we know that those restrictions are coming. >> trace: sandra, gunnar, that could be a children's book. >> sandra: gunnar just won over america. we will see you tomorrow. "outnumbered" starts now. >> kennedy: this is all fox news alert. president trump and the white house push ahead with operation warp speed. astrazeneca reports of coronavirus vaccine is 90% effective in some trials. pfizer and madura not have reported 95% effectiveness in their vaccine, but unlike those, the one from astrazeneca does not require ultra cold storage, making it easier to distribute, especially in developing countries. it is also cheaper. after pfizer applied for emergency use approval, the chief scientific advisor to

operation warp speed laid out a potential timetable for distribution. watch. >> we are ready to start shipping vaccines 24 hours from approval. ships them to the site so that each state, located, number of vaccines appropriate to their populations. i would say within 48 hours of approval. >> kennedy: incredible news. the doctor also says once it gets beyond initial frontline health care workers, we could reach herd immunity by spring. watch this. >> with the level of efficacy we have, 70% or so of the population, true herd immunity protection. that is likely to happen

sometime in the month of may or something like that. >> kennedy: this is "outnumbered." i'm kennedy. we've got town hall editor and fox news contributor, katie pavlich. attorney and fox news contributor emily compagno. we've got fox news headline 24/7 reporter, carley shimkus. he is the cohost of "fox & friends," and he's got his own radio show. it is host brian kilmeade. great to see everyone. we have an incredibly special guest, new york city physician and fox news contributor, dr. nicole saphier. this is incredible news. within just a couple of weeks, we have three viable vaccines that appear to have reached that threshold of 90% effectiveness and above, so what does this astrazeneca news mean for people who are going to seek the vaccine? >> well, the vaccines that have

come out previously, using the technology, and astrazeneca uses of virus. the proteins. now we have two different technologies that are showing some sort of efficacy against the virus. great news. astrazeneca, you know, they did two different dosing's. that showed about a 90% efficacy. then in the full dose, actually showed a 62% efficacy, which had people scratching their heads on this, so it will be interesting to see when we get the final data, more cases coming back in, what their true efficacy really is. >> kennedy: all right, so, how are they going to produce the vaccine? how do they got the number of doses needed to affect so that herd immunity that we have been hearing about? how exactly does that happen? >> so, the drug companies, they are manufacturing in parallel right now.

they have already had a bunch of contracts with distribution centers all over the world. so they have to get it to the distribution site, and then there they will be shipped out. they will determine where those needs are. one of the great things about the astrazeneca vaccine is that it doesn't require that deep-freeze storage, so this vaccine could be in really any refrigerator in any doctor's office. and low income countries that don't have the deep-freeze capability. it is also much lower and price. >> kennedy: so, dr. saphier -- >> katie: quick question here. if i am an american interested in getting this vaccine, how do i choose? what do we know about how long this vaccine actually last? do people have to get this annually? will the last for a couple of

years? what do we know about how effective it is long-term? >> i can always count on you for asking great questions which are on the mind of pretty much every american. currently, we have to vaccines that have already -- the pfizer and the moderna. those are really the choices. astrazeneca, we still don't have their interim analysis. we need more information on astrazeneca if you are looking to the future, we are going to have multiple vaccines. determining which ones we are going to take, the bottom line is you may not actually have a choice. it will be what is available to you in your area. in terms of, you know, it's really going to be hard for us to recommend a vaccine that has much lower efficacy then say that pfizer or moderna one. it is hard to say what the long-term results will be for these are vaccine trials, and in terms of that herd immunity, talking about 70% of the

population with some form of immunity, a lot of encouraging studies coming out right now, showing that immunity is going to last probably greater than six months. some are saying greater than eight to nine months. maybe even a year with some of those. unfortunately, we still don't have all of the information. we certainly don't know about the long-term immunity from the vaccines. typically, vaccines give a longer and more robust immunity than the natural infection does itself. at this point, i'm going to say it is probably going to be a covid vaccine every year, like the flu shot. however, it is possible that you won't need that, and honestly, we won't have that information until we have longer-term data. a >> brian: dr. saphier, brain killing me. my questions have routinely let you down, so i am going to try. for me, i'm just wondering if i

decide to get a shot and i am going to do this, am i free to do everything i want? then i can go to bars, alone, probably, but then i can go to bars. am i free, and should i not worry about it? >> you know, brian, you and i talked about this earlier on your wonderful radio show. here's the thing with the vaccine. moderna and pfizer haven't announced that it provides a sterilized immunity as of yet, meaning the vaccine is preventing an infection in you. you are not getting sacks from the virus, but it doesn't actually mean that you can't give the virus to someone else. you still may be harboring the virus, and now you're going out, living your life because you have the vaccine. maybe you are hanging out with people who didn't get the vaccine. you are passing the virus to them, and they wind up in the hospital. so, unfortunately, we need a large amount of the population

to get vaccinated because it's not just about the individual. >> kennedy: all right, meantime, the tsa is reporting a surgeon travel ahead of the thanksgiving holiday. more than 3 million passengers between friday and sunday. that is the most sense prelockdown days in mid-march, and it comes after the cdc issued new guidance, urging americans not to travel for thanksgiving in light of the coronavirus mike nationwide. so, emily, go ahead. >> emily: thank you, kennedy. good morning, doctor. given that he tsa screenings that have spiked recently, in addition to the cdc recommendations, what do you see it as though the facing travelers or people that have to travel forward moving forward? >> here's the thing. a lot of people, they are not actually getting in on the airplanes. studies are showing that people are doing a good job at keeping safe on the airplane.

it is really about getting out of the airplane, all of the personal things in between. and then it is what you do with yourself. are you doing in person gatherings? you know, we are seeing an uptick here. immunity transitions going around. if you have to travel, just continue to be smart about it. you want to be wearing a mask, washing your hands, and you don't want to be congregating with a lot of other people. in terms of traveling for the holidays, seeing your families, and i understand. i'm from arizona. it is a sad time. it is a very difficult time, but i can tell you that it is temporary. we are going to be in a much better situation, so if you don't have to travel, i really strongly encourage people to stay home and do what they cannot all until we get this fire is under control. >> carley: dr. saphier, it's sph.

because we are getting such exciting news on the vaccine i think quicker than anybody expected, do you think it will be ready in time for christmas to look a little bit different than thanksgiving? you know, the cdc issued guidelines saying that we shouldn't be traveling, but if i vaccine gets to the most vulnerable populations by mid-december, food we have a sort of carefree christmas? >> well, unfortunately not, carley. you need two different infectioninjections. spaced two to three weeks apart, and then it's about a month to get that immunity after the first vaccine shot, so even if you got it on december 1st, you likely wouldn't be immune until early january. it sounds like pfizer is going to be the first one with an available vaccine. they are anticipating may be mid-december. for those frontline health workers and some of the vulnerable populations like nursing home residents, staff.

this is an incredible news, but unfortunately, the holiday season this year is going to be a bit difficult. and i only hope that christmas, the december holidays are not going to be worse than thanksgiving because people decided to congregate for thanksgiving and then we find ourselves worse at the end of december. >> kennedy: all right, dr. saphier, thank you so much. great questions from everyone, and it looks like we do have much to look forward to. we will be patient. we can do that. not so much people in californ california. protesters there, they are defying the curfew, and that's not the only thing. outrage growing over new covid restrictions. one governor even telling people to call the cops on their neighbors if they violate the rules. that's next. ♪ >> i'm just drawing the line at making a physical arrest over

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>> kennedy: this is a fox news alert. the biden transition team announcing new cabinet picks. dhs secretary, ambassador linda thomas greenfield for the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. john kerry for the climate position. intelligence position, and jack sullivan, national security advisor. will become the first woman to lead the intelligence agency as she has been nominated to serve as the director of national

intelligence. former secretary of state, john kerry will be back in the provided administrativ administ. lots of experience as secretary of state and i will be in charge of climate policy. once the united states to rejoin the paris climate agreement. something president trump check the united states out of. these are new bags by the biden transition team that have been announced this morning. some controversy and some praise from all different corners of washington, d.c. kennedy, your additional thoughts on this list of cabinet picks for president-elect joe biden? >> kennedy: very dubious, i am excited to learn more about avril hands. i think the apparatus is obviously very -- we may need to take it down. i don't have high fixed for that, and if we are going to

reenter the paris climate accord, i want to know what he plans on doing to make china and india accountable in the same way that the united states and the rest of the first world is going to. i have not heard much in terms of specifics from joe biden about that. he has said that he will, but what does that mean, and how is he going to do it? i think that's critical if we are going to in fact reenter that. brian kelly made, it is interesting to see these announcements and these specific positions being announced first. ambassador to the u.n., secretary of state. what does that say to you about where his priorities are going to be? >> brian: it makes me feel right away that we never got a debate on foreign policy. we never had this come on, and even though joe biden, with his experience, doesn't have a good track record.

he's been wrong about every national security policy. bob gates, former secretary of defense. and the guy that has been by his side. so now he is going to be secretary of state. some of those ideas, looks like it is going to bolster things like iran over israel. not saying that that will be the new emphasis as opposed to the nations that recognize israel. when it comes to afghanistan, i'm pretty sure he's on the same page as president trump, which concerns me. i think he might use that as an entree to do so. i didn't know that we had a climate czar, but i know that senator kerry had to get paid back for his support of joe biden, south it make sense he's going to be there. i just can't wait for the american people to give their tax dollars to other nations in the hopes that they might comply, like we will probably be complaining. russia and china haven't been on

board to begin with, so john kerry is there to give his condescending views to everybody that wants to disagree with them, so that will be refreshing. >> kennedy: emily, the biden campaign has made no question that they want to reverse a number of trump administration policies, including stopping building the wall. now being nominated to serve as the secretary of the department of homeland security. what do you think about discipline in terms of immigration policy? >> emily: well, i think it's taking a step back, if you will. you mentioned in the intro, definitely getting the band back together again, as this is reuniting the former senior officials and that obama administration. essentially taking steps back in terms of that development and certainly in the approach to immigration and the policy.

o wariness of foreign intervention. and i have to point out as well that john kerry does not have an international respect out of a certain level for negotiations, and so certainly, he is sort of this our facing position. again, obviously, it is not a cabinet position, and the ambassador to the u.n. position will be restored to cabinet level, but i think it will be interesting to see his place on the international negotiation stage and relates what that looks like because even though this is a reunion of sorts, it is into the obama administration anymore, and we are now, four years later, so i will be interested to see how this plays out in the landscape that the trump administration has gotten us to. >> kennedy: so, carley, as we go through the transition process and see these nominees, of course, we will be looking into the backgrounds of these people, what their plans are with the biden administration. and it is interesting to see the

controversies already coming from the left. you have of course alexandria ocasio-cortez saying that she is not going to forget the pact that the left made with joe biden for an election, but now they want some payment. i'm sure it will come under scrutiny, not just by republicans in the senate, but they will have to confirm biden's senate, but also the far left of his own party appearance before i was looking through the list, and the first latino and immigrant nominated to serve as secretary of the department of homeland security, so that is something notable, obviously, but these initial picks are important to really understand the direction that president biden is going to take the country. there are certain people who have wondered maybe because he said that he wanted to be the great unifier, maybe he will pick a republican.

mitt romney or john kasich to use it, which presidents have done, picked a candidate from the other party, but so far, it doesn't appear to be bad. then again getting all back together again, and all of these picks, i'm sure that the progressive wing, the aocs will be happy with john kerry being on the list right now, and i think that his name was really the big headline for the moment. >> kennedy: yes, indeed. he is back. we will see what he has in store. elected officials clamping down on covid restrictions, one even urging residents to call the cops on those breaking the rules. telling us what to do in our communities at home over the holidays. ♪

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>> look at this. first lady melania trump receiving the annual white house christmas tree. it is gorgeous, coming in at a whopping 18 feet, 5 inches. only slightly taller than your tree. it arrived by horse-drawn carriage and also will be put on display in the blue room. that is lovely. let the season began. i have no problem with that whatsoever. nicely done. now, let's go to this. fox news alert. backlash growing over new covid-19 restrictions. hundreds of californians rallied against governor gavin newsom's new curfew which ordered residents to stay home between 10:00 p.m. and 5:00 a.m. with certain exceptions. it is expected to last about a month, but the sheriff of fresno county says she will not penalize residents who violate it. >> this is consistent with the

actions or nonactions we have taken since the beginning. i don't believe that this is a law enforcement issue. we are so busy enforcing and keeping our citizens saved by arresting robbers and child molesters and home burglars, that making criminals out of normally law-abiding citizens doesn't make sense. >> kennedy: california among at least 42 states that have announced or extended covid restrictions just this month, and in oregon, governor kate brown, get this, telling residents to call the cops on neighbors they see breaking the rules. watch. >> this is no different than what happens if there is a party down the street, and it's keeping everyone awake. what do you neighbors do? they call law enforcement because it's too noisy. >> kennedy: oh, it's just too noisy. so, brian, from a place where they hate the police, they are

now telling the police to go arrest people and throw them in jail if they are hanging out with their family. that seems pretty rational. >> brian: yes, can we get some police officers away from portland, where they are told not to touch the looters and rams actors and writers and please send them into the suburbs where the johnson family is having guests over from the neighborhood for a block party, start pulling people out in handcuffs. it's the only way to crackdown. in los angeles, please i think you're pretty familiar with, riots and protests in front of the mayor's house. this is a very democratic city that has had it with this lockdown that they don't call a lockdown. they just pretend as if it is not. they basically shut down the entire state again, and they want businesses to somehow thrive. joe biden is going to write them a big bailout track like they're supposed to do in new york. people are fed up in buffalo.

they basically kicked out health inspectors. we are leaving bars open. they are saying enough of this. >> kennedy: emily, i have a question for you. so, if your business has been shut down, if you can no longer serve patrons, if you can no longer provide services, is there any way for people to sue some of these cities, counties, and states for their bad decisions that are negatively impacting their lives? >> emily: well, we saw that in the beginning, right? a lawsuit, arguing that their constitutional rights were being infringed, and yes, absolutely. kennedy, you know me well, but anyone can sue. the question is whether it will be successful. at the minimum, it would send a message. my dad, right now doing the work of six people, because they are in oregon, they are trying to skate by. really, they are hanging on by a thread. here in seattle where i live now, or police department is now

the size of what it was in 1990, but the population has increased 44%. these states need leadership. not executive orders that failed to take into account all of these factors and all of these effects from these overblown lockdown. we know that 100,000 small businesses have closed permanently. we know that the homeless aspect. in l.a., 32% increase in homicides. same with new york city. commercial burglaries are up. but yes, we should call the cops to narc on each other. absolutely unacceptable appeared a full section in the paper that is basically an obituary for small businesses, where they talk about the families behind them and what the businesses were appeared earlier this morning, i spoke with an attorney. 11 million jobs that is hanging on by a thread, and is actually quite easy. all we need is that economics you get these businesses

through, but it's the politics that is the hard part. >> kennedy: and the carle carle, these businesses have been struggling for eight months now, and this is the only time they n possibly get themselves into the black because they are so deeply in debt if they are still there. >> carley: there are lots of businesses that are hoping for cyber monday, big time cyber monday sales, but some do not have the web services or traffic to make up for all the lost money and time without business, but you know, i would just want to point out that a lot of conservatives receiving criticism for even shooting down something as simple as a mask mandate. not wearing masks. and i think if you pulled 100 people who protested that, they would say it is not about the mask. it is if you give the government an end, they are going to take a mile. first it is going to be the mask

mandate. then, what is going to happen next? government start telling us what we can and cannot do in our own homes, if you are seeing now in november, that exact scenario play out. >> kennedy: come to the side of liberty, friends. that is where we are all headed. coming up next, and katie, don't worry. it is all you. we may see president-elect biden and back on the campaign trail. the state o state of the biden . that is next. >> we are going to have a divided senate, whatever happens in georgia. majority leader in the u.s. senate. ♪ research shows people remember commercials with nostalgia. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's one that'll really take you back. wow! what'd you get, ryan? it's customized home insurance from liberty mutual!

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>> katie: joe biden's incoming chief of staff says that he will

likely go to georgia to campaign near the democrats challenging republican senators david perdue and kelly loeffler. they will determine whether the g.o.p. keeps control of the senate. >> winning those two senate seats in georgia is important. we are going to do everything we can to help those candidates, help them win. we have already helped people on the recounts down there. our two candidates down there. >> katie: those runoff elections are scheduled for january 5th. combine spending on them is already more than $220 million. georgia republican and congressman doug collins on what he believes is at stake in these races. >> georgians need to realize the reason democrats have flooded the state of georgia is because they want to fundamentally change the centers. they want fundamentally to

changtakeaway the investigativef lindsey graham and others. things that we know can happen. >> katie: brian kilmeade, mitch mcconnell has had this theme of holding the line in the center. more important than ever if he wants to keep the majority. >> brian: i know he won the presidency, but there is no way that that will attract big crowd. donald trump has got to go down there and get the vote out. 10,000 separated these two, but he got more votes than trump. i think this is the republicans to lose. you have warnock, antimilitary in pro military state and then john also who is antigun. history of doing very well. republicans know what is at stake here. >> katie: kennedy, it is going

to be tight, and the next four years look very different depending on this. >> kennedy: that's absolutely true, and there are real ramifications if the senate goes to democratic control because spending is going to be absolutely wild and unimaginable. we have never seen anything like the potential for what would happen if, in fact, the democrats get the hat trick. having said that, it is only georgia who is voting. they are going to grow very resentful of all of this outside money and influence, so i would be curious to see how these candidates still make it in the statewide election and really appealed to georgians because that is critical. it is not just the amount of money that will be spent. we have seen that in past races, and that is not always what makes a difference. >> katie: you, emily, kennedy mentioned this. bernie sanders may be in charge of the budget committee if he does i'm going to the

administration of democrats win. >> emily: it becomes more apparent by the day how crucial that would be. i have to point out that joe biden got nearly 100,000 more votes than the ossoff statewide, and in those phrasings, it was pretty close for your northern atlanta, where there are a lot of votes. he actually did much better than ossoff, so the g.o.p. should focus right there, run as 24/7 about the taxes and that gun control and everything that the biden administration wants to do and really call out the reason why all of those georgians in that area were not comfortable voting for ossoff the first time around. >> katie: yeah, carley, keeping track of all of this stuff, like controversies, they have got it all. >> carley: and a lot of that is coming in from outside states. a lot of it is going from hollywood. george clooney gave them

$10,000. will smith gave, i believe, $4,000, so they have a big democratic donor on their side. they have joe biden, although i agree with brian that i don't really think that joe biden will be able to move the needle, even though he is president-elect. the majority really did so as a vote against president trump, but they have anger on their side. a lot of trump supporter's feel like they got a raw deal with this election, so i think that that will really benefit loeffler and david perdue in terms of getting people to turn out to you about especially because the balance of power does hang on the balance. >> katie: indeed it does appeared in the meantime, governor andrew cuomo is an emmy winner. why they are honoring him and why that is not sitting well with some who lost loved ones to the virus. >> and one week, we had four from covid.

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>> carley: new york governor andrew cuomo is set to get an emmy award for his briefings on the coronavirus

pandemic. the international academy of television arts and sciences said that honoring formal for his "masterful use of the media," but not everyone believes he deserves such an honor. they say their father died in a brooklyn nursing home in april, about a month or so after his advisory that nursing homes had to readmit patients from hospitals, even if they had covid-19. >> he just doesn't deserve an emmy. he deserves an academy award for directing and creating a horror show and nursing homes. he needs to own his mistakes. he needs to apologize, and we need closure and to this order. >> carley: 's so, with that sound bite in mind, does he deserve this award? >> brian: give me some time. no.

absolutely not. he killed an entire city and is taking a bow for it. he rode a book. one thing i will give him credit for it. communication is good. in all seriousness, he explained something was going on, but when push came to shove, he criticized everyone that wasn't doing exactly what he was. he took credit for everything. that was his responsibility. shutting down schools again, giving into them, that's his responsibility. i can go on and talk about the lack of communication and hatred that the mayor has for him and he has for the mayor. has shown an absence of leadership. not putting personal bickering behind you. working towards the common good, not taking responsibility for anything that has gone wrong as he starts to ratchet up the lock down throughout new york. >> carley: yeah, you know, kennedy, i think it would make a really powerful statement if he said the job is not done. i am not going to take this

award yet because they are still in the middle of this pandemic, but because he already wrote the book, i don't expect that to be his response. >> kennedy: now, it's incredibly insensitive. this weekend, as you know, her husband lost both of his parents within days of each other because the nursing homes were forced to take covid patients, and it was like throwing a match and kerosene-soaked wildfire, and that's what happens. so many people died. so incredibly heartless and insensitive, and he's never given a good explanation for why he made that decision when you had the ship sitting in the hudson river and the pop-up hospital in central park where you could have taken some of these elderly patients and isolated them from the rest of the population. so vulnerable. he could have done that, and he didn't. and he keeps changing his answer, and he needs to be held

accountable for that, and thus far, he hasn't been, and when you hear story after story, it grows more tragic. and you know, these organizations that are running cover for him should be ashamed of themselves. >> carley: you know, kennedy, you brought up the hospitals, and that reminded me that governor cuomo did receive a lot of help on the federal level from the trump administration with ventilators, but i don't see president trump getting any award appeared probably not much of a surprise. >> katie: yeah, look. this is what i am calling tyrannical elitism. every single decision that andrew cuomo has made, whether it is lockdown decisions on the schools that affect the most vulnerable populations, special needs children, or minimum-wage workers who need their single moms -- need their kids to go to school, or putting elderly populations into nursing homes and having covid-19 destroy

thousands of families. refusing to take accountability for it, and then you have the people at the emmy as who want to reward him for this type of behavior who are also elitist, proving that they are fine with having a two-tiered system of very bad political leaders making horrific decisions that impact people and their families in the worst way possible and having no accountability or really just as for what has gone on so far. >> carley: you guys all make great points. emily, we will get you on the other side, of course. in the meantime, a former trump white house aide says the difference is how the media treats joe biden, whereas how they treat president trump is nothing short of astonishing. making that accusation and whether they are right. his goal musica ould come to newa first. there's no money down, it's the best vehicle

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>> it is still is still astonishing to see the difference in the way that the press treats joe biden versus the way they have treated president trump over the last not just four years but the last probably five and a half years. i'm a little jealous, i wish i had had a couple of softball questions when i was in the briefing room. >> katie: there you go, former white house press secretary sarah sanders calling of the media for their largely-friendly questioning of president-elect joe biden. she also says it should not come as a shock to anyone who followed the coverage of candidate trump in 2016. so, family, i will ask you this. when are they going to switch gears and start pressing into the president-elect, will that ever happen? >> emily: i mean, don't hold your breath. i feel like the pendulum swinging 180 degrees is just as toxic. we are still the losers here,

the american people because that office does deserve challenging and deserves the scrutiny, of course. but without the vitriol and the toxicity that we've seen for the last four years and certainly not without the worship we saw the eight years prior and undoubtedly the four years ahead. there has to be middle ground where there is respect for the office but a scrutiny and a challenge that can come with information for us and to make it more transparent and i think taken as a whole with "the hunger games" showmanship award that governor cuomo is getting combined with this, i think the entire media landscape with us as an exception is really disheartening. >> kennedy: katie, you've actually been in the room, you've been in those briefings and at some point the press is going to get frustrated because they are not going to get the answers they are seeking and they are going to be shut down just like they were in the obama white house which was actually

spying on journalists. >> katie: i always find it ironic when the media is not equally treating republican presidents with democratic presidents because they both deserve equal scrutiny, after all, they are in the highest office of our government and it is true that i think that journalists and reporters are going to miss president trump because they had so much access, it used to be multiple times a day with the press briefings, we've already heard some complaints about the lack of information from the biden team as they throughout their transition, certainly a number of reporters covering the biden campaign were very frustrated with the lack of information. so we will see how it goes but hopefully biden will not take the same playbook as obama did and spy on reporters and executives at news organizatio organizations. >> kennedy: i hope you're right. in honor of the 400th anniversary of the mayflower landing at plymouth rock, brian kilmeade looks at the history of the first thanksgiving and how it became

the holiday we know today. available on fox nation, go subscribe today, it's coming this wednesday and thanks so much to everyone on the couch today. and now, here's julie banderas in for harris. take it away, julie. ♪ >> julie: thank you. a fox news alert, protesters taking to the streets in california this weekend sounding off against the governor there, gavin newsom's latest coronavirus restrictions. this is "outnumbered overtime," i'm julie banderas in for harris faulkner today. hundreds are marching in southern california's huntington beach after the governor imposed a 10:00 p.m. curfew for most of the entire state as coronavirus cases there continue to spike. los angeles county also announcing it will suspend in person dining on wednesday just one dor