>> dana: trace gallagher, thanks for helping me get througthrough the spelling and situation. >> trace: great to be with you, dana. you are the best and "outnumbered" starts right now. ♪ >> harris: trump supporter is harassed and attacked at the million maga march in washington, d.c., conservatives are blasting the media for downplaying or outright ignoring violence. 20 arrests in fights between rally-goers and counter protesters who could be seen dowsing trump supporter's with water and taking and burning pro-trump flags. other charges including trump supporter's eating dinner after the march. here it is.

at least one person has been arrested in all of this after fireworks were set off at that d.c. restaurant, hitting trump supporter's. it was not immediately clear if anyone was hurt. and in another video you can see a counter-protester knocking a trump supporter to the ground. others also seen kicking him here, or there, white house senior advisor of ivanka trump tweeted this. "the silence is shameful. violence is never the answer. and instigators must be condemned and prosecuted." the trump campaign says the attacks over the weekend are the latest in a long pattern of violence against those on the right. >> this was an issue all the way through the campaign. violence in the streets in american cities and it was always the leftist mobs causing it. let's remember who is causing the violence here.

these are not trump supporter is threatening to burn down american cities. >> harris: you are watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, anger on "kennedy," kennedy. emily compagno, leslie marshall. and joining us today, former house oversight committee chairman and fox news contributor at jason chaffetz. hey, everyone, happy monday, good to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> harris: jason, when you look at some of the social media that reacted to what was going on at the maga millions march, what are you thinking? what goes through your mind and a part of the story in this being long term and it didn't just pop up? >> yeah, this has been going on in years when i was in congress this was going on and yet the media are barely reports it, they deny it and the silence from the left, from the democrats, they are just silent

on these types of things. you don't see them united in this, you don't see joe biden and kamala harris out there saying let's quit it, let's, you know, this is unacceptable. the chief of police there in washington, d.c., mayor bowser, things have just gotten worse. these are the people that want to actually control washington, d.c., and turn it into a state and you can't peacefully walk down the street or have a meal, they've got to block off the streets at night, it's sickening, it's disgusting, the mainstream media doesn't cover it and the democrats don't call it out. >> harris: you know, leslie, it really is interesting because when a lot of this was going on earlier in the summer you did here critics on the right saying to, you know, liberal leaders, those democratic leaders in cities, why don't you go out there and talk to these people

and let them know that they are heard, whatever you've got to do? would it be fair criticism again to go back to those democratic leaders and say, okay, these people need to hear specifically from you guys, what you think about that? >> leslie: i think president-elect joe biden has specifically said that violence is never acceptable and that's how i and most democrats feel. look, this is a problem for both sides. there is blood on both sides and the president of the united states, donald trump, drove through the crowd on his way to golf, he needs to say something, who among these crowd goers, alex jones, and to jason's point, so many individuals on both sides, pro-trump end of those who oppose president trump are not even residents of watching team at washington, d.c., they are coming from outside of the

district. i do agree with the president's daughter on this that people need to be arrested and prosecuted if they hurt somebody but there was blood on both sides. one independent journalist alleges she was sliced on her ear by member of the proud boys. this, quite frankly, is not just anti-american behavior, it's not human behavior and we are human beings at the end of the day regardless of our political ideology. >> harris: you know, i want to double down with you a little bit leslie because when i hear you say things like "there was blood on both sides," there are good people actually on both sides, i remember democrats really going after the preside president. different situation although crowds are people with people on both sides. how do you really want this to be handled? it doesn't look like it's immediately going to go away. those words you just use have been used before and came with a crack of criticism.

is that enough? >> leslie: absolutely not. harris, there's a number of things here. one thing is personal responsibility versus personal behavior, which are adult on both sides need to do but one adult in the white house needs to concede, needs to tell the people that there is no fraud in these elections and some of these protesters on the left need to adjust to stop. because they won the election, stand back and do what the vice president and president-elect has spoken about which is unite. you can't unite with that type of behavior. >> harris: all right, kennedy? >> kennedy: when you think it's okay to hurt someone because they have different beliefs, that is when society starts to fall apart. people like leslie have to stop rationalizing the makeup of these crowds. these are angry leftists who come from organizations like resist fascism who are using fascism as a dangerous tool to

shut down speech on the other side. you may not think much of trump supporters, you may think that they have backwards views, that does not give you a right to assault them and sucker punch an older man and kick him when he's down. that video is so hard for me to watch because it's so easy for people in crowds to latch onto this behavior and mimic each other and it is awful and it is condemnable and you should condemn violence of every stripe. leslie is absolutely right about that but it least be honest about what you are condemning. and when i hear people say "oh, yeah, it's an infiltration of pro-trump supporters," that is absolute garbage. you have a woman who was proud member of antifa running for mayor of portland to almost won. at least be honest about the makeup of these crowds and know this is not okay, it is never okay, it is not okay here and it

shouldn't be okay in the future. and i thought, by the way, that when joe biden won this was going to stop. >> harris: yeah, it is an interesting conundrum and emily we often talk law with you. i want to skip past that right now because you have lived in an area where you've seen some of this just recently, you know? you've seen what can happen when your businesses get torn down and make no mistake about it, the owners of that restaurant had to be freaked, right? you have explosives, i realize they are firecrackers but they can catch anything on fire, right? anything can happen and you are responsible, you are standing there. this just spreads, as kennedy says, and maybe with unintended consequences. >> emily: that's absolutely right, harris, and i don't think you have to be there specifically to see how horrific this all is paid in my opinion, the media as well contributes to

this and really improves it when they do cover it because they use language like calling these people "antifascists." of course, great lengths to stop fascism or racism to be acceptable. as he put up on the screen earlier, for example when of ivanka trump publicly announces this one-sided violence, apparently the acceptable response was to say that it's donald trump that sews division and hate and therefore 72 million supporters are also racist and therefore it's okay, again, to go to these great lengths to "stop them." this narrative furthers the notion that it's nights in shining armor when we are seeing it's just despicable violence and to me the most atrocious part not only as an attorney but as a human is the fact that there are zero legal consequences or social consequences for these people and that of course they are emboldened, anyone would without those consequences. these videos, the dynamics make me sick. a small group being attacked by

a small group and a million people around them with phones, videotaping it and spreading it all over the internet and the like and as kennedy pointed out, it is sickening to watch. >> harris: well, and jason, i do want to add onto that because we are seeing it today, some of the stuff it's edited and then posted. so now, people might not even trust, you know, what their own eyes and ears are showing them because they don't control the content. it really makes the situation worse when you see that happening, you know, just layered on top. as somebody who has been an elected leader, the only one among us who has, when you look at this, an i know we only havee president at a time. if these are people who voted for joe biting perpetrating this criminal behavior, does he have a responsibility, again, to come out and say yes, we won, his

interpretation of that, whatever it is, president-elect joe biting can say it however he wants, we won, we are waiting for all the final votes to be counted, however he wants to do it but isn't it incumbent upon him, now i'm asking it differently, isn't it, for him to address these people who might be his followers and say, this isn't what i want to see from you? >> jason: yeah, and it's got to be stronger than that. he can talk about wanting to be united but why don't you actually call them out specifically and call it for what it is? these people that are preaching the most tolerance are the least tolerant of all of them, grabbing american flags and trump flags and burning them, kicking that man on the ground. it's absolutely disgusting, you can't just put out one sentence or add a sentence here and there and expected to be shut down, go after those people. but what was kamala harris doing over the summer? raising money to bail those same people out of jail and get them

back out onto the street so i'm sorry if a lot of us don't believe that you actually want to condemn this but actions speak louder than words and they have to actually do something other than bailing them out on the jail to get them back on the street as fast as they can. >> harris: i will say this, leslie, about the vice president-elect, kamala harris. what jason is talking about, a lot of people have had a very negative reaction to but of course we didn't see her get asked about that because she, nor biden sat down and had those really tough questions before election day when americans wanted probably to hear from everybody especially on issues like that. >> leslie: look, this is one of the reasons of the nation is so divided, they feel there is racial injustice and you see the anger sadly resulting sometimes in violence or in looting and i just want to say to kennedy's earlier point, i never rationalized violence, never,

many liberals like myself abhor violence of any kind, i don't care if you are a democrat or republican, it is wrong to hurt another human being especially in the greatest nation that has our first amendment and allows both sides to completely disagree but that disagreement has to be peaceful. >> harris: well, jason, i am with you and i will be alone in saying it probably among many people that i know who do this job as journalists but it's time for a kamala to start answering questions about what was up on that web site. it's time, we need to hear it. okay, we will move on. for the second week in a row, encouraging news on a coronavirus vaccine. wow. as president-elect joe biden's team says it is working on a vaccine disrepute and plan of its own, dr. marc siegel will join us here on "outnumbered," next. >> now we have two vaccines that are really quite effective so i think this is a really strong

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>> harris: drug maker moderna announced today it's the covid have a 19 vaccine has been 95 90 effective in clinical trials. alealex azar president democratc president trump's operation warp speed. >> this is a vaccine president trump partnered with moderna on january 13th and now over 90% effective vaccine in one of the largest clinical trials ever.

so now we have pfizer and moderna and we've been making goes on four other vaccines at commercial scale production so we believe we have enough for 20 million americans to get vaccinated in december. >> harris: it was just one week ago, you remember when pfizer announced early trials of its coronavirus vaccine have been more than 90% effective. meanwhile, a biden official confirms that the president elect's advisory board and transition team are developing their own mass distribution plan for a potential vaccine. doctor, great to see you. americans no good news when they hear it so i want to go beyond just the accolades about that and get to the nitty-gritty. there are a couple of things that really stand out about where we are. the difference with moderna as i understand it is it can be frozen and that's amazing

because pfizer can you make has to be on dry ice and i can become obligated you're moving it. let's first have you had that in that i have a follow-up on moderna. >> harris, that is a hugely important point because of the moderna vaccine can be stored in a regular freezer, it can be in your refrigerator for 30 days once you receive it. i get it in my office, i give the first dose out and then three weeks later when i go to get the second dose it's sitting there, it's waiting to be used. i don't have to re-order another distribution. that's an enormous advantage and that's why health and human services has been working with pharmacies and they've announced a plan this week where pharmacy chains are going to be able to get the moderna vaccine if it's approved. the other bit of good news here is its extremely effective and here's how that works quickly on the nuts and bolts of that. you give it to 15,000 people and 15,000 to get the placebo.

well, you look to see people that got sick and did the vaccine protect them? 95 people got sick but 90 of them were in the placebo group including 11 that got severely ill. in the vaccine group, only five got sick and they got very mild cases. that's what you mean when you say 94% effective. very. >> harris: i want to talk to you about the numbers, some of the criticism already is the group wasn't big enough that they looked at. can you speak and wit was that 15,000 a hard number? >> 15,000 is a hard number, the critics are wrong, that is a statistically significant result. but harris, you are making a really good point. as we go forward, thousands turns twothousands, right? the more people that get this vaccine, the better we are going to feel. we are going to get safety data out in the next couple weeks but

this is statistically significant. >> harris: kennedy? >> kennedy: it's kennedy, i have a quick question about protection. so for people who already have the virus and tested positive for antibodies, it is unknown how long they are protected and there are some scientists who say the protection may only last a couple months. how will the vaccine better protect people and will the protection window in fact be longer than natural antibody protection? >> that is a phenomenal question, kennedy. he here is a likely answer. we are seeing response from the vaccine over having the illness. if the illness gives you three have been six months of protection, this will give you a year. we are looking at our year as a likely window here, maybe longer but it's looking like it may be

a vaccine that will last at least six months to a year. better immune protection then actually having the illness which is extraordinary. >> harris: emily? >> emily: it's only, good morning. my question is about the five remaining pharmaceutical companies that the u.s. government has invested in. from moderna's announcement coming on the heels of pfizer, do you expect that these additional five will be coming forward with successful trial results and their announcements on their own? >> emily, i'm glad you brought them up because what's interesting about the astrazeneca vaccine and johnson & johnson vaccine, those are using a virus platform that's already been used in ebola trials so we have more experience with those vaccines, giving them to humans. they are looking very, very good as well. and then know th two vaccines tt

are a lot like vaccines already on the market so we may see an abundance of vaccines coming out, this is very exciting news, i'm very confident in this but yes, there may be more. >> harris: jason? >> jason: doctor, jason chaffetz here. donald trump has a distribution plan but joe biden seems to want to come up with a different one. who gets those 20 million firsthand what happens if there is this transition between administrations midstream? >> jason, that's another good question. listen, the distribution plan currently in place, i looked very closely at it and i really like the idea that the united states military is involved. a four-star general in charge of supply for the entire military is the chief operating officer of operation warp speed, health and human services has been meeting with the states, pfizer has their own distribution plan, moderna is under the offices of

the nih and they have a plan to get part and parcel with the army disturbing it. i personally love the idea of the military being involved but we are going to target health care workers first, elderly, high-risk groups. when the biden administration takes over, if they have a different plan it's all about herd immunity, we want to give it to as many people as possible. i want 300 million people to get a vaccine, in the end as long as everybody gets vaccinated we are in much better shape than we are now but i like the current administration's plan for the beginning here. >> leslie: hi, doctor, this is leslie marshall. moderna is the only vaccine that uses mrna. is it true that moderna is using it and why the skepticism? >> leslie, moderna and pfizer both use mrna, it is the genetic messenger that signals cells to

make the protein the virus has in the protein signals year in immune system. that's new and that's why you are hearing the skepticism, it's never been used in humans before but here is the good news, it's out of your system in a day or two. so if you have flu-like symptoms or headaches, it doesn't last. it lasts a day were two and we are going to have a big job on our hands with vaccine compliance. but i would much rather feel a little bit about hangover for a day then get covid-19, i don't know about you. but i'm thinking we can overcome that. being given to thousands and thousands of people here, we are seeing safety. >> harris: we all survived college. some of us had a hangover maybe only once. [laughter] so yeah. so doctor, really quickly, from what we've been reading, we know that pfizer and others have different types of injections. some will give you two shots so you'll need like a booster, i

guess, a couple weeks or months later and then you'll have one shot. what do we know about that and should we advocate for one over the other depending on one's health? >> harris, listen, the johnson & johnson vaccine which is just waiting in the wings to be the next one out, that was a one-shot vaccine. these that we are talking about, pfizer and moderna are two shot vaccines. i don't have any problem with two shot vaccines. i think the concern is about vaccine compliance, right? if we end up in the end with one that we only had to take once, we are going to get more people to take it. but many of the vaccines we are using are two shots were three shots. hepatitis b, hepatitis a, shingles, a lot of these are more than one shot. people are used to that and i hope we can convince them here. >> harris: doctor, always a pleasure to have you on the program. good to see you, my friend, thank you. senator bernie sanders has claimed most americans support a far left agenda.

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>> i sometimes find it amusing when our opponents talk about the "far left agenda." these are common sense ideas that the majority of the american people support and we are going to fight to make sure they are implemented. i talked to this administration, i want to do my best in whatever capacity as senator or in the administration. >> kennedy: bernie sanders sounding very confident that president-elect joe biden will implement a progressive agenda and that such policies are not as far left as critics say. sanders also confirming he's been in touch with biden's

transition team about a possible cabinet post after he expressed interest in the labor secretary position. jason, let's talk about some of these things because obviously bernie sanders is trying to soften the edges and he says, you know, people are all for the idea of a $15 mandatory minimum wage, people are all for free college and health care access to all. that's not the issue they have. when pollsters push and a little bit and say yes but how would you like to pay an extra $1500 per month per household, that's what people have the issue with. the trillions and trillions of dollars in spending that follows these programs, what do you think bernie's new line? >> jason: yeah, it's all going to be free, everything will just be free. bernie sanders thinks the democrats aren't liberal enough, that's why he's an independent. he wasn't even a registered democrat when he was running for president. he is a radical, left-wing socialist-minded person. the idea that joe biden would

put him in there as labor secretary of the united states of america is unfathomable. i can't believe they are even having those types of discussions. but bernie's ideas are just crazy, that's why they call him crazy bernie. nobody believes you can do what he is advocating top to bottom from the green new deal to health care to everything else he wants to do, do it all for free and that's going to protect us, that just does not add up. >> kennedy: he's trying to give us a spoonful of sugar with the medicine, leslie. so now bernie sanders is backing away from the defund the police mantra after so many democrats had an issue, it was no more effective slogan that "defund the police," what you think about bernie's new tactic? >> jason: first of all, he certainly has not said it's free, he continues to get called out on that. that's one area that you are

accurate about, kennedy. jason, kennedy and jason are both accurate about more, let me tell you why. let's look at, 63% believe the government has the responsibility to provide health insurance. they like when you call it single-payer, not when you call it medicare for all. 70% like when we have more energy efficient society and when we have those green jobs. but we don't call it the green new deal, they also don't like the cost but let's look at votes, not polls. in florida, $15 an hour minimum wage, in a state that is red and voted for donald trump. bernie sanders isn't wrong when he says the country is on board with these policies, especially when you just look at florida as an example of that. and that's going to cause people, increasing minimum wage to $15 an hour, it's not as radical, not just on the left, left and right, people like a

lot of what bernie has proposed which has become mainstream in not only the democratic party but in voters minds. >> kennedy: they like the idea of it, harris, but they really don't want to have to pay for it. and there is more that is problematic about bernie sanders' agenda than some ballot initiatives where a $15 minimum wage has passed in certain states and they have seen the ill effects of that but the entire economy would be sick if we had to pay for $20 trillion in new spending. >> harris: so that would make every economy six, most of them on the planet. virginia democratic congresswoman and others have said that the word "socialist" is problematic for this party. they are getting ready to fund raise in georgia, the republicans with many sitting senators and representatives going down there to try to help take those seats down there so they can hang onto the senate.

and how are they doing it? with some of bernie sanders very ideas that have spread among progressives in that party. look, leslie, i don't agree. i think the facts have shown that perso first of all, he is e perfect messenger even by far. which is why your party chose as its nominee joe biden and i don't think you have to check me too hard on that. bernie was winning at one point in the primary. but the messaging is going to be problematic because don't you want to hold onto the house? and what you like to have a seat or two to have a little bit of a fighting chance in the senate? this is not the guy and those are not the policies that get you there. you are still in a rough-and-tumble, good luck. >> leslie: i'm not running. >> kennedy: very hard to unring the bell of socialism. fantastic. emily, we will get you in first up next. some democratic state and party

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>> harris: some top democrats across america are reinstating strict coronavirus restrictions as cases are researching. new jersey governor phil murphy has announced an executive order limiting outdoor gatherings to ten people beginning tomorrow. governors in michigan and washington announcing similar restrictions in their own stat states. this as california governor gavin newsom is facing a lot of backlash. officials in that state are warning of more restrictions after the governor and at least ten other people, at least, attended a birthday party at a fancy restaurant last week. the governor later said this. "while the first partner and i

follow the restaurants health protocols and took safety precautions, i should have modeled better behavior and not joined to the dinner. you think? chicago democratic mayor lori lightfoot joined a crowd in the streets to celebrate joe biden being declared president-elect just days before announcing a new 30 day advisory. >> i will tell you, in that big crowd a week ago everybody was wearing masks. we have compliance in our cities, it's actually up very, very high. >> harris: and i come out to the couch, emily, we promised to go to you first. go ahead. >> emily: i think part of what makes this so difficult to sit with especially in california and governor newsom is that since covid began in march, we

have 100,000 small and medium businesses. we know that one in five business owners expect their doors to be shuttered permanently by the end of this year even without a second shut down. so for the governor to not only break his own rule and also to dine in what i am sure is a fantastic three michelin star restaurant at $360 a plate before alcohol and rub that in everyone's faces is really difficult for people to stomach and i say that as a californian. in terms of lori lightfoot, remember in those original protests with members of the national guard got covid. we spoke earlier about how actions are what speak so much louder than words here. it's not about what they say, it doesn't matter. it's about how they model and once again they are both modeling the fact that when push comes to shove they are hypocrites just like everyone else. >> harris: you know, i'm no doctor, jason chaffetz but i do think one thing that spreads faster than covid is hypocrisy.

i tweeted over the weekend is "the hypocrisy among some who call about themselves to lead less than example is never going away." that was the first reporting about california governor newsom. >> jason: i think hypocrisy is the right word, you can't overuse it in this case. it's what i call disaster liberalism, they use a crisis as an excuse to get other agenda items forward but they absolutely ignore what they advocate themselves. my favorite is governor newsom there in california who is advocating that you are supposed to put your mascot in in between bites of food. that is literally what they are advocating, meanwhile he can go to napa valley and have a dinner with a lobbyist. this really expensive place, you can go to the mayor of chicago, just go right on down the line and you're going to find that hypocrisy is all fine when they can do riots and looting and have these big marches and

everything together but boy, heaven forbid you walk out of your house and try to take your daughter too, you know, put her on the swing and there's going to be some federal agent there to arrest you. >> harris: you know, leslie, while we are picking our parts that really pop like favorites, how about the repeat hypocrisy of senator lori lightfoot, the mayor of chicago, remember the haircut she had to get ends now this latest thing. >> leslie: look, i've set up a four and i'll say it again, i don't care if you are a democrat or republican, the true leader leads by example. believe me, he knows the deal, he knows the california health department guidelines, his guidelines which are families are to gather together, you're not supposed to be with people from other families, they were outside, it is hypocritical.

it's also hypocritical to have people embracing and not wearing masks, the bottom line is covid will not be in our rearview mirror until our leaders practice what they preach and the people follow what the leaders are preaching as well. i don't care if you are in a red state or a blue state, we are the united states and our numbers are surging. >> harris: wow. well, preach in fact because they do a lot of that and sometimes you have to preach in front of the mirror, apparently. kennedy, we will come to you first next. after, you are doing it. bernie sanders, there's that word "socialist." voters don't like that on either side. distancing himself and members on the left from the "defund the police" movement. sanders says he doesn't know any elected officials running on that platform. the pushback and a high-profile congresswoman he apparently forgot about next.

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>> nobody i know who was running for office spoke about defunding

the police made what we talked about was making police officers accountable. >> kennedy: well, bernie sanders distancing himself and his progressive allies from the idea of defunding police departments, saying nobody knows who is running for office talks about that. immediate backlash with many on twitter reminding him of comments by congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez that quote "defunding the police means defunding police." meanwhile, the notorious dmi police chief or slamming minneapolis for wanting to defend the police after the murf george floyd. watch. >> i think minneapolis had a distinction of not just defunding, they wanted to dismantle their police department. actually, they did it. when you think about the number of officers who are out right

now, who are leading that organization and the main reason is they don't feel support. >> kennedy: so leslie, let me ask you about that because the minneapolis city council did in fact a vote to take an enormous amount of money away from the police department and because of that many officers felt it was a handwritten invitation to leave the forest. how do you keep your city safe and not return it to the murder-apolis days of the 1990s. >> leslie: if you look at the numbers compared to that it is a low crime spree. in addition to the reaction of the murder of george floyd, in addition to actions that came over the wording, the wording is important and it was wrong, "defund the police," when i heard that i said, we are going to lose the election, frankly. there are some other things in

play, minneapolis and every other city across the country as a spike of crime, an increase in crime and also a historic relation between unemployment and crime. the fbi just put out their statistics and the midwest looks pretty good compared to other cities and the rest of the cities in the united states. the reality that the messaging was bad but i do think that minneapolis and other cities can rebound from this and certainly, democrats lost seats in the house. >> kennedy: jason, the problem is, when you have to go back and change the message it means part of your message has failed. sign after sign and city after city, defund the police, now bernie sanders is trying to pretend like that didn't exist, what are departments like minneapolis and detroit supposed to do now? >> jason: it wasn't just a messaging error, that was the

actual policy. they fought to get rid of $150 and the police budget in los angeles, bill de blasio signed to get rid of a billion dollars, just getting rid of it from the nypd so it wasn't just the messaging. for bernie sanders to say he doesn't know anybody who wanted to defund the police, that's hogwash, it's a lie and it's misleading, it was wrong and he should take it back. >> kennedy: i want to get, emily, click. >> emily: in response to leslie, a rebound will only occur with the resources invested in it. statistics and data are the trends and the trends we are seeing is what is horrifying which includes new york shootings of 100%, twice as much and homicides up 37% and that's with the budget being slashed $1 billion so unless something stops this these trends will continue. >> kennedy: okay.

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