happy thanksgiving, tough times but there's always a lot to be thankful for. set your dvr, never miss an episode and let not your heart be troubled. i hope you and your family have a greatou night. ♪ >> laura: this is laura ingraham and this is a special thanksgiving addition of "the ingraham angle" from washington tonight. for months we've been warning you that this would happen if biden was elected. more edicts,>> more rules, more lockdowns and now advising, don't mingle with family this week. of course. don't take my word for it. listen to the experts that joe gets all his advice from. >> we usually have a very large thanksgiving dinner, we are going to have that this year. >> i'm going to forgo all the thanksgiving dinners this year. >> you want to take a couple steps back and say is it worth it for this year to bring those people together when you don't

know what the status of everybody in that pod that you have created is. >> laura: stay out of my pod, anthony.y. while tonight three of the top epidemiologist in the world explain right here on "the angle" why these never ending lockdowns must stop. it's literally a matter of life and death. plus we talk to someone who lived through australia's lockdown nightmare. his warning to all americans later in the show. also, the man who was out in front regarding the deleterious effects of lockdowns, white house covid advisor dr. scott atlas. but first, a mandate for defeat. that's the focus of tonight's angle. during the campaign, joe biden and his handlers refused to be transparent about basic policy questions including their specific plan for handling covid. on top of that they lied about jo's opposition to fracking, as true timeline for destroying the oil and gas industry and they

knew in their heart of hearts that the nation wasn't nearly as radical as their party had become. so they sold bidenea as sort of, kind of moderate, amiable, grandfather figure. he would help heal the nation's divided and even help conquer the virus itself with science and compassion. >> today i'd made that the covid-19 transition advisory board comprised of distinguished public health experts. this group will advise on detailed plans, built on a bedrock of science and keepp compassion, empathy and care for every american at its core. >> laura: compassion? remember we told you that we c need to use what we called biden-analogy to transfer form things of this type. first there is dr. zeke emanuel, rahm emanuel's brother, from

obamacare. dr. emanuel also just happens to be someone who thinks it's morally problematic for people to live beyond of the age 75. >> i look at 75 when i look at all the data on physical disability, dementia and alzheimer's disease, loss of creativity, slowing down of the the body and 75 seems like it is that somewhat arbitrary moment where you get the maximum chance you are so going to be vital and alive and vigorous. >> laura: i wonder if 77-year-old joe knows about zeke's 75-year-old cut off? i wonder what dr. emanuel's real feelings are about covid it given that according to the cdc, most deaths are american 75 and c. also on the task force, former hhs whistle-blower rick not so bright, who followed the

frivolous whistle-blower complaint against the trump administration. it's just a vindictive, gratuitous and click purely critical move.cola if youou think biden's virus pal will offer any optimism or hope, hope of returning to normal anytime soon, guess again. after all he put dr. michael osterholm, we've been warning you about him, on the task force as well. this is what the good doctor just told cnbc today. >> what america has to understand as we are about to enter covid. we haven't even come close to the peak and as such our hospitals are now being overrun. the next three or four months will be by far the darkest of the pandemic. >> laura: the long, dark winter's back. biden also appointed dr. vic murthy to cochair the covid task force. when they announced a vaccine

could be ready in november, this is what he did to throw cold water on the idea. >> i think it's very difficult to give specific dates, you had to be clear about the distribution plan for this vaccine because it will take months to get the vaccine out even under optimal circumstances which is why the vaccination campaign we developed has to be top-notch and executed well. >> laura: i guess he forgot to buy a vowel. fortunately for the restst of us that nd was wrong and trump was right. today pfizer announced promising early results from its clinical vaccine trials. anticipate having enough doses for 15 or 20 million people by the end of the year, this year. that's good news, right? not if you are the governor of new york. >> it's good news-bad news, george. the bad news is it's about two months before joe biden takes over and the trump administration is rolling up the vaccination plan and i believe it's flawed.

how can we shape the trump administration vaccine plan to fix it or stop it before it does damage? >> laura: okay. this is truly a sick man with a tyrant complex. but then again, preventing covid deaths among the most vulnerable has never been his thing. far better to spend his time harassing a bunch of orthodox jews attending a funeral, social distancing. now, what about all the science people, but they seem to believe in, which is that a vaccine is only safe if biden is in office. as biden made clear today, not even a vaccine will deter them. >> may be stays the life of a member of your place of worship. maybe it saves the lives of one

of your children's teachers. maybe it saves your life. so please, i implore you. wear a mask. do itif for yourself. do it for your neighbor. the mask is not a political statement. but it is a good way to start pulling the country together. >> laura: wait a minute. wearing a mask is a good way to start pulling the country together? what does pulling the country together have to do within sciee or health? get it? the more you hear these guys talk about covid, the more it sounds as though their perspectives are truly political. entirely political. americans are happy to cooperate on health measuresiviv including masks that will truly benefit our health, but they will not give upp their traditional liberties as part of a political effort to start pulling the country together. they've been touring the country apart for the last three years, four years, five years. in short, the key lesson for today is that biden's covid plans are not driven by a

science and the aren't altered by the developer to vaccine and they appear to have no relation to the actual facts. certainly they ignore the overwhelming evidence that western europe has tried similar policies which have ended in disaster.ig lockdowns, masks, none of them seem to stem the violence. meanwhile the economy is growing back out so long as biden and company don't get their hands on it. look, it's too early to tell how the election will come out but i can tell you this. joe biden and the democrats do not have a mandate from the voters to wreck the economy or take away your civil liberties, my civil liberties and the name of covid. over 71 million patriots votedou for president trump. assuming they can win in georgia and january republicans will hold the senate. republicans gain seats in the house. the american people didn't vote to lock themselves down and i

believe they will resist any such effort. i've interviewed governor desantis, lots of other republican officials and i do not think that you will see states governed by republicans destroying themselves, destroying small businesses, restaurants, everything, due to the fear of covid. and i don't think a congress with the republican senate make them do so. so if biden and his puppeteers try to force us into unnecessary lockdowns, they will find themselves taken to court and they will lose. i know that the democrats spent most of the weekend celebrating. no covid there, but it's important that they understand the truth. whatever happens in this presidential election, you will not have the power to write our constitution, deny our liberty on lock down our economy. if you try any of these things, we will fight you day and night and we will win. the american people have spoken and they a have made clear that covid or no covid to come

democrats must seek cooperation, not submission from us. for months now i've made it clear that covid is a national tragedy that should have been something that brought us all together. instead democrats used it as a political weapon. it was effectively joest biden's running mate.l now, the election is over and a vaccine is on the way. they are still using it. what was biden's phrase, start pulling the country together? sorry democrats, you don't have that kind of power. if you want to pull the country together, i suggest you start treating the rest of us is free and equal citizens. that will only backfire. and that's angle. joining us now is cardiologists extraordinary. doctor, biden's entire covid plan seems to hinge on mandates and a lot of these people on the

task force were all for the lockdowns. what does the science say? >> the lockdowns may actually delay herd immunity and may delay country is coming back. and we have data out of japan where half of tokyo has antibodies to covid. one might say well they mask, don't they in japan? well there is too much influenza in japan. taiwan has done good too, but we don't have that kind of granular data but lockdowns may actually harm not just the economy, but the health of the country that was locked down. >> laura: and when president trump announced thaty ambitious timeline for the vaccine, he was mocked. it was called political, and hen was the head of his own covid task force. >> we won't have a vaccine

that's deployable for right at least a year or a year and a half. >> think it's really unrealistic. >> aspirational leak, it's at the end of the year, realistically it will be 2021. we had it in for him from the start of this. your reaction? >> it certainly in academia that they did, and those were private practice and those who were trying to care for patients who actually play their salaries, they were all pretty much on the side of trump. when you look at biden's program, the scary part of it is not the scientific part, what they have done is taken all thet successful programs of trump and put sort of the new age academic cliches on it to call them something different. such as a safe vaccine as opposed to an unsafe vaccine,

now to have basically a next-generation testing compareo to the testing that's beingne de now over now the fourth generation testing. and then they have evidence-based care, as if all the care in the country has notv been evidence-based. then they have a pandemic dashboard. we already have one and john hopkins. that's not the scary part. the scary part is the social political part where we are going to have a program to address the food insecurity during the obesity epidemic. and the effect of covid-19 on affordable housing. only diverse people can care for covid-19, those are the people who are caring for them are diverse enough.

then we have this women's caregiving force, which will take care of all the covid patients because only one sacks can actually be empathetic enough for covid patients, it's crazy. the conservatives are going after asians because of virus, and going after cuomo because he things that came out of italy. >> laura: that was the best litany ever recited on "the ingraham angle" in years. question about the timing. pfizer has this data, some people wondering about the data. should we be serious about thebo timing because the president obviously in his tweets is concerned about it. >> i think theng timing makes

perfect sense. you have a president who put in an executive order from the most favored status on drug pricing which will markedly reduce pfizer's profits in the coming years. you have another president who is proposed next to nothing in terms of reining in drug prices. why wouldis you release that and potentially help the president who will hurt you financially? i think the ceo had a fiduciary responsibility to the stockholders and he will get a bonus commensurate with his work on their behalf. >> laura: all i will say is president trump did more to address the drug pricing issue and was justt getting to the god part.. and that's not good for big pharma.s i guess we will hear why they delayed the announcement but who knows if it would've made of a distance don't make a difference in the election? thank you so much, great to see both of you. coming up, three of the world's

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>> laura: president trump's covid recovery has not slowed down his administration's efforts to find the right balancee between protecting vulnerable americans from thee disease while bringing back the unprecedented prosperity of the prepandemic years. now to that end, is hhs secretary alex azar and white house covid advisor dr. scott atlas held a roundtable that happened earlier today to discuss a pandemic plan that was put togetherp by the world's top epidemiologists. current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. those who are not vulnerablede shall be immediately allowed to resume life as normal. schools and universities shouldt be open for in person teaching. restaurants and other businesses should open. arts, music, sports and other cultural activities should resume.pe tonight, two of the world-renowned scientists who wrote those roles join us exclusively.

martin called dorf, harvard medical epidemiology professor and biostatistician. doctor, let's start with you. why has there been so much resistance to reopening given what we are seeing in europe right now? >> i think it's stunning because that is what you would do if you follow basic public health practice so there is sort of a perception that lockdowns and contact tracing is something that the scientific community is behind. then there are some who are advocating that. most with the risk-based strategy where we protect the elderly and other high-risk groups where they resume lives

more or less normally. that's what we have been advocating and which we now put the declaration. we put that out this morning and there are already over 500 medical and public health scientists who have cosigned as well as over 500 practicing medical professionals. >> laura: okay. i want people to understand this. we are talking to three of the top epidemiologists. i know you guys are modest, but in the world, the three of you. you are all three saying thisis approach of locking down, rolling lockdowns, does not work. and that is what is happening around the world.

and what, i'm sorry, if it is being planned to wins thet presidency. he and dr. fauci spoke on cnn and address the national strategy which should in place and i will let you respond. let's watch. >> we need to flood the system with testing. surveillance testing, getting out there, getting into the community and finding outhe what the level and infection is in the community and doing it on a broad scale. whether you do itt in schools, doing it in colleges, doing it in factories, that's what we need to do.in >> laura: dr. grouped, i want to go to you on that. so his broad surveillance testing in schools and universities and i guess everywhere, is that really the way to proceed? >> i didn't think so. i thought that was a very inefficient use of limited resources that we have. and not only do i refer to what

we have at ourre disposal but ao i'm talking about how much we should invest in that process. because what we really want to do is protect the vulnerable. so it makes every bit of sense to me that we i would take those resources and use them to develop smart strategies to protect the vulnerable. and what's interesting here is by not testing those who are not vulnerable and allowing them to carry on with their lives which testing frankly impedes, you actually allow that population to build up the level of immunity which in turn protects the vulnerable. so it's kind of a win-win. don't test them, let them live their lives and let them build up the immunity that will eventually protect the vulnerable.ld >> laura: doctor, today it was all day long. i heard an individual after individual, many of the medical

professionals scoffing at this idea of herd immunity. or reaching a level of immunity that means that generally you can open up everything and go on with life as we had it before, even understanding the danger of the virus. what about that, and the swedish experiment that everyone ridiculed, even president trump was kind of pooh-poohing sweden early on. >> herd immunity exists. many infections and viruses and pathogens are controlled in the population by herd immunity. even if you have a vaccine, it still herd immunity that protects people against the virus or the pathogens. denying herd immunity is like denying biology, it's not right. the question is, how do you safely get there?

the focus lockdown strategy that we are focusing will get us there and less damage to other aspects of public health, and that's basic facts about brower comic biology. with his folks detection, you protect the vulnerable, quickly build up immunity and the rest of the population and that will save lives. one very important thing, the lockdown itself does not cost less, people have delayed cancer treatment, they've delayed going to the doctor because of severe heart disease. parents have not vaccinated their children. there will be an increase of breast cancer rates and prostate cancer rates because basicic

screening hasn't been done. i think the lockdown costs even in the short intermediate term have larger and longer healthee consequences for the population then s a focused protection pla. both will reduce covid deaths and also address many, many other public health foci that we just ignored. >> laura: but that's essentially what the administration has been doing. that is because the states to open up. new york, new jersey, california and some other states in new england extended their severe covid restrictions. some of them are going back into rolling more targeted lockdowns but, to what end? like what is new york going to achieve by beginning to close down sectors of the economy again?

>> different states go through different strategies here. and what new york has been doing is protect low risk students and lower risk professionals who can work from home while people have to work. so if the working class, the workingho class, both -- but alo the other consequences of the lockdown and public health. also the school closing, rich parents were middle-class parents, but the working class children, they don't have those options. they are the ones who are suffering the most.

>> the president thought it was very important to be on camera tonight after coming home to the white house from walter reed and he recorded this video. >> president trump: i learned so much about coronavirus, one thing is so certain. don't let it dominate you. don't be afraid of it. you have the best medical equipment, the best medicines, all developed recently and you are going to beat it. >> laura:eq it's of the president comes out and speaks and people went nuts. like how dare he. he is a vector of the disease, he's super spreading throughout the white house. how dare he be optimistic. how did he look and what about the overall message? >> that's exactly what i learned about public health, what you are supposed to do.

you are not supposed to slow panic, you are supposed to reassure her and accurate information about risks and trust people to make good judgments on their own behalf. the president did that i think tonight, don't you think? i think, obviously he has a real spirit to him. but i think that message is right. it is accurate and consistent with thes data, that covid is nt a death sentence and i think we have created this idea in the public mind that it is something so unique and so deadly that we should utterly and all normal existence as a result of it. but we could have a much better way. shield them for a short period of time, for the rest of the world,rt let us live our lives. and for folks who are

vulnerable, you know, if your life is meaningful, you have to balance risking everything you do in your life. >> laura: doctors, all of you. i'm in awe of your expertise ane your courage in speaking out. and all that you've published over the years because i have actually read a lot in the last six months. you are all brilliant, much smarter than most politicians. thank you so much for joining us. coming up, how president trump's covid response saved the country from economic ruin and how biden's planus will destroy it. white house covid advisor dr. scott atlas is up next, stay there.

♪ >> live from america's headquarters, i'm ashley strohmeyer. the president says the delivery of the coronavirus vaccine could begin as early as next week. 's comments come ahead of september 10th meeting where

regulators of the food and drug administration will reveal pfizer's request for an emergency's authorization for its vaccine. the latest right trial data shows a vaccine is 90% effective. and trump says his administration made it happen. listen. the vaccines were me, and i've pushed people harder than i've ever push them before. we got that approved through and through and nobody has ever seen anything like it. >> front-line workers, medical personnel and seniors will be first in line to give the vaccine. so far, nearly 13 million americans who contracted covid-19 of more than 263,000 of them have died. i'm ashley strohmeyer and now back to our "the ingraham angle" special. ♪ >> laura: a trump or biden economy, that's a focus of tonight's angle. the world health organization has finally confirmed what we at "the ingraham angle" have been telling you for months, that covid to lockdowns are horribly disruptive especially to the

poor. now in light of this, it's time for another reality check and realize how fortunate we are thatno trump was in charge of before, during and after the pandemicic hit. the politicized expert class has been wrong more than right and president trump was smart enough to follow his own america first instincts instead of their america last default. if the pro biden media toadies, if they think that the angle is going to let them get off the hook for their idiocy, think again. because it's flashback time. >> if we can show this graph of the united states versus the union -- >> europe has suppress the virus and we have not. >> europe crush the curve to where it's well below the u.s. and stable. >> laura: what that stability didn't last long. u.s. nations entered a lengthy lockdown and now they are experiencing a massive surge of covid cases and even deaths.

while we are steadily improving, we have been since about july. the only thing europe crushed was its economy. the imf new gdp loss per projections of vindicate trump's story and as you can see the u.s. beats every other seven g7. nation in managing the covid fallout. had we listened to two team biden we would look like the u.k., france or italy, totally disasters. look at those numbers. the eurozone has lost a whopping 8.3%. had we followed their lead our economy would have lost -- we did the calculations today, i want about $1.6 trillion instead of the 815 billion hit that we did take. it wasn't pleasant but trump's reaction, his policies saved us a $770 billion loss. that's more than the gdp of

ohio. that's like taking ohio out of our country for a year. okay, but whato about the futu? under trump, it's so bright, as the song goes, you have to wear shades. third-quarter growth will be record-setting. annually i think it's about 32% and it would have been even higher if the petty tyrants running the blue states weren't dragging their feet on reopening their economies. hello california. now according to the spectator, 14 out of the 16 top strongest economic recoveries are occurring in republican-led states with conservative policies. and that's with 12 out of 16 of the weakest recoveries which are returning and democratic lead states. of course. now why doesn't the press asked biden about this? because they are acting as his constantine, that's why. biden has no answer for any of this, god bless him. there is no answer for any of this and he's losing it.

this will lead us to financial ruin, people. he will punish success and reward failure. now the most persuasive case that donald trump and his surrogates can make for his reelection, it's the economic on it. and he did this. he nailed this tonight in pennsylvania. >> president trump: my first three years in office family income increased by $6,000, mort than five times the gains in all eight years of the obama administration. after a tax cut took effect, wages for the lowest income americans grew twice as fast as those near the top. african-american income grew nine. not to come not three, nine

times more. and thesee are out of the book. >> laura: and the crowd was wild. because this is success, you cannot debate it. just that jobs increase in wages, that drove every voter in america to support him. and what is a biden'sag answer o all this? >> gallup reported last week 56% of americans said they were better off today than they were four years ago. so why should people who feel that they are better off today under the trump administration vote for you? >> if they don't, they probably shouldn't. or they are memory is good, quite frankly. on nearly every key, economic and covidid issue, donald trump has been proven correct and biden proven wrong. biden by the way never learned, just mumbles bromide's about unity and dignity and his handlers meanwhile plot to tear

down what we love and to rob you of everything you have worked so hard for. i was thinking about this today. i know this. i know a lot of people feel this way. they feel like trump is a bully. they are tough around the edgesf rough around the edges. the mueller investigation, the clintons, judge soros, a phony impeachment, big tech billionaires and medical experts acting as political assassins. woke celebrities and sports and hollywood, academia and of course, a dishonest far left hateful press. and for real bullies there will

be people like gretchen whitmer or andrew cuomo or they will perhaps be running at biden doj, department of education and dhs. if biden wins that you will not only be pining for the good old days of record-setting wage growth but for the fighter who against all odds achieved great things for america. and that is the angle. when biden says he's going to listen to the doctor is, it's not just dr. fauci, he also means epidemiologist michael osterholm who coauthored a piece several weeks ago urging that we "commit to a more restrictive lockdown." well, dr. osterholm is slip widely expected to be out candidate for a top job in the biden administration. he genuinely seems to despise red state america where people have just decided, you know, we understand the risk but we have

to move on with their lives. well, i hate to say i told you so but, i told you so. that's by newly minted covid advisor dr. michael osterholm. >> we need to in a sense lockdown and drive down this infection level to a place we can actually control it with testing and tracing and follow up this way just like the asian countries have done. we talk about everything from australia to new zealand right up to china and japan come all those countries have done it already. >> laura: he's actually, joining me now is a white house advisor dr. scott outlets. you the litany. he's saying australia did it right, people having ptsd when

they went back out in public for the first time. this is where we are going back to even with the vaccine being available for distribution in april apparently. >> hey, laura. thanks for having me. for someone who would say. that they are denying the data that exists on all the places that did lockdown because the fact is, the lockdown does not get rid of the virus. the lockdown does kill people, and cancer diagnosis and medical care, all those things happen with the lockdown. then when you open up the virus comes back and we see this all over europe and we see it in plenty of the states that have various levels of lockdown. somewhere that doesn't know the science or understand the science, it's a lying, one of those three. >> laura: i want to talk about dr. fauci for a moment. it's just like a few weeks ago

when dr. fauci was pretty negative about the future and we are not going to be a normal country for years. but today, he is so upbeat. let's watch the transition. >> if we get a vaccination campaign and by the second or third quarter of 2021, i think it will be easily, that's a sense of what is abnormality. i would think in the first four months, i would say by april you are able to be vaccinating. i would say by april you will be able to get vaccinated. >> laura: who knew dr. atlas was such an optimist? is it just the vaccine news or did something change there? >> may be -- said we wouldn't -- he is cheered up because of

the election. but he said we wouldn't have any kind of vaccine data even though, we have results hopefully in october for sure and hopefully in november. and of course the data was chosen to not be shown by pfizer in october, they just decided not to look ataten the data. until after the election and then lo and behold the vaccination is effective. they's all negative and all to undermine what the reality is of the timelines, all to undermine the president. i think once you do that sort of thing and make yourself a political animal basically you lose your credibility. after the fact, you look at the data and you make the science. >> laura: he became a political pundit for joe biden. as of biden pushes the never ending lockdowns, we will hear someone who lived through australia's t nightmare.

>> this is one of the countries

>> >> this is one of the countries that's done quite well. i'd like to say the same for the united states but the numbers

speak for themselves and we are essentially still going on it day-by-day basis going worse and worse. f >> laura: it well, what would that mean? i thought so he is doing quite well, then dr. fauci wants us to be more like australia. the covid outbreak in australia has been relatively mild and their containment efforts turned a once free country into a dystopian nightmare in places. just look what happened in the country's second largest city of melbourne. for 111 days, okay. do the math. most businesses were closed, hundreds of thousands lost their jobs and people were forced to stay in their homes except to go buy food or go to work. the government even put limits on how much time people could spend for outdoor exercise. and even though the lockdown was technically lifted yesterday, residents are still prohibited from going outside the city

limits. joining me now live from melbourne is someone who is living in the situation, gideon rosner, director of policy at theiv institute of public affai. gideon, thank you for joining us during your interesting time there. some might say that a relatively low count of active cases proves thatat everything you did for months and months and months of lockdown worked. what's the response? >> my response is australia was very lucky that we had a very mild onslaught of the coronavirus, but anthony fauci himself has admitted that we do not have porous borders, and that's mostly an advantage of the coronavirus. what's different about melbourne is that our government's stopped up our quarantine system and we have endured a 111 day lockdown.

businessesra have been shut forever and we've seen old lady is getting kicked off of park benches. a woman was arrested, a pregnant woman was arrested outside of melbourne foror making a facebok post about an anti-lockdown protest. despite that they've allowed black lives matter's protest to go ahead with no worries. we are living proof right now because of incursion into our liberties and livelihoods and we'd ever seen on australian soil. americans want that, by all means, but as far as i can tell donald trump is the only thing standing between americans in that situation. b he's talking about keeping things open. >> laura: i think he saying

that because he sees it's increasingly unpopular. in the midwest where i am right now in minnesota, i just saw thousands of people, they don't want any more lockdowns. they want to wash their hands and if they want to wear masks they will wear a mask but they do not want restrictions on theirr freedom. and i have to tell you, this medical expert on another cable outlet, msnbc, said this last night. watch. >> and australia they've been effectively controlling their pandemic.ng and controlling it without a vaccine. what have they done? they followed the standard rulebook for public health. they identified people infected, isolated them, and quarantine for some time. we can do that in america.n >> laura: gideon, what's your message to that economic establishment? he is kind of the poster child

pushing this nonsense. >> i canceled the american medical association, but a bloke who makes anthony fauci look like albert einstein, we've given him completely control and as a result, as i said it, seen an enormous coups for freedoms, and being put on antidepressants, i have here in my work permit. my work permit thatei until recently i was forced to carry case i was checked by the police in the street to present my papers, that b i was allowed toe outside my own home. if i couldn't do that i could have been fined up to 7,000 u.s. dollars. the medical establishment always says that they don't govern the states of america. the people do. >> laura: a lot of people like

lockdowns. unless they say no to lockdowns and bowed out these people including mr. andrews in both these people, you will keep getting the same thing in thean united states. thank you for telling these stories. it is terrifying. final thoughts this thanksgiving when we return. ..

♪ 's >> laura: is easy during what was a pretty difficult year for so many across this country- really across the world -- to forget your blessings, but we all have so many, and don't forget those moments. the small moments make up your day that you might kind of roll through and not think about, but they might be really important to others around you, especially your family, so savor those moments. remember, always tune into

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