>> i have to say, you are professional in every way, i could not do three hours of television with that smell wafting through the house. enjoy it. a happy thanksgiving to you and your mom. ♪ >> happy thanksgiving, everybody everybody. i'm harris faulkner, you are watching "outnumbered." two months away from the most important senate elections. the georgia runoff on januar january 5th. it will decide the balance of power on capitol hill and the fate of president-elect to joe biden and his agenda. early voting begins more than two weeks from today with democrats challenging republican david perdue. with so much at stake, lee chief

of staff says to expect the president-elect to campaign georgia. >> when he knows to senate seats is important. we are going to do everything we can to help those two candidates candidates, great candidates in georgia. we've already moved people who were working on the biden campaign on the recounts. we are going to be supportive in the fieldwork. fico republicans have launched what they call a 50 state fund-raising effort to win georgia runoffs and keep the majority. vice president mike pence has been there in recent days. >> stakes in this election have never been higher and here in georgia i have to tell you, the choice has never been clear. we need you to do everything in your power to make sure, just be sure that your two senators will be there. on the agenda. >> harris: let's take a right to our virtual couch, townhouse

editor and fox news contributor katie pavlich. gillian turner, executive director and fox news contributor, marie harf. joining us today, fox business anchor david as men. happy thanksgiving! i've got a little plate of left over off to the right here to keep myself motivated. no, i want to be with you. we talk about money and so many different ways at the business network where you star. i'm wondering what it all means now with regards to georgia. does georgia benefit from tons of campaign money coming in from democrats and republicans? >> the question is, who is georgia, i don't know if they will benefit from the bombardment they're about to get from both sides. there is never been a senate race, they will have more money thrown at them. it really is so much bigger than just georgia. i know the georgians hate it

when they hear that, but it happens to be true because it will in fact, the nation for years to come, if democrats win both senate races, both runoffs, they will have the executive power and both houses of congress and they will get a lot of stuff done that will change america. senator schumer, he was right there and that sound bite of him saying this, now onto georgia. first he said change the world and then he said change america. that should be used as a republican ad because a lot of americans, 50 pe 57% say they're concerned about democrats winning those races and having a carte blanche. think about what would be affected, everything from packing the supreme court supreme court, insurance of tax increases just when the country is trying to build its way out of the covid lockdowns.

and then on and on, whether the states, whether we will at the district of columbia as a state which would change the balance of power. there are a lot of things that will affect the country. the question is, how will it affect georgia and frankly i'm glad that i don't live there right now. >> harris: you know, marie, when you hear david and others allude to senator schumer's rallying cry to change the country, do you think that does anything to reach across the aisle politically and/or reach across the aisle to people who didn't vote for joe biden? and that is north of 74 million people. i'm just wondering when you hear that talk as a democrat, what goes through your mind? >> marie: this is a partisan election and republicans certainly are reaching across the aisle to understand biden voters. when we are talking about

georgia here, each side is trying to mobilize its base and its voters. democrats are cautiously optimistic because joe biden did win the state, democrats have won there is this month, i can't believe were still in november. it feels like the longest month ever. what is so interesting is the point of view, the position they are pushing is that with mitch mcconnell in charge of the senate, nothing will get done. americans will not get more covid relief. it will not get actual fixes to obamacare. they won't actually get a new voting rights act or prescription drug benefit passed through congress because mitch mcconnell has refused to do that for the last four years. what democrats are saying is, you were sick of gridlock in washington, mitch mcconnell senate, that is why democrats need to control. too many people that's a powerful argument. that the reason covid relief has

been seen on mitch mcconnell's desk for months. >> harris: i hear what you are saying, but what happens, it had to be joe biden? he was the only candidate in 2020 that can bring people together, that can make them work together no matter what the configurations were. he is joe biden. what happened to that? i don't think i heard marie mention him once in terms of being the unifier. she mentioned mitch mcconnell a lot. >> katie: i did see this week that joe biden tweeted we need to work together. it is washington, d.c., and you have the democratic party that has been demonizing trump supporter since the day of the election, saying they want to make sure they're unemployable because they worked for the trump administration. in terms of getting back to georgia, whatever happens in georgia is really going to make

joe biden's presidency look quite different if it's republican senate, more negotiation. mitch mcconnell has worked with joe biden in the past. they both served in the senate. joe biden's cabinet members are also going to have a different experience depending on who has the majority in the senate. you can say maybe americans are sick of gridlock, but a lot of americans will make the argument, it's a good thing for washington, d.c., to be doing less, for government to be focused on local issues at the local level rather than the one side fits all policies. when it comes to covid relief, it's mitch mcconnell and the republicans who voted to pass 500 million more dollars for covid relief. you have them asking for nancy pelosi to vote to approve money to be released that's been set aside for covid relief. what the democrats have pushed through, it is full of a number of progressive left wing wish list items that are put in on

the back of a covid relief package. georgia will be important. you have don jr. advocating for people to go get out and vote. it will turn to voter turnout in that state. >> harris: you mention covid-19 and that's a crucial one. i'm reading now, single day records for new covid infections reached in georgia again this week. we've been seeing that spike since earlier on in november, more than 3,000 cases per day. you have some of the medical professionals they are saying that there is sadness, regret and betrayal. this has to be an issue on the ground in georgia, just like it is in other states. what can be done politically? the president doing too well on that issue until the very end. how do republicans battle that. >> georgia is a clear example

with how much covid has steeped into politics. the main headline into news this week about these runoffs is whether kelly leffler has covid. we know she tested positive and negative and then inconclusive, all over a few days we people have been focused on this issue, a political and public issue. the real political drama here that will come over the next coming weeks and months which is why you are seeing so many tens of billions of dollars is that this election more than any other is going to solidify whether or not this state is turning blue as democrats claim it has. the arguments here is that you look at the margins over the state in the last 15 years, they have been consistently diminishing. if they keep that trend going they will have a lot from her ground to stand on. if it stays republican then obviously georgia is a swing

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>> harris: new questions about the push to limit thanksgiving gatherings and other activities as coronavirus cases keep rising across america. among states ramping up restrictions, pennsylvania told people to wear masks inside their own homes as guests are there. oregon warned people they could face jail if they held gatherings with more than six people. california governor gavin newsom issued a nighttime curfew and most counties. he is one of several democratic leaders being accused of hypocrisy after he was caught breaking his own rules this month, dining indoors with a group who were not wearing mas masks. gavin newsom later apologized more than once. >> i made a bad mistake. the spirit of what i'm preaching all the time, i have to own

that. i apologize to you. i need to preach and practice, not just preach and not just practice. >> harris: washington, d.c., mayor was left contrite after traveling to delaware to congratulate joe biden. despite that state being on her own travel advisory list. here's one you are familiar with. chicago mayor lori lightfoot took heat for pushing a new stay-at-home order days after being without a mask among crowds, celebrating joe biden's win. philadelphia mayor jim kenney was spotted at a maryland restaurant after imposing indoor dining restrictions on his city. perhaps he needed to do what gavin newsom suggested, between bites, put on your mask. before or have two masks with space in between for your mouth. it's been suggested. this kind of hypocrisy is why

last weekend we had 3 million american flying to grandmother's house or wherever, and defiance of stay-at-home lockdown orders. americans just don't buy it anymore. i know we have to be very careful, it's a horrible virus, anyone who's been attacked by it realizes that, but the same kind of hypocrisy, living in the lands of the free any home home of the brave, there's been a lot less freedom and bravery in dealing with all of this. the worst for me was when he had the nerve to criticize police officers who said they weren't going to invade private homes to fulfill the governors dictate. this is not a matter of people defying a law, this is a matter people define individuals, defying dictates, very often by the governors. sometimes approved by legislators.

they are not official laws. we are a nation of laws, not dictators and certainly not dictates that is what people like governor cuomo forget. >> harris: there was a line that stuck out to me when you showed everyone governor newsom apologizing. he said he needs to do less preach and more following his own news. why is anybody preaching? if something is a law it's a law. there is no need to stand on a soapbox if you are modeling good behavior. i thought action spoke louder than words. >> whether it's this ne gavin newsom dining indoors, not socially distance, all crowded. we could do another segment on that, but there is that, nancy pelosi sneaking into a hair salon to get a quick haircut once lawns in san francisco were closed. the problem here is not only as

you say the politicians who are failing to lead by example, they are failing to abide by the rules and the laws that they themselves are putting in place. that's another key factor. these people are becoming living, breathing examples of what not to do. they're becoming living, breathing examples of how hard it is for the average americans to follow the guidelines that they put in place. these are things that are hard, they require sacrifice. they can't be accommodated. this is what governor cuomo, trying to have thanksgiving with his 87-year-old mother, it's hard not to understand that you would want to have a meal on your holiday with your mother when she doesn't have input at holidays left the planet. the ago but he prohibits others from doing it. because that's the problem! it makes you feel like a bad person for sitting here and judging him when you know he's trying to do what's right.

it's the hypocrisy that makes us feel this way. >> harris: this comes down to, and i don't want to base on it too much, but when i see hypocrisy and makes me think those relationships, they cheat on each other but they ask the other not to do it to them. it's cheating. i don't understand why a speaker of the house, the mayor of chicago, another haircut situation, i don't understand why they need to change. you have said how dire the situation is as the numbers have popped and people are perishing again. why this cheating? >> i think democratic and republican leaders should follow the guidelines they said and place and i think it's harmful to the overall efforts when gavin newsom does things like this. i've spoken out against it. what is frustrating for me is this outrage at gavin newsom from the right, not outrage at

donald trump or mike pence or any of the governors who refused to take public health steps that experts are begging them to take, encouraging people not to travel, having mask mandates in states where the virus is exploding. people should obviously be following their own rules they set in place, but what bothers me more, the reasons the people traveled is because the president and vice president who are in charge of the coronavirus response in this country, countrywide, nationally, they have undermined public health experts who downplayed the vir virus. president trump has done that repeatedly. they have said, you shouldn't have to sacrifice anything, you know what? we used to be a country where people sacrificed, world war ii took years. my mother is supposed to be here today with me in washington, d.c., and she's not because there's something bigger than what we all want to do

individually. it's not just about not putting your family at risk, it's about the other people who are put at risk by all of this travel. we can do hard things and make sacrifices in this country and unfortunately our federal government that's in charge of this response will ask us to do that. it's all about what you feel and what you want to do. it's very selfish. >> david: tell that to governor cuomo. >> harris: you are making some good points. i go back to the beginning and i remember the medical professionals around the president and other places across the country giving mixed messaging on a masks. when you are raising children you will learn, how you start is how you finish. i do understand having done a drill down on why some of that language was the way it was. they wanted to preserve ppe. we are grown up americans.

we are not just the greatest nation on the planet, we are grown up americans. maybe we needed face coverings rather than the fancy n95. that mixed messaging was tough. >> marie: the bottom line here is that this is beyond hypocrisy. this is a tyrannical elitism. >> katie: they are demanding that people sacrifice for 9 in months, americans have been going through the worst situation they have gone through decades. family businesses that have been and their families for generations have gone under. 19,000 businesses in california alone have been destroyed due to the stay-at-home lockdown orde orders. for these politicians to be breaking their own rules, it causes a lot of problems, most importantly if you're going to be lectured about public health and if you dare to have your family at your house, you're putting everyone at risk.

if they don't believe in what they are telling everybody else to do, these are orders that destroy livelihood, they destroy people's american dreams. it means people can go to college. if these guys don't believe in what they are telling everybody else to do, why should americans believe that what they're saying is credible, and something they should do? especially in california when gavin newsom was at that restaurant with doctors. he wasn't just with lobbyists, he was with medical doctors at dinner. they don't believe it, wash and americans believe it? >> harris: who knows what they believe, but we know one thing, they do believe they are above it and that can be as dangerous as anything else. progressive democrats fighting for a seat at the table in the incoming v-6 administration. hitting elbows. the pressure the party's left-wing is putting on the president-elect and what we can expect it can have on his agen

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biden a administration. it would be enormously insulting if he put together a team of rivals and there is discussion that that is what he intends to do, which might include democrats, but which ignores the progressive community. that would be very, very unfortunate. i'm going to come to you first. there is discussion about progressives really pushing biden, they've kind of stood by as the last days of the election unfolded. they wanted to give him breathing room, but now they're going to double down and try to get as many people on his radar as they can. tell us if you think now is the right time to do that for them. it is too soon for them to be lobbying hard? do you think now is the best time? >> marie: i think a lot of people are lobbying divided

administration on what it should look like. we have seen progressives actually pretty happy with his choices with the department of homeland security and his choice to leave the treasury department. i think they didn't just stand by at the end of this election, they actively campaigned and they were part of helping him coming in, they brought their correlation to the voting booth. i think people are lobbying joe biden end of the progressives are key part of the party and they are doing it in a way that shows they are supportive of the president-elect. and i do think that his cabinet and staff will be pretty diverse when it comes out, who was in all of the positions and when other cabinet secretaries get named. >> it is true when you say they have been pleased with the picks so far. katie, it's true progressives can't be terribly pleased with the foreign policy picks. tony blank ends, those folks,

people that i've really been in government for decades. people that are sort of washington establishment policy folks. fuller career policy operative spirit tell us about the foreign policy side what what you are thinking. >> look, vice president elect -- president-elect joe biden's cabinet picks so far are exactly what you said, establishment types, reruns from the obama administration, not necessary revolutionary leftists in the form of alexandria ocasio-cort ocasio-cortez. as she has said and holding the press conference, they remember the packs they made with the team, they take the agreement they had a very seriously and terms of moving it forward and having real results. this goes back to what we were talking about earlier with georgia. there's been a lot of speculation on if joe biden

would prefer that to hold off the far left on capitol hill, pushing through a number of these far left proposals, green new deal, medicare for all. of course if they keep the senate or overturn the senate, people like bernie sanders would be in charge of big committees. where is that going to push joe biden in terms of saying he was a moderate, winning the presidency while also trying to satisfy this are left enthusiastic part of the party. >> we also don't have the core a key domestic policy positions in place at this point. these are the issues where the progressives in the democratic party are really going to focus time and attention, traditionally, the issues they care about. more than foreign policy, taxation, health care issues, the green new deal, climate

change. david, what you expect coming from the transition team in the coming days? >> which biden will take over? during the primary season he moved to a very close to the bernie positions on the green new deal. that is why you have a $3 trillion commitments. student debt, $1.6 trillion the liz warren and bernie sanders. i always think of that moment during the primary when she was confronted by the father in iowa, back in january who said look, i went into debt to pay for my daughter's college education. i paid for it clean. she doesn't owe a penny, but do i get my money back. taxpayers only, the man always had a bill for the government programs at some point, in some way. that question of that particular

working class hero and iowa was never answered by liz warren. she laughed it off. at some point i think bernie sanders is going to be faced with these kinds of questions. liz warren, the other progressives, at some point biden will stand up and represent the middle ground of the democratic party and say, we can't pay for these things. at some point we have to say, this is as far as we can go. >> we have to leave the conversations there. coming up, big attack facing accusations of censorship. whether lawmakers got the answers they were looking for, when they had those big execs like mark zuckerberg in the hot seat. we will debate. ♪ my student loan debt.

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corporations in history and here they are coordinating about how they will stop us from speaking, who they're going to ban, what phrases will be allowed to trend and whatnot. they were basically caught red-handed. >> that was senator josh hawley last week, back and forth with mark zuckerberg in a judiciary hit hearing. he claimed facebook employees coordinate with their counterparts at twitter and google on what content to moderate. he denied that, but admitted facebook workers do sometimes speak with their peers at other companies. >> i'm not aware of any particular conversation, but i would expect some level of communication happens. it's no different than coordinating what our policies are or responses in specific instances. be a go that hearing was on allegations that they censored

content while enjoying protection from the liability faced by publishers. it came after weeks of twitter took heed for temporarily blocking a new york post report on hunter biden's business dealings. we've had a a lot of hearings about these things, not a lot of legislation or action. your thoughts? >> one of the things that he pointed it out, half a million, i don't know if everybody in that community was as familiar. when he brought up centro which is used to track users, across the internet and you heard mark zuckerberg answering, they may talk to other people. no, it's much more involved than that. they centralize and aid investigations and concepts subjects like coordinated behavior. they may be getting together like cronies to do it.

if you allow me, i have a question for david. they look at this so closely at the business network. how does this punch down to power and money? most things do. >> according to some people, we had a sound bite from tucker's show, he had a guy named robert on the other night talking about exactly how it boiled down to money. he's a democrat. he announced he did not vote for donald trump. he said that not only did the coordinated action of the people on the internet google facebook, twitter, shift 6 million votes in the election. it's also true that google and facebook and perhaps twitter as well, his words not mine, "buys politicians and academics to help the social media companies

coordinate their activities." that is to say things like section 230 which should prevent them to editing and censoring material on the internet, that is the agreement, that excuses them from being sued by anybody for what appears, it has clearly violated that section. there is coordination going on, we know that now. the question is what we will do about it. >> katie: it's interesting watching these senators and the issues they're going after with the big tech companies. questions about addiction, fraud, acting, a platform. they are antitrust questions that they've tried to refer to. they're trying to come at this from all different angles, and it doesn't seem like anything has really stuck yet.

>> that is exactly the problem. you are first question i think god at this, we've gone through dozens of hours of hearings now. we've heard from all the big tech execs, instagram, twitter, apple, we've heard from all of them. most of them multiple times. all of these hearings with these moments where senators like josh hawley looked really good on this issue and they managed to get these big execs to admit they don't know what is going on inside their own companies, sometimes they live. the ball is so clearly in congress is court, it's their job to regulate these companies. will they continue to drag them to capitol hill and parade them or will they do their job which is to legislate? so far we have seen zero action and analysts threats and it's getting rather tiresome.

>> the big tech issue hasn't been republicans upset. in 2016 democrats were upset with how facebook and twitter handled a number of issues, they were asking hard questions. more censorship allegations. these big tech companies have been under fire from all sides of capitol hill over the last few years. >> that is true and every week i have to personally report dozens of people threatening me with physical harm. i'm not even on twitter. these platforms have a a lot of problems. whether it's allowing white nationalist to grow and recruit on their platforms, allowing hate and violence towards women, they have a lot a lot of big issues. what strikes me as interesting is here and conservatives like josh hawley who rail against regulations by the government, every other industry, suddenly on these platforms, they want them to be involved.

then a fast mention that. he said, i'm a conservative and i don't like the idea of regulations. you look at facebook on any given day, the majority of the top-performing posts are all from conservatives. whether it is ben shapiro, breitbart, donald trump. it's not like conservatives don't have huge influence on these platforms. you are right. they're pretty unhappy with them a lot of the time as well. that is for sure. >> david, going back to the money question here. these companies make a a lot of money. everyone says, it's a free platform. when it's free there is a price and you are the product. >> it's not an open platform. they are supposed to present information without censoring it or editorializing. they're doing both. there censoring, we saw that

with "the new york post." jack dorsey admitted. he said it was a mistake, but he admitted it happened. there editorializing. they have become an editorial publication and they don't deserve that section. that protects them from lawsui lawsuits. that is what congress should do, withdraw section 230230. >> we've seen them edit the oldest newspaper in america on laptops, witnesses, and that is what set off his latest round of hearings. >> we don't have a good transparent look at how they do their censoring. at fox news, we have editorial team. we've gone the leader of our

news, jay wallace. on the other side you have the editorial eyes with hannity and tucker and superstars. and people understand how it all comes together like the newspaper. with social media, they are not fact-checking with a separate group. we call ours the brain room. it's a fancy way of saying that we have a team that's fact-checking. as much as they can do it and real time. we have a a lot of news conferences in real time. i don't know twitter has a room full of people crunching stuff. and so i would just be curious to know how they really make decisions. it is the ball moving on how they're making those decisions based on their politics? i don't know. they are good questions. >> we shall see. in the meantime, 2020 has been quite the year, but there's plenty to be thankful for this

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2020 has been a year to say the least, however there are so many things to be thankful for. i will talk with david. >> this is easy for me. were always talking about how nothing is more important than family, that is the only good thing about covid, it has brought families together. they are am with my wife and our grandson, he was born two weeks ago tomorrow. he's an answer to a prayer. there were complications at the beginning of pregnancy, we prayed like crazy. every day we prayed together. as a result those problems went away. the doctor said he can explain why, 8 pounds and 4 ounces, that's a healthy baby. b1 gobbled us. what do you mean you can't explain, were all praying! of course we can explain! >> that's right.

>> this year has put so much in perspective, be thankful for the health, my husband, my work. little things in the time of crisis, it's the center focus of your gratitude and that have been me this year. >> harris: amen. murray? >> marie: obviously i'm very thankful for my family. we've all gotten to spend more time with immediate family and had to do virtual family gatherings. i'm grateful for them. i'm grateful for the scientists working on a vaccine. we are so close! i'm grateful for that. i'm grateful for the chaos of the last four years, it will end soon. i'm thankful for that. >> harris: jillian? >> for me in so many other americans, a year of really hard lessons to learn, painful

lessons. what i learned this year was that at the end of the day the only thing that matters is family. it matters more than anything else. it matters more than anything else tomorrow. that has been the lesson of this entire season which hopefully is coming to a close sometimes in the next few months. and people can start to recover. i learned in a new way, it's about family and the people who love you. that's it. >> harris: i'm thankful for someone who is low-profile, my sister, my much younger sister. she's an amazing single mother, hardworking, creative, raising a culinary genius teenager. she has been on her own as the primary caregiver for my 83-year-old dad who is in a senior complex. he so far away. as soon as i can get back in motion, i'm going there to give her the best spa day of her

life. i love you. i'm so thankful for you. i'm thankful for everybody on the panel. keep it "outnumbered." 2021, are you ready? we are ready. happy thanksgiving to you and yours. we are back tomorrow at noon eastern with more "outnumbered." what'd you get, ryan? it's customized home insurance from liberty mutual! what does it do bud? it customizes our home insurance so we only pay for what we need! and what did you get, mike? i got a bike. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ hi susan! honey? yeah? i respect that. but that cough looks pretty bad... try this new robitussin honey severe. the real honey you love... plus, the powerful cough relief you need. mind if i root through your trash? new robitussin honey severe. strong relief for your severe symptoms.

♪ >> the supreme court ruling against andrew cuomo's limit on relivreligious gathering, blockt and a 5-4 rule, just as amy kony barrett's voice was the deciding factor. hello, everyone. >> hello. governor cuomo imposed capacity limits on houses of worship in hard-hit areas to combat the coronavirus pandemic, but the court's decision found his order violated