to regulate twitter in the way that

forces them to let anything be said, that's one alternative. there could be conservative twitter just like there are now conservative capable -- cable networks where there didn't use to be. i'm not sure of the solution but i will tell you, though, on social media when conservatives compete they come up on top. what's the fastest biggest trending post on facebook right now, the ones that you just read by donald trump. howie: yeah, naturally. kat, democratic lawmakers are calling on twitter to suspend the president's account, that's not going to happen but isn't that a pretty blatant attempt to silence the opposition? kat: absolutely, guardian, usa today, twitter has said that he has special treatment because he's considered a news worthy individual, he's the president of the united states, and that he will no longer have that when he's not the president of the united states. so i think we will hear the

calls get louder. howie: yeah, he will still be a news worthy individuals. kat: he will make sure of it. howie: mara, half a minute, i want to get you in on the question of one he's in the white house, joe biden will feel engaged with reporters more and give more interviews? >> certainly more than he's done during the campaign. i don't think he will ever be as accessible as donald trump, yes, i think so. he really engaged at a very minimal level during the campaign and i expect that to change. howie: yeah, he was playing it safe. by the way, all the critics of president trump in the media no one can argue that the president didn't deliver incredible access to the point where we got used to talking to him 5 times a day, that's done and we are done. kat timpf, thanks for joining us. that's it for this edition of media buzz, thanks for watching this election year and especially in large numbers, we hope that you will like our

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harris: special couple of hours for you sunday, president trump and his team now deciding -- rather they're -- i'm going to wait a moment for the team to catch up. president trump and his team now deciding that they are going to press ahead with their lawsuits and take a look at what can happen going forward. we will go to first reporter and i apologize right off the top we are having difficulties here. david spunt as trump is suing the president in key states but will commit to a peaceful transfer of power if no