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two thinks about america make it great, the country and its people. this is a truly beautiful place. that's the first thing. if you are absorbed in your phone all day, it's easy to forget that, but look around. it's stunning. switzerland has the alps, but multiply that by an entire continent, you have what we have come america. from the islands of puget sound scum of the and casco bay, to the rockies and the badlands, the appalachian mountains in between, spend a day of hiking the forest in wyoming. you might not see another pers person. how can a place so gorgeous be so empty? we have a lot of those here. wake up in big sur california some morning from the smell of redwoods and salt air will change you. you will feel things you inherited from your ancestors, coming from places of the modern world cannot touch. we are blessed to live in a place like this. more blessed than we acknowledge. in a matter what happens next,

no matter who becomes a president, nowow or in the futu, nothing can diminish the dignity of an eastern white pinete towering above the spruce in the forest. all of it is ours to enjoy, thank god. we've got a lot of people to enjoy it with. an awful lot. americans are still the best people, misguided as we sometimes are. this isn't an especially religious country anymore, but surveys on churchgoing do not tell the whole story. even now, most americans know they are not really in charge of the universe. they know there is something bigger out there, bigger than all of us combined. when you understand that, when you know in your bones how small you are and how short the ride is likely to be, you tend to treat people better. americans do. don't let cable news for you. don't let uss flow you. this is a profoundly nice country, the nicest in the wor world. americans are kind to children, to pets, to strangers. we give more money to charity

than any other place. we tip our waiters more. there is no country on earth you'd rather be lost in. someone will help you. in america, we don't eat dogs, we rescue them. they sleep on the bed, we give them funny names, we cry when they die. it's a sweet country. in some ways, it's getting better. the music is definitely improving, so is the food. believe it or not, we still make things here, and a lot of them are pretty good. that probably won't change. americans love innovation, but they are distrustful of anyone's radical plans for the future. most people here don't want an abrupt reshuffling of anything, they want incremental improvements. that's life we have had only one revolution, fought off the metric system all these years, andd thank heaven we have. tylee still have and always wi will. christmas in america is great, even if you don't really't understand what it's about -- and many people don't. it still the happiest time of the year, and still american.

americas a happy country, despitee everything. our happiness is fundamental.di it is in a founding document. it is in our i people. nothing happening tonight can take that away. mark steyn isn't from america. he came here voluntarily, but he stayed an awfully long time. he joins us now to tell us why. mark steyn, why are you still here? >> well, i first came here rather accidentally, and i fell in love with small-town new hampshire, which has had a tough time of it, but it's interesting to me. what struck me compared to say, france, you can have a really nice town next to a really crummy town because the people in those towns get to decide how to govern themselves. i came very quickly to agree with tocqueville, in that sense, town government in new hampshire is the best system of government ever devised.er at a gloomy time like this, it's my observation that the integrity and the health of

government diminishes as you go upwards, from towns, three states, to the federal level, so i think there's a lot to be said. when you look at town government, as tocqueville sound, americans feel free to govern themselves where it matters. to go to the broader point, which isde what you've been talking about it, the purpose of politics is to enable life, so if you just obsessed with, oh, who is looking good for 2022? do you like nikki haley 42024 or do you prefer christie? to hell with that, there is nothing conservative about that, the point of being conservative, the point of politics, is to enable life, and as we've said, and all those other areas of life, america has built a pretty good society. we should not wall ourselves up in horse race politics, because if you're into politics, all the action is being madeit elsewher. whatever you feel about, you

know, transgenderrism, it's not because joe biden and hillary started advocating it, it's because they created the conditions for it in that great mass of 95% of life that has nothing to do with electoral politics. too much of which conservatives have abandoned. and i think it's great come at a time like this, just to get out into that space and say there are 73 million people here who want to be playing on that turf, too. >> tucker: it does seem -- this is a political show, and, youw. know, kind of what we do, but it does seem like a lot of people are utterly focused on the political system, as you know, to the exclusion of everythingl else. what should we be looking at if we really want to engage in the health of the country and we really want to appreciate the country? >> well, i think you look at it on broader issues. one of the depressing things,

slightly, is the way things that used to be universally accepted, such as free speech, for example, are now seen as weird, right wing obsessions. that's why, again, it's actually very healthy, what has happened in the last couple of weeks. the 73 million people who turned out to vote for president trump, that's an extraordinary number, and even more extraordinary, when you consider howr. much tuf the republican party and conservatives in general have just abandoned. we don't play in the pop culture, we don't play on big tech, and yet, somehow, we managed to be holding up on surviving as a mass. if we just took that mass -- target tried to ban some book today that was allegedly transposed bit, people pushed back and got that reversed. the lesson is when you take 73 million people out into the great broad span of american life, you find at its fullest,

they are a real force, and that is more important than everybody worrying about which congressman is going to be elected and which district in ohio. life -- life is where you express your values, including our political values. >> tucker: so, i've just got to ask you -- i never asking personal questions, but you were born in one country, you grew up in another country, you have lived in still other countries, you really are international in the truly know my truest sense, but you live here, you chose to. what is it about america that you like? >> well, it's the small things. whenhi my first child was born,y daughter, i found out just from a casual conversation with a librarian in my town who was congratulating me, and she said, we always do a hand painted bookplate for every new child, newborn baby, and put it in the children's book, and it is there in the library for all interna d. i was just touched by that.

the other thing i think is the great span of american life. as you know, we are a couple days away from the 400th anniversary of the landing of the mayflower. my towns overseer of the poor, as they call it, elected office, and the fire chief, our descendants of john and priscilla auburn from the d mayflower, as is marilyn monroe. and the fact that marilyn monroe and the overseer of the poor and my small new hampshire town could both be descended from this couple that happened to arrive 400 years ago, i found a oddly expressive, the great expanse of american life and how everything is possible. just a small point, but i always found it very touching, especially on this 400th anniversary. >> tucker: that's wonderful. this is a wonderful country. we are grateful to have you.

mark steyn, thank you. >> thanks a lot, tucker. >> tucker: well, here is another indication of how gooddi we have it. journalists are now demanding that you capitalize certain letters, absolutely demanding it. huh. because we solved all the other problems. so what is long with this? jason whitlock has thought more about this thing, it seems likee a small thing, even when it's not. he thinks it tells you something much bigger. it's worth hearing, straight ahead. ♪ - the world is in turmoil. been turned on it's head. of a possible recession..

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♪ ♪ wray >> tucker: with everythinggoingd that people who read the news must capitalize the b in the word black. according to the ap, the capitalization creates "a shared sense of history and community among people who identify as black." okay. but the ap also doesn't want anyone to capitalize the w in white. all right, why? here's the quote open: white people generally do not share the same history and culture." okay. so, what does this mean. is there a deeper meaning that we can take from it? and want to that effect does it

have on society? language changes the way we think, it's the means by which we communicate, but also the means by which we understand the world, so when the words change, so do our ideas and understanding. jason would like us thought more about this than anyone we know, of course one of the founders of -- and he joins us tonight. jason, thank you so much for coming on. this is one of those little changes, capitalizing one letter. we are journalists, so we are paying attention, but you thought this through and believe this is actually a bigger deal. what do you think it means? >> it is a much bigger deal. it is a way of defining to black people that your most prized possession, your greatest asset, your most defining characteristic, is your skin color. and once you convince people that their skin color is their most important asset, defining characteristic, they then start to cater all their behavior toor

show off that attribute. no one else has to live up to their skin color. they are free to accentuate their intelligence, their basic -- commitment to family, love of freedom, but we, as black people, as defined by the white liberals come in my view, running the mainstream media, running hollywood, we have to live up to our skin color above alll else, and that's just not much of an attribute, in terms of -- it's great packaging. i'm very proud of being black. but that's not my number one attribute.ib i want to be defined by my faith in god. i want to be defined by my intelligence. that's what i want people to see,wh and when they think about me, not my skin color. >> tucker: so you have a completely different take. most people in their solace would say, okay, this is an

elaborate show of respect. you are saying it as a means of control. >> no question about it, tucker, if you go back 400 years ago when america introduced slavery, black people's skin color was, hey, that is a special class of people, they are black. they are poor because of their skin color. they don't have as much freedom as everybody else. their skin color tell you all you need to know about them. that is there defining characteristic. these people, 400 years later, these are the ideological descendants of those bigots from 400 years ago, doubling down a written reminder to black people, yourtt skin color is yor defining characteristic. and therefore, we are going to limit your freedom. you spend all of your energy trying to be unapologetically black. everybody else gets to go out and try to be intelligent,

responsible, god-fearing, patriotic -- look, asian-americans come into this country and, and they don't try to live up to their skin color. they are not sending their kids into the world, "be yellow." they consider the word "yellow" and insult, they do not want to be defined by their skin color. they send their kids, "no, you rgo out there and be smarter thn everybody else," defining yourself by their intelligence and ability to achieve in this country. black people come on like everybody else, you go out and prove to everybody how black you are. become unapologetically black and weou are going to celebrate it, and then, and black people, we don't even control what is black. that's why chelsea handler and every liberal running hollywood, joe biden, you don't vote for him, you're not black, if you don't think all these liberal thoughts, you're not flat, we

are not even in control of that, so we are actually trying to meet standards defined for us by other people, live up to their standards, and that is what -- and they are defining blackness a lot of things that just aren't healthy forlo us. that just aren't -- again, being a rapper and saying the letter and word is about the blackest thing you can do, according to hollywood. this is crazy. this all started, watching dave chappelle's "saturday night live" monologue last saturday, and i was like, dave chappelle is smarter than this. >> tucker: yes, he is. >> but he's been forced like everyone else that is black and a celebrity, when they put you on their hollywood stage, when the people in control of hollywood grant you that stage, you go be black, dave. you go costs, say the n-word, generalize about white people, be racist, be angry, be all those things, don't lean into your intelligence, dave,

lean into these things that we've defined as being black. >> tucker: so smart. i haven't heard anybody say that, and i'm really glad that you did come and i hope that a lot of people just saw that and will see that. jason whitlock, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> tucker: as you know, over the summer, the city council of the city of minneapolis, formerly peaceful, prosperous city of minneapolis, voted to defund the police. what happens next? tonight, because we can't control ourselves, we will tell you the conclusion the city council of minneapolis has come to. that's next. ♪

>> tucker: well, in june, the blm rioters destroyed entire neighborhoods in minneapolis to avenge george floyd. local politicians decided they need to take action, not action against the rioters -- no, of course not. against the police. the minneapolis city council unanimously voted to begin the process of replacing the police

department with something called a community-led public safety system. it was never clear exactly what that was, but they voted to do it. they also cut $1 million in funding from the police department and gave it to the health department. okay, so less -- but more murders. something you could predict began happening, what could have caused that? in september, members of the minneapolis city council had a zoom meeting, put their heads together. here are some of the brainstorming that resulted. >> i would appreciate some more information on how we are addressing the carjackings. i know there's been a number of them in the community, and they really terrorized residents. >> gun violence, drug dealing, intimidation, extortion, people are having to pay to get out of

their alleys. >> last night, i had yet another 17-year-old murdered in my ward. i would say -- i don't have an exact number, but it's been at least five 17-year-olds who have been murdered in my ward. >> tucker: you could flipho through the phone book and findd a smarter group of people, but those are the people who run the city of minneapolis. "i would appreciate some more information on carjackings," the politician says to the cops he wants to fire. so, that was two months ago. today, after a lot of careful thought, the minneapolis city council appears to have zeroed in on a potential solution to the crime wave wrecking the city. here is the plan, they are going to spend half a million dollars to hire dozens of -- not healthe experts, additional law enforcement personnel.la so, that is good news for the people being killed in minneapolis.rc just this year, 74 of them g hae been killed, nearly 500 have been shot and wounded. it is bad news for people like

bennett mcnulty, a philosophy professor at the university of minnesota. today, mcnulty wrote this, "it is unconscionable to give $500,000 from the city's contingency fund when there is housing insecurity in the city. a crisis of housing insecurity." if you've ever wondered where the dumbest people in america live, you just saw it, on the minneapolis city council and in your neighborhood philosophy department. the people actually affected by defunding the police, goes without saying, are not the ones defunded the police. it's the woke professors with tenure who are destroying your kids at your expense. the people in charge of the country clearly have an enemy. it's not criminals, it's the middle class. and the result is obvious. 500 people shot. amazing. minneapolis, of course, is not the only city to face the consequences after defunding the police. lots of places tried it.

in seattle, homelessness and drug abuse have gotten worse than they were before, and they were already bad. the city council there voted to defund a specialized program that helped move homeless people into shelters -- no, they have a right to live on the sidewalk, they love it.d local government said removing the homeless and their encampments was "inhumane."." jason rantz is one of the few sane people who has remained in the city of seattle, he's been watching since the beginning and joins us tonight with an update. jason, good to see you. how are things in your state? >> it's pretty bad. seattle, the city council, this mayor's office, they are just irredeemably progressive, and as a result, they have created a homelessness crisis that no one thought to get as bad as it is. i defy you to go anywhere in seattle and find a park that has not been completely overtaken by tents, by homeless people shooting up, by homeless people who have set up these kind of bazaars where you can show up

and purchase illegally stolen goods, and it is completely overtaking the city. in large part, it is because of the defunding the police movement. getting rid of the navigation havebecause they happen to police as part of this program to connect people who are livint on the streets with resources, but part of what they were doins was sweeping these encampments, as well. but apparently it is inhumane to sweep the encampments, but not inhumane to keep people living in these parks, surrounded by t used, dirty needles, and their own human waste. something tells me that's the actual thing that is inhumane. >> tucker: that is the most inhumane thing i've seen in a long time. i can't control myself. i noticed there are lots of tents, i assume your local churches gave those to the junkies so they could feel virtuous, is that where they came from? >> we'll try to figure that out. a lot of them happen to be stolen. the trash is -- if you try to pick it up, they will tell you you are stealing their goods. the city doesn't want to sweep

any of this up, but we are forcing them to. hopefully it will continue. >> tucker: we didn't build theep parks for heroin addicts, we built them for normal people and their children. tells you so much. jason rantz, thanks for the update. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: elon musk is the ceo of tesla and recently said he had cold-like symptoms, so he took four coronavirus test, all administered by the same machine, a guy fluent in science, by the way. he posted the results on twitter. two of elon musk's test came back positive, the other two came back negative. musk tweeted this, "something extremely bogus is going on. if it's happening to me, it's happening to others." huh. so how do we trust theer coronavirus numbers we are getting if the tests are inaccurate? dr. marc siegel is a fox news medical contributor, he joins us tonight to answer this question. doctor, great to see you. >> tucker, the answer is we can't trust the numbers.

now, fear is what drives this. fear causes, tucker, these pseudo-religions, masks will make you invulnerable, even if it is hanging off your face.he lockdowns, right? elon musk, visionary, said at the very beginning that lockdowns were fascist and undemocratic. tucker, i must confess, i am a big fan of elon musk, he's around the same age as you, created something out of thinn air that people said they couldn't create, much as you have done here. he created the tesla, which competes with the porsche and beats it off the line. amazing visionary, elon musk. so, lockdowns, from a medical point of view, of course, don't work, because only rich people can afford to go to their country house while poor people are stuck together not knowing if the person next to them, by the way, maybe actually has covid-19, and there is a mentalp and economic cost we talked about here. now, elon musk is facing another pseudo-religion, of testing.

once again, he is being a visionary. he is saying tonight, four tests, two positive, two negative. a i. thought, before i learned frm elon musk tonight, that antigen test is pretty good. when you have mild symptoms, we were told that antigen test was quite accurate. well, two positive and two negative, i want to submit to the viewer tonight that it is another pseudo-religion. as a physician, a test may be helpful, just like a mask may be helpful, lockdowns not helpful at all, but a test may be helpful, but tucker, a test is not a cure. >> tucker: i think that's totally fair. i also think you are right that elon musk is a legitimate visionary.y. i, by contrast, am a talk show host. big difference, but i appreciate it. >> about the same age, tucker. >> tucker: [laughs] well, i've got that in common.am well, up next, new york governor andrew cuomo has announced that bars and restaurants in his state must close by 10:00 p.m.

what does that mean for the people who run those businesses, and in many cases are barely holding on? tyler hollinger is an owner of a restaurant in new york city ando we talked to him sometime ago, he opened that restaurant a little over two months ago. despite the lockdowns, he did it anyway. we talked to him when he opened. >> i believe in the power of community. i believe in the power of new yorkers. let's be honest, cuomo, de blasio, they didn't stop the virus. new yorkers stopped the virus here, and new yorkers will survive.e. >> tucker: tyler hollinger is back, straight ahead. ♪ >> tucker: tyler hollinger is back, straight ahead. ♪ [ whispering ]

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♪ >> tucker: since march, more than a thousand restaurants have closed in new york city. not because people stopped eating, but because the city and state have crushed them with coronavirus lockdowns, but that number apparently isn't high enough for some politicians, they decided to close allna bars and restaurants after 10:00 p.m. unless it's for a dance party celebrating joe biden. otherwise, it is very dangerous, according to the party of science.ty

tyler hollinger is the owner of the festival restaurant in new york city. he opened a couple months ago, even though the city has done everything it can to wreck his livelihood. at the time i spoke to him a couple months ago, he said new yorkers will survive. are they? tyler hollinger joins us tonight. tyler, thanks so much for coming on. how are you surviving? >> tucker, it is so good to be on the show again. >> tucker: thank you. >> first of all, i want to say thank you to you, and thank you to your community. after i came on the show the first time, the overwhelming support, love, compassion of your community buying gift cards, coming to the restaurant, was absolutely mind-blowing --ni >> tucker: good. >> it is a testament to the beauty of humankind that we look after one another, and i want to thank you. >> tucker: well, thank you for saying that.in we have the best viewers. >> you have the most amazing viewers, and this kindness is overwhelming, and the gratitude is amazing.

de blasio and cuomo will not stop us. let's be clear. they will not stop new yorkers. they will not stop new york businesses, because they are temporary individuals, and the businesses and the people thatat live in new york are permanent. >> tucker: that is such a nice point. i wonder, in the short term, though, they are still here. can you make a living if you have to close at 10, 10 being the hour at which coronavirus becomes dangerous, apparently. >> [laughs] apparently those out after 10 get coronavirus. >> tucker: yeah. >> what cuomo doesn't realize is those individuals who want to dine late are just going to como an hour early, on top of the people that are already there, so what you created is a bad situation with more crowding, as opposed to allowing people to spread out over time, enjoy their meal. now people are going to be more on top of each other, which is insane. e this government just allowed thousand-person rallies to

happen for joe biden all over the city, yet you can't have thanksgiving for ten people? something is very, very wrong. >> tucker: you make such a good point about forcing people to eat in larger numbers when you constrain when they can eat. did you tell the city that, or the state that? did they consult you before shutting down your business at 10:00 p.m.? >> the city has no interest in hearing what small businesses think.10 every day, we are visited by another government official trying to shut us down, tryingng to impose fines, legislations, restrictions, when we are just out there keeping people safe, and this is the hypocrisy we are living in right now, but i can tell you one thing. the power of love, the power ofg kindness, and respect for one another, trumps anything that any of these politicians want to say. because it's about neighborhood

and it is about community, and protecting those who you love. >> tucker: that's an inspiringty thing you are saying and a great thing to hear. tyler hollinger, we are rooting for you. >> i refuse to be negative about this, tucker. >> tucker: amen. >> and we have a drink for you, a perrier, waiting when you come. >> tucker: [laughs] so embarrassing, that's actually what i drink. thanks, i appreciate it. i noticed the party of big business crushing independent business. hmm, see what i mean? hard to believe a military coup could happen in this country, but in an interview this week, jim jeffrey, the outgoing u.s. envoy to syria and an advisor to joe biden, admitted he was part of just that. jeffrey said this, "we were always playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had there in syria." jeffrey said the actual number of american troops stationed northeast syria is "a lot more than the 200 troops the president said we were leaving there in 2019."

this sounds a lot like treason. you're not allowed to make your own foreign policy, only people elected by the public can do that. the chain of command is a sacred structure that keeps us democracy. media weren't bothered by that, though. they cheered it on.st liz sly, a "washington post" chief covering syria wrote "the joke is on trump, who told so many lies, for being so easily lied to by his officials." so, she hates trump, okay. but why is she backing a subversion of our democracy? because that is what it is. back in august, susan rice, you remember her, went on televisio. to say she was losing her mind over the president's planned withdrawal from syria. p >> i woke up this morning to hear that news, and as i do, it seems like six days a week, i just put my head in my hands.

this is [bleep] crazy. >> tucker: yeah, it's crazy to pull american troops out of syria. what are they doing there in the first place, susan rice? anybody? anybody? do we have any clue why american troops need to be in syria? at great expense, waiting to be killed? no, no one explains. but they must be. at the democratic nationalo convention, a video montage for a stream of bureaucrats and officials complaining about pulling out of syria. >> our military policy, to maintain our presence in syria, we came to the aid of the kurds against isis and help stop the advance. president trump told us to simply abandon the kurds. it's shameful. >> joe biden will be strong against dictators. >> i've heard him on the phone with some pretty tough characters. you talk about joe biden's empathy and decently, but joe biden is tough as nails, and everyone knows it.tt >> he will do the right thing, no matter the political cost. >> i've served two republican

presidents and one democrat resident, trump administration make massive decisions without any thoughts, any preparation, that have massive life and death consequences. >> tucker: these people. the kurds, we must protect the kurds fear for the real headline is: republicans come, they go. democrats come, they go. aaron mate is a journalist with "the gray zone," we are happy to have them on tonight. aaron, thanks so much for coming on.. i don't think you need to be a partisan republican or a trump supporter to be bothered by the fact that people whose job it is to carry out policy were lying about it. why should we care? >> exactly, there's two issues. there's the principle of civilian leadership, and on the policy of staying in syria. i'm not a supporter of president trump, i never have been, but i respect the fact he was elected. nobody elected james jeffrey or any other unelected bureaucrats

and if we believe in the -- respect the chain of command. then you have the policy itself. why lie to the president to keep u.s. troops occupying syria? it has nothing to do with helping out the kurds. the u.s. has abandoned the kurds for a long time, going back many administrations. >> tucker: good point. >> as james jeffrey said earlier this year, he said my job is tog create a quagmire for the russians. why would he want to keep u.s. troops, put them in harm's way, steal a country's oil, cut off syria from its own people. just to create a quagmire for another nuclear arms power. we tried that in afghanistan, and that led to the rise ofor al qaeda, and similarly, in syria, the proxy war we have been involved in over a decade also created the rise of al qaeda. james jeffrey put us there, brett mcgurk said that in idlib, al qaeda now has its largest safe haven since 9/11, a result of the proxy war we have

been engaged in, going back to the obama administration come under the incoming president, joe biden. president trump has an g opportunity, he's leaving in a couple months. he was elected on a antiwar platform in 2016, he criticized these wars. he could end them now, pull troops out, tell james jeffrey and john brannon and joe biden that it's not our job to be occupying other countries, it's our job to bring our troops home and give syria back to syria. >> tucker: what is so interesting is the orthodoxy on this subject is we are not allowed to disagree, everyone is on the same side as susan rice and hillary clinton and john bolton. you are very well informed in this. you break actual stories. what are the chances you could get a job at "the washington post" -- and you are very left wing, i should say. in case our viewers haven't picked that up. what are the chances you can get a job at "the washington post" with the views you have on syria? >> well, look, it's not just

syria, it's any major national security issue. the media has been in lockstep with the national security state. whether trump is in favor of the policy or not. you look at a issue you covered, i covered it well, scandal of the opcw, inspectors go in and conduct an investigation in april 2018, their investigation was covered up because it undermined the claim that syria had committed a chemical weapons attack. no one in the media except for us, basically, has covered it. on top of the cover-up scandal, there is a media scandal, as well. >> tucker: yeah, they lied about a poison gas attack. the state department lied about it, flat out. and then, we killed people in response to it. and we are not allowed to talk about that? wd it's one of the most frustrating things i've ever seen. aaron mate, thank you for your bravery. i hope "the washington post" does hire you. we've got some good news tonight, and an apology. one of the people who voted in last week's election isn't deadg

james blalock is still dead, we told you about him, but it was his wife who voted. she voted as mrs. james blalock, it's old-fashioned, and we missed it. a whole bunch of dead people did vote. we show you their names and proved it, but james blalock was not among them.eol d it was mrs. james blalock. so, apologies for that, and of course, will always get ithe. correct when we are wrong, and we were. w well, cnn promises to have the governors brother and don lemon bring you facts first. well, here is a fact about cnn. apparently, the company is for sale, and the supposed cnn fact finders aren't telling you much about it, but we will. the great charlie gasparino with us afterre the break. ♪ but we will. the great charlie gasparino with us after the break. ♪

>> tucker: one thing we can be certain of is the news media is going to change quite a bit over the last year. it's already changed an awfulte lot, and not for the better. a we are learning tonight that

at&t is eyeing a possible sale of cnn, which it owns, to pay its massive debt. fox business senior correspondent charlie gasparino broke this story, and a lot of other stories, an actual reporter, and we're happy to have them on tonight. charlie, thanks so much for coming on. what is the story? >> any time, my friend. t well, we should point out cnn brass, some of the suits, recently, said they are not for sale, great plans for them, this came after some of our reporting on jeff bezos may be being interested in it. here's what i can tell you, and why this is such a fascinating story and how it's not going to go away over the next four years, and for all of the columr inches people write about us, the balance sheet over there is a real problem, and that is what is fueling this, tucker. i mean, look at it this way. cnn does not have donald trump to kick around anymore. the ratings will take a hit.

they are owned by a company that is financially unstable of all, $150 billion in debt, at&t has. they need to cut costs. there is an activist investor out there. they are on the content part of at&t. the other part is the wireless part, distribution uses satellite. the content part is not analogous, it sticks out like a sore thumb. so you don't have synergies. and you can probably get now a premium for it. maybe not two years from now, hence what you have his intense banker speculation that this is for sale. you have activist investors pushing it, i believe one of the activist investors, and i can tell you even after the town hall meeting they had earlier in the week where they said they have such great planse for cnn going forward, the people i know there, i have a lot of respect for the people there. i am not a cnn hater. there are some really good journalist there. es they believe they are for sale. if you can find a buyer. one of the problems at&t has here is there is not a lot of natural buyers.

jeff bezos' name came up because he has $200 billion and can spend the $10 billion for it, but if you think about it, tech is out because of antitrust. comcast can't buy it, again, antitrust, and the billions out there that have $3 billion can't afford it. >> tucker: so, bezos would be allowed, he owns a platform, he could buy at.e >> he would buy it, i believe -- on his own. that's why his name is out there. i can tell you, tucker, i got this from prominent bankers, both private equity and on the street that do this for a living. this rumor is a real. i mean, what i used to do when i worked at "the wall street journal," is heard on the street, not quite the story yet, but this is going to keep coming, and we are going to hear a lot more about this because at&t is a screwed up company, let me tell you something, cnn, like a lot of

media, it may have hit its peak. hating trump. >> sean: i will call don lemon after the show for an update. we are glad you stayed with us. see you monday. ♪ >> sean: welcome to "hannity," this news-breaking friday night. we begin with great news from the trump administration's public-private partnership, what is known as operation warp speed, crafted and created to assist with the rapid production and distribution of a safe vaccine. during remarks at the white house, the president announced that 20 million vaccine doses will be available december to high-risk populations. let's take a look. >> as a result of operation warp speed, pfizer announced on