>> ♪ ♪ pete: well you can wear your hat , scarf, have your cooking with friends apron, look at these female yoga pants. well get it at the fox news shop , everybody, have a great saturday, everybody. david: well despite the lock downs are things starting to look up? investors seeing records in the markets, retailers expecting rodriguez holiday sales and president trump promising a vaccine is coming in record time now just days away. welcome, everyone. i'm david asman in for neil cavuto and this is cavuto live, to david spunt at the white house. >> david good morning to you this is just tremendous news here we're just a couple of weeks away think about it two weeks from today people will start getting that first dose of the coronavirus covid-19 vaccine , that is if the fda

grants it emergency use authorization. the panel is meeting one week from this coming thursday. that's going to be on december 10 and then about 24 hours after that, the vaccine will go first probably to healthcare workers and then begin to broaden out to the larger population, if it's approved. we hope it is, the chief scientific advisor to operation warp speed says that they will be able to ship those first vaccine to immunization sites within about 24 hours of that approval. now speaking, david, of shipping vaccines our corporate cousins the wall street journal reporting that you nighted airlines will fly chartered planes between brussels, belgium , and chicago o'hare, the airline will carry five times the amount of dry ice normally permitted on board to keep that vaccine cool, has to be at a certain cold temperature on the plane, on thursday, president trump welcomed this news. listen. president trump: it'll hit the frontline workers and senior s and doctors, nurses, a

lot of people are going to start and we're going very quickly, two companies already announced the third one coming up and a fourth and fifth one coming up soon also. >> that being said it's still several months according to healthcare experts before the majority of americans get vaccinated. it's still going to be a difficult few months for many people heading into the winter of course with flu season so the advice from people including dr. fauci with nih continue to wear that mask. david: but extraordinary progress on warp speed really unbelievable. joe biden thank you, david, joe biden meanwhile expected to announce his economic team wednesday as we see record after record on wall street, so what will his administration mean for investors and taxpayers? with me now is former trump economic advisor steve moore, democrat strategist kelly heiman , cpa and market analyst dan geltrude and erin gi bbs. good to see you all happy saturday. kelly first to you, what are the first economic policies that are going to be rolled out by

the biden administration? >> well, first off thank you so much for having me on the show. hope you had a nice thanksgiving and your family is well and all of the viewers as well. i think people are struggling personally, professionally, financially and economically, and so it's important to get people back on their feet to get some kind of stimulus going to help people move forward and also to help them financially. i think that's key. david: but specifically, kelly, i want to stick with you. what kind of policy are we going to see tax hikes, what are we going to see specifically from the biden administration first off? >> right, well biden has said, i made it clear, that if you make under $400,000, you're not going to get a tax increase, and so he's in regards to taxes, he is going to trump adminitration increase the taxes that have to be paid not by the corporations, i'm sorry i misspoke.

he basically, trump made sure that the corporations pay the left and so biden is going to increase that so the corporations are held accountable and pay that as well david: okay. >> as you know in the house there's a bill sitting for months to help people with the stimulus package get on their feet and hopefully that passes in the senate. david: steve moore, in the last administration, run by democrats , obama-biden administration, we're in a deep recession that one of the first coming out of the deep recession, we had tax increases on corporations, and wealthy individuals. a lot of people said that led to one of the slowest economic recoveries in history. we had under the annual average economic growth, under under the obama administration was 1.6 %, very anemic, 1.9% finally in the last three months but even that was pretty low by the standards before covid. >> well you're exactly right and that's covered in my book, by the way, david, trumpenomics,

where we took over in 2017 the economy was pretty anemic and it was pretty slow growth but you led with the most -important point, david at the beginning of the show. the economy is really taking off like a rocket ship. nobody expected this , none of the economists thought that we could have this kind of very high growth, we're seeing continued good numbers on the employment front, you know, we've had something like 12 or 13 million additional workers in the last five months which is a recovery swifter than anyone we've ever seen. look, i totally disagree with this kind of con census on the left that we need another two or $3 trillion stimulus bill. david, write this down. the stimulus is the vaccine. the vaccine will do so much more to get people back on-the-job, to get businesses running. we don't need another $2 trillion stimulus bill and we don't need expanded unemployment benefits that pay people more not to work than to work.

what trump is doing is working and we don't need $2 trillion more debt. david: well, erin investors don't seem to care much about any of these policies because they just keep roaring straight ahead whether it's virus concerns or concerns about economic policy from the new administration. we had nasdac hit another high on friday, volatility has come down, which means that you don't have these big up and downswings like you have when the markets are worried so why are investors so calm during all of this? >> well one thing, the markets are always looking, let's say six to nine months ahead. so we know that we have another six months of really strain on the economy, with the record high unemployment and so on and so they're really looking at the second half of 2021 and assuming that the vaccine is going to be well-disbursed and we're back normal and looking at record recovery growth rates anywhere

from 20 to 60% for small businesses, so that's what's really driving the market is looking farther ahead. they sort of have given up on 2020 looking into 2021. david: you know, i'm wondering, dan, investors and particularly tax advisors are always advising wealthy people when they are in fear of their taxes going up, how to avoid taxes so we know it happens. everywhere in the world that happens, whether it's a wets tax or a higher corporate tax or whatever. are strategists now developing strategies for their wealthy people, small business owners, even the big corporations, to avoid higher taxes? >> yeah, there's no doubt about that, david, because the only thing between us and significant tax hikes is a republican senate and we don't know how that's going to turn out in georgia, so tax advisors, tax strategists are sitting down with their clients at this point with a

plan b and saying okay, what do we do? part of that is is relocating within the country, because of the structure of the various states, but the other thing to think about is do you want to trigger some gains this year because capital gains will be going up in 2021 should biden get his way, so you may want to take some gains off the table. you may want to do some gifting, that's for sure, because the state taxes are going to go up and as far as small businesses, because of what joe biden is talking about related to payroll taxes, many small businesses are going to move from llc to s-corporations to try to get around that payroll tax hike. david: well kelly, there have been a lot of reports that even if the democrats don't take both of the senate races in georgia, which means you'd have a republican majority maintained in the senate, there still might be things, rule changes, that the new administration could

make to tweek our tax laws so that even without the senate passing tax hikes, there would still be effective tax hikes going into place. >> well i think we have to actually wait and see what happens, and as i said before, biden has said if you make $400,000 or less, he is not going to increase people's taxes david: right but kelly, you know that there are a lot of small businesses that make a lot more than $400,000, and they're not rich people, they put all their money back into their business. these people are driving used cars, it looks like they're rich because they are making more than $400,000, but they are small businesses and they plow all their money back into their business. >> right. absolutely and i think that's a good point but i think that that's something that biden understands, and wants to help the american people, and so i think that's important. that's why also, look about the corporate tax. i mean, that's why he's increasing it. corporations should be held

accountable and take proper taxes not the hard-working american people or small business owners, and so i would definitely agree with that and i think that's something that he's going to do. david: let's hope so. steve the other kind of tax are regulations and we saw this incredible deregulation process under the trump adminitration over the last four years, we're going through some of the literally hundreds of deregulations that really helped steer this economy. i mean, the jobs market, in this economy, before covid, was extraordinary. i've never seen in my lifetime a period when you had more jobs than you had job seekers. that's how strong it was and a lot of it had to do with deregulations and those deregulations might be reversed by the new administration, right? >> well that's right. let me just say a word about the tax bill because as you know , david, i had a small hand in helping put together that 2017 tax cut and by the way the average family gained $2,000 in tax cuts so if you repeal that tax cut it's not just people over $400,000 who are going to get the tax increase

but virtually every family, but even if it were just the corporations and people makeover 400,000, you know, one of the things that happened when we did that tax cut and we reduced the tax on american corporations and american businesses is we made them more productive and all of a sudden, david, you reported this. $1 trillion, $1 trillion from the rest of the world came to the united states and got it invested here. it's one of the reasons that we had the big jobs boom and we got the unemployment rate down to less than 4%, something nobody thought was possible, so i get frustrated when people say well we have this successful policy and now we want reverse it and the same thing goes, david, with the regulation front the area that i'm most worried about, david, is the energy sector. we are the number one producer of oil & gas in the world and its been a game changer for the american economy, millions of americans are employ ed by that industry and you know, president joe biden

wouldn't have to out law fracking. he would just strangle that industry through regulation. david: all right although he says he doesn't want to move on that front except on public lands, we'll see how that works out. thank you, gang. good to see you we'll see more of you coming up in the next hour meanwhile the supreme court cracking down on democrat governor andrew cuomo's virus limits in new york state, specifically on his limitations and houses of worship. is this a warning for other governors throughout the nation?

david: well new york governor andrew cuomo criticizing the supreme court's decision to block the state's restrictions on religious gatherings as it continues to fight a surge in covid-19 cases. the democrat governor calling decision "irrelevant" and nothing more than an opportunity to express the court's philosophy. joining me now is father gerald

murray pastoralism of holy family catholic church in new york city and also a lawyer for the church father murray great to see you thanks for coming in on this saturday. i want to read to you what justice gorsuch said about the decisions and decisions be made like it about governor cuomo all over the country. justice said it is time, passed time that while the pandemic poses many grave challenges there is no world in which the constitution tolerates color -coded executives that reopen liquor stores and bike shops but shutter churches, synagogues and mosques. now our right-to-worship is the first right protected by the first amendment. does the governor think he's more powerful than that? >> well he has and that's why the diocese of brooklyn had to go to the supreme court to try and get relief, which thank god, five justices voted on the side

of the constitution. it's amazing that governors decide what's essential in the lives of the citizens. religion is part of the foundation of this country as you know, david. we just celebrated thanksgiving the pilgrims came over seeking religious freedom and then they extended to the indians and enhanced a friendship and great celebratory meal to thank god so the idea that the liquor store is open, the costco is open, the church is closed, i mean, their rule would have been st. patrick's cathedral can have 10 people if it's in the red zone, and what are they talking about? you've been to st. patrick's david. you can fit 2,000 people in there, only 10? david: and yet people are shoulder-to-shoulder at the liquor stores or the walmart or wherever, where it's open. it does seem, maybe i'm being paranoid, but it does seem this was a specific attack, if you will, against religious

institutions. >> well, you know, it shows a hostility to the religious practice of the american people and that's of all religions and this is completely against what this country is about. i'm glad the supreme court reign ed them in but i'm disappointed that governor cuomo would say that the court was expressing a philosophy and a political view, no. the court was expressing a constitutional right that is foundational to our country and thank god it is. david: the first right and the first amendment, i mean, it isn't coincidence, i think, that the founders put that before all the other rights protected by the first amendment. >> absolutely right, and you know, sometimes i get nervous that people who think religion is an obstacle to their political success try to suppress it in different ways. i mean, this is not how we should, people who aren't religious, fine i hope they become such but please don't interfere with everyone else's rights and ability to worship

god. david: and by the way you're a roman catholic priest this is not a catholic issue this is a non--denominated it immigration all suit brought against the governor and his edicts, right? there were other religions involved. >> absolutely this rule applied to all houses of worship and we have to be very careful they talk about scrutiny and constitutional decisions. why is it that houses of worship are singled out but other areas of gathering are not? we should not look at religion as a source of problems to society and we should not regulate it more strictly than we do home depot or costco, and i think the average citizen is very happy to see their neighbor freely go to church even if they don't, but on the other hand, we have to remember that the government is not there simply to impress their preferences. they have to uphold the constitution. david: forgive me, father, but we had a confluence of events

that really hurt our economy and our culture, not just covid but also these riots that took place all over the country, which focused on this cancel culture attitude. a lot of which was attacking religious institutions, in fact there were many attacks against catholic churches and other houses of worship demolitioning religious statues et cetera. do you think this had any influence at all on decisions to target churches and other houses of worship before they do liquor stores? >> well, you know, cultural trends are usually what trendy politicians hook on to and people on the left who want to please the rioters in the streets and give them whatever they want would say oh, yeah, you know churches, synagogues and mosques they are suspicious places where people can get sick more readily than if they are at a liquor store or a bike shop. justice gorsuch had it right. we should not ever create an era

where governor by a mere edict can get rid of a constitutional right and certainly a tax on religion are unwell comed, wrong, illegal and they should not become a source of some kind of cultural wave that is used by governors to gain favor. david: we only have about 15 seconds, but are you disappointed the decision was so close and it was a 5-4 decision, because of justice barret who made the deciding vote, the new justice. >> i'm always disappointed when something that is clearly a constitutional right is disregarded by some of the supreme court justices. i don't understand why they think the law doesn't apply according to other constitution is written and that's very disappointing. david: father gary murray thank you so much for being here appreciate it. students under crushing debt now joe biden's under pressure to wipe it all out. that's $1.6 trillion but will that do anything to reel in

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david: you know if you go out in the streets anywhere in america these days you won't see a lot of people out shopping because of the covid restriction s, but going at home, you see a lot of this going on. people going into their iphones or theirimac or whatever they happen to be shopping with and buying stuff online. this is a sign of the times. time square be shoulder-to-shoulder in the weekend after thanksgiving and any other year because of the covid restrictions look at it now. it's very very sparsely-plated, but online shopping was so busy this year, there was a 22% increase from last year's online

shopping. that's huge, and that's a record $9 billion for black friday alone, so we will be following those sales figures but a huge increase in online shopping, not surprising considering the lockdowns and how much everybody is shopping from indoors and remember, there's a record number of savings burning a hole in the pockets of a lot of consumers out there. they are allowing some of that money to get out through online sales i just bought a tv yesterday so i was part of it all. moving on new york democrat congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez calling on her colleagues to pressure joe biden to wipe out student loan debt of $1.6 trillion worth through an executive order, but is that possible? and would that just push tuition rates even higher than they are? to former republican presidential candidate and current forbes media chairman, my good friend steve forbes. steve great to see you thank you for being here. happy thanksgiving day weekend. i want to talk about the fairness issue of wiping out

school debt first, because it's something that democrats usually scream about is fairness fairness fairness, but liz warren when she was on a campaign trail back in january she went to iowa confronted by a working class american about the issue of school debt. take a listen and i want to get your reaction. >> my daughter's getting out of school, i saved all of my money. am i going to get my money back? you're going to pay for people who didn't save any money, and those of us who did the right thing get screwed? of course we did, my buddy and his son bought a car and went on vacations and i saved my money and he made more than i did and i worked a double shift, so you're laughing at me. we did the right thing and we get screwed. >> i appreciate the feed bam. david: wow, that a lot of people think that might have cost her the nomination, steve, but the fact that this guy and

millions of other americans work their fingers to the bone, double shift, saving paying off their kid's school debt and he says am i going to get my money back? there's a fairness issue there. >> yes, there is david and it makes people who paid their debts, took their obligation seriously look like fools, and if they have this debt forgiveness of any kind of scale , you're going to have people wondering why should i pay those obligations and take those extra jobs and why should i sacrifice a private university to go to an in-state university to save money, and honor my obligations. so you make a mockery of people who played by the rules and this gets to the big issue which is why are college tuitions ris ing at four times the rate of inflation the sticker price? why are they rising eight times the cash wages of working americans? it's because the universities are full of bureaucratic obesity the very government programs have shown, david that are supposedly helping students instead lead to higher tuitions and the university gets the money, they add

administrative costs and the students get stuck and their families get stuck with debt and in some cases rents but with higher debts, so the universities get the money and the students are left holding the bag so you got to stop that corrupt gravy train of more and more money going to universities and students getting stuck with the debt. david: the wall street journal says the government subsidizes debt, colleges raise their prices, students are told to get more degrees so you have credential inflation kicking in and taxpayers eat the losses and do they got it right? >> they do indeed. they are 255 million adults in this country, david, 45 million have student debt, 210 million do not. why should those 210 million be subsidizing the other 45 million it's not right, so they got to get to what the democrats love to cause the root cause, the root cause of the problem is bureaucratic blout, obesity in the universities and they get more and more money, more and more administrative costs not so much for the classrooms and students and the taxpayers

get left holding these obligations. not right. david: you know a lot of people say everything depends on the georgia election, if in fact the runoff coming in january, if the democrats don't take both of those seats, both of those senate seats it's unlikely that the biden administration will get any of this passed through a republican senate; however, president obama did a lot in this direction in terms of forgiving debt by just changing the rules. under obama's rule change borrowers who couldn't afford their monthly payments merely had to agree to make 10% of their discretionary income for 20 years, over a 20 year period, 10 years by the way if you had public service. it's all kind of wiggle room and 56% of all loans issued to graduate students are now being repaid this way so by more rule changes, biden could essentially do the same thing that obama did , which is a form of debt relief. >> that be challenged in the

court, but you hit a good point. there are already programs in place to help people pay these debts back, taking a percentage of income and so you don't get crushed by it and after 20- 25 years in some cases the remaining principal is forgiven, only 43% of graduates are aware of these programs so they could take advantage of those , but they got to get to the really root cause of it and as you know, david, purdue university, run by mitch daniels , has not raised tuition for almost eight years, and a tune university, they have increased the number of tenured professors focus on real administrative management, and that way, the students don't get stuck with these debts, and they've also got some very innovative programs to help students cope with the low tuitions they already have, and so why can't the rest of the country follow the example of purdue university? david: why can't harvard and yale and others with billion dollar endowments have free tuition? that's another question for another day. steve forbes great to see you thank you for coming in

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david: with the holiday season now in full swing, optimism is rising at multiple covid-19 vaccines could be coming very soon. president trump saying they could be available as early as next week, so how long before you, at home, get access to one

of these treatments joining me now is john hopkins university of medicine's dr. anita gupta. wonderful to see you thank you for coming here. now just by pfizer and mederna alone there are going to be 40 million doses available before the end of the year. that's what the warp speed people are telling us. if so, that's an extraordinary history of quick development of a vaccine, is it not? >> absolutely, and, you know, look. these vaccines are offering significant, significant hope for the nation, but what we have to remember that a vaccine doesn't save lives. you know, vaccinations do, and there's so much work that has to be done right now. we still have a long way to go to turn this vaccine around, and we have to build trust. pfizer, mederna astrazeneca and

oxford vaccines significantly have been a rigourous vaccination effort but there are efforts and needed to build trust as our significant vaccine hesitancy that exists right now, and i think that speaks to a lot of questions in society, so we will get there. we will get there. david: one of the , you know there's no good time for a pandemic but there's no worse time for a pandemic than during a presidential political campaign, and of course, all the political doubt that was focused from one side or the other about what happens if one side gets a vaccine, can't we put that all aside now? shouldn't there be a rule, some rule that you cannot use, i was bad enough that it was used as a political weapon in the campaign , but now, of all-times, i mean, it's time to put that aside and everybody get together and say you've got to get your vaccine shot. >> yes, i think so. i think so, and look, people will put it aside eventually and

what is important to remember that 50% of people in the united states feel that they're not quite sure, you know, if they will take a vaccine, individuals right now have to remember that vaccines can mitigate this disease, and 65% of the population does need to be vaccinated in order to prevent outbreaks, so no vaccine can prevent anybody from becoming ill. if half the population isn't on board so we still have to go a long way, david and that's the message that needs to get out there in the public that vaccinations can be effective, if we can get them to the people but that vaccination strategy, here in the next few weeks, it needs to build trust, and we'll get there in due time. david: well it's going to take an effort. i have a lot of anti-vaccers that i know or people in my family, i'm not personally but somehow we have to get the message off.

a lot of people are weary of science right now and that's because science is a new virus, the covid virus it's called a virus for a reason because it is new so people keep changing their minds on what's right on masks, what's wrong on lockdowns , et cetera, but there are certain ways in which politicians are defying the science and one of those are on school closing. politicians coming out and saying that they have to close the schools because of outbreak. is there any evidence, i've not seen any scientific study, suggesting that school openings hasten infections of covid. have you? >> no, not at this point. i mean, what we do know is that there are a lot of parents that are nervous, and i think that that raises the question, you know, of whether or not we'll we doing clinical trials robust ly in children with these vaccinations and this is yet to be determined. i think a lot of parents want to know what the data will look like and whether or not how that distribution will occur in children.

i'm a parent too and certainly these questions are going to come up in the next few months and i know many of the companies , pfizer, mederna astrazeneca will be looking at how they do these clinical trials in children and certainly looking for that information in the next few months. david: i have to tell you of course everything is anecdotal but i see far more parents that are upset at school closing than are concerned about their kids getting covid at school. >> right, right, i mean, i am. many parents want their kid back in school because of the issues about socialization, particularly inflations that are underserved and the issue about digital, the digital divide, access to computers and equity, these are concerns for everyone right now, and certainly, we want the best for our children. david: we do indeed. dr. gupta, great to see you thank you for your work we appreciate it. >> thank you. david: appreciate you coming in as well. in the next hour a plan to pay

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s, and that is why we're beginning to see president trump get involved. the president says he is in contact with both republican senators david perdue and kelly loeffler and is hoping to give the incumbents a boost when he campaigns for them in georgia next saturday. on friday, in a tweet, the president continued his false claims that the presidential election was rigged against him in georgia while using his, urging rather, his supporters not to boycott the january 5 runoff election both democratic candidates john osoff and reverend raphael warnock are running highly- competitive campaigns against their republican components and with control of the senate at stake both parties are picking up their ground game with plans to knock-on hundreds of thousands of doors to get out to vote. >> what we have in georgia is a huge advantage in our ground game. the work that has been done over the last 10 years to register voters and build infrastructure and organize capacity, volunteer recruitment, we are putting all

of that to work. >> this will be a presidential level ground game in georgia it already is. we will add over 1,000 direct employees doing nothing but making sure we get our vote out but we've already proven that in georgia is not turning blue yet. >> and republicans can only hope president trump says he plans on holding a campaign- style rally when he campaigns here next saturday. details about that are unclear at the moment, david? david: in atlanta charles watson thank you very much, pleased for that report. meanwhile a top iranian scientist has been killed on friday in an apparent ambush attack and now iran is casting blame on israel. what the u.s. is doing in response to it all, that's next. this is andy, my schwab financial consultant.

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david: well, if you thought that the anti-police riots that we saw here in the spring were limited to the united states, you're darn wrong. i mean, all over europe, you're seeing riots like what you're looking at in paris right now whereas many as 90,000 protester s from all around the country have descended on to paris shutting down all of the tourist attractions from the eiffel tower and these riots are creating tremendous problem for the city of paris and of course already as the rest of the world reeling from covid problems. they're chanting "police everywhere, justice nowhere" again it sounds very similar to what we saw here in the spring. we wish them the best. meanwhile the pentagon deploying the aircraft carrier uss nimits to the middle east region at a time when iran is accusing israel of assassinating its top nuclear scientist so why should we watch

these rising tensions closely we'll ask retired air fort lt. general david deptula. good to see you general thanks for being here. first of all who was this guy and how important was he to the nuclear arms race in iran? >> well, david, this person was iran's top nuclear scientist. he was essentially iran's version of robert oppenheimer who is the father of the first u.s. atopic bomb and he was running their covert effort to develop nuclear weapon s. david: now he's been in israel sites for a while it was 2018 when prime minister benjamin netanyahu brought out a picture of the guy and said remember his name, i mean, that was pretty much of a blatant threat to the guy, and then last week, he had a very interesting meeting between our secretary of state pompeo in israel with the prime minister and also the head of mosad, that's their intelligence service. i be shocked if something about

this was not discussed there. >> well, i tell you, david, i prefer not to speculate on who did it as there are as many possibilities as there are nations threatened by iran's nuclear weapons aspirations, so, it's a little bit dicey to do that and the point is it's not who did it but the fact of the matter is this action will certainly be a setback to iran's nuclear weapons development program, but unfortunately, it won't stop it as there's a cadre of nuclear scientists in iran but it'll certainly slow down the program and put those in its development on notice. david: well you can't get inside other people's heads, you're quite right not to speculate on that. on the other hand you don't have to be a scientist to understand people in the united states with this administration, the trump adminitration, people in israel,

with the benjamin netanyahu administration are worried, concerned about a return to an iranian deal that many people thought was an appeasement of the iranians rather than really a pushback against their nuclear deployment and capabilities. >> yeah, i think it's also important to remember that as different as president trump 's approach was from obamas and will be from bidens, their goals were essentially the same and that's iran without nuclear weapons but you're right. this event could have implications for the incoming biden administration as it might lessen the likelihood of negotiating a restoration of the joint comprehensive plan of action or jcpoa deal, or toughening its terms. regardless, though, i think iran should not think that dealing with biden will be all smooth sailing. david: well, let's hope there's pushback, because appeasement with a regime like iran gets you know where, on the other hand, what i'm concerned about also

are these historic abraham accords between arab nations and israel without the palestinian authority as a blocking middle man, which they often did. these accords, i think, a lot of the accord had to do with the fact that we got rid of the iran deal, which scared the heck out of a lot of arab states who view iran as their biggest enemy and that's what brought them to the table, to deal with israel. if we go back to the iranian deals does that endanger the abraham accords between arab states and israel? >> well i think you make an excellent point which gets back to my, you know, there's a lot of people here who in the states and the region and in people who don't want to see iran equipped with nuclear weapons so the real key here is iran in negotiating to simply reinstate the jcpoa be a huge mistake, as it never dealt with the fundamental issue of iran terminating its efforts

to build nuclear weapons. i would tell you, and the audience, that it's in the best interest of iran, its people and the rest of the world for iran to shift its nuclear weapons effort to the economic development of its people and its nation and any future agreement has to have that end- state as its goal. david: well the coalition, if we're going to really consider iran as a nuclear threat, a nuclear threat to the survival not just of israel but of arab nations around israel and eventually the united states itself, we have to think in terms of alliances, and alliance s that in the past were thought to be impossible. in fact john kerry whose going to be a part of this new administration said in 2017 that we would never have an agreement between arab states and israel without the palestinian authority in the middle. he was dead wrong. we had it. we've had it with several nations. they were even trying to do it with the saudi arabians although

it's not clear that worked out but the point is we need an alliance against iran in order to prevent them from getting a nuclear bomb, right? >> you're spot on and i think the abraham accords are a step in the right direction to strengthen that kind of alliance it's also a good example of why one should never say never. the fact of the matter is we need to put together an alliance that does five things. negotiates with iran from strength, doesn't include any preset sunset clauses, puts comprehensive back into that joint comprehensive plan of action and conditions sanctions relief, not just promise it up front and then lay down clear red lines that iran cannot cross without consequences. david: general deptula great to see you thanks for coming in today i appreciate it. well, forget just banning indoor and outdoor dining. los angeles is now telling everyone to stay-at-home, lock

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>> you're looking at live shots of los angeles where a brand new stay-at-home order is going to be kicking in on monday. it comes after a ban on not only indoor, but also outdoor dining, even though the city's health department released scientific studies showing no link to dining outside and the surge in covid cases. christina coleman is live with the latest on this, hi. >> hi, david, yeah. california is launching stricter covid guidelines. as of monday people will be banned from public and private gatherings with people from outside of their home. and l.a. county residents are

advised to stay home as much as they can and to always wear a face mask that covers their nose and mouth when they're outside. it does not include faith-based services since they're constitutionally protected. but it's a limit on essential, nonessential retail, personal care like salons and libraries and businesses operating outdoors, fitness centers, museums and zoos and golf and cart racing capped at 50%. l.a. restaurants were ordered to close their outdoor dining. the california restaurant association strongly opposed the decision saying that public health officials didn't provide scientific evidence to prove outdoor dining has caused this dramatic spike in covid case ins california. many restaurant owners fear this new order will put them out of business. >> right now the closure is for three weeks, but we know that

will extend through new year's. and it will probably put me out of business forever. >> the local health officials say the new restrictions are necessary. as of yesterday the u.s. saw 17 straight days of record covid hospitalizations. the u.s. has now topped 13 million covid cases and 264,000 americans have died from this virus. here in l.a. county, the five-day average of new infections hit 4,751 yesterday. more than meeting the threshold county officials set for putting this new stay-at-home order in place and now it's set to be in place for three weeks. it's not as strict as the shutdowns were here in california back in the spring. many businesses are still allowed to stay open, however, at limited capacity. david. david: it's tough. when you hear that restaurant owner, it pulls your heart when you hear from people like him. and take a look at louisville,

kentucky. you might not think that kentucky would have similar policies of california. but that state a banning indoor dining. my next guest owns a cafe there and he says he's going to stay open despite the order. and his attorney joins us now. richard, our sympathies go to you. we hear of people putting their whole lives in their business and talking about the possibility of losing those businesses because of the lockdown. is there any case, any covid-19 case that can be traced back from one of your customers to your restaurant specifically? >> nothing that we've heard at all, david. we have not had any background, any local authority or other person about that kind of thing in our restaurant. david: so what evidence then is the government presenting to justify the lockdown?

>> that's the ironic thing about this all. you know, we have cases where there's a large case county and, but where exactly are those coming from? our restaurants, the result of these. you know, and so some of the arbitrariness of the rules that are going and being put in place on small business owners like myself are -- we don't see with are those-- where the data is to support those decisions. >> so, chris, to whom are you making your case? >> well, you know, i think the-- my guess is there's enforcement options that we made and looking at a criminal prosecution if that's what they-- >> criminal? >> that's unfortunate, they've yanked his food permit. if it goes there there will ab jury trial, a group of citizens from the community and you know, my intention would be to put the governor's orders on trial. david: but, chris, you know that trials -- we are a country

that brags of speedy justice, but sometimes these things can drag on for months. i'm just thinking, richard, it's either way, you're going to get stabbed because either you shut down and you lose money in your business or you go to court and it could drag on for court and you'd also lose your business. >> right. those jobs are important, they're vital. this is the time of year when my employees and they need that work and in order to continue to operate in a safe hygienic environment, you know, we need to remain open and where are we going past that? you know, once -- i just listened to your report about l.a. county. well, you know, to move our patrons from the inside, sanitary dining room, that's licensed and inspected into an outdoor area, and then, what happens to the outdoor area? is that going to be the next thing that's closed? and so, it just seems to be a

matter of time before small businesses are just affected more and more and made to submit to these orders that just seem arbitrary. >> yeah, and a lot of-- particularly when you have the l.a. health department quoting a study in support of outdoor restaurants that denies there's a connection between outdoor dining and any covid outbreak. let me tell you you have a powerful, sympathetic ear listening to your problem and that's president trump. he tweeted out the restaurant business is being absolutely decimated. congress should step up and help time is of the essence. is the problem congress in the providing enough help or not letting you do your business? >> you know, i think that we have enough data. we've gone far enough down this trail this year that people are able to make their own decisions. you know, if they want to come and they want to step into an

airplane and eat, or they want to come into my restaurant and eat, there's many different options available and nobody is forced to do any of these things and i believe that, you know, we need to rally around the small business owner, those restauranteurs and those people out there and encourage the public to dine in, take out, carry out, whatever they need to do and whatever they feel comfortable with in order to continue the employment of these people, and sometimes it's often a vulnerable type of staffing that is employed, too. you know, they don't have some big nest egg. the restaurant industry is not inherently filled with those that have, you know, a 401(k). and so it's important that they continue to work. david: by the way, forgive me, but it sounds as though you have a canadian accent. i'm just wondering if you're an immigrant to the united states from canada and if so, if you were hoping that this is--

there was more the land of opportunity, more opportunity here than when you came from? >> yes, sir, there is much opportunity in this country and we're experiencing and revelling and enjoying that and you know, i am 25% american, i guess, my grandmother i am greated. she was a buchanan and they live in the midwest and we have a long heritage and connection to this country and we are hoping to make our way and as this land and live that american dream that is available. david: chris, finally, let us name names. because a lot of these decisions, the governor cuomo said, you know, anybody who defies our orders is a dictator because they're defining what many of these decisions are not laws. they're not codifying by a legislator, they're edicts and isn't that the way to attack them in court? >> we will definitely make that

argument, i think, to a jury when it comes to it and frankly, you know, the kentucky legislature has not been in session since march. they're coming back january 5th and there's every indication there's going to be heck to pay to the governor for stuff he's been doing. david: by the way, we did put a call in to the kentucky governor and waiting to hear back and we haven't heard from him as of yet. and thank you, gentlemen, we wish you the very best. richard, hang in there, you've definitely got the entrepreneurial spirit, that's why you came here and why you deserve to have that business remain, certainly your employees deserve it as well. >> thank you. david: worried about taking that covid vaccine? how about a $1500 check if you take it? would that change your mind? meet the normal presidential candidate pushing for this shot in your arm and a shot in your wallet as well. would it work? we'll debate it coming up. students of color typically do not have access

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>> the former democratic presidential candidate john delaney wants to pay everyone to get vaccinated. give everyone $1500 for a shot in the arm. it would save lives and help with the pandemic. is it worth it? and with us is dan, and aaron gibbs, and everybody is kind of laughing at this, but this guy is serious about it. steve, i just think, you and i, steve, know that incentives matter in economics so i get the incentives, but if i'm afraid that a vaccine is going to kill me, $1500 is not going to convince me to take it, right? >> as i said last hour on the show, david, you know, the vraciu vaccine is economic

stimulus so we want the americans vaccinated from this terrible virus, but i don't think that we should be paying people to take it. for goodness takes, $1500 for 200, 300 million people? the cost of that would be so astronomical and the fact is, americans are rational and they can make their own decisions about this. some people will not take the vaccine, but i bet tens and tens of millions of people will do it and they don't need the government to pay them to do it. david: dan i was scratching figures out of my head. if 300 million americans are giving 1500 each for a vaccine i think that's about 450 billion dollars. i mean, you know, again, it's chump change compared to what they're willing to spend on the green new deal and the other stuff. it's just like throw money at a problem and it's going to fix it. that doesn't work. >> you're exactly right, david. the exact total here is for

everyone over 18 to get this vaccine under this $1500 incentive plan. it's 383 billion dollars, not that that kind of money matters to anybody in washington, but it's still ridiculous. now, you know where delaney got this idea from? he got it from india where in india they-- with the two shots, the first shot you got lentils, the second shot you got plates and they claimed that that increased the willingness of people to get the vaccine by six times. maybe it will work, but it doesn't resolve the issue of, $1500 oh, i'm not certain. maybe this is going to kill me. you know what? i don't ka care i'll still take the 1500. >> and there are disincentives for not taking it. and we're seeing european

nation taking vaccine standards, travel, you can't come into this area or travel unless you have on your passport a stamp that you had a vaccine. you can't get a job unless you have the same stamp. what do you think about the disincentives for not taking a shot? >> so, certainly, we've already discussed the pertinent players even in the united states could potentially require workers to take this vaccine. so, i think that that is used in combination of carrot and sticks. but i think the $1500 misses the point that right now most polls that a little over the half the americans are willing to take the vaccine. we really need to target, how do we convert that 25% of the population over 18 to -- and so when you look at the people that are most hesitant, it typically is more within

minorities, so it might be carrots within tax breaks, but not necessarily cash. other ways to get around it to address those most needy and hesitant. david: and what other nations are threatening, the uglier side is getting sick and dying, but we've seen the ugly policy of authoritarian instinct out of a lot of public leaders, what you can and cannot do a lot of them not based on science, a lot of them flying in the face of science, in terms of outdoor dining and lockdowns, how much harm that can cause. isn't that part of the problem the people who want to give the vaccinations are having, there's been so much abuse of science on the part of public officials, it's making it difficult to -- it's going to make it difficult to get the

vaccine around? >> well said, david. i agree with that. i think americans are skeptical of what, quote, the science is because what's happened is science has become so politicized, right? i mean, science today has become whatever study the left wants, it confirms their beliefs and you see that by the way with lockdowns, you're exactly right. one lesson we've learned pretty firmly the last nine, 10 months lockdowns haven't really made much of a difference at all in terms of the violence. and stats that locked down -- i listened to your interview, all of these restaurants shut down and stores, millions of people being laid off again, that isn't science, that's public policy. david: i feel when history looks back at the way that we behaved during this they're not going to speak very kindly of

public officials and contradicted their own orders or people within their own state. you see this feud between governor cuomo in new york and the mayor deblasio giving contradictory orders with regard to schools and et cetera and so many finger pointing and the way it was politicized particularly by the democrats who essentially were blaming president trump for a virus that came from china. >> historically we're going to look back at this and it's going to be a story line from something out of a twilight zone and as far as scaring people, you have to look at john delaney's party, it was the democrats who were planting that seed to scare people and that was fueled by the mainstream media. it's just the way it is. so, of course people are going to be skeptical whether this vaccine is going to work because it's the quote, unquote, trump vaccine. forget the fact that we're going to be giving this to our

frontline workers first and foremost to make sure they're safe. so, it's good enough to protect them, why wouldn't it protect the public in general? look, we need a campaign going the other way from the mainstream media. david: it's hard to predict what historians are going to say, but i have a feeling that operation warp speed is going to go down well in history certainly a lot better than public policy officials who are now taking credit for the great actions which i don't think that history is going to record as that great. have a good weekend all. thank you very much. thanksgiving turkey not the only thing pardoned this week and he pardoned his former national security advisor michael flynn and the move is ruffling the feathers of a lot of democrats. was this the right move? could more pardons be coming?

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>> and you're looking live at philadelphia, pennsylvania, where the election legal challenges continue. trump campaign lawyers now indicating they will go to the supreme court to appeal a court decisiondy missing their case in pennsylvania. kevin corke is in d.c. with the latest on this. hi, kevin. >> david, you're right the judge says you can call it unfair, but there has to be specif specif specifics, and if you talk to trump campaign officials, that's where they expected it to end up at some point.

listen to what kayleigh mcenany had to say. >> it's an equal protection argument the one we've been making in court, it says if you were in the seven blue counties in pennsylvania you were given an extraordinary opportunity to fix your mail-in ballot, to cure your ballot. if you were in the other 60 mainly republican counties you can't get that privilege. that's an equal protection violation. >> so that's what kale leigh mcenany said earlier. and we know that republican lawmakers in the commonwealth of pennsylvania have introduced an a resolution to dispute the 2020 election results and recognizes substantial irregularities and impropriet

improprieti improprieties, and i just point out this last week was a busy one not just for the trump administration, but also for the transition team. i can tell you this about the president, he did raise a few eyebrows by finally granting a pardon to his former national security advisor michael flynn and i think, advisedly, you'll keep in mind that the doj wanted to drop the charges and had this case summarily dismissed and the judge, emmett sullivan added hurdles along the way so finally the president did pardon his former national security advisor. david: thanks for i can ma -- thanks for making the transition to our next segment, calling michael flynn corrupt and abuse of power. and they say the what the fbi did was abuse of power. who is right? and playing it right down the middle, jim, great to see you,

thank you for being here. let's start with what i call the entrapment of general flynn. i was looking for a perjury trap with him and extraordinary misconduct by the fbi, a lot of which was discovered by general flynn's relatively new attorney, sidney pallow, gotten into the news, but she uncovered a hornet's nest, didn't she? >> she did. she took an aggressive approach and in the beginning i wasn't sure how that was going to play out. most the time when a defendant in federal court tries it withdraw a guilty plea it fails and fails miserably, you don't only lose the motion, but penalized under the guidelines and turns out to be a bad moment. i was jaded where this was going to go. it turns out most of her accusations are spot on. if you read the motion to dismiss, it lays out a tale of misconduct to the fbi and

carries through to the case with judge sullivan. and she was right and released her kraken in the case of the doj. david: the doj that you just mentioned wanted to wait, they didn't want a pardon, they wanted a court dismissal, they thought such strong evidence part of which was brought out by sydney powell. and the president didn't want to wait on a judge, particularly a judge so critical to general flynn's argument in the past. who was right here? was the doj right, should we have waited longer or the president right to pull the plug and say i'm not going to wait on a court system i don't trust anymore? >> i think they're both a little right. it's kind of unknowable. this motion was filed six and a half months ago and usually the motion to dismiss lives the judge in a ministerial road,

and stamp it, and they make that clearwell. so this was a crazy situation. a couple of months ago, judge sullivan was questioning sydney powell in one of the many court proceedings and said have you talked to the white house about a pardon? i think that was a tell. if i don't have to dismiss this case i'm going to dig in itten wait it out. we had the standoff that ensued and i think the president finally got tired of the game. i'm going to pardon now. david: i think you're right. meanwhile, the election challenges going on right now. and the pennsylvania decision is going to go to the supreme court, that augered against the president. what is the supreme court going to hear specifically is this what arguments will they hear from the president's attorneys? >> kayleigh mentioned the equal, how it's sent out and violates the equal process. but they said it's not the secretary of state it's the

about the counties, there are a variety of procedural obstacles. >> i have to tell i think the shift in pennsylvania, i think we should shift our attention to the case by filed by congressman kelly and others and got traction with the state judge issuing a preliminary injunction that says there's a likelihood of success on the merits, the have he fine area, kind of clean state constitutional question whether they could change the rules on absentee ballots. i think that one is on a fast track now being appealed by the democrats to the state supreme court and that could be a powerful moment. keep your eyes on that one and on the georgia federal case. david: the georgia case, that's the kraken suit, am i right? a lot of people have been focused on pennsylvania. >> well, kraken is a mythological-- no, i won't do kraken, the suit, a complaint filed by sydney powell on behalf of various individuals who claim their votes are deprived. it's everything. dominion talking about the

software issue, it's talking about absentee ballot fraud, about crisp, clean ballots showing up that don't like like they could of been in the mail. it's got every kind of fraud allegation you can imagine of a magnitude where if it's believed it can make a difference in the election and georgia has an electoral challenge law that's kind of friendly to the plaintiff. it says if it affects the outcome or casts substantial doubt, i think the phrasing is on the outcome. so, this is a well-pled document, it's got a lot in it and i would say watch with unthing about the question, state farm marina whether they shut down for a fake water leak. she's trying to get the judge to order security footage and if that shows up, that could be a-- >> yeah, well, 74 million voted for donald trump and a lo the of them feel cheated and

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>> well, time is running out for congress to pass another stimulus bill as millions of americans, i call it relief bill. millions of americans are set

to lose jobless benefits by the end of the year. this as thousands of california inmates are charged with filing fraudulent claims for the relief bill including scott peterson. should lawmakers be careful with the next round of relief. joining us, kelly highman and lauren, what is holding unthe relief? >> well, what's holding up the relief right now is nancy pelosi's insistence that we have a much larger package than what the secretary-- the treasury secretary or mitch mcconnell in the senate think is needed for the next round of relief and frankly holding up before the election and that she didn't want donald trump to have a win. and mitch mcconnell indicated a smaller, more targeted program that would use existing funds

allocated and haven't been distributed yet and much more targeted unemployment relief and he thinks would make the most impact on americans lives as we get through the virus before the vaccine can be distributed. david: what's wrong with this breaking this multi-trillion dollar thing up into pieces that everybody can agree on like extending ppp for the small business owners. >> it's important for us to help the american people. we have to remember that the heroes bill was passed in the house of representative in may, but rather the senate, rather than focus on that, they were more concerned pushing through a nomination to the supreme court where people were struggling personally, professionally and family and so-- >> well, no, it wasn't that. it was that they disagreed with the amount of money and where it was going that not all was going for covid relieve. that's the reason na the republicans balked at the initial offering by democrats. >> well, we can agree to disagree, you know. i think it's important to help the american people that are

struggling, and as i said before it passed through the house and the senate should have passed something to help people, because people, you know, are struggling. david: you didn't answer my initial question, why not just focus on things everybody can agree on so that you can get the money out there as quick as possible, like an extension to ppp for small business? >> right, you know, i think it's important to help people, but i think it's important to have a complete package, and to make sure that they're okay, but absolutely, we should move forward to help people as soon as possible definitely and there should be some kind of agreement and work across party lines and help people, it shouldn't be political issue it should be helping people and as soon as we help people we should definitely do it, absolutely. david: now that the election is over, i mean, we can make maybe these deals to at least get out pieces that everybody agrees on. the problem though with these multi-trillion dollar plans, whenever the government spends a billion dollars let alone a

trillion dollars you're going to have waste, not just waste, but real abuse. when you hear stories about money going out to prisoners, money that's supposed to be going out to working americans, that bothers a lot of americans, including me, i don't want my taxpayer money going to the wrong place. >> yeah, i mean, the system in california where they weren't cross matching if people applying for aid were in prison is just atrocious. luckily 35 states have programs that actually flag that. it's not just the issue in california that we've seen with the fraud and the waste. anytime you have a government program, the government does not do this type of stuff very well, and we've seen over 145 million dollars get scammed out of the money that's been sent out. and that's just one estimate, i think from the ftc. the fbi is investigating claims

right now and the fraud is widespread if we're sending out money. especially if the treasure wants to send out blanket checks again which helped a lot of people. i'm not saying it shouldn't happen, but there needs to be more safeguards in place, they sent them out to people who weren't alive anymore and wrong addresses and the system, the distribution was horrible. what is going to impact people's lives? what's going to make the biggest difference in getting through these last couple of months? because we've seen unemployment claims pick up since the past couple of months because more lockdowns are taken in place and the relief measures in place like ppp expired so now is the time to revisit this. but instead of nancy pelosi's hero act that they put together in may, they focused on getting money to the states for election security issues and absentee ballots. they probably need to revisit that and look at what are the

distribution issues with the vaccine. david: kelly, that's the point. the situation has changed since the first heroes act came out. we now have the vaccines coming online and at least four or five of them. it's going to be a huge endeavor. we've never done anything like this before, but of course, never shut down the government like we did through covid. shouldn't we be refocusing on how to deal with the vaccine and get this country back to work 100%. >> absolutely. david: hold on a second, that's for kelly, go ahead, kelly. >> absolutely. i think you bring up a really good point. we need to tell people struggling, personally, professionally and family and definitely, you know, help them especially with the vaccine as well and make sure that people can get back to, would and they don't lose their homes, and they have food on their table. absolutely, we need to move this country forward. david: i think we can all agree on that kelly and lauren, thank you, appreciate it.

today is small business saturday and the local shop owners are counting on it more than ever to survive the pandemic restrictions. one of those entrepreneurs joining us live from her shop in texas. that's next.

>> well, today marks the 11th annual small business saturday and it's more important now than ever as small businesses struggle to stay afloat in the face of the pandemic and the restrictions trying to contain it. my next guest owns a store in austin, texas and is worried that many small businesses will not survive. and owner mary anne benson, kind of crazy kids. i believe you've been open more than 18 years, is that right? >> yes, it is. david: wow, tell me how business was doing before covid and now after the lockdowns. >> well, before covid i had, have still a loyal customer

base that i built through the years and business was pretty much status quo, but fine. then covid hit and everything changed. david: you have four employees, as i understand it. are they all out of work right now or what? >> not-- we were mandated closed to are three months and they're part-time workers and they came back working part-time again. not as many hours, my hours are shortened because of lack of traffic and now i have expanded again. david: so that is a problem. a lot of people, it's not just the fact that businesses are ordered to close and having trouble reopening, the customers aren't-- don't feel comfortable walking the streets as they used to so you probably don't have as many

walk-ins, right? >> that's correct. that's correct. when we reopened i might see one person each day although i attempted to do face-timing or curbside, anything that anyone needed or wanted to feel safe was not well-received at that point because many people in this area weren't ready to leave their home. david: now, did you apply for and receive ppp money, the paycheck protection program? >> i applied for the money. according to the formula, i thought i was going to get more than i did. i only got a tiny bit of money because i don't pay myself, i don't write myself a check. so live and learn, that was a big mistake because i got next to nothing. david: a lot of people, small businesses like your own, were labeled nonessential businesses

and -- but there's something that really grinds against the nature of the way america operates, to consider a business like yours that you survive on nonessential. does that bother you? >> oh, boy, did it ever. when i realized that target and walmart and the hardware store across the street, which has the full array of giftware and tiny little children's area, could be open because they either had groceries or hardware, and i was not able to, i was very upset about that because of that situation. and didn't understand why they didn't cordon off part of their stores. i called the mayor's office to request that request he. i did receive a call back and

that didn't change anything. david: by the way, your program is more with the local government and the state government. the two kids i just saw in the picture. i don't think they think your business is not essential. i believe that they believe-- at least you have three people there who think you're an essential business and i certainly think you're essential as well. mary anne, we wish you the very best. >> thank you. david: thank you for coming on, i appreciate it. >> thank you. david: thank you. coming up, why a semi truck from elon musk could change the way we all drive. we'll explain what we're talking about. that's coming next. ♪ we made usaa insurance for veterans like martin. when a hailstorm hit, he needed his insurance to get it done right, right away. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. usaa

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>> well, test la's semi truck

could be a game changer for the auto industry. elon musk says 620 miles on one charge. we'll talk about how this might effect the whole auto industry. how you doing, tom. >> how you doing, david. david: fine. and elon musk often follows through and he's the second richers person in the world now. 621 miles for a trucker is a full day's work, he could go the full day, the full shift. go to bed and plug his truck in, and when he wakes up his truck will be recharged for another full day. will that affect people's attitude in terms of what electrical is capable of doing? >> everything is correct. where is he going to plug his truck in? the infrastructure is not in

place yet. if you ask me, i think five years away. i'm a new car dealer and obviously, tesla is a threat to the marketplace. i have to tell you, listen, i think that this will go-- on the automobile side if he doesn't do this truck and be successful with this truck thing, i think the automobile side is on the roast. you have mercedes benz, bmw and lexis connelling out with ev's by the end of 2021. i'm not sure that tesla competes with them. they don't have the repair infrastructure, ne don't have the charging structures in place. a lot to do to stay in place. clearly he makes things bigger than they are, that's where he is, a salesman, if he can pull it off, i think it's amazing for the trucking business, i was in the bucking tris, the warehousing business and i understand it and i get it a lot of these trucks go cross country. you know, 621 mile range,

you've got to stop five times and charge your truck and you've got to have a place to do that. david: right. you talk about that problem and there's the problem what would happen to the country if we already see these rolling blackouts in california. >> yeah. david: because of the current demand, but if every american had an electric vehicle that they had to charge, that would put an enormous strain on our power grids. i don't know if the power grids could take it. >> yes, and listen, when people -- when you peel back the onion, listen, a great idea. i think it makes a lot of sense, i think we're five years away a minimum for the infrastructure to get up and rolling. >> i think it's pretty optimistic. >> in order to create eek trick you've got to furn fossil fuel. there are things out there the next big boom. it's just like technology. apple comes out with an iphone

and samsung comes out with a better way. and i think some things, hydro again fuel cell and technology building fork lifts and trucks that run on hydrogen. listen, i think it's a great idea and i think that he will get it up and running. the request he, how long is it going to take and where is the infrastructure to support it. >> the other thing we haven't begun to talk about, gavin newsom the governor of california declared in 15 years it will be illegal for folks like you to sell gas powered cars. >> that's correct. david: there's no way of telling what the world, let alone the united states is going to look like in 15 years, we may not have the power grid. we may not have the capacity to do what he wants to do, but they're changing the rules anyway. tom, it's a tough world to work out there, but you managed a handy profit out of doing it. good to see you. >> good to see you, too.

>> neil cavuto will be back on monday right here at 4 p.m. eastern time. you don't want to miss neil. cyber monday is expected to shatter all records. we'll see how they respond as they close out november. that's going to do it here.

>> the supreme court will be staying out of a contentious case justice samuel alito denying a petition last night saying the court will not intervene with in a dispute between the a louisiana governor and a pastor holding services despite the state's covid restrictions. welcome to america's news headquarters, i'm kristin fisher. leland: good to be with you, and flouting the restrictions in louisiana. i'm leland vittert. president trump could be looking to the