tuesday, november 17th. as always, the story continues. so we'll be back here with you tomorrow night at 7:00 and we look forward to it. have a great night, everybody. tucker carlson is up next. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." so did you make a moment from your busy life to turn on the hearings on capitol hill today with the silicon valley ceos? don't be embarrassed if you didn't. you probably didn't. no matter how worried you are about big tech and obviously you should be gravely concerned, you may have decided to skip today's spectacle and fold the laundry or call your in-law's instead and we don't judge you for that previous hearings on big tech have not produced a lot. elderly senators who can't manage to send their own text messages wagging their fingers in the face of sneering billionaire oligarchs in san francisco all of whom seem to understand that no matter what happens inside the hearing room

they will get to continue doing whatever they want to do because they have got all the money. we have seen that a number of times it. seems pointless. in fact, it seems insulting to the rest of us. in the end today's hearing may prove just as pointless. we will find out. for one brief moment today you got the feeling that maybe actual progress was being made. maybe the good guys might not be entirely lame. that moment came when senator josh hawley asked mark zuckerberg, the ceo of facebook, about an internal tool that his company has developed called sentra. hawley knew about sentra because a whistleblower told him how it works. facebook employees used sentra to spy on users even when those users are not using facebook. sentra gives facebook access to troves of personal data including the pages users visit and the accounts they have linked to facebook. you didn't know about this because all of it happens in secret. it's probably not even legal. so today at the hearings josh hawley confronted mark zuckerberg about this and here's how it went.

>> sentra is a tool that facebook uses to track its users not just on facebook but across the entire internet. sentra tacks different profiles. their message recipients, the linked accounts the pages they visit around the web. mr. zuckerberg how many pages have been visited and shut down through sentra. >> senator, i do not know because i'm not actually familiar with the name of that tool. i'm sure that we have tools that help us with our platform and community integrity work. but i am not familiar with that name. >> do you have a tool that does exactly what i described and that you can see here over my shoulder or are you saying that that doesn't exist? >> senator, i'm saying that i'm not familiar with it. >> tucker: i'm not familiar with it, senator. but, hold on a second, mark zuckerberg. you run the company. you started it. and sentra sounds is unlike a pretty big deal. are you saying that sentra doesn't exist?

well, no. it turns out that's not what they are saying. just hours ago a facebook spokesperson admitted to fox news that sentra is indeed real. and according to that spokesperson sebaali that is used to quote centralized and aid in investigations into complex subjects is unlike coordinated inauthentic behavior. end quote. coordinated inauthentic behavior, hard to pronounce. you may not have heard of it. otherwise known as astroturfinging the fake grassroots political movements sometimes by foreign governments. something the left claims to be very concerned about. in other words, sentra is yet another long term consequence of the russia hoax. so adam schiff gets hysterical about vladimir putin and then facebook gets to spy on you without your knowledge and then sell the data they gather. perfect. but somehow mark zuckerberg who runs the company said he had no idea it was going on. and sentra wasn't the only secret internal data gathering tool that zuckerberg claimed to be egg nornted of.

senator hawley also asked him about another internal facebook program called tasks. according to senator hawley's whistleblowers, tasks allows facebook's censorship teams to quote communicate with counterparts at twitter and google and enter those company's suggestions for censorship onto the task platform so that facebook can then follow up with them and effectively coordinate their censorship efforts. got that? they are all in it together. the tech companies amount to a censorship cartel. mark zuckerberg did not deny this. instead he conceded it would be, quote: probably pretty normal for people to talk to their peers in the industry. and so, yes, it is all real. silicon valley acts as one. the tech oligarchs joined forces to censor their political opponent. you may be one of them. you aren't being paranoid to worry about this you were absolutely right. is the hair on your arm standing up yet? chris coons isn't worried. he was thrilled to hear it. he wants more.

coons is a senator from delaware. former joe biden staffer actually. the describes chris coons as moderate not because of what he says but because of you who he says it. chris coons is boring, therefore he must be reasonable. that's the thinking. but in fact chris coons is not reasonable. is he a power hungry lunatic who doesn't believe in the first amendment. of course chris coons went to yale law school. notice how no one ever went to yale law school acknowledges the bill of rights? what's that constitutional law class is unlike at yale law school? we should find out. watch chris coons push mark zuckerberg in the hearings today for even more censorship according to chris coons there is not enough. >> do you, mr. dorsey, have policies against deep fakes or manipulated media against covid-19 misinformation, against things that violate civic integrity but you don't have a stand alone climate change misinformation policy. why not? helping t to disseminate climate denialism in my view further facilitates and accelerates one

of the greatest existential threats to our world. >> tucker: that was to jack dorsey who runs twitter. chris coons' point is simple people who disagree with chris coons are quote an existential threat to our world. they must be silenced. so who are these people that chris coons doesn't believe should be allowed to speak in public? well, plenty of them would be credentialed scientists who might have legitimate questions about chris coons' global warming theories? chris coons is a lawyer who spent the last 20 years in government. everything he noses about climate he learned from an issue of the atlantic magazine he picked up at the airport news stand. chris coons is a nonexpert if there ever was one. under the standard he is demanding and demanded today in congress the social media monopolies would censor anyone who questions his shallow silly views on one of the most complex areas of known science. that is not a moderate position. it is authoritarianism. and there is a huge cost to the rest of us. this is censorship. censorship doesn't simply kill expression, though it does.

censorship kills thinking and innovation and wisdom. censorshipleads to self-censorship. people quickly learn what they're allowed to express and what they are allowed to believe. so they stop asking questions even of themselves. their minds become narrower. they stop creating. art denies. science which depends on free inquiry becomes impossible. does that sound familiar to you? it's where we are right now. that's not a problem for people is unlike chris coons. his main concern is how to control an inquisitive population. coons would be delighted for a country that cannot think for itself a nation of passive consumers that takes its orders from tech oligarchs shut up and obey or we will make you be quiet. that's the message they are sending, collectively. a lot of us expected something different to happen. the election is over. the billionaire party got what it wanted. so why can't they take the boot off our neck? no chance. they are just getting started.

and in the past two weeks corporate america has rushed to consolidate its control over information and dissent in this country. we could give you countless examples of that here are a few. the email delivery service mail chimp announced it is refusing to provide service email to the northern virginia tea party. why? the company sites potential misinformation. turns 00 the tea party had attempted to notify its members about a recount rally by email. that's not allowed anymore. mail chimp banned them along with other concern organizations. they are not allowed to use email. paypal and air bnb taking. the message they are send something really simple. if you want to live a normal life here, send an email, transfer money, rent an apartment, you had better be on the right side. how is that different from what happens in china? call us and let's us know if you can spot the difference. we'll can't. abigail schrier who we talked about yesterday on the show got

an unexpected ph.d. in political repression. amazon cut off sales huge spike in transgender in teenage girls real thing wanted to know what was happening. tried to explain it not aloud. target banned her book completely for time a lawyer at the aclu which of course used to defend civil liberties cheered that decision and said the book should be burned. meanwhile in a story very few saw, a major video game company, erased a voice actor named helen lewis from one of its titles retroactively. erased her from the picture as the soviets once did what was her crime wrote a forum post that many on the internet thought was transphobic. for that ubisoft thought she should never work again anywhere. even her voice was too offensive for the rest of us to hear. the mob then went to work trying to destroy gina an actress to play as character amanda lorian.

when she criticized mask mandates and quote preferred pronounce they decided she needed to be fired. where is this coming from? almost nobody is unlikes it. almost no american supports it. corporations are behind it. all of it. and the point is not to help anyone much less you. let's be clear about that. the point is to establish control. they know that they can dictate what you have the right to say about trans rights or mask mandates. they can dictate what you can say about anything. that's unprecedented power. no one in this country has ever had that power. our constitution used to prevent it. but they have it now. and that power will come in handy when they are running the government which they may soon be. take a look at the people joe biden wants to install in the white house in january. so far biden has hired a farmer pharmaceutical and insurance industry lobbyist called steve to be his chief counselor. a venture capital executive with close ties to big tech ron

kayleigh mcenany to be deputy chief of staff. jed o'malley dillon co-founded consulting company that represented big pharma. biden also, we learned today, is bringing on louisiana lawmaker cedric richmond. richmond has been a reliable ally of the fossil fuel industry which by the way is quite political these days and not conservative. time to update your perceptions on that. richmond has received more money from the oil and gas industry than virtually anyone else in congress. so corporations are getting more control. and once they run everything, they will control what you say. where does that leave the politicians and the career bureaucrats? well it leaves them free to pay the role of petty tyrant something they have always wanted fulfilling their personal desires to impose their will on the rest of us. in the state of michigan the poor people who lived there learned governor whitmer relishes telling her constituents whether they can hold thanksgiving dinner and if they do, she said, on sunday, they are essentially killing people. >> if you are considering

spending thanksgiving with people outside of your household, i urge you to reconsider. and i hate to say it. but we know that some people will gather anyway. and odds are that some of these gatherings will spread covid and contribute to the loss of loved ones. >> tucker: i hate to say this there is the falsest phrase ever i hate to say it. she doesn't hate to say it. she has been saying it all year. in april, governor whitmer banned the sale of paint and furniture. what scientist told her to do that? none. she did it because she could. now she is banning thanksgiving. what next? and that's not a rhetorical question by the way. this is more than a slippery slope we are watching it happen in realtime. at a press conference yesterday the governor of california gavin newsom emphasized the most important thing here you need to stay isolated. he doesn't. gavin newsom went to a private birthday party with a dozen people french laundry in napa. turns out he wasn't breaking the

rules when he did that know wasn't. settle down. he was giving you an example of what not to do. gavin newsom was risking his life for you. he is a covid martyr. why doesn't anyone appreciate gavin newsom? but, again, that's immaterial. we want to restate here the important thing, the essence of science, really is that you spend the holidays alone. >> i will remind you that three pronged approach prevaccine was around prevention, testing and isolation. isolation, this is profoundly important, prevention is one thing. testing what's the purpose of testing besides obviously identifying people? that are positive and building a framework and protocol to protect their health but also protect others through isolation and quarantine. >> tucker: there is a lot coming at us now. take three steps back, pause, ask yourself what are we really watching? we are watching something pretty dark honestly. this isn't the politics we have come to understand in this country.

this isn't the usual debate about tax rates or tariff policy. we miss those debates. this is a struggle for the fundamentals. will this remain a free country? can you disagree with corporate america and still live here? will would he be allowed to fly on an airplane, stay in a hotel, have a credit card, use email will tiny brain napolitanos is unlike chris coons determine what science is and what you can say about it or not? that's what's on the stable right now. we understand we just had an election. we understand it's in dispute. we understand there is a lot of news going on at this moment. but nothing matters more than this. it will decide the future. senator josh hawley of missouri is right in the middle of it as you just saw. he joining us tonight. senator, thanks a lot for coming on. it's sort of an amazing moment i thought at that hearing today. so, explain to us, if you would, is it legal for tech companies to coordinate to censor the political views of americans? >> i don't know that it is, tucker. in fact, i think that very old

antitrust law the first one we ever had called the sherman act, century old, prevents coordination of these robber barron companies that's what they are tucker. these are the most powerful corporations in history and here they are coordinating about how they are going to stop us from speaking, coordinating about who they are going to ban. coordinating about what phrases will be allowed to trend and whatnot. and we basically caught them red-handed. i mean mark zuckerberg admitted to me under oath that yeah, actually, facebook censorship teams do talk to google and twitter. and he hastened to add oh, we makes our own decisions he admitted that yeah, actually, they are in coordination and the whistleblower revealed to me that in fact they coordinate very, very closely. i think this warrants antitrust scrutiny and i tell you what, tucker it warrants future action by congress. congress is going to have to get off its back side and do something here or these corporations are going to run america. >> tucker: antitrust seems is unlike the one thing they fear. they are not afraid of 230.

a lot of the solutions we thought would work to make us a free country again don't seem to intimidate them. antitrust does seem to intimidate them. do you think there is any chance of forward motion on that? >> well, i think that the justice department's antitrust suit against google that they brought just a few weeks ago is absolutely vital for this reason, tucker. i think congress is going to need to act to update our antitrust laws. the truth is those antitrust laws haven't been used as they were meant to be used in decades now. these companies are the most powerful companies we have seen in american history. they are the most powerful companies in the world. and it's time that we took them on because our constitution is quite clear. we, the people, are supposed to run this government and this nation. not the big corporations. and unless we do something, they are going to. >> tucker: i never thought i would hear a conservative say what you just said. you are conservative and you are also right and so it's time, i think, for all of us to update our assumptions about what it is to be conservative.

senator hawley, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> tucker: so, the tech companies are colluding, the social media companies in particular. but there is an option, john matthew is the founder of parler created as alternative to twitter. the site has exploded. john matthew joins us tonight. congratulations in massive surge in popularity of your company. why is parler, which is still much smaller than twitter, why are people going there? is it that you offer that they don't? >> thank you for having me on, tucker. what we are seeing a massive explosion in growth because people trust that parler is going to do the right thing. so, as opposed to these other companies where moderation seems to be the norm. on parler we have a community jury. this is where the people decide what is allowed and what's not allowed. you are judged by your peers just is unlike our government allows for people. you are innocent before proven guilty unlike these other

platforms that are colluding to, i guess, find things to find you guilty for. so, you know, really, we just want to sit back and say social media was supposed to be about the people. it was supposed to be about people having a free voice. being able to be, you know, from restrictions. that's what we are here to offer is a community town square for people to have discussions. >> tucker: i'm really struck by the media response to what you are doing. i would say every mentally ill extremist in the world has a twitter account i have seen a lot of the them. you never hear a word about that on cnn. you offer an alternative to that and suddenly you are the extremist. why is corporate media afraid of what you are doing. >> i always ask them, you know, what do you think of the first amendment? do you believe that we should have somebody in, you know, new york, let's say in the middle of times square telling you what can you and cannot say? that's what these companies are doing. i don't know why they are so afraid. maybe it's because they don't is unlike that people are getting power again. you know, you mention that parler was a little bit smaller

than twitter but you know we do have people that have comparable if not larger followings on parler than they do on twitter and seeing far more engagement. mutual algorithm here you get what you sign up for. that's it. you get what you expect. that's why we are seeing such great engagement because it's not being curated is unlike publishers would do is unlike they are on these other platforms. >> tucker: it's getting huge, that's undeniable. i wonder if you're going to keep your posture going forward. as your company gets big and much more valuable. it's already happening. people will be attacking you for home for extremism and something crazy on your site. there will be a whole lot more of that you will come under enormous ken sur those voices. >> >> everybody has opinions and some of them might not be the norm, right? it's not against the law to have those opinions. it's not against the laugh to

express yourself, you know. if you is unlike one political candidate or another or you believe or don't believe in climate change or whatever it might be, you know, you shouldn't be taken off line because of it. >> tucker: exactly. thank you, you just restated the traditional american understanding of free speech which the left defended for decades, apparently they didn't mean it, but it's left to you to continue that noble defense. i appreciate it john matzzie of parlor. so you are hearing politicians all over the country telling you have not to celebrate thanksgiving. they're giving all kinds of restrictions that have no basis whatsoever in science and the constitution. some brave public officials have decided they are not going along with this. we want to highlight their stories and we are going to after the break. ♪

>> tucker: so politicians have decided they have total power over you. they can literally decide who comes to thanksgiving dinner at your house and where they can stand. that's lunatic. it's never happened in american history before, no matter what cnn claims. it hasn't. the question is what happens if you don't obey? well, in new york, one county sheriff has an answer to that, nothing. nothing will happen. because that sheriff has decided not to enforce andrew cuomo's

lunatic ban on private gatherings. earlier today he explained why. >> one of the worse things we are seeing is people not being able to engage with other people. big difference setting a time limit at bars and setting the number of people at bars and restaurants. and social distancing and getting together with your own family. constitutionally, there is some problems with an executive order. there is no sanctions. i can't go arrest somebody. they don't get fined. give them the benefit of the doubt, he really, i believe, his intent is to try to slow things but i think it does more damage. tuck tug relevant, exactly. people need each other. physical contact is essential families being together, thanksgiving is beautiful. that sheriff is richard giardino. god bless him for saying the obvious. thankfully he is not the only

public official standing up to this lunancy. in oregon a chairwoman clack kiss county board of commissioners in january made that clear on facebook. quote my family will celebrate thanksgiving dinner with as many family and friends as i can find. this is an elected official and she joins us now tooty smith on the show. thank you so much for coming on. it's funny that that statement would qualify as bravery but it certainly does. congratulations. why did you write that? exactly what i felt. she posted it on friday and i posted it saturday morning thinking about it this is a travesty happening in our state. how dare governor brown think she is going to come out, send the police into people's homes and arrest them and fine them for having a thanksgiving meal with their family? while at the same time she allows rioters and anarchists to

destroy downtown city of portland. that's hypocrisy. we have been in a lock down. go ahead, tucker. >> tucker: people is unlike governor brown will be the first ones to say politicians keep their hands off my body and here she is encouraging the police to come into your home on one of the most sacred days of the year and determine who is eating there does she see the irony there or no do you think? >> oh, no, i don't think so at all. i think she is in to total control and domination over our population. she has issued this edict statewide to all 36 counties, regardless of the count. regardless of the infection rate. regardless of the testing. not even governor newsom from california has done that he has allowed each county an autonomy to make their own decisions. but our governor hasn't because she obviously does not trust the elected officials in each of our counties in oregon. we have been in a lockdown for 8 months now, tucker. people understand what to do to

be healthy. we have been browbeat over the head with wearing masks in public, which i do, by the way. with social distancing, to stay home if you are sick. be clean. i think our people have the intelligence, the education and the independence to make their own decision. we are adults. we do not need to be treated as second rate slaves in our own homes. >> tucker: good for you. our viewers, if they don't know oregon may be confused because the oregon we see is portland. oregon is a lot is unlike maine. it's a great state with reasonable people dominated by angry children in a city called portland. but they are great people in oregon. how has the public response been to your statement? >> well, it has gone totally viral. the public response, i'm getting a lot of good comments. i'm getting people saying yea. i also have the trolls and the minions who are trying to

discredit me and take me down. you know, i'm not going to be deterred by this because i know i'm on the right side on this. people want their freedom. they want their independence to make their own decisions. and we can do that in oregon. we are responsible people who can set our own destiny. and our governor needs to allow us to do that. >> tucker: exactly. when they try to say you can't be with your family on thanksgiving, that's a line we can't let them cross. toot at this great speaking with you tonight. >> the isolation is killing us. she is not addressing the isolation fallout mental health comes in the form of child abuse. suicide rate is increasing and domestic violence. and that really needs to be addressed. she has no solutions to that her main edict is to shut down and keep people separate. we, as human beings, have that right to be together. >> tucker: exactly. and look around. how many people do you know who are fragile and neurotic and unhappy and unwell

psychologically and result of this nonsense. thank you for fighting back. good to see you. >> thank you, tucker. bye-bye. >> tucker: so the president announced is he pulling thousands of troops out of afghanistan and iraq. and that made some people is unlike mitt romney very unhappy. in fact, if there is one thing democrats and republicans can agree on is that we need another 20 more years in afghanistan. but to what end? what's the purpose exactly? why is 20 years premature to pull out? we will find out next. ♪ if you have medicare, listen up.

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capitol hill are upset that we're finally close to ending the war in afghanistan after more than 19 years. >> a rapid withdrawal from forces in afghanistan now would hurt our forces and delight the people who wish us harm. >> tucker: a rapid withdrawal after more than 19 years. that's rapid according to people in washington who measure time in glacial terms. so apparently we should stay in afghanistan forever. mitt romney strongly agrees with that he complained that troop reduction may not be quote a wise reduction for national security interests. he didn't explain exactly what that meant no one know what is it means. everyone in washington agrees with it. democrats and republicans are united on one point. permanent military presence in countries that hate us and give us no obvious benefit is nevertheless vital to our national security. over on cnn, they had an on air

panic attack at the prospect of american troops finally leaving iraq. >> who does this? who drops something is unlike this in the lap of an incoming president? >> no one other than donald trump. i think what he is trying to do is go through his bucket list quite honestly. >> tucker: who does this as the 32-year-old news anchor? who does this. gill thought a lot about it senior fellow at defense priorities. one of the defense nonprofits thank you for coming on. >> thanks to for having me on. why did 19 years getting to too speedy for people in washington. >> people largely responsible for these mistakes and these disasters call them what they're overseas, having learned a thing. these are two of the longest wars in american history. have you got guys literally, you know, who are toddlers or newborns on 9/11 who could in some cases be walking their father's patrol routes in

afghanistan. it would be kind of darkly funny if it weren't for the fact that we have got americans killing and dying over there trying to accomplish mission impossible. >> tucker: that's exactly right. it's interesting that whatever you think of the current president president trump first president in 40 years not to initiate a major conflict. no one is happy about that. everyone in washington seems glum about that. why? >> you got people addicted to an idea of american strength that i think comes close to that old definition of insanity bang your head against the wall. yeah, we have accomplished -- we haven't accomplished victory by the aims we have set out in these countries, certainly iraq was a disaster for the united states, for the region, for the whole world. afghanistan you can look at it two ways. either we did what we needed to do and we talked the taliban out of power and taught them a lesson and should have come home pretty quickly within a year or. so or we have failed to build a country. and we should have come home a long time ago and figured that out, you know, close to two decades ago as well.

>> tucker: so i think a lot of current leadership at the pentagon for a bunch of reasons support these kinds of conflicts but the guys who serve there and took a real physical risk in serving there. you must know a bunch of them. what else their view of. this can you look at the surveys and last one i checked was between 58 and 65% of u.s. veterans that were surveyed i think pugh last year found this higher than the american civilian population thought that the wars in iraq and afghanistan were a mistake on their own merits on the way they were sold. so, i think most veterans, however much they have invested in it, i think the majority of u.s. veterans have gotten rid of some cost fallacy and realized it's time to come home. >> tucker: so the people who actually served think that was a mistake and should pull back. why does no one say that? why are proponents of endless wars which is a very left wing idea, liberal idea certainly, why do they get the moral high

ground on this and anyone who disagrees is for a weaker america? >> there with a couple answers. you saw it with the run up of the iraq war. a lot easier especially when it's not your sons and daughters in a volunteer military or recruited military if we're being honest it's f. it's not your sons and daughters easy to shame somebody else invoke strength. not a lot of cost and people don't have skin in the game. we have broader apathy in this country towards foreign policy. >> tucker: that is so true. gil, thanks for coming on tonight. >> good talking to you. >> tucker: a people who claim to be journalists ran into joe biden yesterday. it doesn't happen very often. senator john kennedy watched it. we will assess the tape and find out how it went. that's next. ♪ ♪ - when i noticed my sister moving differently,

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♪ >> tucker: you have been hearing a lot recently about president joe biden you may be wondering okay what will this president do once he gets to the white house? to answer that question, of course you would watch his press conference. that's the point of a press conference reporters ask the politician questions that you would is unlike answered. but if you watched joe biden's

press conference yesterday, you would have been pretty disappointed. on the other hand, if you want to know how truly inspiring joe biden is and how appalling his political opponents are, you are in luck. >> i understand now i'm going to take some questions. meghan, fire away. >> what do you sees a the biggest threat to your transition right now given president trump's unpress tented attempt to obstruct and delay a smooth transfer of power? >> you just spoke of some of the dangers of the president's continued stonewalling of this transition. but it doesn't appear that the president is going to come around any time soon and admit defeat. so what are you going to do? >> what is your message to republicans who are backing up the president's refusal to concede? >> i want to get your thoughts on the president's tweet over the weekend. do you want him to concede? >> tucker: president biden how bad is president trump? it went on like this. senator john kennedy watched. he is of course senator from louisiana he is a republican. he joins us tonight.

thanks for coming on. you notice flex sasa live have a on joe biden's suit. was that saliva from the press corps, do you think. >> did i watch the questioning for mr. biden and i have watched the whole campaign. look, you would have to be a special kind of stupid not to see the dispirit treatment between mr. biden and mr. trump. i think since he was selected by the manage manage managerial len the democratic party i think the toughest question that mr. biden has been asked is does he support children and prosperity and probably the second toughest question is does he is unlike ponies? and this is very dangerous for our democracy. >> tucker: yeah. >> you know, here's a news flash. politicians lie. not always but sometimes. they hide the truth. why? >> tucker: noticed, yeah. >> because it helps them hold on to power. and the role of a journalist is

to hold politicians accountable and to ferret out and safeguard the truth. and in doing so journalists can't pick sides otherwise they are not seeking out the truth. they have got to be equal opportunity a-holes if you will. and too many of our journalists have started picking sides. and it will ultimately undermine their profession and democracy. without truth, there is no trust. without trust there is no democracy. >> tucker: amen. so you have been in politics for a while. you are a united states senator. have you ever held a press conference at which the overwhelming majority of the questions consisted of you who horrible is your opponent? >> no, i have never seen anything is unlike this not at the federal level but state level 35 years ago. it used to be that journalists really were equal opportunity

probably shouldn't used what i said before. i will say jerks. they were tough. they were tough. it didn't matter what your party affiliation was, their job was to ferret out the truth. but, you know, there is an old adage that says keep the company of those who seek the truth, run from those who already know it. i think many members of the press think they already know the truth. >> tucker: there is something about watching reporters suck up to people in power that's really, really chilling. far worse than attacking people with power. that's fine. sucking up is dangerous. i agree with you absolutely and completely. senator kennedy, thanks a lot for coming on tonight. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: so the election is over. but the crackdown is just beginning. now the left is going after attorney who represents anyone who is affiliated with the trump campaign. so, if they don't is unlike your politics, you are not entitled to legal counsel. you want to live in that country? we have got details after the

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>> last week a group called the lincoln project, which was run mostly by consultants who ran campaigns against donald trump in the 2016 primary, launched a half-million dollar advertising and the point of it wasn't to promote again did it, the goal was to terrorize the commercial clients of any law firm that dares to represent the president 's campaign. if most of the office numbers and e-mail numbers up a big fir based in washington. it was representing representin the republican party of pennsylvania. they promptly promised not to get involved in any more litigation this. another has withdrawn from the campaign because of the pressur there. dumont to live in a country where if you have the wrong political beliefs, you don't ge

competent legal representation. that is the question for us. it's the first amendment attorney in the united states. thank you for coming on. what does this mean for the res of us? i've never seen anything like this before and i'm worried about what it portends for the future. >> it is carried to the ordinar person when you think about it. some of these law firms like george conway is affiliated wit this lincoln project and he's been one of the people retreating these condemnations think you look at his firm website and see who his firm represents. they mentioned different flamer flavor of criminal no fewer tha ten times on there. tax evasion, price-fixing, securities fraud, other types, so they are happy to represent actual alleged criminals, but you cannot have that counsel of

your choice. this is scary because let's fac it, our system of justice does not work unless there are good lawyers. anybody has clerked for a judge can tell you that great while you have the most powerful person in the country, his lawyers are dropping him and they're making legitimate claim excepting ballots after the dat of the election. the legitimacy of treating some different than other spread these are legitimate arguments, but every lawyer associated wit the trump campaign, even in a capacity like i have been gets death threats, gets incredible abuse from partners at major la firms. i fed on my facebook page from accusing me of heinous crimes. they represent actual criminals. what this means if it is the president's lawyers can be bullied into dropping him which is what happened with a cup of of these law firms very taken

happen to you, it can help into you or your family if you're accused of a crime, if you're representing an unpopular cause or if somebody makes a full psych is asian against you, somebody attacks your company, some of the attacks or livelihood. if you are unpopular, there is mob waiting to intimidate lawyers that want to take your case appeared that means we don't have two sides. american bar association has guidelines on this they guidelines say that lawyers are entitled to represent any kind of client and it does not mean that they are taking on the cause of their client represents . it is important for the courts of justice for there to be two sides. when i see lawyers like george conway and partners at other major law firms. it is lawyers leading the charge . yes they are consultants who ar also raising the money for it, but really lawyers are leading this charge and they should be ashamed. they are leaving nasty voicemai sprayed some have 24 hour security now. there have death threats and

their offices have been shutdown . it's disgusting. >> at the lawyers who represented old jay simpson we're called the dream team. thank you for putting that in perspective. great to see you. thanks for watching, we will se you tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. eastern. here is sean. >> welcome to hannity. we begin with this fox news alert. buckle up, tonight all eyes are on georgia, pennsylvania, michigan, nevada. breaking moments ago, the state of georgia hand recount magically, how many days after election day uncovered yet another 2700 uncounted ballots, the majority of which shockingl cast for president trump wrote last night, same story, another 2600 uncounted ballots were discovered and again, most of those ballots in favor of the president. what is happening in georgia in our country? why