featuring all of these guys and more and to watch the directors cut, the longer unedited version you can go it to fox nation.com. that's enough for us modern warriors. have a great evening. ♪ mark: hello america i met mark levin and this is "life, liberty and levin". see this? this is my mostly peaceful protest. i'm sick and tired of this country being torn down and i'm sick and tired of hearing from people in the streets about how awful our history is. i'm sick and tired of pampered, multimillionaire athletes telling us about systemic raci racism. i'm sick and tired of the media

which just repeats the same propaganda as the left and so are millions and millions of you. we are hard-working americans we are good people we've gone all over the globe to protect people we have people all over the globe right now putting their life on the line to protect people of different religions, different races, liberty and i'm sick and tired of our flag being disrespected of the national anthem being disrespected, three members of my family fought in world war ii. three of them. they are my heroes, not collin kaepernick third rate quarterback. two members of my family served in the philadelphia police force and they're all gone now and they served honorably. i stand with the cops, not against the cops. i don't stand with anybody who is a racist or anybody who is a bad anything, whether lawyers or doctors or professors or teachers, whether media people or cops. this is a great society and of

perfect -- imperfect burst of society but a great society. this flag is my peaceful, mostly peaceful protest and that is why it sits right here and nobody will knock it off either. take a knee, now we're being told no, taking a knee has nothing to do with the military and nothing to do with the flag but don't hand me that. we are pulling down monuments whether or not they are part of the confederacy or part of the union. we are trashing monuments, abraham lincoln and washington and all the others and this is an attack on the core values and pitfalls of this society. nothing less and we, the people, need to stand up any to object to this because this doesn't represent the vast majority of americans. but it does represent the majority of the media and academia and students but not the rest of america. that is a fact. tonight what i decided to do is look at two areas that i think

are crucial. one is academia and the other is the media with two really outstanding scholars in the first gentleman i want to introduce you to, distinguished professor emeritus of german literature university california santa cruz, john ellis. he's written a magnificent book, the breakdown of higher education and could not be more timely. he's chairman of the california association of scholars and professor ellis, i want to welcome you and i want to read to the audience just to lay this out and throw it to you one of the paragraphs at the beginning of your first chapter of your outstanding book. you write, the assault on free expression in the public sphere is best recorded as a relatively superficial symptom of a much larger problems the need to be understood and dealt with before we will ever be able to restore genuinely respect for freedom of speech on our campuses. if tomorrow every campus in the nation were to start insuring the visiting speakers are never

again shouted down the underlying sickness of higher education would remain untouch untouched. we cannot understand the nature of the sickness until we ask why is free speech under risk and why do shutdowns and near riots now occur with such regularity and these questions lead to the broader subject of how higher education has been so thoroughly corrupted and diverted from its real purpose. this book came out this year but before the mostly peaceful protests in the riots that we've seen in the last couple of weeks. let me throw it to you. what exactly are you talking about that is taking place on our college campuses? >> well, what i'm talking about is the fact that the public sees the shutdowns in the near riots with regard to visiting speakers but it doesn't think about how that could happen or the reason it happens, of course, is you have students, largely doing it

in those cases but they are taught by radical professors so the real source of the problem is not the shout downs but the source of the problem is in the classrooms where those kids learn their contempt for our ideas that don't fit with what their professors are teaching them. forcing a seen a superficial symptom. the real problem is way behind-the-scenes in the classrooms and the public never sees this. mark: the faculty, it strikes me professor, if you disagree let me no, it's very incestuous when you have the faculty members hiring faculty members and then many are from the same universities and many with the same ideology and you can see today you have certain faculty members that don't fit in with a hard left ideology and are being pushed out of the universities and being boycotted by the students and under all kinds of pressure and threats so how did it come to be? how did it come to be there will be used to talk about academic freedom really doesn't exist and

we really have one ideological mindset at this point? >> well, you had a very long campaign of converting the universities into one party campuses. if you go back 50 years studied done by a commission of 1969 there were three left professors two to right of center professors. now, by the end of the century 1999 another study finds that ratio of three-two which is very mild and there were three-two and that's consistent with a healthy debate between the left and the right on campus but by the end of the century 1999 the study shows five-one so you've got a very great concentration building up and buy another five, six years later it's gone to eight-one and the current studies being done, now shows something like 13-one.

now, there is every reason to believe that that is getting more extreme all the time because one of the studies looks at the julia rank and that's the recent appointees and a system professors associate professors and found that the ratio there of left to right is 48-one. in other words, the hiring being done now is at the rate of about 50-one, not five-one or eight to one but you will wind up with a complete monoculture within a short time. now, everyone can see, anyone with the brain can see that's very unhealthy. cans have a serious debate about the issues of the day when one party is missing. what i find really, really strange about this is this -- everyone can see it's wrong and

unhealthy and no one does anything to stop it so campuses are full of people, professors, administrators who see this happening and they don't live lift a finger to stop they are progressing towards a complete one party campus. a one-party campus is a campus that is dysfunctional. mark: bernie sanders set everyone ought to go to college and i got to thinking why does he want everybody to go to college. is it because days are brainwashing mills? i think so. when i watch the so-called peaceful part of the mostly peaceful protests i see what appeared to me to be college students so probably college professors and probably members of the nat as far as i'm concerned since school is out and spit out for a very, very long time. what are these professors, as in aggregate, what are they teaching them about economics

and what are they teaching them about history? is it similar to "the new york times" project that america began in 1619 with slavery and that is in our dna and not a damn thing we can do about it? that the kind of indoctrination going on? >> it is indeed. i thank you can bet on the fact that most of the, almost insane left radical left ideas that are floating to the surface in the wider world now come ultimately from the campus and the campus is so far left and so irrational now and it's left that it is poisoning the culture. one profession after another is being essentially corrupted. mark: professor, i happen to know a few young people who are going to universities and one of them is a law student and one is a medical student and one is an undergraduate student and they

all told me if they don't keep their politics they are not necessarily conservative but they're not radical left and if they don't keep their politics to themselves they are literally shunned, literally shunned or worse and not invited to any events and, you know, it's just, we keep finding these institutions and there's no oversight and have massive endowments from corporations and nonprofit organizations and congress never looks at them, state legislators never look at them, and they have enormous costs as they keep expanding and getting bigger and bigger. there has to be some kind of oversight on this or some kind of competition, don't you think? >> well, that is the problem. academia is a very set in fashion driven place. a new politically correct folly arises on one campus it will spread to the other campuses. rapidly so you don't have

competition in the sense that you have a rational institution competing with an irrational institution. they all essentially adopt the same irrationality very quickly. restoring competition will be difficult thing to do precisely because the contagion spreads throughout the academia so rapidly. if you have a one-party campus that is by definition an irrational campus. you cannot have a one-party system that stays sane. my favorite to quote on is john stuart mill, he said, you will always need to have a healthy political state you will always need a party of order and stability on the one hand and a party of progress in a form on the other and then he said that

it's precisely the opposition of the one to the other that keeps each one of them within the bounds of reason and sanity. that strong language. what he's really saying is you take away one of those parties which is what you've done on university campuses and you take one party away from the other one goes insane for lack of a discipline of having to answer to the arguments of the other. that is where we are. we have a completely irrational campus. mark: >> if anything it is getting worse as the ratio of left to right professors increases and we reached a point now where even though there is still a few left most of them are intimidated and stay silent and you see if the occasional example of one that doesn't stay silent and he is usually made an example of which keeps the others quiet.

mark: we don't have academic freedom, we don't have free speech, taxpayers keep subsidizing this, parents keep subsidizing this and maybe taxpayers and parents should look at this. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ hark the pets instrumental this season, spoiling your pets has never been easier... when you use free same-day delivery at petsmart.com powered by doordash, or buy online and choose contactless curbside pickup. the season of spoiling is here. petsmart.

♪ mark: welcome back. professor ellis, before the break i was talking about, we seem to be subsidizing our own demise from within here, whether it is our federal and state tax dollars going into the different schools or parents paying tuition or even other people paying tuition and you send your kids into the schools and many come out quite differently ideologically. why do we keep doing this and is there something else we can do about it? >> you are right. part of the problem is old habits die hard. parents have a very fixed attitude derived from the past that sending their kids to college is first-rate way to launch them into life and a career. then there is the fact that the great names in institutions of higher learning at harvard, yale, columbia are magnificent

buildings and it's very, very impressive and it casts a spell over the public and they really cannot believe that what was so glorious is now, in fact, no longer that. there are some signs though the public is changing its attitude. there was a study done of the total number of kids in the higher education, nine years ago 2011 there were 20.5 million students in higher education. today that number is down to 17.5 million but if you are just for the increase in population that should be for there should have been again from 20.5 20.5-21.5 billion so there were four million students missing so

the public is becoming more skeptical. simple outline of the situation is this, parents, through tuition, students through the indebtedness they get to a life in college, donors and then state legislators all contribute vast sums of money between the higher education and they are not getting it. what's happening instead is large amount of that and not all of it by any means but a good chunk of that money and the majority of it is an involuntary campaign contribution to the radical left. the public casts to wake up and realize that it is pain lots of money to support something it doesn't want to support and state legislators need to get busy looking very seriously to whether these appropriations that they make funding higher

education, whether they're really supporting higher education or not. mark: of course, professor, if you dare to touch it they say you're attacking academic freedom but of course, this ideology is destroying. this ideology we are talking about and i will just lay it out. tell me whether you agree or disagree. if it is not flat out marxism it is some version of it. i mean, when i see the protesters in the street what they're talking about, you have to burn down what exists, everything that exists, the presence must go, history must go, pull down the statues, chisel out the names and then we will start new. that's like, that comes right of the communist manifesto. destroy the society that exists, the family, churches and every thing else start with a clean slate. is that what they are being taught? >> well, i'm afraid so. some of the professors doing this call themselves marxist and

probably something like a quarter of them, at least in some areas. the sociology, for example, certainly that is true but some preach what are essentially marxist ideas but would not call themselves marcus but call themselves socialists and say activists but the end result is certainly the majority opinion on campuses now is to remake the society into something it isn't. to abolish the current what they call capitalist system or intelligent people call it free market system and to remake it in the image that these radicals have. now, if you asked them what that image is you get vague replies because, in fact, once you describe the conditions in a socialist country they know very well that doesn't go over well. there is really an animus

against the way the country is and has been for some time. the radical left is seizing the opportunity now to press its case and it essentially has taken over the academic world. it is now boot camp for political radicalism. there is no longer a place that prepares children to confront the careers that are facing, the lives they are facing, the mental equipment to face new challenges and to analyze new situations, to respond to new challenges that they face. that's not happening. when a political activist tells you to get in line behind them and join the cause, higher education is stopped dead. there is no development of mental capacity involved in that. on the contrary, it is the other way around. political radical is telling you to stop thinking and just do as you are told. mark: professor, you know,

society cannot for survive very long when it's children and grandchildren are taught to hate it. they hate every bit of it. this is become ubiquitous, not only at universities and colleges, but in the media and hollywood and people live in the lap of luxury in the society, whatever their race, whatever their background who claim to be joining these revolutionary movements and it's almost chic and it is almost the cool thing to do. and so, but we are doing that and i think you'll agree, or losing the culture, the whole culture, the whole notion. do you agree with that? >> i'm afraid so. the academia is poisoning on professional after the other, totally poison journalism and poison the teaching in the high schools, high school teachers are trained on college campuses. the society needs to wake up and

decide whether it really wants to pay these vast sums of money to support this apparatus. now, one has to face the fact that the one-party campus is made precisely because those ideas don't stand up to challenge very well. if the radicals allowed a healthy debate on campus they would lose for it they always would lose. the only way they can actually win is by shutting out people with other ideas. that is what they are doing. mark: but the public -- >> the public has to throw off the spell created by the great names of columbia and harvard in the present is quite different. mark: yet, i agree. maybe great names like hillsdale, grove city and some of the others should be talking. professor ellis, fantastic book. the breakdown of higher education crucially important and i want to thank you for your

bravery coming on this program. god bless you. >> thank you for having me on. mark: up at 2:00am again? tonight, try pure zzzs all night. unlike other sleep aids, our extended release melatonin helps you sleep longer. and longer. zzzquil pure zzzs all night. fall asleep. stay asleep. - with the ninja foodito intelligesmart xl grill.ing just pick your protein, select your doneness, and let the grill monitor your food. it also turns into an air fryer. bring outdoor grilling flavors indoors with the grill that grills for you.

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the virus over the next few weeks. doctor kochi doesn't see relaxing of recommendations for social distancing. he also says it's not too late for people to start wearing a mask. joe biden has a hairline fracture in his right foot and will likely require a walking boot for a few weeks. the president-elect was injured playing with one of his dog saturday afternoon. he set to take the oath of office in just 52 days. i'm actually strohmeyer. back to life, liberty and levin. you are watching the most powerful name in news fox news channel. mark: welcome back. we've covered half of the problem, maybe more than half and as many parts of the problem

that is academia and the ubiquitous ideological brainwashing going on and how it affects the entirety of society. other half of this is the media. such as it is. there is nobody better, tim grose close is a professor of economics at george mason university, adam smith chair at the marquita center and has written a fantastic book and i even cited in my book, on freedom of the press called how liberal media bias distorts the american mind. and part here is what he says. what happens when our view of the world is filtered through the eyes, ears and minds of such a liberal group and he says as i demonstrate using social scientific method it prevents us from seeing the world as it actually is, instead we see only a distorted version of it. it is as if we seat the world through a glass, glass that magnifies the facts that liberals want us to see and shrinks the fact that conservatives want us to see.

he writes later perhaps we worst of all, media bias feeds on itself and that is the bias makes us more liberal which makes us less able to detect the bias which allows the media to get away with more bias which makes us even more liberal and so on and all this means that the political views that we currently see americans are not their natural abuse. we see only an artificial distorted version of those views. professor, welcome and let me suggest to you i would like your on this that it is worse now than ever, particularly given the fact that we have, trump as our president. do you agree? >> i agree completely, yes. this will point about tom cotton, remember when your times said no we can't run that op-ed and your member who protested? it wasn't the opinion writers of "the new york times" but the journalists and the news writers and the point in my book is that i ask a thought experiment suppose you read the contents from journalists and asked yourself the question what if instead of being or knowing it

was a new story, what if instead you thought it was a speech by a politician what would you guess is the ideology of that would be politician and one thing i found in my book and i said it's about all the mainstream media to the left but not quite as left as the mainstream democrat. but "the new york times" journalists did, i would argue, was even more left than what the average democrats in congress are doing. watch any time on c-span, whenever there is a major bill, nancy pelosi, sidney hoyer, when they introduce a bill the democrats will have to say two hours for debate and the first thing they will do is say i give half my time to the republicans. new york times journalists there was just beyond the pale for them to even think of giving any time to someone like tom cotton. i would argue "the new york times" journalists, although maybe when i wrote my book they acted not quite as left as the average democrat in congress but now they're acting even more

left than the average democrat in congress. mark: doesn't that underscore one of the points in your book which is itself a filling, self generating and it gets worse and worse and less in terms of diversity of viewpoints, less in terms of tolerance and much more ideological. >> yeah, i agree. people are getting their information from the mainstream media and have no idea what's going on on the other side. one anecdote on this. there is a scholar named john mcwhorter who is a professor at columbia university and i would call him something of a right leaning a moderate, african-american man and wrote about the police killings and said yeah, i'm not sure the police are racist but where are the names of the white people being killed and said i think there really is a problem and after he said that people sent in here are the white people

killed and he got this list and he said while, i did not know of this. because we only hear about the black people killed. sure enough, some of those reporting the statistics by the washington post, washington post gathered this database from 2015-2019 of all the police killings and looked at the numbers and white people had been killed, of all the police killings, about 50% are white and only about 25% are black but the news is incredibly disproportionate and we only see the black killings. your information only came from the mainstream media you would think only black people are being killed by the police when that is not the case at all so i would argue one more example of how the media -. mark: let me interrupt you and let the statistics also show is that police are not running around killing people so we need to be clear about that because this movement talking about

disbanding police and the people running around killing people are the people in the streets and people in neighborhoods and people and communities running around killing people as a matter of fact but the police are not running around killing people and back to your book, we have this false reality fed to us each and every day, congress acts on it and can't act fast enough and they want to create new holidays and they want to nationalize local policing in the fact that these cities are run by hard-core left-wing democrats for many of these states are, as well, and they take no response ability for it whatsoever so how does the average person out there get factual information? they're not getting it from so-called newsrooms in this country. >> that is part of my book is to give numbers. to say this is the extent to which this media outlet or this is the extent to which it is

rightward and about numbers on this. lots of people say if you watch fox news balance it out with msnbc. part of the point in my book is that it is not quite true and at least is limited in debate i have but i analyze only one fox news show and this is special report at the time and i found that yes that show was right leaning in that it had, if anything a conservative bias but it's conservative bias was less, something about half of the liberal bias of the mainstream media so to put numbers on this, i found new york times was about 25 points bias to the left whereas special report was only about eight points bias to the right so if you wanted a balanced set of news what it means is you would have to watch special report about three times and devote three times as many

minutes to the special report edgewood to "the new york times" if you wanted to get a perfect balance version of the news. mark: when we come back my question to you is this, that is "the new york times", cnn, msnbc and to me, i don't break it down the way you do with your models but it is a never ending drumbeat. we'll see if you agree with me on that. we'll be right back. wow, i wish i could get a deal on a smartphone, but i'm not a new customer. well, actually now, new and existing customers can get our best smartphone deal. it's historic. that is historic. which means... i'm making history, right? yea, i don't know if i'd exactly sa- wow. me, dave brown. existing customer who got the greatest deal in history. just like every other customer gets... oh that's cool too. it's not complicated. at&t is making history. everyone gets our best smartphone deals.

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or bad, trump helped expose it. i think it used to be that the mainstream media would say no, were balanced but after trump they would say no, no, of course we are not balanced. we have to oppose trump and that is what we should do and that is the proper and moral thing to do. at least now they admitted. mark: what about this diversity in newsrooms? i don't see a hell of a lot and i mean, i can't name or i can name a bunch of left-wing hosts and big time contributors and basically what i see when it comes to some of these networks is have a dancing conservative go across the stage every now and then but that is just it and just for show and what can be done about this? these are private corporations? >> yeah, what can be done? that is a hard one. the diversity isn't there and that is true. the best statistics, it's the

newsroom national media has anything to do with politics it will be about 93-seven and that is what the surveys say, the journalists if you asked them how they voted 93% of the democrat and only 7% republican and i think that 7% is a little artificially high and i explained it in my book. if journalists are lying, even a small degree to the survey and to the posters that 7% will be too high and if you look at campaign contributions the number is two or 3% so newsroom is only about 3% people vote republican and here is how high that or how low that number is. here is one example. if you watch the view on abc and you watch the five. mark: i don't but go ahead. >> okay, on the butte left mark one conservative and it is so

unfair when you watch the debate and i can't stand to watch it. those numbers are four-one and to get what actually would be the mainstream newsroom it would be more like 12: one. take the view and take all those for liberals and clone them two times so you get 12 liberals versus that one megan mccain and that would be what a typical newsroom would be like and if i am right about the 7% number is exaggerated more like 40-one so in a newsroom it's overwhelmingly left. what can be done about it? i'm not sure except, i think, people are on to it. i think the average voter no longer thinks "the new york times" is the paper of record in that it is fair and balanced. i think they realize it is the

voice of the left and i think because of this there is other factors in the news industry and i think these mainstream outlets are just going to start dying off. it will take a long time and i calculated the half life of journalists out of mainstream newsrooms is something like 15, 20 years. so you go out 15 years in the near times will have only half its journalists, 30 a quarter and so on. it will gradually, gradually wither away but i think it will be here for a while and i don't quite have any answer what to do about it except maybe make people aware of the bias and then at least then moderate voters and conservatives will say yeah, there is a bias to e-uppercase-letter's we can discount it like i can know that they are not telling me the whole truth. i think that's the best we can do. mark: when we come back, my question, professor is this, do we have a free press in america?

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mark: welcome back professor groseclose. do we have a free press in this country? >> in the strictest sense, yes. i don't think government is quite getting involved but there is a self censorship, mob censorship and i'm not and i never would have imagined a nongovernment entity could do this and if you are a conservative, the poor bret stevens, i'm sure they are -- the peer pressure on them has squelch their views and not report the whole truth is just amazing and i feel it in academia and i see it and there is some things you just won't daresay. professor at the university of chicago just lost his job or at least was getting pressure to quit as the editor of the journal basically, all he did was wrote a tweet criticizing a sickly only sane he was against

black lives matter and there was a mob that was and i will not say it career will be over but it will be heard. everyone understands us and everyone is walking on pins and needles paid i have a feeling in journalism same with the mainstream press. given that yes, there is no freedom of the press and the one hope are things like talk radio and we saw fox news and there still are a few outlets out there and i used to say that the internet and social media will be the savior but i think the andrew breitbart was saying things like that but i am very skeptical about twitter. i am on twitter and sometimes i will write tweets and then is something fishy is going on for it i will look out my tweets and search engine and i can't find them and i talk to other

conservatives and same thing is happening. there's talk of shadow banning is something weird is going on at twitter. i think something facebook, google, something similar is going on. given that, the social media is not allowing this to have a free press. even though strictly speaking the government is not cracking down the other forces which i would not have imagined 20 years ago and i think it is we are in a sad situation. mark: i think the radical progressives or i call them [inaudible] had done a hell of a job devouring academia and devouring the media for which academia calms and when you look at journalists schools and professors people come to mind like jay rosen and that whole breed of thinking that is your social activists and you need to advance a cause, john dewey 100 years ago same thing. change education, media to advance a social agenda and so forth. it has taken hold in this

country in a big, big way. these institutions of higher education, academic freedom, a very little academic freedom and very little free speech and you expect the media, rather than joining in in the attack on the covington students and so forth and standing up for free speech and standing up for civil liberty, they don't do it. when you look at the russia collusion that took place and when you have the fbi going into a campaign and when you have other things going on rather than reporting on it they are participating in it. this is why i say we don't have a free press. of course, we have a free press and that the government is not slapping down media organizations although obama did that and fdr did that and woodrow wilson did that but no, we have is the complete lack of, in my view, a professionalism and diversity of points and what the founders had in mind when we got our first amendment in the first place. professor groseclose, i want to thank you very close your excellent book, left turn but i want to strongly recommend people take a look at it.

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♪ mark: welcome back. i want to remind you because it needs reminding that america is a great country and americans are a great people. it is we who defeated the third reich and we who defeated tojo and it is we who defeated the soviet union and it is we who are a beacon for liberty all around the world and there is a reason why people around the world want to come to this country and people of color want to come to this country. people have been abused and their cultures all over the world and they want to come here for a reason. if we are systemically racist that the police are systemically beating up people and if we are this horrible country that we

are being told day in and day out from the left then why do people want to come here? the hard left it as a counter revolution against this country and they have a political party that is the vessel through which they operate, the democratic party, anti- americanism, whether during the civil war between the civil war and the 1960s and today can be found mostly where? i'm telling you the truth, in the democratic party but democratic party is the counterrevolutionary party against the american revolution. we should embrace our liberty and we should embrace our constitution because that is what stands between us and tyranny. i don't give a damn what football players and nba players have to say or the commissioners. i don't give a damn what overpaid media personalities at cnn have to say about it either. i sure as hell don't give a damn about presidential candidate who sits in his basement all day like he's in a padded cell pushing out statements left and right that suddenly you and i are supposed to genuflect to.

this is a great country, we know it, never forget it. push back. i will see you next time on "life, liberty and levin". ♪ will ♪ ♪. steve: light tonight reaction from president trump first interview since the election. >> this election was rigged. this election was a total fraud and it continues to be as they hide prayed the problem we have as we go to judges and the people don't want to get involved. steve: much more from the interview straight ahead and breaking tonight widens foot, he fractured it while playing with his dog. apparently he will need a walking boot for seven weeks but president trump's reaction is he just tweeted -- get well soon, joe.